<div dir="ltr">Sorry I miss to send this to the list<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Hamed Al-Suhli</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hamed@e3rab.com">hamed@e3rab.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non continentalArabic Language Academy<br>To: Oliver Mason <<a href="mailto:O.Mason@bham.ac.uk">O.Mason@bham.ac.uk</a>><br>
<br><br><div dir="ltr">Dear All,<br><br>Thank you for responding, however many issues have been raised and I'll discuss them one by one.<br>1- why Islamic tending?<br>As I mentioned and Dr.Nizar declared there are tow directions for standarizing Arabic nowadays, the modern standard Arabic VS the Quranic standard Arabic.<br>
Both are not spoken widely and the modern standard Arabic still not yet completed, in spite of some proposals for regional dialects to became an independent languages the standard Arabic is the only written and widely dominated the culture and formal usage.<br>
non Muslim Arabs writings are the only non Quranic Arabic writing till the end of 19th century, when some Arabic Muslims nationalists start writing without the restrict Arabic linguistic rules, which lead after a century to non restricted Arabic language we called modern Arabic.<br>
because of Quran the modern Arabic can't eleminate the standard Naho (syntax) or Sarf (etymological system), and it still leak of precise or standards.<br><b>Thou my proposal centralized by the hold on with well standarized Quranic Arabic and completion of its missing modern "computational, etymological and semantic" standarizations.</b><br>
<br><b>2-The proposal definitely not limited or restricted to Muslims.</b><br><br>3- The fund and the Full outlines of the establishment:<br>let's take the thing step by step, we need [1]enough enthusiasm professional founders and [2]temporary online platform [3] arranging an appointment for first meeting [4]proposing outlines and manager(s) for the meeting.<br>
I can offer the temporary online platform<br>and we are discussing the other requirements.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Oliver Mason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:O.Mason@bham.ac.uk" target="_blank">O.Mason@bham.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Hamed,<br>
<br>
as I understood Tony, he suggested to not limit the membership of this<br>
prospective NGO to people belonging to either a particular religion or<br>
ethnic group.<br>
<br>
While most speakers of Arabic may be either Arabs or Muslims, or even<br>
both, there will also be non-Arab speakers of Arabic who also might be<br>
non-Muslims. These you would exclude with your current proposal. Why<br>
not leave it open to anybody who can speak Arabic? You do not lose<br>
anything, but may gain a lot, as Tony suggested.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
Oliver<br>
<br>
2009/11/16 Hamed Al-Suhli <<a href="mailto:hamed@e3rab.com" target="_blank">hamed@e3rab.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div>> Dear Tony,<br>
> Salam,<br>
><br>
> You have a point, but As you know there is no Arabic Language speaker but<br>
> there are persons who could understand Arabic language and write it, most of<br>
> them are Arabs whome are not necessarily Muslims, but the non Muslim Arabs<br>
> are less than non Arabs Muslims who can understand Arabic, and all Muslims<br>
> consider Arabic as central Language for understand Islam.<br>
> Also non Muslim Arabs have Islamic culture, so they don't have essential<br>
> problems with Islamic umbrella "Lebanon is a member of OIC <a href="http://oic-oic.org" target="_blank">oic-oic.org</a>".<br>
><br>
> in short word Standard Arabic "ALfussha" is more important to non Arabic<br>
> Muslims than non Muslims Arabs.<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Mcenery, Tony<br>
> <<a href="mailto:eiaamme@exchange.lancs.ac.uk" target="_blank">eiaamme@exchange.lancs.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Hamed,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> An interesting idea – I think most people would certainly welcome the<br>
>> development of a trans-national language academy for a trans-national<br>
>> language. But would it not be better if your goal was to build an academy<br>
>> for all speakers of Arabic, whether they are Muslim or not? I think that<br>
>> would be quite in line with the finest historical examples of inclusiveness<br>
>> in scholarship in the Arabic speaking world. Best,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Tony<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora-bounces@uib.no</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora-bounces@uib.no</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>> Hamed Al-Suhli<br>
>> Sent: 16 November 2009 13:43<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:linguist@linguistlist.org" target="_blank">linguist@linguistlist.org</a>; <a href="mailto:elsnet-arabic@elsnet.org" target="_blank">elsnet-arabic@elsnet.org</a>; <a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br>
>> Subject: [Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non<br>
>> continentalArabic Language Academy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> English version:<br>
>> Proposal to initiate a non government or National organization controlled<br>
>> Islamic universal Academy for Arabic language, centralized by the Idea of<br>
>> Arabic is for all muslims not only Arabs.<br>
>> the current Arabic Language academies are controlled by every countries<br>
>> government, so they have all the problems of the Arabic politics systems,<br>
>> also used by every government for Ideological political purposes which<br>
>> resulted at loosing there scientific academic objectives.<br>
>> most of these academies are very far from the technical developement, and<br>
>> the needs of terms localization thus the new horizons of computational<br>
>> linguistics research<br>
>><br>
>> this information is intended for Arabic Linguistics, thou this is a brief<br>
>> outlines of the previous Arabic message.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Hamed Al-Suhli<br>
>> <a href="http://e3rab.com" target="_blank">http://e3rab.com</a><br>
>><br>
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</div></div>Dr Oliver Mason<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div>-- <br><div class="im">Hamed Al-Suhli<br><a href="http://e3rab.com" target="_blank">http://e3rab.com</a><br>
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</div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Hamed Al-Suhli<br><a href="http://e3rab.com">http://e3rab.com</a><br>
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