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The man speaks sense!<div><br><div>There are inevitably problems, just teachers sometimes forget there's a student behind every paper they grade and let emotions and fatigue overwhelm them. But most reviewers do genuinely, I think, try to be helpful and encouraging whether they recommend acceptance or not. They've (we've) all had papers rejected and know how killing a misplaced word can be.</div><div><br></div><div>But the system works better in some cultures than others. An interesting and illuminating paper:</div><div><ul><li><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR;mso-bidi-language:
AR-SA">Cheung, Y. L. 2010. First publications in refereed English journals:
difficulties, coping strategies, and recommendations for student training. <i>System</i>,
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
FR;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">38(1): 134-141.</span></li></ul>
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In this thread people have said;<br>"the reviewers make linguistics not brilliant",<br>"when they blind-review a paper, behave like bullies, vigilantes or<br>just plain hooligans."<br>"it would be best if we switch to a reviewing process ... where<br>reviewers take responsibility for their comments."<br><br>It seems to me that reviewers are just peers who have been asked to<br>volunteer their service to a conference/journal by the editor/chair.<br>They accept the request because they feel it helps the<br>conference/journal in some way, and they attempt to the best of their<br>abilities to provide a balanced judgement on the merits of the papers<br>they are reviewing. For a good conference/journal, usually two<br>reviewers are asked to submit their opinions, and almost always, the<br>editor/chair will have the final say on whether or not to accept the<br>reviews or seek advice of a third or fourth reviewer. Obviously, there<br>will be times when the reviews will be of lower quality than desired.<br>But the entire process is designed to avoid these making an impact on<br>the final decision to accept/reject a paper.<br><br>Of course, not all reviewers will be "brilliant". And, few would ever<br>claim to be so. They are *peers*, doing peer reviews. If the author<br>does not accept the review they almost always have the ability to<br>respond to the review, explaining where they see its faults. And, if<br>reviewers acted like "bullies, vigilantes or just plain hooligans",<br>editors/chairs would very quickly stop asking them to review work.<br>Finally, I'm sure that most reviewers consider very carefully the<br>responsibility they have, and they certainly take responsibility for<br>their comments because they submit them openly to the journal<br>editor/conference chair (even if their names are ultimately hidden to<br>the author). They do not hide behind user names, IDs, or avatars. As<br>Michal writes, they allow their names to appear on the<br>conference/journal website or in the proceedings.<br><br>Saying all this, if there is such animosity to reviewers and most<br>peers feel they are unintelligent, irresponsible bullies, vigilantes,<br>and hooligans, I'm sure reviewers would be quite happy to stop<br>providing their *voluntary service*. But, I would imagine that the<br>loss to the conferences/journals would be much greater than the gains<br>they would make.<br><br>On the point of the double blind review system, it is certainly not<br>perfect. But, arguing for a completely open system that invites all<br>kinds of biases, simply because the current system does not work<br>perfectly, seems rather odd. Are people arguing that allowing both<br>authors and reviewers to know the names of each other will lead to a<br>fairer system? If so, is there any evidence for this? I haven't<br>checked the history but would expect that the double blind review<br>system was introduced *precisely because* of the problems of an open<br>system.<br><br>I am not sure why LREC2012 has made the decision it has. I would be<br>very interested to hear how their revised system will improve the<br>conference.<br><br>Laurence Anthony<br>(taking full responsibility for my comments even if they are not the most<br>brilliant in the world!)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Michal Ptaszynski<br><michal.ptaszynski@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> Just two humble cents from me.<br>> I'm sure most of us, even those strongly against double blind reviewing,<br>> remember or at least realize why this process was introduced.<br>> The fact is many people DO send many crappy papers, often re-sending<br>> exactly the same crap simultaneously to many conferences. If blind<br>> reviewing can flush at least some of this, and improve the world of<br>> science even in 1/100 of a percent, I wouldn't vote against it.<br>><br>> Although what I would really like to have (and I think it is feasible) is<br>> a system telling me more-less if the paper is a candidate for a crap or a<br>> reliable piece of work.<br>><br>> Also a word about the reviewers being hidden behind the curtain. This is<br>> not exactly true, since the list of all reviewers is always available on<br>> the conference homepage (and the list of sub-reviewers is sometimes also<br>> added in the proceedings). If you spent some time in the field you can<br>> more less guess who does things similar to you and can narrow down the<br>> list of your potential reviewers (so its very much like with guessing the<br>> paper authors).<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> Michal<br>><br>> -----------------------------------<br>> Od: Anil Singh <anil.phdcl@gmail.com><br>> Kopia dla: corpora@uib.no, Yorick Wilks <Y.Wilks@dcs.shef.ac.uk><br>> Do: Yassine Benajiba <benajibayassine@gmail.com><br>> Data: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:02:56 +0530<br>> Temat: Re: [Corpora-List] why LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?<br>><br>> As some academicians/researchers I have respect for have expressed<br>> opinions which I believe to be right and which I have been writing about<br>> on my blog and elsewhere (apart from arguing for them in conversations), I<br>> dare to chip in and say my bit.<br>><br>> When I had entered this area and was thinking of submitting my first paper<br>> (around 2003-2004) and I found out that reviewing will be blind, I was<br>> delighted. I was a nobody (a graduate student) from a developing country<br>> (India, but not even from one of the IITs and not with a very good<br>> pedigree), I thought double blind reviewing will be definitely more fair<br>> for people like me.<br>><br>> My experience since then has completely disabused me of that naive idea.<br>> While it may not be possible to exactly identify the author(s) of the<br>> paper, one does get enough information (and meta-information) that is more<br>> than enough to trigger all the prejudices, biases etc. that blind<br>> reviewing is supposed to be an antidote against. This happens in almost<br>> all the cases. Needless to add that there can be exceptions.<br>><br>> You can, of course, give numerous counter-examples from cases where no<br>> bias or prejudice is likely anyway or is very unlikely. But those examples<br>> are not the ones that matter here.<br>><br>> As far as I am concerned, if you can just identify the fact that the<br>> author is from India, that alone removes at least half of the supposed<br>> effectiveness of the idea of double blind reviewing. And if you work on<br>> Indian languages and do certain kind of work, it's a no-brainer.<br>><br>> Then there can be things like whether the author is just a student or an<br>> established researcher, whether the project is funded or non-funded,<br>> whether the language is that of a native speaker or not etc. These are the<br>> very things that double blind reviewing is supposed to guard against, but<br>> it simply can't. It just can't and I am sorry that it can't. Theoretically<br>> the idea still appeals to me, but may be like many other theoretically<br>> good things, it is not practically implementable.<br>><br>> I especially like Yorick's comment about undignified gymnastics that one<br>> is required to perform to hide one's identity. It even lowers the academic<br>> quality of the paper quite often because you can't add information that is<br>> very relevant. And I am totally in favour of the reviewer taking<br>> responsibility for his comments. I have a corpus of reviews and some of<br>> the comments simply make one embarrassed that academicians (which one is<br>> too) can behave like that -- and that too in writing.<br>><br>> One of the things that has always left me wondering (to put it lightly) is<br>> the fact that the conduct of academicians during the actual meetings,<br>> i.e., paper presentations, panel discussions etc. is so exceedingly<br>> civilized (for want of a better word) that I sometimes feel out of place<br>> there (coming from a chaotic third world country and being disordered<br>> personally). But a lot of the same academicians, when they blind-review a<br>> paper, behave like bullies, vigilantes or just plain hooligans.<br>> Fortunately, their number is still a minority.<br>><br>> Of course, like everyone else, I have received wonderful (even if very<br>> critical) reviews. But that can happen even with non-blind reviewing. Just<br>> read literary supplements of papers that take literature seriously.<br>><br>> To conclude, I would just say that if for nothing else, at least to<br>> maintain the basic dignity of the academic community and of individual<br>> academicians, it would be best if we switch to a reviewing process that<br>> does not pretend to be blind and where reviewers take responsibility for<br>> their comments.<br>><br>> I am agnostic about whether extended abstracts should be reviewed or full<br>> papers. Both seem to have their merits. For a conference like LREC,<br>> extended abstracts do seem better to me, though I won't fight for that<br>> (borrowing a phrase from review forms).<br>><br>> I hope am not doing anything wrong by adding this link here:<br>><br>> http://reviewscontd.org/<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Yassine Benajiba<br>> <benajibayassine@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> Hi everyone,<br>><br>> I say let's judge the conference by the results. LREC is an awesome<br>> conference constantly improving year after year. Even though it would be<br>> great if somebody from the organizing committee could join this<br>> conversation and tell us a bit more about the reasons.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> --Yassine.<br>><br>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric Ringger <ringger@cs.byu.edu> wrote:<br>> Thanks to all for the open discussion.<br>><br>> Graeme’s reason (1)(a) – the impact on merit review – is for me the<br>> strongest reason to encourage LREC to move away from reviewing extended<br>> abstracts and toward reviewing full papers.<br>><br>> Best,<br>> --Eric<br>><br>> From: Graeme Hirst [mailto:gh@cs.toronto.edu]<br>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:02 AM<br>> To: Yorick Wilks<br>> Cc: Eric Ringger; corpora@uib.no<br>> Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] why LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?<br>><br>> Yorick,<br>><br>> (1) Whether a conference is reviewed by abstract or by full paper makes<br>> an enormous difference:<br>><br>> (a) to merit, as perceived by tenure committees, granting agencies, and<br>> others, who count only fully peer-reviewed papers.<br>> (b) to funding for travel. Right now, one of my colleagues has the<br>> problem that he cannot be funded to travel to give a paper at LREC because<br>> it isn't a fully-reviewed conference, so he doesn't even bother submitting.<br>><br>> You might say that these situations aren't desirable, but they are<br>> nonetheless reality right now.<br>><br>> (2) I wonder how you are so sure that you almost invariably identify the<br>> author of an anonymous paper correctly. If the paper is not ultimately<br>> accepted at the conference, which is 60 to 80% of them at ACL and COLING<br>> conferences, you will never find out who the authors actually are. I've<br>> certainly guessed wrongly in the past. And in my own papers, I often<br>> throw in "hidden signals" to deceive the reviewers.<br>><br>> (3) I think Eric Ringger is 100% right about LREC. As you say, LREC's<br>> reputation and quality have grown, and for that reason it has to start<br>> acting like a grown-up conference.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> Graeme<br>><br>> --<br>> :::: Graeme Hirst<br>> :::: University of Toronto * Department of Computer Science<br>><br>> On 2011-09-30, at 11:27, Yorick Wilks wrote:<br>><br>><br>> I disagree strongly. I dont see why all conferences should be exactly like<br>> all others. Extended abstracts are less of a burden on busy academics<br>> --both as writers and reviewers----and there is no evidence they lower the<br>> final quality; COLING used to do this and I am sorry it changed. The whole<br>> blind-review business is a huge nonsense: I rarely meet a paper to review<br>> where i cannot identify the authors from a careful trawl of hidden signals<br>> and the references. Trying to make a paper genuinely anonymous is almost<br>> impossible if one has a body of past work and publication to link it<br>> to---the mental gymnastics required are undignified and best avoided.<br>> LRECs reputation has grown steadily and it will be the quality of its<br>> papers that sustain it--there is no evidence at all anonymity would<br>> improve matters in the least. if it ain't broke........<br>> Yorick Wilks<br>><br>><br>> On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:02, Eric Ringger wrote:<br>><br>><br>> Greetings.<br>><br>> LREC has been operated in this manner since its inception. Personally and<br>> for the sake of LREC’s reputation, I would like to see the reviewing<br>> process for LREC upgraded to double-blind review.<br>><br>> I believe that LREC fills a couple of important niches: its focus on<br>> language resources and evaluation/validation is important and not well<br>> served elsewhere, and it does a good job of bringing a large, diverse<br>> group together. (I should add that it does a good job of selecting<br>> attractive venues as well!) If implemented well, I believe that<br>> double-blind review would not detract from the primary objectives of the<br>> conference but would refine the quality of the program and improve the<br>> reputation of the venue. I have said as much in private feedback after<br>> past LRECs.<br>><br>> I also think it is time for LREC to move up from reviewing extended<br>> abstracts to reviewing full papers.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> --Eric<br>><br>><br>> From: corpora-bounces@uib.no [mailto:corpora-bounces@uib.no] On Behalf Of<br>> Isabella Chiari<br>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:45 AM<br>> To: corpora@uib.no<br>> Subject: [Corpora-List] why LREC2012 NOT blind-reviewed?<br>><br>> Dear Corpora members,<br>> I just noticed that the LREC2012 call specifies that submissions are NOT<br>> anonymous and there will not be blind-reviewing.<br>><br>> Does anyone know why? Which is the policy under this decision?<br>> Best regards,<br>> Isabella Chiari<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora<br>> Corpora mailing list<br>> Corpora@uib.no<br>> http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora<br>> Corpora mailing list<br>> Corpora@uib.no<br>> http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora<br>> Corpora mailing list<br>> Corpora@uib.no<br>> http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora<br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora<br>Corpora mailing list<br>Corpora@uib.no<br>http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora<br></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>