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<div>Yorick,</div>
<div>Your "Electric Words" was indeed an enlightening work
and a worthy read for lexicographers. The practical work of
analysis has been mostly enriched by corpus tools, but as you note
could also benefit from a close reading of AI work (as well as other
developments, such as cognitive linguistics). Could you give an
example of lexicographic work that might point the way toward
exploiting those AI insights?<br>
Thanks,</div>
<div>Bob</div>
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<div>At 1:18 PM -0400 9/13/10, Yorick Wilks wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>All true, but the notion was pretty well
explored by Ai work in the seventies, and has</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>been missed by the lexicographic
community (if not by Hanks himself!)--it's all there really, the
norms, the extensions in context based on what we know about the word
and the world--all that was missing was the hard work of the sort
lexicographers are said to be good at!</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Yorick</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On 12 Sep 2010, at 17:16, Adam Kilgarriff
wrote:</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Lothar,</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>yes, I'm very happy to own that position!
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I'd add to it, the kind of thing that Ken
Litkowski mentioned and Patrick Hanks has explored most deeply: that
we make sense of unfamiliar uses of words by working out how what we
already know of the word (its norms) can be made sense of in the
context. (My own enlightenment on this front came from Geoff
Nunberg's thesis, see his 'Pragmatics of Reference'). That is
the cognitive process of interpreting an exploitation of the word's
norms. A word's senses are then just those interpretations,
which are commonly enough understood across a speech community, and
over time. What counts as 'common enough', and 'the speech
community' and the timespan, depends on the purposes for which we want
to catalogue them</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Adam<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On 7 September 2010 09:27, Lothar
Lemnitzer <<a
href="mailto:lemnitzer@bbaw.de">lemnitzer@bbaw.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Dear Laura<br>
<br>
I do not think that this insight is so spectacular. Word senses are
artifacts and lexicographers are the experts (and are perceived by
society as such) in finding and defining these artifacts.<br>
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If I am allowed to give a guess I would assign this position to Adam
Kilgarriff (I don't believe in word senses).<br>
<br>
Adam, sue me if I am wrong.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Lothar Lemnitzer<br>
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<blockquote>2010/9/7 Laura Lofberg <<a
href="mailto:Laura.Lofberg@uta.fi">Laura.Lofberg@uta.fi</a>></blockquote
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<blockquote><br>
<blockquote>Could someone with a better memory help me?<br>
<br>
If I remember correctly, someone has said 'a word has as many meanings
as a lexicographer cares to perceive' or something like that. Does
anyone remember the exact wording? And who has made this brilliant
comment, where and when?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Laura Löfberg<br>
University of Tampere<br>
Finland<br>
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