<div dir="ltr"><div>Couldn't WDLEN do something in this regard? It counts characters...</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, Board Certified Specialist in Stuttering, Cluttering, and Fluency Disorders </div><div>she/her/hers</div><div>Distinguished University Professor</div><div>Hearing and Speech Sciences</div><div>University of Maryland</div><div>0100 Lefrak Hall, <span style="color:rgb(71,71,71);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">7251 Preinkert Drive</span></div><div>College Park, MD 20742</div><div><a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" target="_blank">nratner@umd.edu</a>, 301-405-4217 <a href="https://umd.zoom.us/j/7924324343" target="_blank">My Zoom</a></div><div><table cellpadding="0" style="width:482px"><tbody><tr><td style="width:478px"><div><div style="width:442px;direction:ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div>Co-director: FluencyBank (<font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://www.fluency.talkbank.org" target="_blank">www.fluency.talkbank.org</a></font>); <a href="http://languagefluency.umd.edu/" target="_blank">http://languagefluency.umd.edu/</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Faculty, Language Science (<a href="http://languagescience.umd.edu" target="_blank">languagescience.umd.edu</a>; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, <a href="http://nacs.umd.edu" target="_blank">nacs.umd.edu</a>), Developmental Science Field Committee<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan" target="_blank">https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My PubMed bibliography: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/</span></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 11:27 AM Shanley <<a href="mailto:allen@rhrk.uni-kl.de">allen@rhrk.uni-kl.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>The poor person’s workaround - you could tweak the system by just making each character into a word - i.e. by putting a space between every character on whatever tier you’re using to count MLU. Surely a python script could easily do this for you.</div><div><br></div><div>Or a more complicated variant would be to write a python script to calculate what you want from the existing file.</div><div><br></div><div>In both cases, you should of course take Leonid’s observation below into account - that you’d need to first decide which words/utterances should be included.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Shanley Allen.</div><div><br></div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 25. Jul 2025, at 15:15, 'Janet Bang' via chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Got it, thank you!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 12:12 PM Leonid Spektor <<a href="mailto:spektor@andrew.cmu.edu" target="_blank">spektor@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Janet,<div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I am sorry to say it, but MLU can only count words or morphemes.</div><div><br></div><div>If you plan to use another program, then please keep in mind that MLU uses a lot of rules to decide if utterance or word(s) should be counted. You can read those rule in CLAN manual at <a href="https://talkbank.org/0info/manuals/CLAN.pdf" target="_blank">https://talkbank.org/0info/manuals/CLAN.pdf</a>. Please look for chapter "7.19" MLU in the manual.<br id="m_-1219055883693465117m_-942281248623768501lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Leonid.</div>
</div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 25, 2025, at 14:53, 'Janet Bang' via chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Hello!<div><br>Is there a way to use the MLU program to extract MLU in characters? We are exploring measures to facilitate cross-linguistic comparisons between English and Spanish and someone had recommended using characters (over MLU words) given the orthographic transparency of Spanish. </div><div><br></div><div>We saw some other programs on github, but I was hoping there was something within CLAN because we had already used MOR within CLAN.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, </div><div>Janet</div><div><br></div>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/9b2ae135-2fdb-4b55-b9f2-06886ace8217n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/9b2ae135-2fdb-4b55-b9f2-06886ace8217n%40googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br></div>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/E954F36D-0B93-4B5C-8C05-7C37BA062E75%40andrew.cmu.edu?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/E954F36D-0B93-4B5C-8C05-7C37BA062E75%40andrew.cmu.edu</a>.<br>
</blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Janet Y. Bang, Ph.D (she/her/hers)</div><div>Assistant Professor</div><div>Child and Adolescent Development</div><div>Lurie College of Education, San José State University</div><div><a href="mailto:janet.bang@sjsu.edu" target="_blank">janet.bang@sjsu.edu</a> | 408-924-3714</div><div><a href="https://www.sjsu.edu/education/faculty/janet-bang.php" target="_blank">https://www.sjsu.edu/education/faculty/janet-bang.php</a><br></div></div></div><div><br></div>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAL7GuZrwdWQbgt5381CSSTCUyPA6drFzpycbzZDopi8VOojQKA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAL7GuZrwdWQbgt5381CSSTCUyPA6drFzpycbzZDopi8VOojQKA%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<br>
</div></blockquote></div><br><div>
<div>********************************************************************************<br>Prof. Dr. Shanley E. M. Allen<br>Director, Psycholinguistics and Language Development Group<br>Center for Cognitive Science<br>University of Kaiserslautern-Landau<br>Erwin-Schrödinger-Straße 57/409<br>67663 Kaiserslautern<br>Germany<br><br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:allen@rptu.de" target="_blank">allen@rptu.de</a><br>phone: +49-631-205-4136<br>fax: +49-631-205-5182<br>office: Building 57, Office 409<br>web: <a href="http://www.sowi.uni-kl.de/psycholinguistics/home/" target="_blank">http://www.sowi.uni-kl.de/psycholinguistics/home/</a><br>********************************************************************************</div>
</div>
<br></div>
<p></p>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/FA203199-03A0-4407-A433-2F95ED5E5FAC%40rhrk.uni-kl.de?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/FA203199-03A0-4407-A433-2F95ED5E5FAC%40rhrk.uni-kl.de</a>.<br>
</blockquote></div>
<p></p>
-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
To view this discussion visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAAFocx4Y04XU467TLai5U2Rhjuq2WpOkcZEQUtUXe%2BAJuRu94Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAAFocx4Y04XU467TLai5U2Rhjuq2WpOkcZEQUtUXe%2BAJuRu94Q%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<br />