<div>As some academicians/researchers I have respect for have expressed opinions which I believe to be right and which I have been writing about on my blog and elsewhere (apart from arguing for them in conversations), I dare to chip in and say my bit.</div>
<div><br></div><div>When I had entered this area and was thinking of submitting my first paper (around 2003-2004) and I found out that reviewing will be blind, I was delighted. I was a nobody (a graduate student) from a developing country (India, but not even from one of the IITs and not with a very good pedigree), I thought double blind reviewing will be definitely more fair for people like me.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My experience since then has completely disabused me of that naive idea. While it may not be possible to exactly identify the author(s) of the paper, one does get enough information (and meta-information) that is more than enough to trigger all the prejudices, biases etc. that blind reviewing is supposed to be an antidote against. This happens in almost all the cases. Needless to add that there can be exceptions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You can, of course, give numerous counter-examples from cases where no bias or prejudice is likely anyway or is very unlikely. But those examples are not the ones that matter here.</div><div><br></div>
<div>As far as I am concerned, if you can just identify the fact that the author is from India, that alone removes at least half of the supposed effectiveness of the idea of double blind reviewing. And if you work on Indian languages and do certain kind of work, it's a no-brainer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Then there can be things like whether the author is just a student or an established researcher, whether the project is funded or non-funded, whether the language is that of a native speaker or not etc. These are the very things that double blind reviewing is supposed to guard against, but it simply can't. It just can't and I am sorry that it can't. Theoretically the idea still appeals to me, but may be like many other theoretically good things, it is not practically implementable.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I especially like Yorick's comment about undignified gymnastics that one is required to perform to hide one's identity. It even lowers the academic quality of the paper quite often because you can't add information that is very relevant. And I am totally in favour of the reviewer taking responsibility for his comments. I have a corpus of reviews and some of the comments simply make one embarrassed that academicians (which one is too) can behave like that -- and that too in writing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>One of the things that has always left me wondering (to put it lightly) is the fact that the conduct of academicians during the actual meetings, i.e., paper presentations, panel discussions etc. is so exceedingly civilized (for want of a better word) that I sometimes feel out of place there (coming from a chaotic third world country and being disordered personally). But a lot of the same academicians, when they blind-review a paper, behave like bullies, vigilantes or just plain hooligans. Fortunately, their number is still a minority.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Of course, like everyone else, I have received wonderful (even if very critical) reviews. But that can happen even with non-blind reviewing. Just read literary supplements of papers that take literature seriously.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To conclude, I would just say that if for nothing else, at least to maintain the basic dignity of the academic community and of individual academicians, it would be best if we switch to a reviewing process that does not pretend to be blind and where reviewers take responsibility for their comments.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am agnostic about whether extended abstracts should be reviewed or full papers. Both seem to have their merits. For a conference like LREC, extended abstracts do seem better to me, though I won't fight for that (borrowing a phrase from review forms).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I hope am not doing anything wrong by adding this link here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://reviewscontd.org/">http://reviewscontd.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Yassine Benajiba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benajibayassine@gmail.com">benajibayassine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; ">
Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>I say let's judge the conference by the results. LREC is an awesome conference constantly improving year after year. Even though it would be great if somebody from the organizing committee could join this conversation and tell us a bit more about the reasons.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>--Yassine.</div></font><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric Ringger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ringger@cs.byu.edu" target="_blank">ringger@cs.byu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div></div><div class="h5"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks to all for the open discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Graeme’s reason (1)(a) – the impact on merit review – is for me the strongest reason to encourage LREC to move away from reviewing extended abstracts and toward reviewing full papers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">--Eric <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="132bd095fa86333e_132bcb56d38f5ba9__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Graeme Hirst [mailto:<a href="mailto:gh@cs.toronto.edu" target="_blank">gh@cs.toronto.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 30, 2011 11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yorick Wilks<br><b>Cc:</b> Eric Ringger; <a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Corpora-List] why LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<div><div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yorick,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(1) Whether a conference is reviewed by abstract or by full paper makes an enormous difference:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (a) to merit, as perceived by tenure committees, granting agencies, and others, who count only fully peer-reviewed papers.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (b) to funding for travel. Right now, one of my colleagues has the problem that he cannot be funded to travel to give a paper at LREC because it isn't a fully-reviewed conference, so he doesn't even bother submitting.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You might say that these situations aren't desirable, but they are nonetheless reality right now.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(2) I wonder how you are so sure that you almost invariably identify the author of an anonymous paper correctly. If the paper is not ultimately accepted at the conference, which is 60 to 80% of them at ACL and COLING conferences, you will never find out who the authors actually are. I've certainly guessed wrongly in the past. And in my own papers, I often throw in "hidden signals" to deceive the reviewers.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(3) I think Eric Ringger is 100% right about LREC. As you say, LREC's reputation and quality have grown, and for that reason it has to start acting like a grown-up conference.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Graeme<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">--<br>:::: Graeme Hirst<br>:::: University of Toronto * Department of Computer Science<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
On 2011-09-30, at 11:27, Yorick Wilks wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I disagree strongly. I dont see why all conferences should be exactly like all others. Extended abstracts are less of a burden on busy academics --both as writers and reviewers----and there is no evidence they lower the final quality; COLING used to do this and I am sorry it changed. The whole blind-review business is a huge nonsense: I rarely meet a paper to review where i cannot identify the authors from a careful trawl of hidden signals and the references. Trying to make a paper genuinely anonymous is almost impossible if one has a body of past work and publication to link it to---the mental gymnastics required are undignified and best avoided. LRECs reputation has grown steadily and it will be the quality of its papers that sustain it--there is no evidence at all anonymity would improve matters in the least. if it ain't broke........<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Yorick Wilks<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:02, Eric Ringger wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Greetings.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">LREC has been operated in this manner since its inception. Personally and for the sake of LREC’s reputation, I would like to see the reviewing process for LREC upgraded to double-blind review.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I believe that LREC fills a couple of important niches: its focus on language resources and evaluation/validation is important and not well served elsewhere, and it does a good job of bringing a large, diverse group together. (I should add that it does a good job of selecting attractive venues as well!) If implemented well, I believe that double-blind review would not detract from the primary objectives of the conference but would refine the quality of the program and improve the reputation of the venue. I have said as much in private feedback after past LRECs.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I also think it is time for LREC to move up from reviewing extended abstracts to reviewing full papers.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">--Eric</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora-bounces@uib.no</a><span> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no]" target="_blank">[mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no]</a><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Isabella Chiari<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday, September 30, 2011 8:45 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Corpora-List] why LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dear Corpora members,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I just noticed that the LREC2012 call specifies that submissions are NOT anonymous and there will not be blind-reviewing.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Does anyone know why? Which is the policy under this decision?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Isabella Chiari</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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