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At Sunday 15/06/2003 10:20(), Mark Sanderson wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I think the problem though is that
as great as ELRA and LDC are, I don't see how these agencies are going to
help researchers who want access to very large corpora: Google has
something like 30 terabytes of text. One can access it through their API,
but some researchers may wish to have better quality access to such
amounts data. The only way I think this can be done is to have
researchers build their own Web collection, which does take on potential
legal problems, but I don't see an alternative, if one wishes to access
very large corpora.</blockquote><br><br>
then we will face another problem of comparing approaches and techniques,
if each of us use different corpora (without any possibility to share it
with others because of the legal aspects) then no comparison will be
possible.<br><br>
I am sure ELRA and LDC would be happy to launch a terabyte corpus project
and gather the pieces that researchers get from various providers and
negotiate with those. In some cases owners are very cooperative (for
instance the European office of publications, many newspapers, united
nations, UNESCO, etc.). Some of these own gigabytes of data and may be
with 100-200 providers we can get the Tera (and increase this over
time).<br><br>
If the community feels this is what should be done I can bring this up to
ELRA and LDC boards and see how we can get funding for it. <br>
All the best<br>
Khalid Choukri<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I had some involvement in pulling
together the 10Gb corpus for TREC a few years ago and one of the problems
that seemed to be happening was that organisers were struggling to find
owners of text who could could be negotiated with to provide us with
enough text to build a multi-gigabyte corpus. When TREC wanted to go for
bigger data sets, my impression is that, because of this problem, they
had to move to the Web.<br><br>
At 09:37 15/06/03 +0200, Khalid CHOUKRI wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Dear Colleagues<br><br>
I am not sure the way suggested by Adam is the right thing to do, <br>
ELRA and LDC have been trying to negotiate such rights in order to
provide the users of corpora with good and legally-cleared resources and
we are happy to help request and get the authorizations to use the data
in a more sound and clean legal context.<br><br>
of course we can all do whatever we feel fair and then if no one sue us
it is fine but just imagine that after your 5 years work someone come
across your publication in which you refer to the data and managed to
prevent you from such reference/publication or even ask you to delete all
such data .. <br><br>
Best regards<br>
Khalid CHOUKRI<br>
European Language Resources Association<br><br>
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At Friday 13/06/2003 15:36(), Adam Kilgarriff wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>On the one hand, if your enemies
are rich enough you'll lose.<br><br>
On the other you're probably less worth sueing than Google and they
are<br>
still going strong (anyone out there from Google? Your
contribution<br>
most welcome), and it doesn't sound like you are doing anything with
any<br>
salient legal difference. (Getting authors' agreements takes
huge<br>
amounts of resources and isn't feasible; listing references doesn't<br>
help.)<br><br>
People do get unhappy about their pictures and audio being grabbed
from<br>
the web for use in other people's databases, and I have heard of
cases<br>
of web developers having to rein in their ambitions because
objections<br>
have been made. As yet, mercifully, that hasn't happened with text
-<br>
people don't seem alarmed at the idea that the text they publish on
the<br>
web gets re-used. Let's all pray it stays that way (though sooner
or<br>
later we're bound to get chancers trying it on - can't help fearing
the<br>
web is in its honeymoon phase, and the racketeers will mess it all
up<br>
before too long).<br><br>
In the meantime - take courage! Do it!<br><br>
<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Adam<br><br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: owner-corpora@lists.uib.no [<a href="mailto:owner-corpora@lists.uib.no" eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-corpora@lists.uib.no</a>]<br>
On<br>
> Behalf Of delucca@nilc.icmc.usp.br<br>
> Sent: 13 June 2003 13:49<br>
> To: corpora@hd.uib.no<br>
> Subject: [Corpora-List] Legal aspects of compiling corpora<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Dear Linguists and Lawyers,<br>
> <br>
> I am troubled with Legal aspects of corpora compiling. I am in<br>
> doubt if is an illegal procedure storage webpages (or part of them)<br>
> in a database (see at http://www.dictionarium.com/project.htm),<br>
> not available to public, and display its contents as short<br>
collocations<br>
> less than 100 characters by time by search method.<br>
> <br>
> On the other hand, the Internet search engines uses cached (temporary<br>
?)<br>
> copies of the sites and display a short of the web pages.<br>
> <br>
> My procedure is wrong? Which the Legal difference? I need ask<br>
permission<br>
> for each website to storage its pages? If I mention the source and the<br>
> author<br>
> I will be protecting the copyrights?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I look forward to hearing from you.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Yours Sincerely,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> J. L. De Lucca<br>
> <br>
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