<DIV>Thank you very much, Anthony.</DIV>
<DIV>I wonder why Hale gave it as Chinookan (or maybe it was just a typo: "C" instead of "S", for Salishan).</DIV>
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<DIV>Indeed, the normal CW word for stars (ts'El-ts'El, tsil-tsil, chil-chil, sil-sil) means also "buttons" and you might be right that this last one was the original meaning: the early glossary of Ross (dating from 1810-1813) has: "Buttons Cill-cill".</DIV>
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<DIV>Francisc<BR><BR><B><I>Anthony Grant <Granta@edgehill.ac.uk></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">It's Cowlitz. (At least it certainly occurs there.) I came across this fact quite by chance reading a handout from a paper that the late Dale Kinkade gave. I think the original form is something like /Lak'isi/. The usaual word for star may just once have only meant 'buttons'.<BR><BR>Anthony<BR><BR>>>> Francisc Czobor <FERICZOBOR@YAHOO.COM>19/07/2005 14:34:29 >>><BR>LaXayEm khanawi Laksta,<BR><BR>In several Chinook Jargon dictionaries appears a strange word for "stars", <BR>recorded in different forms:<BR><BR>Anderson (1857): Klakcee<BR><BR>Anonymous ("Old employee, formerly of the Hudson Bay Company"): Klakee<BR><BR>Hutchings&Rosenfield, publ. (1860), Macdonald (1863): Klakeece<BR><BR>Hibben&Carswell (1862): Klukeece<BR><BR>Hale (1890): Klaseess<BR><BR>It is difficult to draw a conclusion on which form is correct. My opinion <BR>is that it is the form quoted
by Hale, because this is the most reliable <BR>source.<BR><BR>Regarding the etymology, Hale indicates "C.", that is, Chinook. The other <BR>sources don't have etymologies.<BR><BR>Is this really a Chinookan word? My only source for Chinookan, namely <BR>Curtis's "The North American Indian", has for "star":<BR>Wishram: kíxanaba, <BR>Chinook: iekhixánap, <BR>Cathlamet: iekixánapx, <BR>thus, nothing comparable to Klaseess or the like.<BR>I also didn't find it in other potential donor languages: Salishan, Nootkan <BR>(incl. Makah), Sahaptin (Yakima, Klickitat, Nez Perce).<BR><BR>In some Coast Salishan languages, there are words for "star" somehow <BR>similar, but they don't begin with kl-, rather with k(h)- or k(h)w- <BR>(Cowlitz: khási, Lummi: khwâsn, Klallam: hwásin, Nooksack: khósEn, <BR>Cowichan: khwásin, Saanich: kwasEn), thus I'm not sure if they could be <BR>related to "Klaseess".<BR><BR>So what origin could have such a word?<BR><BR>Another question: was this actually used in
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