<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Brenda, </div><div><br></div><div>We've developed it on our own, but we are still working on data from it. It sounds like you have different questions in mind than we do, but just thought we'd share so you can get a sense of how we're using the CHAT conventions for our analyses with CLAN. Feel free to email me if you have any questions (<a href="mailto:janet.bang@sjsu.edu">janet.bang@sjsu.edu</a>). </div><div><br></div><div>Sure I'd be happy to stay in touch. Good luck!</div><div>Janet</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 8:25 AM Brenda Beverly <<a href="mailto:bbeverly@southalabama.edu">bbeverly@southalabama.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Janet, <div><br><div>Thank you for sharing your ideas and example rules/utterances. We have struggled with similar decisions. My doctoral student and I initially considered the mother's engagement strategies to be "extra-textual" or not part of the read story. But, as you indicated, we have moms who are using choral reading with the child for text that has been rehearsed/practiced. That's an engagement strategy using the text, not extra-textual. We also entertained the possibility that some moms would paraphrase the story or skip words/text. We haven't seen that, but it may be because our moms are reading to their 4 year olds. I know I skip/modify text when I'm reading to infants and toddlers. </div><div><br></div><div>I am hesitant to share our coding (i.e., all of the engagement strategies) - simply because we are still refining it for the study's purposes so it looks a bit messy to me. I would be happy to do share as we move forward. Should we be in touch via email in the future to share our coding systems and rules? Are you developing your own and is it published? Or, have you modified from another's work? This line of investigation is relatively new for me and it is led by my doctoral student, Yingshan Huang, from the Fujian University of Traditional Chinese Medicine in Fuzhou, China. She and I will consult about your examples. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank you again. </div><div>Brenda</div><div><br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 12:58:19 PM UTC-5 Janet wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Brenda, <div><br></div><div>Adding onto Leonid's suggestions about postcodes, which we found helpful for a similar purpose. Here are some guidelines that we've been using regarding booksharing where in our study we were trying to distinguish when caregivers are reading from the book directly (we refer to as 'recited' speech) or include a mix of recited and spontaneous speech (we refer to as "recited mixed" speech). Any utterances without a postcode we consider their spontaneous and natural speech, and this has been working out ok for us when we want to extract different portions so far. Our decision to distinguish "recited" from "recited mix" was more for descriptive purposes, than for our primary research questions, where we just combine both when we consider reading passages.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Our postcodes:</div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">[+ recit] means they are reciting the text</div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">[+ rmix] means that they are mixing the text with their own deviations from the text or adding to the text</div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Recited utterances: [+ recit]</span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Acceptable words for recited speech include speech that is ‘starting’ an utterance to get the child’s attention. In the example below, “look it says” is not part of the text, but is starting the utterance.</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> *MOT: look it says Thomas_the_Train went round and round. [+ recit]</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">The following are still accepted as recited:</span></p><ul style="margin-bottom:0in"><li><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">If the caregiver reads parts of the recited text and skips around the page, but every word is said as it is written, then give this a recited code.</span></li><li><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Changing “that” for “which” or vice versa is acceptable and not enough for a rmix postcode.</span></li><li><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Contractions or vice versa are acceptable as recited because these do not change the meaning (e.g., the text is “I will be back said the dog” and the caregiver says “I’ll be back said the dog”, or vice versa.)</span></li><li><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Changing the order of words (e.g., white fluffy feathers to fluffy white feathers)</span></li></ul><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Recited mixed utterances: [+ rmix]</span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Any words that are omitted, added or changed within the text should get the [+ rmix] postcode. For example, the text is “and King said he was so happy to see his friends”.</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Omitted “so”:</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> *MOT: and King said he was happy to see his friends [+ rmix]</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Added language:</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> *MOT: and King said he was so happy to see his <b>good</b> friends [+ rmix]<b></b></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Changed language: this includes articles (e.g., a vs. the)</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> *MOT: and King said he was so happy to see his <b>friend</b> [+ rmix]<b></b></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> We also count translations of the recited text (this counts for ‘live’ translations, where</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">the caregiver has a book in one language in front of them that does not have the translated text, so instead is translating it as they read). We will count this here because this language is no longer spontaneous, since what to say is dictated by the text available.</span></p></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:33 AM Brenda Beverly <<a rel="nofollow">bbev...@southalabama.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Leonid:<div>Thank you so much for this timely and detailed response to my questions. I am excited to use these suggestions to move forward in a way that will support our research. I cannot thank you enough. </div><div>all the best, </div><div>Brenda</div><div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 12:31:52 PM UTC-5 Leonid Spektor wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Brenda,<div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I can give you my suggestions, but these are definitely not the only choices that you have. Maybe someone else would have better ideas.</div><div><br></div><div>1., 2. The post-codes are best way to identify specific utterances from a larger group of utterances. So, for example, if you have <font color="#0433ff">*MOT-ET:</font> speaker code for extra-textual talk and <font color="#0433ff">*MOR-RE:</font> speaker code for mother reading, then you would have <font color="#0433ff">@Participants: MOT Mother </font>header tier to identify one Mother speaker. This way you have only one speaker with different tiers based on what those tiers represent. This way you can use FREQ command to locate just that speaker with the command <font color="#ff2600">freq +t*MOT</font> if you want separate results, or <span style="color:rgb(255,38,0)">freq +t*MOT-RE</span> for just mother reading, or command <font color="#ff2600">freq +t*MOT +o3</font> if you want combined result for all mother's utterances.</div><div><br></div><div>The post-codes are the best way to tag utterances, because they will allow you to find other dependent tiers along with speaker tiers. For example, if you have utterances:</div><div><br></div><div><div><font color="#0433ff">*MOT-ET:<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>extra textual talk [+ CR] .</font></div><div><font color="#0433ff">%mor:<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>adj|extra adj|textual n|talk .</font></div><div><font color="#0433ff">%gra:<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1|3|MOD 2|3|MOD 3|0|INCROOT 4|3|PUNCT</font></div><div><br></div><div>and you want to run analyzes on %mor: tier with post-code [+ CR], then you would use command <font color="#ff2600">freq +s"[+ CR]" +t%mor</font> or if you want only mother's extra-textual talk utterances with post-code [+ CR], then use command <font color="#ff2600">freq </font><span style="color:rgb(255,38,0)">+t*MOT-ET </span><font color="#ff2600">+s"[+ CR]" +t%mor</font>.</div><div><br></div><div>If you use dependent tiers for coding, then it would be more difficult to associate those codes with other tiers of that speaker. It can be done, but it would require two commands 1. KWAL to extract only utterances with that code on dependent tier and next FREQ command to run analyses on those extracted tiers.</div><div><br></div><div>If you only want to count codes on specific dependent tiers, then using dependent tiers like <font color="#0433ff">%xett : $AK</font> will work. Notice, the dependent tier would have to start with 'x' or it will not pass CHECK command.</div><div><br></div><div>3. The command that you have <font color="#ff2600">freq @ +t*MOT +s"<+ AK>"</font> is best to count number of occurrences of actual codes. If you want to run analyzes on the words used by the speaker, then you would use command <font color="#ff2600">freq @ +t*MOT +s"[+ AK]"</font>. This can be combined with other dependent tiers associated with that speaker tier. For example, command <font color="#ff2600">freq +s"[+ </font><span style="color:rgb(255,38,0)">AK</span><font color="#ff2600">]" +t%mor</font> will analyze words on %mor tier.</div><div><br></div><div>4. If you mean to run FREQ on multiple files to get separate results for each file, the you could use <font color="#ff2600">*.cha</font> or "<font color="#ff2600">File In</font>" button in Commands window. If you want to get combined results for multiple files, then add <font color="#ff2600">+u</font> option to the command line.</div><div><br></div><div><br>Leonid.
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