<DIV>In my personal Chinook Wawa dictionary I have "ikt...ikt" = "either...or", but unfortunatelly I omited to note the source and now I can not find out where I got it from (not Holton, not Gibbs, not Shaw, not Hale, not Demers, not "El Comancho"...)</DIV> <DIV>For "envelope" I have the _expression "klahanie papeh" from Shaw.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Francisc<BR><BR><BR><B><I>David Robertson <ddr11@COLUMBIA.EDU></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Here's some great syntax, er, neat Chinook stuff.<BR><BR>A letter from a Salmon Arm man that I presented a couple of Chinook <BR>Gatherings back uses the phrasing "...kata [klaska] spus tlus spus <BR>klahawiam." At the time, the lack of punctuation threw me into thinking he <BR>was saying one thing, but experience with more letters from the Interior <BR>shows me he meant something else.<BR><BR>He meant "...how [they] are getting
along: well or miserably." <BR><BR>I've found that people who relied on Jargon for routine communication <BR>formulated "either-or" choices as "(s)pus X (s)pus Y," "either/whether X or <BR>Y." Nice to know. I don't recall seeing that in anyone's thumbnail <BR>sketches of Jargon grammar, but I could be forgetful.<BR><BR>A second lightbulb turned on over my head when I was re-examining a <BR>different part of the same letter. There, the writer talks about a letter <BR>he got from another Native person, who he names. Then he says <BR>literally, "But I don't have his name in/on the bag" ("nim kopa lisak"), <BR>and asks for help with this so that he can send a letter in reply. I'd <BR>originally read all this metaphorically, which as you know can lead to big <BR>misunderstandings. Did he mean "it's on the tip of my tongue"? Or "I'm <BR>not sure of it"? Etc... Well, it now strikes me he could've meant "I <BR>don't have his address."<BR><BR>Well, as they often wrote in these
letters, "pus ikta maika tomtom?" <BR>[sic] "What do you think?"<BR><BR>--Dave R<BR><BR>To respond to the CHINOOK list, click 'REPLY ALL'. To respond privately to the sender of a message, click 'REPLY'. Hayu masi!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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