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    Now I am pushed to reply.<br>
    <br>
    I am a frequent blind reviewer. I see an amazing amount of rubbish
    which ought never to have been submitted to a journal. I follow my
    doctoral students closely and help them with their papers, which is
    why I get angry when inundated by bad papers which a supervisor
    should have stopped. If the Humanities is in any danger, it is
    because of a caring-sharing tendency that refuses to demand clearly
    structured and thought out work. A bad paper takes much more time to
    review than a good one.<br>
    <br>
    Blind review may not be the answer to all, but it does keep journals
    at a decent standard. As a reviewer, I always send detailed
    comments, and have seen many bad papers become good ones. Rather
    than complaining about reviewers, it might be worth looking at
    appauling supervisors who do not fulful their duty in guiding
    students to a good publication.<br>
    <br>
    It is not for me to name and shame, but I can guess the universities
    that are the source of some papers, and thus the supervisors who are
    letting rubblish through.<br>
    <br>
    I once got caught out when the writer took an educated guess at who
    I was. I never admitted to being a reviewer, but was clearly
    expected to rewrite his thesis. Doing a review job for free is one
    thing, doing the job of bad supervisors is another.<br>
    <br>
    I essentially review for two journals and several major conferences,
    I am proud of the quality standard of all, and it comes from blind
    review and the excellent review editors with whom I work.<br>
    <br>
    We have all come up against pig ignorant (an insult as pigs are very
    pleasant and intelligent animals, and I would rather share a pint
    with a pig than many colleagues), but the quality standard is
    maintained by the great majority who give their time freely to help
    guide others. Oversized conferences encourage bad reviewing as time
    is of the essence, and the quaity variable in the extreme. Do not
    tarnish all events with the same briush.<br>
    <br>
    Do not let the blind lead the blind reveiwers astray, and two is
    always better than one.<br>
    <br>
    Geoffrey<br>
    <br>
    Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not
    remember? Mark 8. 18. King James, of course.<br>
    <br>
    Le 01/10/2011 12:32, Anil Singh a écrit :
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEoph7F_LiVRmdafjXW_c8=KgrNUeHsyymaLSNPNc+m9P0L2XQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div>As some academicians/researchers I have respect for have
        expressed opinions which I believe to be right and which I have
        been writing about on my blog and elsewhere (apart from arguing
        for them in conversations), I dare to chip in and say my bit.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>When I had entered this area and was thinking of submitting
        my first paper (around 2003-2004) and I found out that reviewing
        will be blind, I was delighted. I was a nobody (a graduate
        student) from a developing country (India, but not even from one
        of the IITs and not with a very good pedigree), I thought double
        blind reviewing will be definitely more fair for people like me.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>My experience since then has completely disabused me of that
        naive idea. While it may not be possible to exactly identify the
        author(s) of the paper, one does get enough information (and
        meta-information) that is more than enough to trigger all the
        prejudices, biases etc. that blind reviewing is supposed to be
        an antidote against. This happens in almost all the cases.
        Needless to add that there can be exceptions.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>You can, of course, give numerous counter-examples from cases
        where no bias or prejudice is likely anyway or is very unlikely.
        But those examples are not the ones that matter here.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>As far as I am concerned, if you can just identify the fact
        that the author is from India, that alone removes at least half
        of the supposed effectiveness of the idea of double blind
        reviewing. And if you work on Indian languages and do certain
        kind of work, it's a no-brainer.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Then there can be things like whether the author is just a
        student or an established researcher, whether the project is
        funded or non-funded, whether the language is that of a native
        speaker or not etc. These are the very things that double blind
        reviewing is supposed to guard against, but it simply can't. It
        just can't and I am sorry that it can't. Theoretically the idea
        still appeals to me, but may be like many other theoretically
        good things, it is not practically implementable.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I especially like Yorick's comment about undignified
        gymnastics that one is required to perform to hide one's
        identity. It even lowers the academic quality of the paper quite
        often because you can't add information that is very relevant.
        And I am totally in favour of the reviewer taking responsibility
        for his comments. I have a corpus of reviews and some of the
        comments simply make one embarrassed that academicians (which
        one is too) can behave like that -- and that too in writing.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>One of the things that has always left me wondering (to put
        it lightly) is the fact that the conduct of academicians during
        the actual meetings, i.e., paper presentations, panel
        discussions etc. is so exceedingly civilized (for want of a
        better word) that I sometimes feel out of place there (coming
        from a chaotic third world country and being disordered
        personally). But a lot of the same academicians, when they
        blind-review a paper, behave like bullies, vigilantes or just
        plain hooligans. Fortunately, their number is still a minority.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Of course, like everyone else, I have received wonderful
        (even if very critical) reviews. But that can happen even with
        non-blind reviewing. Just read literary supplements of papers
        that take literature seriously.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>To conclude, I would just say that if for nothing else, at
        least to maintain the basic dignity of the academic community
        and of individual academicians, it would be best if we switch to
        a reviewing process that does not pretend to be blind and where
        reviewers take responsibility for their comments.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I am agnostic about whether extended abstracts should be
        reviewed or full papers. Both seem to have their merits. For a
        conference like LREC, extended abstracts do seem better to me,
        though I won't fight for that (borrowing a phrase from review
        forms).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I hope am not doing anything wrong by adding this link here:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://reviewscontd.org/">http://reviewscontd.org/</a></div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Yassine
        Benajiba <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:benajibayassine@gmail.com">benajibayassine@gmail.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
          padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"> Hi
          everyone,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I say let's judge the conference by the results. LREC is
            an awesome conference constantly improving year after year.
            Even though it would be great if somebody from the
            organizing committee could join this conversation and tell
            us a bit more about the reasons.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Best,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <font color="#888888">
            <div>--Yassine.</div>
          </font>
          <div><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div>
                <div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric
                  Ringger <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ringger@cs.byu.edu" target="_blank">ringger@cs.byu.edu</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks to
                            all for the open discussion.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Graeme’s
                            reason (1)(a) – the impact on merit review –
                            is for me the strongest reason to encourage
                            LREC to move away from reviewing extended
                            abstracts and toward reviewing full papers.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best,</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--Eric </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              125);"> </span></a></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                  style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                                style="font-size: 10pt;"> Graeme Hirst
                                [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:gh@cs.toronto.edu"
                                  target="_blank">gh@cs.toronto.edu</a>]
                                <br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 30, 2011
                                11:02 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Yorick Wilks<br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> Eric Ringger; <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:corpora@uib.no"
                                  target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Corpora-List] why
                                LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?</span></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Yorick,</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">(1)  Whether a
                                conference is reviewed by abstract or by
                                full paper makes an enormous difference:</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">   (a) to merit, as
                                perceived by tenure committees, granting
                                agencies, and others, who count only
                                fully peer-reviewed papers.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">   (b) to funding for
                                travel.  Right now, one of my colleagues
                                has the problem that he cannot be funded
                                to travel to give a paper at LREC
                                because it isn't a fully-reviewed
                                conference, so he doesn't even bother
                                submitting.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">You might say that
                                these situations aren't desirable, but
                                they are nonetheless reality right now.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">(2)  I wonder how you
                                are so sure that you almost invariably
                                identify the author of an anonymous
                                paper correctly.  If the paper is not
                                ultimately accepted at the conference,
                                which is 60 to 80% of them at ACL and
                                COLING conferences, you will never find
                                out who the authors actually are.  I've
                                certainly guessed wrongly in the past.
                                 And in my own papers, I often throw in
                                "hidden signals" to deceive the
                                reviewers.</p>
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">(3)  I think Eric
                                Ringger is 100% right about LREC.  As
                                you say, LREC's reputation and quality
                                have grown, and for that reason it has
                                to start acting like a grown-up
                                conference.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Graeme</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
                                12pt;">--<br>
                                ::::  Graeme Hirst<br>
                                ::::  University of Toronto * Department
                                of Computer Science</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> On 2011-09-30, at
                                  11:27, Yorick Wilks wrote:</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                <br>
                              </p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">I disagree
                                  strongly. I dont see why all
                                  conferences should be exactly like all
                                  others. Extended abstracts are less of
                                  a burden on busy academics --both as
                                  writers and reviewers----and there is
                                  no evidence they lower the final
                                  quality; COLING used to do this and I
                                  am sorry it changed. The whole
                                  blind-review business is a huge
                                  nonsense: I rarely meet a paper to
                                  review where i cannot identify the
                                  authors from a careful trawl of hidden
                                  signals and the references. Trying to
                                  make a paper genuinely anonymous is
                                  almost impossible if one has a body of
                                  past work and publication to link it
                                  to---the mental gymnastics required
                                  are undignified and best avoided.
                                  LRECs reputation has grown steadily
                                  and it will be the quality of its
                                  papers that sustain it--there is no
                                  evidence at all anonymity would
                                  improve matters in the least. if it
                                  ain't broke........</p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Yorick Wilks</p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 30 Sep
                                        2011, at 16:02, Eric Ringger
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Greetings.</span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">LREC

                                            has been operated in this
                                            manner since its inception. 
                                            Personally and for the sake
                                            of LREC’s reputation, I
                                            would like to see the
                                            reviewing process for LREC
                                            upgraded to double-blind
                                            review.</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
                                            believe that LREC fills a
                                            couple of important niches:
                                            its focus on language
                                            resources and
                                            evaluation/validation is
                                            important and not well
                                            served elsewhere, and it
                                            does a good job of bringing
                                            a large, diverse group
                                            together.  (I should add
                                            that it does a good job of
                                            selecting attractive venues
                                            as well!)  If implemented
                                            well, I believe that
                                            double-blind review would
                                            not detract from the primary
                                            objectives of the conference
                                            but would refine the quality
                                            of the program and improve
                                            the reputation of the
                                            venue.  I have said as much
                                            in private feedback after
                                            past LRECs.</span></p>
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                                            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
                                            also think it is time for
                                            LREC to move up from
                                            reviewing extended abstracts
                                            to reviewing full papers.</span></p>
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;"><a
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href="mailto:[mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no]" target="_blank">[mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no]</a><span> </span><b>On

                                                  Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Isabella

                                                Chiari<br>
                                                <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday,

                                                September 30, 2011 8:45
                                                AM<br>
                                                <b>To:</b><span> </span><a
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                                                <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Corpora-List]

                                                why LREC2012 NOT
                                                blind-reviewed?</span></p>
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                                              Corpora members,</span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <span
                                              style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                              color: black;">I just
                                              noticed that the LREC2012
                                              call specifies that
                                              submissions are NOT
                                              anonymous and there will
                                              not be blind-reviewing.</span></p>
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                                              style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                              color: black;">Does anyone
                                              know why? Which is the
                                              policy under this
                                              decision?</span></p>
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                                              style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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                                              regards,</span></p>
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                                              Chiari</span></p>
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