<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Caro,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>MLU is supposed to be used with %mor tier. If you are running MLU on just speaker tier, then you will get fewer morpheme counts than if you had %mor tiers in the file, because morphemes are identified by special symbols on %mor tier only. I will change MLU to not ignore [+ mlue] post-code when running MLU on speaker tier.<br class=""><div class="">
<br class=""><br class="">Leonid.
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 1, 2019, at 08:37, Rowland, Caroline <<a href="mailto:Caroline.Rowland@mpi.nl" class="">Caroline.Rowland@mpi.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hi Leonid and Brian,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We’ve tried using [+ mlue] postcodes on the mainline (see attached for sample test file) and it doesn’t seem to be excluding the utterances automatically. Note that we don’t have a %mor line so we are using simply:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">mlu –t%mor *.cha<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Note also that we are transcribing in ELAN (for various reasons) and converting to CHAT using the ELAN<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">export to chat</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>command, so the attached file is a conversion from an eaf file.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Caro<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Leonid Spektor<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 January 2019 01:22<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'heba salama' via chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>McLaughlin, Paula <<a href="mailto:Paula.Mclaughlin@liverpool.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Paula.Mclaughlin@liverpool.ac.uk</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Marking addressee and excluding from MLU counts</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Caro,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> If you want to exclude utterance and its dependent tiers, then it is best to use post-codes. For example, instead of </span><span style="color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class="">%add: SIB<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="" class="">dependent tier specify post-code<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 38, 0);" class="">[+ sib]</span><span style="" class=""> on the main speaker tier. If you want to always exclude utterance from MLU, then specify post-code </span><span style="color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class="">[+ mlue]</span><span style="" class="">. The advantage of using this post-code is that it will effect results of MLU, KIDEVAL and few other CLAN commands automatically without you having to specify anything on the command line. If you choose to use your own post-code, then on command line you need to add option<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 38, 0);" class="">-s"[+ sib]"</span><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to exclude utterances with that post-code from any CLAN analyses.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Leonid.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:27, Rowland, Caroline <<a href="mailto:crowland@liverpool.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">crowland@liverpool.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi all,</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We want to both transcribe utterances addressed to siblings of the target child but also to sometimes exclude them from MLU counts. This is because sometimes we will want a measure of how much CDS a particular adult is using (no matter the addressee) and sometimes we will want a measure of how much CDS is addressed to a particular target_child.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Normally we would mark utterances addressed to a non-target child (e.g. a sibling) using a dependent tier; e.g.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">*MOT: what do you want?</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">%add: SIB</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If we transcribe like this, is there then an easy way to then exclude these utterances from an MLU count; or indeed from any other CLAN command?</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Or do we need to use a different notation?</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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