<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">This is probably because humans, like all mammals, are hard-wired to focus on the new, the unusual and ignore what they think is normal."</span><br></blockquote><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Interesting, but I'd say it's actually the opposite. People like only those song which they have heard before :)</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">--</span><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Michal Ptaszynski</div></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>Dnia 29 cze 2014 o godz. 03:09 "Kevin B. Cohen" <<a href="mailto:kevin.cohen@gmail.com">kevin.cohen@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a):<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><div><div dir="ltr"><div>More from Patrick Hanks, forwarded by his permission.<br><br></div>Kev<br><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Patrick Hanks</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrick.w.hanks@gmail.com">patrick.w.hanks@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 12:59 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms "prototypical" or "prototypicality"<br>To: "Kevin B. Cohen" <<a href="mailto:kevin.cohen@gmail.com">kevin.cohen@gmail.com</a>>, Alex Boulton <<a href="mailto:alex.boulton@univ-lorraine.fr">alex.boulton@univ-lorraine.fr</a>><br>
<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello again Kevin, <br></div><br></div>As far as my tutorial at RANLP and the quotes in corpora-list are concerned, there is no contradiction, though I would not go so far as to say "it's actually the normal cases that are quite interesting." The point I want to make here is that linguists and lexicographers alike have a primary duty to develop empirically well-founded accounts of normal cases before moving on to the edges. Pre-corpus linguistics does not--cannot--do this, so it has no reliable basis for identifying edge cases and studying them. Insofar as it does not do this it is not well anchored and is unreliable. <br>
<br>& & & <br></div><div><br> <font>"<span>Prototypical, normal usage is very
easy to spot…"<br><br></span></font></div><font><span>So yes, I stand by that remark. The key word here is "spot", as opposed to "invent".<br><br></span></font><div><div><div><font><span></span><span>Laying it on with a trowel: <span>"Prototypical, normal usage is very
easy to spot in a corpus (and even in a single text), but </span></span><span><span><span>much harder to invent by consulting our intuitions: if we have learned one thing in the first thirty years of corpus linguistics, it is that intuitions are unreliable guides to what is normal. This is probably because humans, like all mammals, are hard-wired to focus on the new, the unusual and ignore what they think is normal."<br>
</span></span></span><br>& & & <br><br></font></div><div><font>Please feel free to post this email on the corpora-list discussion, if the spirit so moves you. I will copy it anyway to Alex Boulton, as I believe he would be interested. <br>
</font></div><div><font><span><span></span></span></font><div><br></div><div>Best regards, <br><br></div><div>Patrick <br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 June 2014 08:23, Kevin B. Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.cohen@gmail.com" target="_blank">kevin.cohen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi! I was surprised by the quote below from your book. One of the things that I got from your RANLP tutorial a couple of years ago was that if you sit a bunch of linguists down and ask them to come up with examples of word usages, they will tend to come up with edge cases, but it's actually the normal cases that are quite interesting. Did I misinterpret you?<br>
<br></div>Kev<br><br><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Alex Boulton</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex.boulton@univ-lorraine.fr" target="_blank">alex.boulton@univ-lorraine.fr</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 8:00 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms "prototypical" or "prototypicality"<br>To: Erin McKean <<a href="mailto:erin@logocracy.com" target="_blank">erin@logocracy.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br><br><br><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear all<div><br><div>Various bits of discussion on this in several places in Patrick's 2013 book, including around pp90-105 and 340, but it's pretty much what the whole book is about - norms (cf prototypes) not just of lexis but of pretty much any type of language use, and exploitations.</div>
<div><ul><li><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt">Hanks, P. 2013. </span><i style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt">Lexical
Analysis: Norms and Exploitations</i><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt">. Cambridge MA: MIT Press.</span></li></ul></div><div>Some great quotes too, eg p91-92 "<span style="font-size:12pt">Prototypical, normal usage is very
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<b>De: </b>"Erin McKean" <<a href="mailto:erin@logocracy.com" target="_blank">erin@logocracy.com</a>><br><b>À: </b><a href="mailto:corpora@uib.no" target="_blank">corpora@uib.no</a><br><b>Envoyé: </b>Samedi 28 Juin 2014 03:26:25<br>
<b>Objet: </b>[Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms "prototypical" or "prototypicality"<div><div class="h5"><div><div><br><br>Dear Corpora-Lers,<br><br>Does anyone have handy citations for the use of "prototypical" or <br>
"prototypicality" in corpus linguistics to mean something roughly <br>equivalent to "the most central use of a word, especially in regards to <br>referents or collocations"?<br><br>I'm thinking of the case where you describe senses of a word in an order <br>
that roughly maps to "core -- periphery" rather than historical order or <br>frequency of use. E.g. for things like "cask", the "water-tight vessel" <br>would be a more prototypical sense than the "unit of capacity for what <br>
can be held in a cask" sense.<br><br>My feeling is that this is described quite beautifully by Patrick Hanks <br>somewhere but I can't seem to find a reference!<br><br>Any help gratefully appreciated!<br><br>Yours,<br>
<br>Erin<br>---------------------<br>Erin McKean<br>@emckean/@reverb/@wordnik<br><a href="http://wordnik.com" target="_blank">wordnik.com</a><br><a href="http://helloreverb.com" target="_blank">helloreverb.com</a><br><br>
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