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face=Calibri>I agree that it might be best to concentrate on certain verbs with
the pappern 'V <EM>(that)'</EM>, eg 'order' (the president ordered that the
conference be suspended), 'suggest' (I suggested we stop for an early
lunch'), 'advocate', 'recommend', 'beg', 'command', 'demand', 'insist',
'propose', 'recommend', 'request'. (Examples from Cobuild Grammar Patterns 1:
Verbs). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>Initially you could search on 'suggest|suggested that' ,
'recommend(lemma) that... etc etc and then try to get some of those where 'that'
is omitted eg 'suggest + they|she...' etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>Another good environment is 'lest' - eg 'He was put in a cell
with no clothes on lest he injure himself' (From Cobuild English Grammar). I
have looked this up on ukWaC and it yields lots of examples, eg ...lest another
backlash occur, Lest anyone miss the implications... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>Many of them rather archaic as you'd expect, eg ...we fear lest any
man see us (Bede??) and from religious sources eg Kiss the Son, lest he be
angry'. and Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
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face=Calibri>The fact that the subject of the subjunctive verb (or however you'd
describe it) here is often 'any' or 'anyone' is consistent with the
hypotheticality, conditionality etc of the meaning of the subjunctive in
English, or what is left of it. I guess there are lots of definitions as well as
the one exemplified above.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>And then there are phrases where the 'subjunctive' is fixed - 'if I
were you', 'if need be' - can't think of others off hand.
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face=Calibri>You could also search on sentence initial 'Were + I, he,
she...' eg Were he alive today what would Sir George think? (ukWaC).
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face=Calibri>I don't think it would be useful to search on modals, because the
subjunctive in its central definition is often used instead of a modal -
there are lines for both 'lest anyone forget' and 'lest anyone should forget' in
ukWaC. Well, this assumes that the first of these is an example of the
subjunctive and the second is not, of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>I hope this helps - I think there's a terminological can of worms
here, probably... But the main thing I think would be to search on the verbs
like 'suggest' and 'insist' followed by 'that' clauses, for central and typical
examples. I.e you use a collocational approach by looking at lexical items which
attract the subjunctive. Or maybe this is colligation - I'd say that the
association of 'lest' with the subjunctive would be described as
colligation by eg Susan Hunston, though I don't want to take her name in vain -
lest she tell me I am but an ignorant fool... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Calibri>Gill Francis</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> corpora-bounces@uib.no
[mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Taras
Zagibalov<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 July 2010 12:49<BR><B>To:</B>
corpora@uib.no<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Corpora-List] Subjunctive mood
detection<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hello,<BR><BR>I am looking for any papers regarding Subjunctive mood
detection. <BR>Is there any way to find phrases describing unreal but desirable
situations (like "I wish you were here")? The problem is that it's not possible
to do with key words (e.g. word "wish" might be used in "I wish good luck to
you" which is not what I am looking for). Modal verbs are not good indicators
either as they describe probability / possibility of something rather than what
is absent but desirable: "I may/might/can go" vs "I wish I went" or "I wish I
could go". It looks like some grammar / patterns may be more reliable than
key-words.<BR>Any suggestions and ideas are appreciated.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Taras Zagibalov<BR><BR>University of Sussex<BR></BODY></HTML>