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Hi Roger<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Ramesh, of course,
meant to write contrapuntal </font></blockquote><br>
I'm sorry, but you have not checked your facts - and should not assume
typos!<br>
:-)<br><br>
I wrote "contrapunctual" and meant
"contrapunctual".<br>
(I am well aware of the musical term contrapuntal, being a drummer of
long standing myself).<br>
My "research" was solely to do with forms derived from
"punctual".<br>
Today's Google for 'contrapunctual' (sic) yielded 1710 hits.<br>
<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=contrapunctual&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" eudora="autourl">
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=contrapunctual&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8</a>
<br><br>
I do not know whether there is a genuine distinction in meaning in
musical terminology<br>
between 'contrapuntal' and 'contrapunctual'. <br><br>
But I noticed in today's Google hits that there seems to be an extension
(of the linguistic term?)<br>
in the legal and political domains:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Secondly the
discussion aims at showing that <b>contrapunctual</b> law principles have
<b>...</b> It is proposed however that since this limitation of
<b>contrapunctual</b> law
<b>...</b></blockquote>
hermes.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=934067</font> <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>SSRN-European
Constitutional Pluralism and the European Arrest Warrant:
<b>Contrapunctual</b> Principles in Disharmony by Jan
Komárek.</blockquote>papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=934067
<br><br>
<br>
</font>Best<br>
Ramesh<br><br>
At 16:44 07/12/2006, Roger Shlomo Harris wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Thursday 7th</font>
December 2006. London, U.K.<br>
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<br>
<font size=2>Dear All<br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2>Ramesh Krishnamurthy wrote: <br>
</font> <br>
>>> and most hits for contrapunctual were from music texts.<br>
<br>
<font size=2>That's surprising. Contrapunctual suggests music which is
played erratically <br>
so that notes are played too early or too late - that's how I play the
piano <br>
after drinking too much beer. Ramesh, of course, meant to write
contrapuntal <br>
which is a genuine music term but he was just testing to see whether we
were <br>
asleep. <br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2>Kind regards,<br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2>Roger.<br>
(who periodically moonlights as a proof-reader.)<br>
</font> <br>
<br>
<br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk">Ramesh
Krishnamurthy</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:d.maynard@dcs.shef.ac.uk">Diana Maynard</a>
<br>
<dd>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:harold.somers@manchester.ac.uk">Harold
Somers</a> ;
<a href="mailto:corpora@lists.uib.no">corpora@lists.uib.no</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:06 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [Corpora-List] Numpties and bennies: Google searches
as linguistic evidence<br>
<br>
<dd>Hi Diana<br>
<dd>Sorry about the brevity of my previous email.<br>
<dd>I didn't mean to be rude, just in a hurry as usual...<br><br>
<dd>But I was raising a genuine concern of mine. An experience last year:
challenged in <br>
<dd>my daughter's school playground by 2 mothers who had heard of my
involvement with <br>
<dd>writing dictionaries, I was asked to resolve their dispute: "is
unpunctual a word, can I <br>
<dd>say unpunctual". <br><br>
<dd>It was not listed in any of the printed 6 or 7 native-speaker (US and
UK) and <br>
<dd>learner's dictionaries I looked at. There were 15 occurrences in Bank
of English (5 in British <br>
<dd>Magazines, 4 in Independent, and a few one-offs), so below the normal
threshold for inclusion<br>
<dd>in Cobuild at the time.<br><br>
<dd>But I found 4320 hits on Google (43,100 today! <br>
<dd>- so has its usage increased, or has Google's trawl just got
bigger?), mostly entries in <br>
<dd>online dictionaries (based on each other?)</b>... but also 9000+ for
impunctual, 5000 for non-punctual, <br>
<dd>500 for nonpunctual, 400 for contrapunctual, 11 for apunctual, and 7
for anti-punctual...<br><br>
<dd>When I looked closer at the hits, most of the hits for impunctual
were from a 1913 USA dictionary,<br>
<dd>most of the hits for non(-)punctual were (technical use) from
linguistics texts, and<br>
<dd>most hits for contrapunctual were from music texts.<br><br>
<dd>So I told the mothers that unpunctual was a valid word form <br>
<dd>(ie created according to valid derivational rules)<br>
<dd>but that it wasn't very widely used. <br><br>
<dd>PS I've just noticed a discussion on unpunctual at<br>
<dd>
<a href="http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=105391" eudora="autourl">
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=105391</a><br><br>
<dd>Best<br>
<dd>Ramesh<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>At 09:36 07/12/2006, Diana Maynard wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Yes, I should have been more explicit, I didn't mean in all
cases!<br>
<dd>Diana<br><br>
<dd>Ramesh Krishnamurthy wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>I guess this demonstrates the power of the internet over the BNC as a
corpus.....</blockquote></blockquote><br>
<dd>For rare events, events post-1994, and events beyond British English,
perhaps...<br>
<dd>There's still the problem of
reliability...</blockquote></blockquote><br>
<dd>Ramesh Krishnamurthy<br><br>
<dd>Lecturer in English Studies, School of Languages and Social Sciences,
Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET, UK<br>
<dd>[Room NX08, North Wing of Main Building] ; Tel: +44 (0)121-204-3812 ;
Fax: +44 (0)121-204-3766<br>
<dd>
<a href="http://www.aston.ac.uk/lss/staff/krishnamurthyr.jsp" eudora="autourl">
http://www.aston.ac.uk/lss/staff/krishnamurthyr.jsp</a><br><br>
<dd>Project Leader, ACORN (Aston Corpus Network):
<a href="http://corpus.aston.ac.uk/" eudora="autourl">
http://corpus.aston.ac.uk/</a> <br>
</blockquote>
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</dl>Ramesh Krishnamurthy<br><br>
Lecturer in English Studies, School of Languages and Social Sciences,
Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET, UK<br>
[Room NX08, North Wing of Main Building] ; Tel: +44 (0)121-204-3812 ;
Fax: +44 (0)121-204-3766<br>
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http://www.aston.ac.uk/lss/staff/krishnamurthyr.jsp<br><br>
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