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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>Eric Atwell<SPAN 
style="mso-tab-count: 1">  </SPAN>started a discussion 28.2 about how 
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>vocabulary related 
to Islam figures in British dictionaries </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>and corpora. 
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT 
face=Arial>He found one word, "tajweed", which did not figure.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>But there are many 
islamic words in the dictionaries </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>and many which are 
not in the dictionaries, so I wonder</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>how the choice of 
including / excluding words is made </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>and what are the 
effect of this choice on the users?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>I tried with 
another word, "kafir" (or “kaffir”), which </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>means infidel, 
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT 
face=Arial>disbeliever, unbeliever.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>You find it in the 
online versions of Oxford English Dictionary </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>and Collins English 
Dictionary but not in Longman </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>Dicitionary of 
Contemporary English nor in British National Corpus.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>The encyclopedias 
(Britannica, Wikipedia) have it naturally.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>So why is "kafir" 
better represented than "tajweed"?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>A proposal for a solution could be 
that "kafir" is used in </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>the Qur'an many times. In Shakir's 
translation there are </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>400 hits for disbeliev.. and 
unbeliev..... For every 3 pages </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>2 has them The contrast between 
believers and </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>unbelievers is in that way basic for 
the Qur'an and </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>for its influence on the readers. 
Unbelievers are described </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>very negatively. The concept of 
"kafir" is part of the belief </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>of the 5% muslims in </SPAN><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>England</SPAN><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB> but must be known by 
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>everybody because it concerns all. 
Therefore the </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>choice of "kafir" to the 
dictionaries. “Tajweed" tells only</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB>how to recite verses from the 
Qur’an.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>But this may not be 
the only explanation of the choice</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>of including / 
excluding islamic words in dictionaries.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT 
face=Arial>Regards</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: en-gb" lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial>Otto 
Lassen</FONT></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>