CJ placename

[Bruce, Colin]

I like to look things up on the Innsbruck lecture site (
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~chinook/Innsbruck/ ) put out by Dr George Lang.
Since it often shows a full range of possible historical pronunciations.  

Here's Dr. Lang's entry for Kokshut

kakshEt, get ruined, beat. Verb / Adj. N. Walker: Mokquilla kakhsheetl
quotluk "Maquinna kill otter" Gray: quotcheetle. Ms. 195: cokchuttle, "to
strike, to injure". cockshul stick, "to cut wood".

And Dr. Lang has written the following for Kiuatan.  

khiyutEn, horse. Noun. Franchère: koutane. Ms 195: isoum nicah caywahtum
"bring me my horse".

It seems that the final "t" in Kokshut is actually a "tl" and the first
syllable is an "ah."  Maybe its more like kaXshElh.  Sometimes I've seen the
"oo" sound become a "wa" or an "aw" as in the example found under khiyutEn.
Maybe someone who knows better could expand on the diversity.  

 c



 -----Original Message-----
From: 	phil cash cash [mailto:pasxapu at DAKOTACOM.NET] 
Sent:	Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To:	CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
Subject:	Re: CJ placename

klahowya,

again, i would like to renew my Oct. request to obtain a correct
phonological representation for "kok-shut-cue-ton" (as it is originally
spelled in the hisorical record by pushtIn's).  i lost the email from
the single chinook list member who offered a transcription...my
apologies.

kokshut cue-ton "broken horse"

this placename identifies a waterway in the Wallowa region of
northeastern Oregon.  the historical record simply states that this
creek was called thusly by the Nez Perce after a white horse broke its
leg and had to be shot, thereafter, it was referred to by the "Indians"
as "kok-shut-cue-ton".    in modern toponymy, there is no "broken horse
creek," "white horse creek," but there is a "white horse ridge" which
corresponds to other geographic info for this waterway.

i am interested in knowing if the [o] in "kok-shut" is really an [o]
and, also, if the initial syllable in  "cue-ton" is [kyoo...] or
[kiyoo...] or [kooy].

thanks, this will greatly help in my placename database, otherwise, i
would probably leave it out if no one expresses an interest.

phil cash cash (cayuse/nez perce)