<div dir="ltr">Hi Dr. Ratner and Leonid,<div><br></div><div>Thanks so much for your input! I'm going to listen to these files again and see if I can get FLUCALC to work after another sweep. I will let you know if I have any other questions.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Chelsea</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:40 PM Nan Bernstein Ratner <<a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu">nratner@umd.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Chelsea, from what I can see, it is POSSIBLE that this utterance is best parsed into smaller units. Certainly the last phrase fulfills some definitions as its own utterance, structurally (it's a "sentence" in its own right), but utterances usually have more complex determinants. Criteria vary, but we tend to use "2 out of 3" set of criteria to potentially separate long turns like this into shorter utterances: is there a final contour to some phrases in the middle of this run, are there silences or respiratory intakes, and does something stand as a grammatical "sentence" or phrase. Only 2 need apply for us to segment something like this into smaller units. These sorts of determinations are important for other reasons, since so many kid language measures are proportioned over utterances, such as MLU, IPSYN, DSS, etc. If some transcribers are making "maximal" decisions about where utterances end, and others are more conservative, you will wind up with some very variable estimates of language, not just fluency.<div><br><div>It would be impossible to know if any part of this qualified to be divided out without the audio. If you wanted to share a clip with me privately, I might be able to provide some guidance.</div><div><br></div><div>I can definitely see a situation where, if a speaker were sufficiently disfluent, and each disfluency counts as a word as well as the actual words, that setting a limit of 50 per utterance COULD run up against some problems. But the current limit is an attempt to prevent people from placing turns, rather than utterances, on speaker tiers, since so many language variables proportion over utterances, not turns.</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>N</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-7789515571612475706gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, ABCLD</div><div>Professor</div><div>Hearing and Speech Sciences</div><div>University of Maryland</div><div>0100 Lefrak Hall</div><div>College Park, MD 20742</div><div><a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" target="_blank">nratner@umd.edu</a>, 301-405-4217</div><div><br></div><div>Co-director: FluencyBank (<font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://www.fluency.talkbank.org" target="_blank">www.fluency.talkbank.org</a></font>); <a href="http://languagefluency.umd.edu/" target="_blank">http://languagefluency.umd.edu/</a> </div><div><br></div><div>President, International Fluency Association (IFA; <a href="http://theifa.org" target="_blank">http://theifa.org</a>)</div><div>Director, University of Maryland Autism Research Consortium (UMARC), <a href="http://www.autism.umd.edu" target="_blank">www.autism.umd.edu</a></div><div>Faculty, Language Science (<a href="http://languagescience.umd.edu" target="_blank">languagescience.umd.edu</a>; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, <a href="http://nacs.umd.edu" target="_blank">nacs.umd.edu</a>), Developmental Science Field Committee</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan" target="_blank">http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan</a> </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/myncbi/1-UVaaDdREZ/bibliography/40436718/public/?sort=date&direction=ascending" target="_blank">My PubMed Bibliography</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM C Johnson <<a href="mailto:john3290@msu.edu" target="_blank">john3290@msu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Leonid,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your quick response! The error message that was cut off indicated that the utterance was more than 50 words. I have attached another screenshot here. </div><div><br></div><div>The error that keeps popping up often gives examples of utterances with multiple revisions or phrase repetitions as examples if the program does not force me to quit altogether. The content of the utterances which is not repeated seems to be under 50 words. I've attached another screenshot with an example.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Chelsea</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:39 PM Leonid Spektor <<a href="mailto:spektor@andrew.cmu.edu" target="_blank">spektor@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi CJ,<div><br></div><div>The screenshot that you attached to your email is cut short. The actual error message is at the bottom of Clan Output window. The dialog box just lets you read the message before CLAN quits automatically. I can't see the error message, so I can't help with it.</div><div><br></div><div>The 50 words limit can not be overwritten. If your file has exceeded that limit, then it likely wasn't transcribed correctly. FLUCALC shows the utterance that has exceeded that limit and should be changed in some way to make it shorter. Perhaps it can be broken up into two. If you think that this line is correct, then please email it or the file it is in to us and we will see if maybe the 50 words limit should be increased. <br><br><div id="gmail-m_-7789515571612475706gmail-m_1604804840613212513gmail-m_7927144264293746104AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Leonid~</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:51, C J <<a href="mailto:cjohn3290@gmail.com" target="_blank">cjohn3290@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I have been attempting to run FLUCALC on a mac with the newest CLAN and most recent version of OS. Is there a way to override the error that doesn't let FLUCALC run on a file with utterances longer than 50 words? Anytime I include one of these files, the FLUCALC file is 0 bytes and empty, and I get an error in CLAN. Sometimes, CLAN also gives me the error message (attached as screenshot) and forces me to close the program. </div>
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