<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">HI,<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It is easy to add an option to MLU to count characters over utterances. Currently MLU counts words or morphemes over utterances. </div><div><br></div><div>Just to confirm I understand what you want. I will change +b option to count characters or words. In the case of counting characters each word will be used to count how many characters are in that word and the sum of all characters will be used to count MLU over utterances. Is this what you want?</div><div><br></div><div>If it is, then I will put new version of CLAN on the web by the end of today.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 29, 2025, at 13:24, Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner@umd.edu> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Couldn't WDLEN do something in this regard? It counts characters...</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, Board Certified Specialist in Stuttering, Cluttering, and Fluency Disorders </div><div>she/her/hers</div><div>Distinguished University Professor</div><div>Hearing and Speech Sciences</div><div>University of Maryland</div><div>0100 Lefrak Hall, <span style="color:rgb(71,71,71);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">7251 Preinkert Drive</span></div><div>College Park, MD 20742</div><div><a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" target="_blank">nratner@umd.edu</a>, 301-405-4217 <a href="https://umd.zoom.us/j/7924324343" target="_blank">My Zoom</a></div><div><table cellpadding="0" style="width:482px"><tbody><tr><td style="width:478px"><div><div style="width:442px;direction:ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div>Co-director: FluencyBank (<font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://www.fluency.talkbank.org/" target="_blank">www.fluency.talkbank.org</a></font>); <a href="http://languagefluency.umd.edu/" target="_blank">http://languagefluency.umd.edu/</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Faculty, Language Science (<a href="http://languagescience.umd.edu/" target="_blank">languagescience.umd.edu</a>; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, <a href="http://nacs.umd.edu/" target="_blank">nacs.umd.edu</a>), Developmental Science Field Committee<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan" target="_blank">https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My PubMed bibliography: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/</span></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 11:27 AM Shanley <<a href="mailto:allen@rhrk.uni-kl.de">allen@rhrk.uni-kl.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>The poor person’s workaround - you could tweak the system by just making each character into a word - i.e. by putting a space between every character on whatever tier you’re using to count MLU. Surely a python script could easily do this for you.</div><div><br></div><div>Or a more complicated variant would be to write a python script to calculate what you want from the existing file.</div><div><br></div><div>In both cases, you should of course take Leonid’s observation below into account - that you’d need to first decide which words/utterances should be included.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Shanley Allen.</div><div><br></div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 25. Jul 2025, at 15:15, 'Janet Bang' via chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Got it, thank you!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 12:12 PM Leonid Spektor <<a href="mailto:spektor@andrew.cmu.edu" target="_blank">spektor@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Janet,<div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I am sorry to say it, but MLU can only count words or morphemes.</div><div><br></div><div>If you plan to use another program, then please keep in mind that MLU uses a lot of rules to decide if utterance or word(s) should be counted. You can read those rule in CLAN manual at <a href="https://talkbank.org/0info/manuals/CLAN.pdf" target="_blank">https://talkbank.org/0info/manuals/CLAN.pdf</a>. Please look for chapter "7.19" MLU in the manual.<br id="m_-1219055883693465117m_-942281248623768501lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 25, 2025, at 14:53, 'Janet Bang' via chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Hello!<div><br>Is there a way to use the MLU program to extract MLU in characters? We are exploring measures to facilitate cross-linguistic comparisons between English and Spanish and someone had recommended using characters (over MLU words) given the orthographic transparency of Spanish. </div><div><br></div><div>We saw some other programs on github, but I was hoping there was something within CLAN because we had already used MOR within CLAN.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, </div><div>Janet</div><div><br></div>
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