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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“We” certainly doesn’t seem to me to be a primitive. Consider Malay/Indonesian, where two distinct words (“kami” and “kita”) are used for two different meanings of English “we.” Interestingly enough, a generic word for you with no additional limitations/connotations (“anda”) was added to the language top-down because there really wasn’t a word in the language that meant just “you.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mary Elaine Califf, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Acting Director<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>School of Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Illinois State University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mecalif@ilstu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> corpora-bounces@uib.no [mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rich Cooper<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 10, 2011 5:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'John F. Sowa'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'David Eddy'; corpora@uib.no<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Corpora-List] describing languages as [link]-[sem]-[morphsyn]tripplets...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks for the so typically excellent material so typical of you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>You wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>I believe there are no primitives that are truly primitive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>in the sense that they cannot be analyzed in different ways<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>by different adults with different biases.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>How would you otherwise account for the concept of I? You? We? HeSheIt?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Still convinced on SOME primitives,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-Rich<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Rich Cooper<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>EnglishLogicKernel.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: John F. Sowa [mailto:sowa@bestweb.net] <br>Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:02 PM<br>To: Rich Cooper<br>Cc: corpora@uib.no; 'David Eddy'<br>Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] describing languages as [link]-[sem]-[morphsyn] tripplets...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 1/9/2011 3:05 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> is there somewhere I can find [Masterman's] 100 concept types<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> and the 15,000 entries?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Following is a review I wrote of a volume of Margaret Masterman's<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>collected papers, edited by Yorick Wilks:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/mmb_rev.htm<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Review of _Language, Cohesion and Form_<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>You can buy the paperback from Amazon for $24.90, or you can browse<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>the Google books version for free.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Yorick adopted Masterman's primitives as a basis for his early<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>version of preference semantics. Following is a paper he wrote<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>on that topic in 1975:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> http://acl.ldc.upenn.edu/T/T75/T75-2009.pdf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Primitives and Words<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>But that is over 35 years old. Following is a list of his<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>more recent publications:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/Y.Wilks/papers.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The requirement for proper interpretation is that each of the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> N words be defined in terms of some others, or said word be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> individually interpretable, in a way that fits the quirks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> and angles of the English language as used by a young person,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> with little world knowledge other than what has been directly<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> experienced.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Children don't start with primitives. They start with complex<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>concepts like Mommy, doggie, cookie, and gimme. The so-called<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>primitives are the result of analysis by adults who have learned<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>how to write dissertations about language.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I believe there are no primitives that are truly primitive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>in the sense that they cannot be analyzed in different ways<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>by different adults with different biases.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>John<o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:gray' align=center></div><p class=avgcert>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3371 - Release Date: 01/10/11<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>