<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Correct. Moreover we have no comparison fluency data set for other languages, although there might be some eventually for Dutch. Supporting fluency analysis for Chinese would be a great thing for fluency research, but it would be a big project, hopefully supported by grants from China.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have to add that FLUCALC will not work correctly no matter what option you choose, because it was designed to work for English language only.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:51, Brian Macwhinney <<a href="mailto:macw@andrew.cmu.edu" class="">macw@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Peitzu,<div class=""> I am not recommending replacing the main line with thhe %ort line, but rather adding the %ort line with Pinyin to support disfluency coding. There is software that can do automatic recoding of Hanzi to Pinyin. I could discuss that with you separately, if you decide to go that way.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Pei-Tzu Tsai <<a href="mailto:peitzu.tsai@sjsu.edu" class="">peitzu.tsai@sjsu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Thank you, Brian. I'm guessing the first option would then prevent flucalc from identifying the disfluencies since the coding is replaced. Please advise if there is a way around it. If we go with converting all samples to pinyin entirely, using the segmenter/translater command that runs in the terminal, is there any way we can at the same time convert the characters from the main tier to the %ort tier? <div class="">Peitzu<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 9:14:10 AM UTC-7 macw wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Peitzu,
<br class=""> There are two ways to do this. If you just want to do this occasionally for one or two words, you can use the form
<br class="">↫g↫gou3 [: 狗]
<br class="">then MOR will ignore the ↫g↫gou3 and only make use of 狗.
<br class=""> Alternatively, if you want to study phonology systematically, you can create a complete %pho tier.
<br class=""> Your example also makes the important point that the systematic coding of disfluencies faces some challenges in Chinese and other languages with whole-character coding. I see that you are using disfluency coding for the repetition of the initial consonant. If you wanted to study this extensively, it might almost be best to create a secondary %ort line that would be the basis of a complete Pinyin transcription.
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<br class="">— Brian MacWhinney
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<br class="">> On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:01 AM, Pei-Tzu Tsai <<a href="" data-email-masked="" rel="nofollow" class="">peitz...@sjsu.edu</a>> wrote:
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<br class="">> Hi,
<br class="">> Is there any recommended way of coding Mandarin transcripts in Chinese characters at the sound level, while still running Mor successfully? For example, initial sound repetition in 狗 (↫g↫gou3) 看 到 了. We tried replacing the character with pinyin but Mor doesn't recognize it.
<br class="">> Thanks,
<br class="">> Peitzu
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