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<p class="MsoPlainText">> “Isn't the danger of such a practice completely obvious?”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sorry, Laurence, but I still fail to see the obvious danger. Could you please explain?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I would argue for total transparency. We are demanding it more and more of our politicians and business<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">people. So why not academics as well? Their views are often sought by the media, so they should also be open to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">scrutiny? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> “Some people… may be rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> or journal for the very first time.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> “The thought of being listed among the rejected could be a serious deterrent to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> younger people who may have new insights into old problems.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi John – on the other hand, could transparency not actually encourage such people, if they know that decisions
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">made about their work will be placed on open record, and they will not need to agonize in private about
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">why their work was not accepted? And if their insights are valuable, such openness will give others an
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">opportunity to learn about their work earlier, so non-acceptance by a particular reviewer/editor/interview
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">panel on a particular occasion for a specific publication/post need not have the traumatic effect you suggest?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ramesh Krishnamurthy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Visiting Academic Fellow, School of Languages and Social Sciences, Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Room: NX01. Tel: 0121-204-3812. <br>
Director, ACORN (Aston Corpus Network project): <a href="http://acorn.aston.ac.uk/">
<span style="color:blue">http://acorn.aston.ac.uk/</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Corpus Analyst:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(a) GeWiss (Volkswagen Foundation) project: <a href="http://www1.aston.ac.uk/lss/research/research-projects/gewiss-spoken-academic-discourse/">
<span style="color:blue">http://www1.aston.ac.uk/lss/research/research-projects/gewiss-spoken-academic-discourse/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(b) Discourse of Climate Change: <a href="http://www1.aston.ac.uk/lss/research/research-projects/discourse-of-climate-change-project/">
<span style="color:blue">http://www1.aston.ac.uk/lss/research/research-projects/discourse-of-climate-change-project/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(c) Feminism: <a href="http://acorn.aston.ac.uk/projects.html">
<span style="color:blue">http://acorn.aston.ac.uk/projects.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(d) COMENEGO (Corpus Multilingüe de Economía y Negocios) - Multilingual Corpus of Business and Economics:
<a href="http://dti.ua.es/comenego"><span style="color:blue">http://dti.ua.es/comenego</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(e) European Phraseology Project: <a href="http://labidiomas3.ua.es/phraseology/login/login.php">
<span style="color:blue">http://labidiomas3.ua.es/phraseology/login/login.php</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Message: 5<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:57:49 +0900<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Laurence Anthony <<a href="mailto:anthony0122@gmail.com">anthony0122@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and rejected papers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: "<a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no">corpora@uib.no</a>" <<a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no">corpora@uib.no</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Krishnamurthy, Ramesh <<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk">r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Laurence<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I certainly hope that no conference/journal starts publishing lists of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">papers that they rejected! Wouldn't it be a complete breach of privacy and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> could also be lead to all kinds of problems for other<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">conferences/journals that accepted the papers?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1. I don?t see how we can have ?openness? AND ?privacy?? Perhaps Olympic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">non-medallists should be offered the same privacy, or losing football teams,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">or unsuccessful candidates in political elections?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2. Instead of ?rejected?, let us say ?not accepted? - which would cover<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">?inappropriate target audience?, ?not enough room in this particular<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">conference/journal issue?, ?too similar to another accepted contribution?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">etc, etc. Therefore, I don?t see any problems in another conference/journal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">accepting the same paper?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Following your argument for 1), do you also suggest publishing lists of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">people who were unsuccessful in job interviews at your institution? You<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">could also start publishing lists of people who applied to your university<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">but were unsuccessful. You could also publish lists of faculty who applied<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">for promotion but were unsuccessful.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Isn't the danger of such a practice completely obvious?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Laurence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Message: 6<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:22:17 -0400<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: "John F. Sowa" <<a href="mailto:sowa@bestweb.net">sowa@bestweb.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and rejected papers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no">corpora@uib.no</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 10/14/2011 4:18 PM, Krishnamurthy, Ramesh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Instead of ?rejected?, let us say ?not accepted? - which would cover<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ?inappropriate target audience?, ?not enough room in this particular<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> conference/journal issue?, ?too similar to another accepted<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> contribution? etc, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">No. I would very strongly oppose any proposal to publish a list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">of rejected papers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">There is a wide range of introverted and extroverted personalities,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">and the personality types have zero correlation with good ideas.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Some people, especially women and younger researchers, may be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">or journal for the very first time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">If they're lucky, they'll have a mentor who will encourage them<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">to submit their work for publication. But we should not create<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">unnecessary obstacles that might discourage them. The thought of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">being listed among the rejected could be a serious deterrent to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">younger people who may have new insights into old problems.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:54:39 +0100<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: "Charlotte Taylor" <<a href="mailto:Charlotte.Taylor@port.ac.uk">Charlotte.Taylor@port.ac.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] corpora-list: publishing lists of accepted<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and rejected papers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <<a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no">corpora@uib.no</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> "John F. Sowa" 15/10/11 6:25 AM >>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>Some people, especially women and younger researchers, may be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>rather timid about submitting a paper to a prestigious conference<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>or journal for the very first time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">May I timidly point out that I find that offensive?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">But, to return to the general point, I like the transparency that Ramesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">is suggesting. Also, it is not unthinkable that unsuccessful job<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">applicants should be listed, there are already places where job<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">applicants are ranked in order of how well they did in the selection<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">processes and that information is made publicly available.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Charlotte<o:p></o:p></p>
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