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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Mary Elaine - Added note: perhaps you
meant that “we” forms the kernel for any cooperative group, however
large it gets? That seems to be my own interpretation of “we”
– that it is extensible ad nauseam if not infinitum. I
suppose a combiner that designates cooperative groups might do the job also. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Rich</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Rich Cooper<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>EnglishLogicKernel.com</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Califf, Mary
Elaine [mailto:mecalif@ilstu.edu] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 10, 2011
3:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Rich Cooper; John F. Sowa<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> David Eddy; corpora@uib.no<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Corpora-List]
describing languages as [link]-[sem]-[morphsyn]tripplets...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>“We”
certainly doesn’t seem to me to be a primitive. Consider
Malay/Indonesian, where two distinct words (“kami” and
“kita”) are used for two different meanings of English
“we.” Interestingly enough, a generic word for you with no
additional limitations/connotations (“anda”) was added to the
language top-down because there really wasn’t a word in the language that
meant just “you.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Mary Elaine Califf,
PhD<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Acting Director<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'> Technology<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Illinois</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>mecalif@ilstu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
corpora-bounces@uib.no [mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Rich Cooper<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 10, 2011
5:19 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'John F. Sowa'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'David Eddy'; corpora@uib.no<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Corpora-List]
describing languages as [link]-[sem]-[morphsyn]tripplets...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Thanks for the so typically excellent material so typical of you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>You wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I believe there are no primitives that are truly
primitive<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>in the sense that they cannot be analyzed in different
ways<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>by different adults with different biases.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>How would you otherwise account for the concept of I? You? We?
HeSheIt?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Still convinced on SOME primitives,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-Rich<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Rich Cooper<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>EnglishLogicKernel.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John F. Sowa [mailto:sowa@bestweb.net] <br>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:02 PM<br>
To: Rich Cooper<br>
Cc: corpora@uib.no; 'David Eddy'<br>
Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] describing languages as [link]-[sem]-[morphsyn]
tripplets...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>On 1/9/2011 3:05 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> is there somewhere I can find [Masterman's] 100 concept types<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> and the 15,000 entries?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Following is a review I wrote of a volume of Margaret Masterman's<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>collected papers, edited by Yorick Wilks:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/mmb_rev.htm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Review of _Language, Cohesion and Form_<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>You can buy the paperback from Amazon for $24.90, or you can browse<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the Google books version for free.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Yorick adopted Masterman's primitives as a basis for his early<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>version of preference semantics. Following is a paper he wrote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>on that topic in 1975:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> http://acl.ldc.upenn.edu/T/T75/T75-2009.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Primitives and Words<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>But that is over 35 years old. Following is a list of his<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>more recent publications:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>
http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/Y.Wilks/papers.html<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> The requirement for proper interpretation is that each of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> N words be defined in terms of some others, or said word be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> individually interpretable, in a way that fits the quirks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> and angles of the English language as used by a young person,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> with little world knowledge other than what has been directly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> experienced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>Children don't start with primitives. They start with complex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>concepts like Mommy, doggie, cookie, and gimme. The so-called<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>primitives are the result of analysis by adults who have learned<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>how to write dissertations about language.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>I believe there are no primitives that are truly primitive<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>in the sense that they cannot be analyzed in different ways<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>by different adults with different biases.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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