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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Browne, Allen (NIH/NLM/LHC)
[E] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'corpora@uib.no'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Demner Fushman, Dina
(NIH/NLM/LHC) [E]; Lu, Chris (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Corpora-List]
Phrasal Verbs</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>That’s right.
The SPECIALIST lexicon does indeed include both prepositional phrase
complements and particles. While we have used LDOCE, especially early on. But
we do not rely on it exclusively nor have we ever copied LDOCE entries
verbatim. We compile the lexicon based on a growing number of sources as well
as the native speaker intuitions of the lexicon consultants. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The unit record for
“abseil” is:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font></p>
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{base=abseil</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
entry=E0538506</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
cat=verb</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
variants=reg</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
tran=pphr(down,np)</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
tran=pphr(from,np)</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
tran=pphr(from,np);part(down)</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
}</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>You can also get
this information from the LRCMP file. The relevant lines are:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
E0538506|abseil|verb|tran=pphr(down,np)| </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
E0538506|abseil|verb|tran=pphr(from,np)| </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>
E0538506|abseil|verb|tran=pphr(from,np);part(down)| </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps.
Please feel free to email or call me or Chris Lu (chris_lu@nlm.nih.gov) with
any questions you might have.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ken Litkowski
[mailto:ken@clres.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>Wednesday, December 10, 2008</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>11:18 AM</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> J Washtell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> corpora@uib.no<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Corpora-List]
Phrasal Verbs</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry for my hasty example. Perhaps the following is a
particle.<br>
<br>
"Inspector Kench set up a rope system and <span class=emphasis>abseiled</span>
down to rescue the frightened animal, which, to his horror, then tried to
escape."<br>
<br>
My main point was that Specialist provides a substantial list. In their
documentation, they indicate that OALD was used for many entries, along with
several other sources. My version of OALD only attests the prepositional
phrase, so they got the particle usage (well-attested in the Oxford Sentence
Dictionary) from somewhere else, despite their focus on medical terminology.<br>
<br>
Ken<br>
<br>
J Washtell wrote: </span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sorry to be picky... but in the case of abseiling down the alps, I </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>would say that "down" would almost certainly be considered a </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>preposition, as opposed to a particle of a phrasal verb.</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Is that incorrect?</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Justin Washtell</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>University</span></font> of Leeds</pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Quoting Ken Litkowski <a
href="mailto:ken@clres.com"><ken@clres.com></a>:</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The UMLS Specialist lexicon can be simply mined for this purpose,</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>probably in half an hour. See</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://lexsrv3.nlm.nih.gov/SPECIALIST/index.html">http://lexsrv3.nlm.nih.gov/SPECIALIST/index.html</a> and click on Specialist</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>lexicon. The main dictionary file (a text file about 34 MB) will contain</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>entries for the general lexicon in addition to specifically medical</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>terminology. This dictionary contains very extensive complement patterns</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(about 25,000 for prepositions). If you search for verb entries that</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>have the following lines</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> compl=.*part(down)</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> compl=.*part(up)</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>you will get a very thorough list. The first alphabetical entry is for</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"abseil" (to descend a rock cliff), i.e., one can "abseil down the</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Alps</span></font>." This shows how extensive the non-medical dictionary is.</pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Ken</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Michael Dreyfuss wrote:</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm a student at the </span></font>University of Toulouse in France, and I'm looking</pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>for a list of phrasal verbs in English that use "down" or "up" as</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>their particle, such as "cool down" or "turn up." Does anyone know if</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>such a list exists?</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Michael Dreyfuss</span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre></blockquote>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- </span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ken Litkowski TEL.: 301-482-0237</span></font></pre><pre><font
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