Expanding FLUCALC to other languages would certainly help speed up fluency research across languages. I'd happy to continue the discussion on the side about fluency data set in Mandarin to support the modification of FLUCALC. For now, we'll rely on FREQ to get part of the analysis done. Thanks for all the input. <div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Peitzu</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:05:09 PM UTC-7 macw wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Correct. Moreover we have no comparison fluency data set for other languages, although there might be some eventually for Dutch. Supporting fluency analysis for Chinese would be a great thing for fluency research, but it would be a big project, hopefully supported by grants from China.<div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:51, Brian Macwhinney <<a href data-email-masked rel="nofollow">ma...@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Dear Peitzu,<div> I am not recommending replacing the main line with thhe %ort line, but rather adding the %ort line with Pinyin to support disfluency coding. There is software that can do automatic recoding of Hanzi to Pinyin. I could discuss that with you separately, if you decide to go that way.</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Pei-Tzu Tsai <<a href data-email-masked rel="nofollow">peitz...@sjsu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Thank you, Brian. I'm guessing the first option would then prevent flucalc from identifying the disfluencies since the coding is replaced. Please advise if there is a way around it. If we go with converting all samples to pinyin entirely, using the segmenter/translater command that runs in the terminal, is there any way we can at the same time convert the characters from the main tier to the %ort tier? <div>Peitzu<br><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 9:14:10 AM UTC-7 macw wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Peitzu,
<br> There are two ways to do this. If you just want to do this occasionally for one or two words, you can use the form
<br>↫g↫gou3 [: 狗]
<br>then MOR will ignore the ↫g↫gou3 and only make use of 狗.
<br> Alternatively, if you want to study phonology systematically, you can create a complete %pho tier.
<br> Your example also makes the important point that the systematic coding of disfluencies faces some challenges in Chinese and other languages with whole-character coding. I see that you are using disfluency coding for the repetition of the initial consonant. If you wanted to study this extensively, it might almost be best to create a secondary %ort line that would be the basis of a complete Pinyin transcription.
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<br>— Brian MacWhinney
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<br>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:01 AM, Pei-Tzu Tsai <<a rel="nofollow">peitz...@sjsu.edu</a>> wrote:
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<br>> Hi,
<br>> Is there any recommended way of coding Mandarin transcripts in Chinese characters at the sound level, while still running Mor successfully? For example, initial sound repetition in 狗 (↫g↫gou3) 看 到 了. We tried replacing the character with pinyin but Mor doesn't recognize it.
<br>> Thanks,
<br>> Peitzu
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