<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, the topic, of completeness/decidability and grammars, has been thought about and long, long ago; if modesty didnt forbid I would mention<DIV>"Decidability and Natural Language" in Mind, 1971, easily downloadable from the web. A crappy paper by Mind standards, but in the target zone.</DIV><DIV>Yorick Wilks</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 7 Sep 2007, at 05:02, Rob Freeman wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Rich,<BR><BR>You are posting to the wrong thread. That angle on this subject was covered well in the previous thread.<BR><BR>Simple "rights" and "wrongs" just fail to capture it.<BR><BR>Far from being "wrong" on the subject, I doubt many generative grammarians have even contemplated the idea grammar might be necessarily incomplete. Nor have many corpus linguists.<BR> <BR>Nobody's "right" or "wrong" on this one. It simply hasn't been looked at.<BR><BR>A model from this point of view will still need to be generative. That is its great advantage. Corpus linguistics has worked well as a model of lexicon. It is just we have lacked workable way of reconciling syntax. This tells us it does not need to be an either/or between lexical and syntactic perspectives of language. We can have both (because syntax is subjective on context.) <BR><BR>Instead of bandying about "rights" and "wrongs", I think both "sides" need to look at this and find what common ground they can from a new perspective.<BR><BR>-Rob<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote"> On 9/7/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Rich Cooper</B> <<A href="mailto:Rich@englishlogickernel.com">Rich@englishlogickernel.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-US"> <DIV><P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">There are still Chomskyans on the prowl though:</SPAN></FONT></P><P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><A href="http://www.amazon.com/Atoms-Language-Minds-Hidden-Grammar/dp/019860632X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-3873164-6759834?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189095805&sr=8-1" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.amazon.com/Atoms-Language-Minds-Hidden-Grammar/dp/019860632X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-3873164-6759834?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189095805&sr=8-1</A></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">-Rich</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Corpora mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:Corpora@uib.no">Corpora@uib.no</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora">http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>