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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The argument would be a
great deal easier if you had evidence that there's no vocabulary
gap. And do you really want politicians to stop voting funds for
educational projects? Here in the UK we'd welcome some of that
cash. <br>
<br>
Dick<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/09/2015 14:29, Francis Hult
wrote:<br>
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<p>These are great pieces that summarize a substantial body of
work. Yet, the public discourse continues to be dominated
by one perspective. Are we missing something about making
findings like the ones discussed in these forum pieces part
of public and political consciousness? Is it because we're
talking to each other in journals instead of to citizens and
politicians in accessible books and magazine articles? Is
it because Hart & Risley suggest an easy answer while we
focus on nuances and complexity? Is it because we haven't
succeeded in making findings easy for citizens,
politicians, and educational leaders to latch onto and
translate into programs?
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<p>This just seems like one of those issues on which we have a
very strong foundation, but people are still choosing to build
somewhere swampier. Shouldn't we be able to attract more
attention?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Francis</p>
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<div><font face="Arial">Editor, Educational Linguistics book
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<div><strong>New Book:</strong> <em>Research Methods in
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>] on behalf of Peter
Sayer [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peter.sayer@utsa.edu">peter.sayer@utsa.edu</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2015 20:37<br>
<b>To:</b> The Educational Linguistics List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Edling] Why Boosting Poor Children¹s
Vocabulary Is Important for Public Health<br>
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<div>Yeah I saw that forum piece when it came out – very
cool! </div>
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<div>- peter.-</div>
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<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Reply-To: </span>The
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<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </span>Wednesday,
September 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM<br>
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<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[Edling] Why Boosting Poor Children’s Vocabulary Is
Important for Public Health<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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(attached) that was recently published in the
Journal of Linguistic Anthropology. Here’s the
cite in case the attachment doesn’t go through:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman',serif">Avineri, N., et al.
(2015). Invited forum: Bridging the "language
gap."
<i>Journal of Linguistic Anthropology</i>, <i>25</i>(1),
66-86.</span></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Ginsberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015
7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Educational Linguistics List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Edling] Why Boosting Poor
Children’s Vocabulary Is Important for Public
Health</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think they'd question the
empirical basis for that claim. It's usually
cited to Hart & Risley 1995, which as I
mentioned is a highly flawed piece of work.
Here's a thorough critical response to it:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">
http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/med/LangPoor.pdf</a> There's a
lot there in a relatively short article, but
here's a key quote for this discussion:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many educational
researchers and policy makers have generalized
the findings about the language and culture of
the 6 welfare families in Hart and Risley’s
study to all poor families. Yet, Hart and
Risley offer no compelling reason to believe
that the poor families they studied have much
in common with poor families in other
communities, or even in Kansas City for that
matter. The primary selection criterion for
participation in this study was socioeconomic
status; therefore, all the 6 welfare families
had in common was income, a willingness to
participate in the study, race (all the
welfare families were Black), and geography
(all lived in the Kansas City area). Families
living in poverty are, however, an ethnically,
linguistically, and racially diverse group (US
Census Bureau, 2003). Strong claims about the
language and culture of families living in
poverty based on a sample of 6 Black welfare
families living in Kansas City are
unwarranted. (p. 364)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--<br>
Daniel Ginsberg<br>
Doctoral candidate, Linguistics<br>
Georgetown University</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at
4:22 AM, Richard Hudson <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:
12pt">Hello again Daniel. Thanks for the
interesting link. Would you agree that even
these researchers accept that poor children
reach school with fewer words than rich
children?<br>
<br>
Dick Hudson <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15/09/2015
21:51, Daniel Ginsberg wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There was an
invited forum in Jnl Ling Anth
earlier this year that debunked a
lot of this "word gap" discourse. I
would love to see more public
awareness of this, and less
uncritical citation of the highly
flawed Hart & Risley study.<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--<br>
Daniel Ginsberg<br>
Doctoral candidate,
Linguistics<br>
Georgetown University</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 15,
2015 at 7:27 AM, Francis Hult <<a
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href="mailto:francis.hult@englund.lu.se"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:francis.hult@englund.lu.se">francis.hult@englund.lu.se</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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Arial,sans-serif; COLOR:
black">[Moderator's note: I
post this story because it
relates to a discourse that
is gaining public traction.
I am reminded of an article
that was recently posted
to Edling:</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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Arial,sans-serif; COLOR:
black">Johnson, E.J. (2015)
Debunking the “language
gap”.
<em><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:
Arial,sans-serif">Journal
for Multicultural
Education, 9</span></em>(1),
42-50.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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Arial,sans-serif; COLOR:
black">I wonder what
perspectives list members
working in different
research traditions have on
this topic. What additional
research findings and ideas
should we be getting out to
the public and how? FMH] </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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black">Why Boosting Poor
Children’s Vocabulary Is
Important for Public Health</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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Arial,sans-serif; COLOR:
black">Research suggests
that poor children hear
about 600 words per hour,
while affluent children
hear 2,000. By age 4, a poor
child has a listening
vocabulary of about 3,000
words, while a wealthier
child wields a 20,000-word
listening vocabulary. So
it’s no surprise that poor
children tend to enter
kindergarten already
behind their wealthier
peers.
</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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Arial,sans-serif; COLOR:
black">But it’s not just the
poverty that holds them
back—it’s the lack of words.
In fact, the single-best
predictor of a child’s
academic success is not
parental education or
socioeconomic status, but
rather the quality and
quantity of the words that a
baby hears during his or
her first three years.</span></p>
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