<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Frank & All,<div><br></div><div>in our case, one central issue was the position of the Sámi as "the only indigenous people of the EU", in contrast to other old minorities of Europe. As it seems, the "definitions" of indigenitude (as I wrote, the ILO convention actually does not provide a definition in the strict sense of the word) is largely motivated by the colonisation of non-European areas by Europeans, and its consequences. Within Europe, the situation is more complicated, as there often are many old ethnic and linguistic groups all inhabiting the same regions "from times immemorial", and whether the "timeline in a specific geographical location extends back further than any other ethnic or linguistic group in that location" cannot always be unanimously determined.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Johanna<br><div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Frank DiSalle kirjoitti 19.1.2013 kello 14.03:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Johanna Laakso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johanna.laakso@univie.ac.at" target="_blank">johanna.laakso@univie.ac.at</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Indigenous peoples are "First Nations" in the sense of "the first inhabitants ever (known)", and ALSO peoples whose culture and identity sharply differ from those of the majority and whose history includes colonisation, dispossession, marginalisation or subjugation. </blockquote>
</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'd be very interested in hearing (reading) the justification for including the following in a definition of "indigenous":<br>Their culture and identity
sharply differ from those of the majority AND <br>Their history includes
colonisation, dispossession, marginalisation or subjugation. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think the simpler definition of indigenous would be the cultural (i.e., ethnic or linguistic) group whose timeline in a specific geographical location extends back further than any other ethnic or linguistic group in that location. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">Respectfully,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Frank DiSalle <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr">The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.<br>
~ Marcus Aurelius <br> <br></div>
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