<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ryan - I think (but am not sure) that this "fluke" arose when we changed the notation of these behaviors to forbid the shorthand [x4] or similar after the Flucalc utility was written. Other advancements in CLAN that required alignment of the spoken main tier with elements on dependent tiers forced this new coding as the only option. Let me and the CMU crew think on this, because your conceptualization is correct - I concur - it is one event with 4 iterations.</div><div>I apologize for the difficulty but thank you for calling this to our attention.</div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, Distinguished University Professor<br></div><div>she/her/hers</div><div></div><div>Hearing and Speech Sciences</div><div>University of Maryland</div><div>0100 Lefrak Hall, <span style="color:rgb(71,71,71);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">7251 Preinkert Drive</span></div><div>College Park, MD 20742</div><div><a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" target="_blank">nratner@umd.edu</a>, 301-405-4217 <a href="https://umd.zoom.us/j/7924324343" target="_blank">My Zoom</a></div><div><table cellpadding="0" style="width:482px"><tbody><tr><td style="width:478px"><div><div style="width:442px;direction:ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div>Co-director: FluencyBank (<font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://www.fluency.talkbank.org" target="_blank">www.fluency.talkbank.org</a></font>); <a href="http://languagefluency.umd.edu/" target="_blank">http://languagefluency.umd.edu/</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Faculty, Language Science (<a href="http://languagescience.umd.edu" target="_blank">languagescience.umd.edu</a>; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, <a href="http://nacs.umd.edu" target="_blank">nacs.umd.edu</a>), Developmental Science Field Committee<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan" target="_blank">https://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein-ratner/nan</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My PubMed bibliography: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/1RORcBHUvuRQ82/bibliography/public/</span></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 5:32 PM Leonid Spektor <<a href="mailto:spektor@andrew.cmu.edu">spektor@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi,<div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>In 2022-08-29 the decision was made to count WWR and WWR_RU that same way. I don't know why. The best person to explain this would be Prof. Nan Bernstein Ratner.</div><div><br></div><div>The other thing I wanted to point out is that &+... and &-... word are counted as Phonological_fragment and Filled_pauses respectively. All other &... words are filtered out.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps.<br id="m_7930761630515044311lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 18, 2025, at 17:08, <a href="mailto:rmillager@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmillager@gmail.com</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">Hello again,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">Thanks to all for your responses to this question from several weeks ago.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">A follow-up as I’m trying to understand exactly how Flucalc produces its output…<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">I’m not seeing a distinction between #WWR and #mono-WWR-RU, when I expect one. Let’s take this utterance as an example:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;text-indent:0.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">*CHI: he [/] he [/] he [/] he [/] he likes puppies.<u></u><u></u></span></i></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">After running<span> </span><i>mor</i><span> </span>and<span> </span><i>flucalc (+t*CHI)</i>, I’m getting #_WWR = 4<span> </span><i><u>and</u></i><span> </span>#_WWR-RU = 4 for this utterance. From how I coded it, shouldn’t this utterance instead return #_WWR = 1, #_WWR-RU = 4? As in, this is one instance of stuttering with four iterations of a whole word repetition.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">Let me know if you have any insights, or feedback for my ongoing CHAT coding! Thanks so much.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto">Ryan Millager<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Brian Macwhinney<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, June 12, 2025 4:02 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: repeated interjections and timestamps with Mac OS<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Good questions. If you sense that these are stuttering behaviors, then adding the [/] would make sense. In any case, forms beginning with the & are filtered out of measures anyway, so perhaps either approach is okay. <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Regarding copying the timestamp markers from the media player, we did indeed use that method years ago and something similar was done when we used Walker Controller. However, with the shift to transcription and alignment through ASR, there are now better and faster ways to get time marks into transcripts. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">—Brian MacWhinney<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">On Jun 12, 2025, at 4:51<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>PM, Ryan Millager <<a href="mailto:rmillager@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">rmillager@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Hi folks --<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Two questions as I'm working with graduate coders on a dissertation project with a focus on stuttering:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">When coding whole-word, stuttering-like repetitions, we use [/] as in "*CHI: he [/] he [/] he likes puppies."<span> </span><b>Should we also use [/] for repeated stuttering-like interjections</b>, as with "*CHI: he &-um [/] &-um [/] &-um likes puppies"? or just give three iterations of &-um without the [/]? To be clear, this is for instances where the quality is stuttering-like but there is not any obvious block (i.e., distinct from "&-≠um").<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">When tweaking timestamps in CLAN on my PC, it is extremely helpful to be able to copy/paste the timestamp marker in the linked media player (see screenshot of a sample video attached). When my research assistants use CLAN on their MacBooks, however, the linked media player does not show a timestamp that they can copy/paste and it makes adjusting these values more cumbersome in the transcript.<span> </span><b>Is anyone aware of a way to reveal the timestamp value in the media player on a Mac?</b><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Thank you so much!<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Sincerely,<br>Ryan<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div 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