<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class="auto-created-dir-div" dir="auto" style="unicode-bidi: embed;"><style>p{margin:0}</style>Bernard,<div><p><br></p><p>A good editor-mentor: absolutely; and maybe not just for English-as-other-language scientists. English-Academic-Register-as-other-language also seems to be a growing issue. I have noticed an increase in papers which have something really important to say, but don't say it clearly. So frustrating for the reader; and, ultimately, problematic for the writer(s) in terms of citation.</p><p><br></p><p>Martin P.J. Edwardes</p><br><blockquote style="margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 2em; border-left:2px solid #00ADE5; white-space: pre-wrap "><br><br>------ Original Message ------<br>From: "bspolsky via Edling" <edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu><br>To: edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu<br>Cc: "bspolsky" <bspolsky@gmail.com><br>Sent: Thursday, 8 Apr, 21 At 19:33<br>Subject: Re: [Edling] Edling Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3<br><br><div dir="ltr">English as the language of science. I think the main lesson is the value of a good editor-mentor,<div>Bernard</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:52 PM <<a href="mailto:edling-request@lists.mail.umbc.edu"><span class="wt_Email">edling-request@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left-width: 1.0px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;">Send Edling mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling" target="_blank">https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:edling-request@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling-request@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:edling-owner@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling-owner@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of Edling digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. Re: English is the language of science ? but precision is<br> tough as a non-native speaker (Margaret van Naerssen)<br> 2. Re: English is the language of science ? but precision is<br> tough as a non-native speaker (Francis M. Hult)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:29:41 -0400<br> From: Margaret van Naerssen <<a href="mailto:margaret.vannaerssen@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">margaret.vannaerssen@gmail.com</span><span></span></a>><br> To: Educational Linguistics List <<a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>><br> Cc: "Francis M. Hult" <<a href="mailto:fmhult@umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">fmhult@umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>><br> Subject: Re: [Edling] English is the language of science ? but<br> precision is tough as a non-native speaker<br> Message-ID:<br> <CAERKyF1rfCm3P63WSwaAgQbVR2W4596N5nTPKD=xamZ-vx=<a href="mailto:LCQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">LCQ@mail.gmail.com</span><span></span></a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br> <br> The importance of scientists being able to express themselves<br> effectively in English<br> is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began with<br> the need<br> for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific journal<br> written in<br> and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually<br> attend conferences<br> in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and published<br> articles in this area.<br> <br> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was posted<br> on Edling as the journal<br> required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my computer<br> to having cookies attached<br> just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it is<br> introducing new ideas about<br> the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But perhaps<br> I'm wrong--I would<br> be interested in the article.<br> <br> A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is<br> information about one online Overview.<br> One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the English<br> for Specific Purposes<br> Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.<br> <a href="https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb" target="_blank">https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb</a><br> Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by some<br> ESP IS members.:<br> *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and Clie*<br> nts<br> *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay<br> Westerfield).<br> Margaret van Naerssen<br> <br> Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is upgrading it<br> technology<br> from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be accessible. But<br> i hope you will check<br> out the link and view the Power Point.<br> <br> <br> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <<br> <a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>> wrote:<br> <br> > Nature<br> ><br> > English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a<br> > non-native speaker<br> ><br> > English is the international language of science, for better or for worse,<br> > but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We<br> > shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of our<br> > science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards in a<br> > foreign language to communicate that science.<br> ><br> > Full story:<br> > <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y" target="_blank">https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y</a><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > Edling mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> > <a href="https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling" target="_blank">https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> --<br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href="https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/private/edling/attachments/20210408/2bf44fff/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/private/edling/attachments/20210408/2bf44fff/attachment.htm</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:44:19 -0400<br> From: "Francis M. Hult" <<a href="mailto:fmhult@umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">fmhult@umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>><br> To: Educational Linguistics List <<a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>><br> Subject: Re: [Edling] English is the language of science ? but<br> precision is tough as a non-native speaker<br> Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CAEs-vYEQO6Jaa4k9_SQM3AvbX7e0A1yEJgtxhb5y1zJoRQhogQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">CAEs-vYEQO6Jaa4k9_SQM3AvbX7e0A1yEJgtxhb5y1zJoRQhogQ@mail.gmail.com</span><span></span></a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br> <br> I definitely didn't share it because I agree with the premise. ? I did<br> find it interesting to see the language ideologies being reproduced by a<br> scientist under the prestigious banner of *Nature*. It's a glimpse of the<br> emic perspectives on language by those working in STEM. Suresh Canagarajah<br> and colleagues have written some great pieces on this recently:<br> <br> hhttps://<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464" target="_blank">onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464</a><br> <br> <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210" target="_blank">https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210</a><br> <br> It makes me think about how as a field we might both draw attention to the<br> sociopolitical implications of equity in knowledge production and knowledge<br> access that follow from the dominance of English in STEM while also<br> decentering the dominant language ideologies of our own field (applied<br> linguistics or ESP/EMI specifically) in ways that respect the agency and<br> autonomy of STEM scholars.<br> <br> Best,<br> Francis<br> <br> --<br> *Francis M. Hult, PhD, FRGS* | Professor<br> Department of Education<br> University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC)<br> <br> Editor, Educational Linguistics Book Series<br> <<a href="https://www.springer.com/series/5894" target="_blank">https://www.springer.com/series/5894</a>><br> Co-Editor, Contributions to the Sociology of Language Book Series<br> <<a href="https://www.degruyter.com/view/serial/16644" target="_blank">https://www.degruyter.com/view/serial/16644</a>><br> <br> Web Profile <<a href="https://education.umbc.edu/faculty-list/francis-m-hult/" target="_blank">https://education.umbc.edu/faculty-list/francis-m-hult/</a>> |<br> Academia.edu <<a href="http://umbc.academia.edu/FrancisMHult" target="_blank">http://umbc.academia.edu/FrancisMHult</a>> | TESOL@UMBC<br> <<a href="http://tesol.umbc.edu/" target="_blank">http://tesol.umbc.edu/</a>><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 1:29 PM Margaret van Naerssen <<br> <a href="mailto:margaret.vannaerssen@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">margaret.vannaerssen@gmail.com</span><span></span></a>> wrote:<br> <br> > The importance of scientists being able to express themselves<br> > effectively in English<br> > is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began<br> > with the need<br> > for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific<br> > journal written in<br> > and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually<br> > attend conferences<br> > in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and published<br> > articles in this area.<br> ><br> > Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was posted<br> > on Edling as the journal<br> > required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my computer<br> > to having cookies attached<br> > just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it is<br> > introducing new ideas about<br> > the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But<br> > perhaps I'm wrong--I would<br> > be interested in the article.<br> ><br> > A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is<br> > information about one online Overview.<br> > One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the English<br> > for Specific Purposes<br> > Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.<br> ><br> > <a href="https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb" target="_blank">https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb</a><br> > Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by<br> > some ESP IS members.:<br> > *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and<br> > Clie*nts<br> > *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay<br> > Westerfield).<br> > Margaret van Naerssen<br> ><br> > Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is upgrading<br> > it technology<br> > from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be accessible. But<br> > i hope you will check<br> > out the link and view the Power Point.<br> ><br> ><br> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <<br> > <a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >> Nature<br> >><br> >> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a<br> >> non-native speaker<br> >><br> >> English is the international language of science, for better or for<br> >> worse, but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We<br> >> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of our<br> >> science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards in a<br> >> foreign language to communicate that science.<br> >><br> >> Full story:<br> >> <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y" target="_blank">https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y</a><br> >><br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> Edling mailing list<br> >> <a href="mailto:Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> >> <a href="https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling" target="_blank">https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling</a><br> >><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href="https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/private/edling/attachments/20210408/6c789400/attachment.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/private/edling/attachments/20210408/6c789400/attachment.htm</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Subject: Digest Footer<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Edling mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">Edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</span><span></span></a><br> (_internal_name)s<br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> End of Edling Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3<br> *************************************<br> </blockquote></div><br><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Bernard Spolsky <a href="mailto:bspolsky@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="wt_Email">bspolsky@gmail.com</span><span></span></a> Professor emeritus, Bar-Ilan University<br>URL: <a href="http://www.biu.ac.il/faculty/spolsb/" target="_blank">http://english.biu.ac.il/faculty/spolsky-bernard</a></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bernard_Spolsky" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bernard_Spolsky</a><br><div>Home address for all mail : 4 Nili Street, Apt 7, <span class="wt_Phone">9254803</span><span></span> Jerusalem ISRAEL</div><div>Phone: +972-2-628-2044 Cell phone: +972-52-421-8146<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> </span></div><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 36.0px;font-stretch: normal;font-size: 12.0px;line-height: normal;font-family: Helvetica;color: rgb(0,0,0);">Spolsky, B. (2021). <i>Rethinking language policy</i>. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 36.0px;font-stretch: normal;font-size: 12.0px;line-height: normal;font-family: Helvetica;color: rgb(0,0,0);">Hult, F. M., & Spolsky, B. (Eds.). (2021). <i>Handbook of Educational Linguistics</i> (Second edition ed.). Oxford: Blackwell.</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 36.0px;font-stretch: normal;font-size: 12.0px;line-height: normal;font-family: Helvetica;color: rgb(0,0,0);"> Lee, H., & Spolsky, B. (Eds.). (2021). <i>Localizing Global English: Asian perspectives and practices</i>. London: Routledge.</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 36.0px;font-stretch: normal;line-height: normal;font-family: "Helvetica Neue";">Lo Bianco, Joseph, & Spolsky, Bernard (Eds.). (2024). <i>Research in Language Policy and Management</i>. 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