<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5050" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5049">I think one of the reasons for this is the use of reviewers recommended by the author, which turn out to be the authors themselves in wig and glasses. I can see the point of a full international database which registers our academic existence and qualifications - the medical professions already have something like this. If T&F were working with professional and academic bodies to produce such a database, I would be all for it. But a unilateral attempt such as this, using a frankly primitive tool like Orcid - which is, in the end, just a list with no verification processes to assure its data - well, it's like trying to keep criminals out of the USA by building a wall in a desert. Doing something, anything, the first thing thought of, is usually not a solution.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5184" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5183" dir="ltr"><span>Martin</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5048"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_4981" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_4980" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_4979" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5036" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5035" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5047"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Wright, Wayne E" <wewright@purdue.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> The Educational Linguistics List <edling@bunner.geol.lu.se> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 25 May 2017, 1:46<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5163"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5162" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_4978"><br><div id="yiv4774274119"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_4977">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5034">Thanks Mary Jane! Will you guys have a session at AILA about this?</div>
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On May 24, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Curry, Mary Jane <<a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495723136896_5113" href="mailto:mjcurry@Warner.Rochester.edu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mjcurry@Warner.Rochester.edu">mjcurry@Warner.Rochester.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">From: </span>Edling <<a href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>> on behalf of "Wright, Wayne E" <<a href="mailto:wewright@purdue.edu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wewright@purdue.edu">wewright@purdue.edu</a>><br clear="none">
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 4:21 PM<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv4774274119MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">We just learned recently of the ORCID requirement for contributors to our T&F journal. Journal editors were not consulted on this beforehand.
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<div class="yiv4774274119MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">While I see value in the points raised, I also feel the point is somewhat moot as anyone who engages in public scholarship today will have their work indexed by 3<sup>rd</sup> party indexes.
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<div class="yiv4774274119MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">The oppressive regimes of the past did not have Google or ORCID and yet seemed to have no problem identifying “subservient” scholars.
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<div class="yiv4774274119MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">A broader question may be what is the value of conducting scholarship in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century if one’s work is not accessible to those it can benefit? And is it even possible to
prevent the same work from being visible to those who may wish to use it for nefarious purposes? Is this a risk we need to be willing to take if we want to engage in the type of scholarship we do?
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<div class="yiv4774274119MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">One could argue that at the very least ORCID helps to disambiguate scholars so they are not falsely accused of authoring work by others with same or similar names.
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as giving 1 to 5 star ratings of their faculty based on bibliometrics – despite the deep flaws of these measures and questions about what these metrics actually measure and mean. It’s the equivalent of the abusive practice of rating teachers based on value-added
measures drawn from highly questionable student high-stakes test data. I just learned of a new book on this issue I am looking forward to reading:</span></div>
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</b><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;">Edling <<a href="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se">edling-bounces@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>> on behalf of Francis Hult <<a href="mailto:francis.hult@englund.lu.se" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:francis.hult@englund.lu.se">francis.hult@englund.lu.se</a>><br clear="none">
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<b>To: </b>Edling Edling <<a href="mailto:edling@bunner.geol.lu.se" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:edling@bunner.geol.lu.se">edling@bunner.geol.lu.se</a>><br clear="none">
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">I received an e-mail today from a well known journal in our field. Several colleagues told me about receiving a similar letter in relation to other journals (all from Taylor & Francis). It would
seem like there is a movement taking place among a number of journals to shift from optional to required use of ORCID (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__orcid.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=fU6hZ2Xhp5C96G1smbHY_QVtE_btxlAmS_HtZIbAmpU&e=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://orcid.org/</a>)
for authors and reviewers. The Swedish Research Council already requires it for grant submissions. While there are a number of potential benefits, it would seem to me that there are also ethical and moral issues to consider when it comes to the close tracking
of researchers. The recent sociopolitical circumstances in Turkey, Hungary and Poland come to mind. Not to mention, at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, the violent oppression of researchers by the Nazi regime.</span></div>
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">While I would not wish to prevent anyone from using ORCID if they find it useful, I do find it troubling that journals would now require us to register in a third party database (even one managed
by a purportedly benign non-profit organization) in order to author or review papers. I wrote the letter below in response to the message I received (the name of the editor and journal have been redacted here). I put the question to the members of the list:
How do you feel about this? Should there be a wider conversation about this among researchers and publishers?</span></div>
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">I am writing because I am deeply concerned about the move by _____ to require the use of ORCID. I have long had strong ethical concerns about third party organizations, even a non-profit with
a purportedly benign objective, developing databases and repositories of scholars. There can be any number of unintended consequences of creating such a repository, not least related to their potential sociopolitical misuse. One can look historically to
the Nazi regime in the 1930s and 40s and their aggressive oppression of Jewish scholars and other academics doing 'dangerous' research or even more recently to the Trump administration seeking out scholars who are doing climate research that does not align
with its political objectives. In our own field of bi-/multilingualism, it is not too far of a leap to imagine that ultra-nationalist parties may gain control in certain European countries and seek out for sanction researchers who do work on plurilingualism
and multiculturalism. There is a real danger that repositories like ORCID could more easily facilitate such academic oppression. </span></div>
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">In addition, in the information age and the rise of 'big data', information privacy and security is no small matter. While an organization such as ORCID has seemingly good intentions at this time,
we are nonetheless contributing to a database of personal/professional data in order to participate. We thus give control of this information over to an organization that may use it in the future with unpredictable and unintended consequences:</span></div>
<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theatlantic.com_magazine_archive_2015_11_if-2Dyoure-2Dnot-2Dparanoid-2Dyoure-2Dcrazy_407833_&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=FaAuDqqevx9V-WCORtDuzIWCzApyVtjcVw-8Pq37vbM&e=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/if-youre-not-paranoid-youre-crazy/407833/</a></span></div>
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">There is an internet adage that "if you are not the client, you are the product." This has become apparent for several popular academic repositories that employ user-submitted information and
materials for their own objectives:</span></div>
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">While many researchers today opt in to repositories such as
<a href="http://academia.edu/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Academia.edu</a>, ResearchGate, Google Scholar, or ORCID, others have chosen not to for ethical and moral reasons. Perhaps they are concerned about privacy, big data, and potential future (mis)use of information. Perhaps they
do not wish to facilitate easy tracking of research by certain government regimes or radicals. While published research is publicly available, regimes have in the past at least been required to create their own repositories of 'dangerous' scholars.
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<div><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">There are no doubt potential benefits of contemporary research repositories, but there are potential dangers as well. It should be the choice of individual scholars to participate in them or not.
When a journal like___forces a researcher to participate in ORCID, we are faced with the dilemma of comprising our moral and ethical values or being excluded from the journal's academic community. It is a bargain that I would rather not to have to strike.</span></div>
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