<div dir="ltr">Francis-<div><br></div><div>You raise some good questions, to which I would answer yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I'd like to add that from my perspective as a sociolinguistics PhD student in a US-based education program, we need to work harder on getting this message out to other applied linguists (outside of sociolinguistics), and to colleagues who work with sociology, language and literacy education in general. I've encountered these myths being taught in general education classes (e.g. uncritical presentation of the work of Lareau in<i> Unequal Childhoods) </i>and in applied linguistics classes in general. Sharing our message "across the hall" may be a good starting place to gain some traction. </div><div><br></div><div>It is helpful to point out the shortcomings of past research, but  I also think we need to form a strong, short answer to the question of "So what?" In other words, we could do better by articulating the role that language does play (in a digestible sound-byte version) in addition to debunking current myths about it. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for posting on this important topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Crissa</div><div>  </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Francis Hult <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:francis.hult@englund.lu.se" target="_blank">francis.hult@englund.lu.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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<p>These are great pieces that summarize a substantial body of work.  Yet, the public discourse continues to be dominated by one perspective.  Are we missing something about making findings like the ones discussed in these forum pieces part of public and political
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2015 20:37<div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> The Educational Linguistics List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Edling] Why Boosting Poor Children¹s Vocabulary Is Important for Public Health<br>
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<div>Yeah I saw that forum piece when it came out – very cool!  </div>
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<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>> on behalf of Eric Johnson <<a href="mailto:ejj@tricity.wsu.edu" target="_blank">ejj@tricity.wsu.edu</a>><br>
<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Reply-To: </span>The Educational Linguistics List <<a href="mailto:edling@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>><br>
<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM<br>
<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To: </span>The Educational Linguistics List <<a href="mailto:edling@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>><br>
<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Edling] Why Boosting Poor Children’s Vocabulary Is Important for Public Health<br>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman',serif">Avineri, N., et al. (2015). Invited forum: Bridging the "language gap."
<i>Journal of Linguistic Anthropology</i>, <i>25</i>(1), 66-86.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Ginsberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Educational Linguistics List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Edling] Why Boosting Poor Children’s Vocabulary Is Important for Public Health</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think they'd question the empirical basis for that claim. It's usually cited to Hart & Risley 1995, which as I mentioned is a highly flawed piece of work. Here's a thorough critical response to it:
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http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/med/LangPoor.pdf</a> There's a lot there in a relatively short article, but here's a key quote for this discussion:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many educational researchers and policy makers have generalized the findings about the language and culture of the 6 welfare families in Hart and Risley’s study to all poor families. Yet, Hart and Risley offer no compelling reason to believe
 that the poor families they studied have much in common with poor families in other communities, or even in Kansas City for that matter. The primary selection criterion for participation in this study was socioeconomic status; therefore, all the 6 welfare
 families had in common was income, a willingness to participate in the study, race (all the welfare families were Black), and geography (all lived in the Kansas City area). Families living in poverty are, however, an ethnically, linguistically, and racially
 diverse group (US Census Bureau, 2003). Strong claims about the language and culture of families living in poverty based on a sample of 6 Black welfare families living in Kansas City are unwarranted. (p. 364)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Richard Hudson <<a href="mailto:r.hudson@ucl.ac.uk" target="_blank">r.hudson@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">Johnson, E.J. (2015) Debunking the “language gap”.
<em><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif">Journal for Multicultural Education, 9</span></em>(1), 42-50.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">I wonder what perspectives list members working in different research traditions have on this topic.  What additional research findings and ideas should we be getting out to the public
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">Why Boosting Poor Children’s Vocabulary Is Important for Public Health</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">Re­search sug­gests that poor chil­dren hear about 600 words per hour, while af­flu­ent chil­dren hear 2,000. By age 4, a poor child has a listen­ing vocab­u­lary of about 3,000 words,
 while a wealth­i­er child wields a 20,000-word listen­ing vocab­u­lary. So it’s no sur­prise that poor chil­dren tend to enter kinder­garten already be­hind their wealth­i­er peers.
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">But it’s not just the poverty that holds them back—it’s the lack of words. In fact, the single-best pre­dict­or of a child’s aca­dem­ic suc­cess is not par­ent­al edu­ca­tion or so­cioeco­nom­ic
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;COLOR:black">Full story:<br>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/georgias-plan-to-close-the-30-million-word-gap-for-kids/403903/&k=EWEYHnIvm0nsSxnW5y9VIw%3D%3D%0A&r=Cvavyy6y5l8AwEV%2BI2FsI3lqVU2gAbIkqBNSweUx9jU%3D%0A&m=z2Yv9e8aOdpgvZm0L6QjO7wKGfwkm2N5D8amr4pwK%2FA%3D%0A&s=0153ee7d02cb6a4baaba3d07c409f88e8045c29d9599d31e8d9eac8296f92518" target="_blank">http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/georgias-plan-to-close-the-30-million-word-gap-for-kids/403903/</a></span></p>
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<pre><span style="COLOR:#888888">Richard Hudson (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://dickhudson.com&k=EWEYHnIvm0nsSxnW5y9VIw%3D%3D%0A&r=Cvavyy6y5l8AwEV%2BI2FsI3lqVU2gAbIkqBNSweUx9jU%3D%0A&m=z2Yv9e8aOdpgvZm0L6QjO7wKGfwkm2N5D8amr4pwK%2FA%3D%0A&s=ae4cf348db31864aa08ba4fa2a19e43ec0770d70497adce6b32f63976874fbf5" target="_blank">dickhudson.com</a>)</span></pre>
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