fwd from A. Grant re Tolmie

[David Lewis]

Hello,
We have two manuscripts from Tolmie in the SWORP collection.
Tolmie 703, concerning Klickitat, Sinahomish, Nisqually.
Tolmie 725, concerning Nisqually, April 21, 1886.

David
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> > From: "Anthony Grant" <Anthony.Grant3 at btinternet.com>
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> > Klahowya:
> >
> > Some vocabularies collected by Tolmie when he was very young were =
> > published in the Journal of the Royal Geographical Society in 1841.  =
> > They include data from several Salishan languages, and from Upper =
> > Umpqua, Coast Tsimshian and several other languages, over a dozen in =
> > all. (I wrote and published an article about this in 1992).
> > There is a =
> > vocabulary which corresponds to non-pidginised Chinook among these, =
> > though his 'Cheenook' vocabulary is some form of Tsamosan
> > Salish.
>
> The languages he lists for which he has vocabularies as of 21/4/35 (p.309)
> are: "Nusqually, Noosclalom, Haeeltzuk, Billichoola, Gueetilla or Nass,
> Haida or Queen Charlotte's Island & Tumgass or Kittichunnish".
>
> I'd =
> > think it inconceivable that Tolmie didn't know CJ but I don't
> > know him =
> > noting anything down that he identified as CJ.
>
> In the published journals I found the following phrases:
>
> 167: 2/5/33  [Columbia R] Passed a canoe fastened to the trunk of a tree
in
> the bank about 5 yards from margin, containing the ashes of a Chenooke.
The
> indians call these sepulchres Nimilush elihe "the Place of the Dead".
>
> 213: 1/7/33  [Ft Nisqually] A little while ago an Indian came to my
> parchment window; saying "six pesaioux chacoo". "Friend the whites are
> coming" -- ...
>
> 223: 3/8/33  Thuano Poyallip & Sinuamish arrived, "Mamonk Sunday" as they
> express it. They are now haranguing each other & a few are performing the
> Samanowash.
>
> 242: 17/10/33  After breakfast visited by Watskalatcheh & the resident
> chiefs & was requested to "wawa sacchali". Gave them an account of the
> Creation....
>
> He also uses individual words without quotation marks here and there,
> including hayakwa (dentalium) (223,314)and cockshettle (kill) (273, 296).
> Others are less unambiguous: "savage" or "sauvage" (Indian) in quotes
(235,
> 238, 305)is probably to be taken as French, likewise "apichimon blankets"
> (340); "Boston ships" (305) may be a literal description; clement (elk
skin)
> (296) is certainly a fur trade word but is it CJ?
>
> Most likely, in view of his expressed disdain for the Jargon, he simply
> ceased to work on it once he had started collecting vocabularies of the
> indigenous languages. But I thought it possible that he might have said
> something in print, or that his early notes might survive in manuscript
> somewhere.
>
> Ross Clark