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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear Ulf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you for allaying my fears!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It just struck me, as some of you have
remarked, that a primitive elicitation experiment might throw additional light
on the valuable information I retrieved from my corpus data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Indeed.</span></font> <font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>My occasional ad-hoc elicitation of collocations has often
demonstrated substantial variance between elicited data and corpus</span></font>
<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I wonder if you will find the same with
syntactic/valency features?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ramesh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Ulf Magnusson
[mailto:mag.nusson@bredband.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 September 2007 15:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Krishnamurthy, Ramesh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> eslambx@langate.gsu.edu;
m_mehta@teacher.com; grs2@sussex.ac.uk; corpora@uib.no<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> SV: A small favour</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dear Ramesh, Amanda, Moneesha, Geoffrey
and others on the list,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>No offence! I’m grateful for the
interest and kindness that my simple request met with and besides I’m
happy it also created some comment on corpora and elicitation. I have indeed
received a great number of suggestions from numerous scholars. I feel I have to
write you all a short note already before I have sorted out the answers I got.
Thank you Ramesh, for the time you spent on my little request. I have, in fact,
been on the list for a couple years by now, and I am working with the BNC. It
just struck me, as some of you have remarked, that a primitive elicitation
experiment might throw additional light on the valuable information I retrieved
from my corpus data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I will be back on the list with
information on the data you spent time on offering me. And, again, there are no
hard feelings whatsoever on my part. After all, we all “seek the
truth” don’t we? There’s no room for prestige here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>All the best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ulf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Ursprungligt
meddelande-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Från:</span></b> Krishnamurthy, Ramesh
[mailto:r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Skickat:</span></b> den 7 september 2007
15:46<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Till:</span></b> Geoffrey Sampson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Kopia:</span></b> Ulf Magnusson;
corpora@uib.no<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Ämne:</span></b> RE: A small favour</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Dear Professor
Magnusson, Geoffrey, and all on the list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>1. I'm really
sorry if I sounded harsh, and apologize unreservedly.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I tried very hard
to word my email carefully:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear
Professor Magnusson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please
forgive me, but it seems strange to post an <u>elicitation</u> request on <u>corpora</u>-list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>2. The last thing
I wanted to do was to scare anyone away</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>from using
corpora. I was trying to do the opposite, by </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>providing some
corpus examples myself and offering transitivity analyses.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>3. The questions
I asked are of genuine interest to me:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>a) what purposes
can elicitation serve that corpora cannot?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>(and you Geoffrey
have made one suggestion yourself: to compare</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>introspection
with performance)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>b)‘spontaneous’
(like ‘authentic’) can be contextualized in different ways; I
thought</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>it might be
useful to discuss the idea of spontaneity in the context of introspection </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>c) what is
current psycholinguistic opinion on our degree of grammar-consciousness </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>while speaking?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>d) how do we
incorporate phrasal verbs into grammar systems?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>(and how reliable
are current parsers in identifying phrasal verbs?)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>e) if
transitivity is binary, where does ‘ergativity’ </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>(by which I mean
‘I stopped the car. The car stopped.’)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>fit in? Or am I
confusing syntax and semantics?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Many apologies
again for any offence caused.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Best</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Ramesh</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Geoffrey Sampson [mailto:grs2@sussex.ac.uk] <br>
Sent: 07 September 2007 13:13<br>
To: Krishnamurthy, Ramesh<br>
Cc: Ulf Magnusson; corpora@uib.no<br>
Subject: A small favour</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I thought
Ramesh's response to a harmless-seeming request seemed a touch</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>harsh. I
had taken it that Ulf Magnusson might well be interested in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>comparing the
actual usage of SLIP as revealed by corpora to what</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>native-speaker
linguists imagine the usage is (and I gave him a few</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>examples I
dreamed up, as evidence for the latter). It would be a pity</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>to scare off
newcomers to the corpus-linguistics world!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Geoffrey</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Prof. Geoffrey Sampson MA PhD MBCS CITP FHEA</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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author of "The 'Language Instinct' Debate"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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