<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Dear all,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>regarding who is most likely to profit ungainly from non-openness, I absolutely agree! <br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I'm not sure about whether lists of rejected papers should be published. But again, I think we should make area chairs public, and I like the idea of having review letters for positions made public.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Best,</span></div><div><span> Thomas</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></b> "Krishnamurthy, Ramesh"
<r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b> "corpora@uib.no" <corpora@uib.no><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> 12:07 Dienstag, 18.Oktober 2011 <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted and unaccepyed papers<br></font><br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv355577394">
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">> “Of course, openness does not make abuse impossible”</div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">Possibly not, but it might act as a deterrent? What is it that we are actually afraid of here?</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">We may not be able to eliminate every individual case of abuse, but any patterns of abuse
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">would become observable and investigatable? I fear that the people protected by non-openness
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">are not in fact ‘timid early-career researchers’, but the more established people in positions of power
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">who may – on occasion – wield that power rather arbitrarily, or with insufficient diligence, or – dare we
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">acknowledge it – with some personal or intellectual bias or prejudice?</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal"> </div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">Ramesh Krishnamurthy</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">Visiting Academic Fellow, School of Languages and Social Sciences, Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoNormal">Room: NX01. Tel: 0121-204-3812. <br>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:59:32 +0200</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">From: Harald Hammarström <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:harald@bombo.se" target="_blank" href="mailto:harald@bombo.se">harald@bombo.se</a>></div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText"> and rejected papers</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">To: Laurence Anthony <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:anthony0122@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:anthony0122@gmail.com">anthony0122@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">Cc: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank" href="mailto:corpora@uib.no">corpora@uib.no</a></div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> Can you tell us all the name of an institution that publicly announces
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> the ranking of unsuccessful job applicants? Just for curiosity, I am
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> sure that many people would like to refer to this list of rejected
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> applicants just to see how many people who would apply to such an
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> insitution. I am also sure that it would be very interesting to do a
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> quick check to find out where the rejected applicants now work and see
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> how their current employer compares with the institution that rejected them.</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">> </div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">In Sweden such records are indeed public (in the sense that anyone can request copies, not in the sense that they are announced publicly in newspapers or the like). Here's an example:</div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://haraldhammarstrom.ruhosting.nl/2744_001.pdf">http://haraldhammarstrom.ruhosting.nl/2744_001.pdf</a></div>
<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://haraldhammarstrom.ruhosting.nl/2745_001.pdf">http://haraldhammarstrom.ruhosting.nl/2745_001.pdf</a></div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">There's no question that this policy makes expert reviewers be more objective. A great example is when I was in committee where one of the foreign experts hadn't understood they would be public (though this was in the instructions give
to him) and gave explicit credit to one applicant (but not the others) for his expected great future work. He later defended this by saying that he wasn't aware the review was going to be public...</div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">Of course, openness does not make abuse impossible -- for example, there is great leeway in formulating job announcements and choosing expert reviewers, and senior people who favour a certain candidate do play these cards. Another hiring
committee I was in received objections as a result of the fact that all judgements were open to all. These objections were legitimate but the committee chose to ignore them without explanation.</div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">all the best,</div>
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<div class="yiv355577394MsoPlainText">H</div>
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