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Sorry, but this, misses the point of much larger debates. It assumes that English is a desired language of science/scholarship. That in itself carries all kinds of freight.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">English as the language of science. I think the main lesson is the value of a good editor-mentor,
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Subject: Re: [Edling] English is the language of science ? but<br>
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The importance of scientists being able to express themselves<br>
effectively in English<br>
is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began with<br>
the need<br>
for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific journal<br>
written in<br>
and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually<br>
attend conferences<br>
in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and published<br>
articles in this area.<br>
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Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was posted<br>
on Edling as the journal<br>
required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my computer<br>
to having cookies attached<br>
just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it is<br>
introducing new ideas about<br>
the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But perhaps<br>
I'm wrong--I would<br>
be interested in the article.<br>
<br>
A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is<br>
information about one online Overview.<br>
One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the English<br>
for Specific Purposes<br>
Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.<br>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.tesol.org_communities_community-2Dhome-3FCommunityKey-3D4be1f546-2D1b6a-2D46f0-2D8070-2D74576e6704cb&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=dzZeHCm9v-XaWjs2sFMw_m1Jr3js_wvx9puCPtwpr3w&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb</a><br>
Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by some<br>
ESP IS members.:<br>
*English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and Clie*<br>
nts<br>
*(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay<br>
Westerfield).<br>
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <<br>
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> Nature<br>
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> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a<br>
> non-native speaker<br>
><br>
> English is the international language of science, for better or for worse,<br>
> but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We<br>
> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of our<br>
> science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards in a<br>
> foreign language to communicate that science.<br>
><br>
> Full story:<br>
> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_d41586-2D021-2D00899-2Dy&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=Hm6wkPjhdt-f1S-E4OpRxEW0Ocggupe_vVsPSKk-8xI&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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I definitely didn't share it because I agree with the premise. ? I did<br>
find it interesting to see the language ideologies being reproduced by a<br>
scientist under the prestigious banner of *Nature*. It's a glimpse of the<br>
emic perspectives on language by those working in STEM. Suresh Canagarajah<br>
and colleagues have written some great pieces on this recently:<br>
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hhttps://<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onlinelibrary.wiley.com_doi_abs_10.1111_modl.12464&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=hcmNORWGHH8h0SrY9ogOVstN_fE8HdxjlIXnoPYPt0o&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464</a><br>
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It makes me think about how as a field we might both draw attention to the<br>
sociopolitical implications of equity in knowledge production and knowledge<br>
access that follow from the dominance of English in STEM while also<br>
decentering the dominant language ideologies of our own field (applied<br>
linguistics or ESP/EMI specifically) in ways that respect the agency and<br>
autonomy of STEM scholars.<br>
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Best,<br>
Francis<br>
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> The importance of scientists being able to express themselves<br>
> effectively in English<br>
> is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began<br>
> with the need<br>
> for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific<br>
> journal written in<br>
> and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually<br>
> attend conferences<br>
> in their fields. I have worked in this area for many years and published<br>
> articles in this area.<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was posted<br>
> on Edling as the journal<br>
> required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my computer<br>
> to having cookies attached<br>
> just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it is<br>
> introducing new ideas about<br>
> the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But<br>
> perhaps I'm wrong--I would<br>
> be interested in the article.<br>
><br>
> A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is<br>
> information about one online Overview.<br>
> One of the Professional Communities in TESOL International is the English<br>
> for Specific Purposes<br>
> Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.tesol.org_communities_community-2Dhome-3FCommunityKey-3D4be1f546-2D1b6a-2D46f0-2D8070-2D74576e6704cb&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=dzZeHCm9v-XaWjs2sFMw_m1Jr3js_wvx9puCPtwpr3w&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb</a><br>
> Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by<br>
> some ESP IS members.:<br>
> *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and<br>
> Clie*nts<br>
> *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay<br>
> Westerfield).<br>
> Margaret van Naerssen<br>
><br>
> Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is upgrading<br>
> it technology<br>
> from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be accessible. But<br>
> i hope you will check<br>
> out the link and view the Power Point.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <<br>
> <a href="mailto:edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu" target="_blank">edling@lists.mail.umbc.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Nature<br>
>><br>
>> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a<br>
>> non-native speaker<br>
>><br>
>> English is the international language of science, for better or for<br>
>> worse, but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We<br>
>> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of our<br>
>> science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards in a<br>
>> foreign language to communicate that science.<br>
>><br>
>> Full story:<br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_d41586-2D021-2D00899-2Dy&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=Hm6wkPjhdt-f1S-E4OpRxEW0Ocggupe_vVsPSKk-8xI&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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bspolsky@gmail.com</a> Professor emeritus, Bar-Ilan University<br>
URL: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.biu.ac.il_faculty_spolsb_&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=IrVmuM9hXdno8jhQHJnbP27LUTYONW2vqB2f9_Rdq84&s=4h2fP3xXIopRYC2i555uRkml8GjF2XWcrX0CgJPR9jc&e=" target="_blank">
http://english.biu.ac.il/faculty/spolsky-bernard</a></div>
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Spolsky, B. (2021). <i>Rethinking language policy</i>. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.</p>
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Hult, F. M., & Spolsky, B. (Eds.). (2021). <i>Handbook of Educational Linguistics</i> (Second edition ed.). Oxford: Blackwell.</p>
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Lee, H., & Spolsky, B. (Eds.). (2021). <i>Localizing Global English: Asian perspectives and practices</i>. London: Routledge.</p>
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Lo Bianco, Joseph, & Spolsky, Bernard (Eds.). (2024). <i>Research in Language Policy and Management</i>. New York and London: Bloomsbury Academic.</p>
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