Duployan; "OCR misfiling"; Soundex and babelfish(es)

vincent yann janilta at YAHOO.FR
Mon Feb 14 08:30:01 UTC 2005

Hello !

Just a word on the 'Jeun(e)' form. Le Jeune is indeed
a common surname, probably originating in the same way
as Young in English (to make a distinction eg among
Without the e, Jeun has a different  sound and meaning
: fasting, with an empty stomach (for a health exam).
I thus think the Jeun form is clearly a misspelling.

Have a nice day, Yann

 --- Jeffrey Kopp <jeffreykopp at ATT.NET> a écrit :
> Whoa, Duployan is still alive. All the mentions I'd
> found in English online
> referred to it in the far past tense, implying it
> fell out of common use
> around WWII. (It apparently continued to see some
> use in Quebec until the
> 1950s.)
> Armed with the phrase "sténographie Duployé" (from
> your message) and
> Google, I discovered a tutorial was published in
> 1990:
> <http://www.stenographie.ch/enseign.html>. (The
> introductory section is
> available in .pdf at
> There's been at
> least one other; saw a title on sale with a pub.
> date of 1998.
> (How or whether the more frequently seen
> "Sténographie Usuelle" differs
> from Duployan, I have no clue.)
> As Continental and Canadian French have morphed in
> different directions,
> some historical adjustment may be required in
> applying these references,
> but I'm sure the KW folks are well familiar with
> that issue. (I'd guess
> LJ's own French, because of his travels and the era,
> was probably a mix of
> the two.)
> >How did the National Anthropological Archive
> (Washington, DC) manage to
> >file all of its material relating to Father Le
> Jeune under "Le Jeun"?!
> I'd presume an OCR+spellcheck error that
> snowballed.This technology is
> heavily relied upon today in archive compilation,
> and as a former word
> processor who dealt regularly with the early, less
> adept software, I'm
> quite familiar with (and wary of) the types of
> mistakes this combo can produce.
> (As soon as it became possible to customize a
> spellchecker's lexicon by
> removing specific words, we quickly pulled "sing"
> and "singed," as only the
> alert proofer would spot those common manual typos
> which would slip right
> through a spellcheck. People seldom sang nor singed
> in legal matters, but
> of course signed things all the time.)
> As I don't speak French, I'm making some assumptions
> here from what I can
> see on-line: "Le Jeune" (lit. "the young person") is
> far more common as a
> name (including place names in the U.S., often as
> "Lejeune"), but "le jeun"
> (adj. "the younger"?) might pass a French-enabled
> spellchecker to be missed
> by the operator.
> I'd previously noticed the same mistake (in spots)
> in Canadiana.org's
> OCR-driven filing system. As they're scanning
> scratchy microfilm, and the
> earlier material was printed in archaic, often odd
> "cold type," they do
> offer a caveat about likely errors.
> (Google power tip: Instead of searching for ("Le
> Jeune" OR LeJeune),
> entering "Le-Jeune" will catch both forms, as their
> engine handles a hyphen
> between characters as a hyphen, a space, or
> neither.)
> My then-brother-in-law, researching Renaissance
> Catalonia, asked me if
> there was a way to (in effect) perform a "fuzzy
> search" on names, due to
> the many spelling variations he encountered.
> Nope--not for his 64KB CP/M
> Osborne in 1982. Though we surmised something like
> it existed, we were
> unaware of the "Soundex" system developed by the
> Census a century prior,
> which was applied by the 1990s to mainframe
> databases. I've used it from
> terminals connected to AS/400s, and it's now
> available in most database
> software designed for the beefier PCs of today. The
> programmers among us
> who dream of a "Jargon babelfish" will likely
> require something of the sort
> to make it truly functional. (The algorithm is
> public domain, for the
> hardiest of the Java warriors out there.)
> J.
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