<div dir="ltr"><b>oh my, i thought i knew of all the possible <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">contexts and </div>situations that "translanguaging" intended to cover (i will continue to use scare quotes til i know what it is), but there is Hartmut bringing up one <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">more context </div>that NEVER occurred to me: text<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">books in different languages.</div></b><div><b><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></b></div><div><b><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">there is an academic principle here of great importance which i implied in my last message: </div></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">if one wants clarity in concepts, one must be clear on the limited domains covered.</div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">one cannot cover everything and </div></font></b><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">too many domains seems always to lead to vacuousness and takes away from understanding, never mind wisdom. thus, the number and types of domains to be covered must be stated upfront.</div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><br></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">the discussion continues. </div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">harmut, i was </div></font></b><font color="#000000"><b>intrigued</b></font><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"> by this statement, which i hope you will clarify: </div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">> </div></font></b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13.3333px">what counts is not how many languages are present in the university classroom (far more than before) but how many shared languages are available (often only English).</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13.3333px"> </span></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><br></div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">why do you believe that? do you have any evidence?</div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">but more important to this discussion, </div></font></b><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">doesn't your statement go against the "translanguaging" ethos?, </div></font></b><br></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">i.e. in the "translanguaging context", as i understand it in my limited way, one should avoid referring to discrete languages cos the practices involved in bilingualism are more dynamic with participants using whatever resources they have in trying to communicate or, as Mim elegantly said: </div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">> t</div></font></b><span style="font-size:12.8px">he focus on using all resources to make meaning</span></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><br></div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">i think garcia is really adamant on that point in the g</div></font></b><b>rosjean<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> </div></b><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">interview i referred to last message. and wonder how you relate to this central point, the assertion being that discreteness is artificial and out the window.</div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><br></div></font></b></div>What is Translanguaging? An interview with Ofelia García Posted Mar 02, 2016<br><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-bilingual/201603/what-is-translanguaging">https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-bilingual/201603/what-is-translanguaging</a><div><b><font color="#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><br></div></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><br></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><br></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#000000"><br></font></b><br><br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><div><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></b></div>Best, <br><br>Cheers, <br><br>Larry<br><br>Larry Selinker</font></b><div><b style="font-size:12.6667px"><u><font color="#0000ff"><a href="mailto:ls110@nyu.edu" target="_blank">ls110@nyu.edu</a></font></u></b><div><div><b><a href="http://www.researchproductionassociates.com/" target="_blank"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#0000ff">http://www.researchproductionassociates.com/</font></a></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Hartmut Haberland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk" target="_blank">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>It is important for me to insist that translanguaging is something quite different from polylanguaging and that the practice of teaching in one language (e.g. Danish) while using textbooks and other material in other languages (like, in Denmark, Danish,
Norwegian, Swedish, English and German) was a form of translanguaging widely practiced until the '90. The success of EMI did stop that for teaching in English - not because there is anything wrong with teaching in English in an non-English-speaking country,
but because under conditions of internationalization, what counts is not how many languages are present in the university classroom (far more than before) but how many shared languages are available (often only English). This is Taina Saarinen and Tarja Nikula's <i>paradox
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<div>At AAAL in Florida a few weeks ago there were at least 3 symposia dealing with multilingualism in the classroom, many from a translanguaging perspective, which followed several symposia and papers from last year’s conference on translanguaging, and including
a lively debate about the differences between code-switching and translanguaging framework. To answer the “many ways” part of Larry’s comment: the translanguaging work has included looking at bilingual K-12 classrooms, but also heritage language schools,
higher education settings, academic second language writing, as well as looking at it from an interactional perspective of what students in classroom do to negotiate academic content, from the teacher’s perspective of how she more effectively draws on students’
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seems most people using it are trying to capture Garcia’s notion of a post-structural approach to looking at multilingual repertoires through language practice – which therefore includes but is broader than code-switching (and like most po-mo concepts quite
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>> on behalf of Larry Selinker <<a href="mailto:larry.selinker@nyu.edu" target="_blank">larry.selinker@nyu.edu</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:25 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>The Educational Linguistics List <<a href="mailto:edling@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>> </b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Anne Marie mentions the concept is being used in many ways recently,</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>i did see a message from <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Anne Marie but did not see mention of these "many ways". i must confess i have had trouble getting a clear idea of this concept from the
vast and growing literature. </span></b><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">i would really like to know what are the many ways that the concept is being used, either from Peter or </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Anne
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<div>Ofelia Garcia’s (2009) <i>Bilingual Education in the 21 Century</i> is a good comprehensive text and has a clear explanation of translanguaging, though as Anne Marie mentions the concept is being used in many ways recently, and also harkens back to earlier
bilingual approaches to bilingual ed such as Jacobson’s (1980s) “New Concurrent” approach which advocated the teacher’s use of purposeful and strategic language mixing. </div>
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<div>About the positioning of above-below vs. side-to-side: I’m not aware of any work on this specific aspect of language positioning, but would say from a (1) linguistic perspective, it makes good sense to put a particular sentence in one language above another
so that students can more clearly see how syntactic and lexical elements line up. However, from a (2) language valorization perspective, the problem the observer may have had was not above-below per se, but rather that English was positioned ABOVE Spanish,
which may be seen as implicitly reinforcing the subordinate position of the minoritized language. In that case, positioning the languages side by side represents them on more equal footing (or even use above/below, but put Spanish on top). Or maybe the observer
was just being cranky… but kudos to the teacher for taking the critique seriously and following up. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>> on behalf of anne marie devlin <<a href="mailto:anne_mariedevlin@hotmail.com" target="_blank">anne_mariedevlin@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:04 AM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Edling] Urgent question from bilingual teacher<br>
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<div>Current research is coming out strongly in favour of 'translanguaging' where code switching is seen as a benefit to learners rather than a sign of lack of acquisition.</div>
<div>I'm not at my desk and don't have access to references at the moment, but a google search should bring up some interesting findings to support your colleagues approach.</div>
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<div>Hope that helps</div>
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:29:35 -0500<br>
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Subject: [Edling] Urgent question from bilingual teacher<br>
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A grad of one of our programs is a bilingual (Spanish) social studies teacher in New York City, with 11 years of teaching experience.<br>
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The teacher received a super-critical review of a class observation from somebody outside the school who observed a single lesson. The observer knew nothing in advance about the teacher's curriculum or approach; there had been no communication with the teacher
in advance of the observation. After having written a scathing observation report, the observer refused to have a conversation with the teacher, who sought politely to explain their perspective and try to understand better the nature of the critique.<br>
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The teacher has requested input on one issue in particular:<br>
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At the top of the lesson, the teacher had written a guiding question in English with the Spanish version directly underneath.<br>
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The teacher, as I understand it, sought to have the students first try to understand the text in English, then read it in Spanish, and using all linguistic resources make meaning out of the question. (And ultimately, the students will be tested in English.)<br>
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One of the many criticisms in the observation report was that the English and Spanish versions should have appeared side by side rather than one above the other. The teacher is perplexed.<br>
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While the teacher's explanation makes sense to me, I have been asked whether there is any objective guidance available from the research on best practices to advocate for EITHER of the 2 approaches (2 languages side by side versus one above the other).
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Thank you in advance for sharing your perspective. I'll pass it on.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Miriam Eisenstein Ebsworth, PhD<br>
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