From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Wed Mar 5 18:53:57 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:53:57 -0800 Subject: test Message-ID: this is a test. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From t.marinis at ucl.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 15:31:33 2003 From: t.marinis at ucl.ac.uk (Theodore Marinis) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:31:33 +0000 Subject: e-prime on laptop - timing problems Message-ID: Hi, I have installed E-prime 1.0 on a dell laptop and I have identified timing problems after running the Refresh Clock Test. I turned off all other applications visible through and I still have missed ticks. Sometimes this takes place when the fan of the laptop is operating (!!!), but sometimes not. I have run my experiment and checked the onset delay in each trial. The range is in general 4 to 14ms, but within a specific block the range is 50 to 90ms. This covers approx. 10% of the trials. I could eliminate these trials, but 10% is quite a lot. I am sure that other people have faced similar problems. Any ideas how you managed to solve them? Thanks a lot for your time, Theo -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^- Dr. Theodore Marinis Centre for Developmental Language Disorders and Cognitive Neuroscience Department of Human Communication Science University College London Chandler House 2, Wakefield Street, London WC1N 1PF UK Tel. +44-20-7679-4096 Fax +44-20-7713-0861 www: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/DLDCN/staff.html -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^- From eliana_quintero at yahoo.es Mon Mar 10 17:55:03 2003 From: eliana_quintero at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?eliana=20quintero?=) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:55:03 +0100 Subject: question Message-ID: Hi. I am new in the list and we (Psychobiology Department at Seville University) have just adquired the eprime. I am checking the manuals and really I feel quite lost. I would like to know if you have some advices to start the work with this exciting software. I have tried to do a CPT but I wonder how can I obtain 60% from "X" stimulus and 40% from "O" stimulus. Please could you help me Thanks a lot. Regards, Eliana. -- Eliana A. Quintero G. Segundo Congreso Internacional de Neuropsicología en Internet http://www.serviciodc.com/congreso/ E-Mail: union03 at serviciodc.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más #161;Gratis! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Mon Mar 10 18:09:51 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:09:51 -0500 Subject: question Message-ID: Eliana, I would advise you to look at the BasicRT paradigm included with E-Prime (which shows Xs and Ys current). Resave the experiment under a new name and then in the TrialList object change the Ys to Os and then change the values under the Weight column to 60, 40 respectively to get the stimulus probabilities you desire. You can also delete the Feedback object from the TrialProc if you are not using it. If none of this makes any sense currently then you should go through the Getting Started Guide once more which will show you how to build a basic experiment from scratch in E-Prime. Hope that helps get you started off. Tony *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com -----Original Message----- From: eliana quintero [mailto:eliana_quintero at yahoo.es] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:55 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: question Hi. I am new in the list and we (Psychobiology Department at Seville University) have just adquired the eprime. I am checking the manuals and really I feel quite lost. I would like to know if you have some advices to start the work with this exciting software. I have tried to do a CPT but I wonder how can I obtain 60% from "X" stimulus and 40% from "O" stimulus. Please could you help me Thanks a lot. Regards, Eliana. -- Eliana A. Quintero G. Segundo Congreso Internacional de Neuropsicología en Internet http://www.serviciodc.com/congreso/ E-Mail: union03 at serviciodc.com _____ Yahoo! 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I have run my experiment > and checked the onset > delay in each trial. The range is in general 4 to > 14ms, but within a > specific block the range is 50 to 90ms. This covers > approx. 10% of the > trials. I could eliminate these trials, but 10% is > quite a lot. > I am sure that other people have faced similar > problems. Any ideas how you > managed to solve them? > Thanks a lot for your time, > Theo > > > -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^- > Dr. Theodore Marinis > Centre for Developmental Language Disorders and > Cognitive Neuroscience > Department of Human Communication Science > University College London > Chandler House > 2, Wakefield Street, > London WC1N 1PF > UK > Tel. +44-20-7679-4096 > Fax +44-20-7713-0861 > www: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/DLDCN/staff.html > -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^- > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From devo0023 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 10 20:49:32 2003 From: devo0023 at tc.umn.edu (Cynthia J DeVore) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:49:32 -0600 Subject: scrolling text Message-ID: Is anyone doing any reading tasks that require scrolling text backwards and forwards? Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at tc.umn.edu 612-624-3601 Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm From R.Custers at fss.uu.nl Fri Mar 14 13:42:23 2003 From: R.Custers at fss.uu.nl (Custers, Ruud) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:42:23 +0100 Subject: opening external programs Message-ID: Hi everyone, I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime with the " Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would like to do is suspend e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. This file automatically closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should become active again to finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to write this in code? Best, Ruud. From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 14 13:54:07 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:54:07 -0800 Subject: scrolling text In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030310144723.02921e90@devo0023.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hello. I am trying to acess the different bmps of arrows using the the e-studio while editing the sample called SlideRT.es. I am able to view the "*" but the arrows. Would you help me? Ric --- Cynthia J DeVore wrote: > Is anyone doing any reading tasks that require > scrolling text backwards and > forwards? > > > > Cynthia J. DeVore > Graduate Student > U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology > devo0023 at tc.umn.edu > 612-624-3601 > Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: > http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Fri Mar 14 17:18:27 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:18:27 -0500 Subject: opening external programs Message-ID: Ruud, The core of the E-Prime Runtime Engine continues to execute while devices are suspended. Generically you can do things like monitor the clock, monitor the file system, or make a subset of API calls to the Windows OS while devices are suspended. The main things you can do or use to solve this problem are tasks which required I/O from the devices (e.g. no video, no realtime keyboard or mouse input, etc.) If the Authorware app will run for a fixed amount of time then you could just sit in a loop calling Clock.Read until the appropriate amount of time elapses. Another fairly easy solution might be to have your Authorware app create some file on disk when it is done running. Your E-Prime script could then sit in a loop that calls Sleep for some period time and then checks for the file to exist on disk. When it does, it deletes the file and then resumes devices. For a more advanced solution (i.e. that may require the help of a Windows programmer for more information) may be to use the FindWindow() Win32 API function to periodically poll to see if the Authorware window is still open. If you can easily determine the window class name and the titlebar text of the Authorware app then this may be the way to go. Note that I have never tried to implement this solution myself so I just guessing that it would work. Hope that helps, Tony *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Custers, Ruud [mailto:R.Custers at fss.uu.nl] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:42 AM > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: opening external programs > > Hi everyone, > > I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime with the " > Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would like to do is suspend > e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. This file automatically > closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should become active again to > finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to write this in code? > > Best, > > Ruud. From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 14 17:46:44 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:46:44 -0800 Subject: opening external programs In-Reply-To: <6D8910A1FAF7E347B5C617CDE86FF4CD437206@mercury.pstmail> Message-ID: Sorry if I ask so simple questions but eprime has been introduced recently to me: What is the function of these statements in the E-Studio: 1. MirrorLeftRight 2. MirrorUpDown ? --- Tony Zuccolotto wrote: > Ruud, > > The core of the E-Prime Runtime Engine continues to > execute while > devices are suspended. Generically you can do > things like monitor the > clock, monitor the file system, or make a subset of > API calls to the > Windows OS while devices are suspended. The main > things you can do or > use to solve this problem are tasks which required > I/O from the devices > (e.g. no video, no realtime keyboard or mouse input, > etc.) > > If the Authorware app will run for a fixed amount of > time then you could > just sit in a loop calling Clock.Read until the > appropriate amount of > time elapses. > > Another fairly easy solution might be to have your > Authorware app create > some file on disk when it is done running. Your > E-Prime script could > then sit in a loop that calls Sleep for some period > time and then checks > for the file to exist on disk. When it does, it > deletes the file and > then resumes devices. > > For a more advanced solution (i.e. that may require > the help of a > Windows programmer for more information) may be to > use the FindWindow() > Win32 API function to periodically poll to see if > the Authorware window > is still open. If you can easily determine the > window class name and > the titlebar text of the Authorware app then this > may be the way to go. > Note that I have never tried to implement this > solution myself so I just > guessing that it would work. > > Hope that helps, > Tony > > *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND > DO NOT NECESSARILY > REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** > > Anthony P. Zuccolotto > Vice President > Psychology Software Tools, Inc. > 2050 Ardmore Boulevard > Suite 200 > Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 > Phone 412-271-5040 > FAX 412-271-7077 > Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com > Internet http://www.pstnet.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Custers, Ruud [mailto:R.Custers at fss.uu.nl] > > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:42 AM > > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > > Subject: opening external programs > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime > with the " > > Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would > like to do is > suspend > > e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. > This file > automatically > > closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should > become active again > to > > finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to > write this in code? > > > > Best, > > > > Ruud. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From erin5 at stanford.edu Fri Mar 14 17:54:49 2003 From: erin5 at stanford.edu (Erin S. Rogers) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:54:49 -0800 Subject: collecting responses Message-ID: Hello, I am using Eprime to trigger a Neuroscan Acquire computer. I was told I have to cut the response pins on the triggering cable going from my Eprime computer to the Acquire computer, which means I cannot collect responses on the Acquire computer. I am currently collecting responses on the Eprime computer, creating an event file with those data, and merging it with my Neuroscan .cnt file. It would be great if I could just collect responses directly on the Acquire computer. Does anyone know if this is possible? many thanks, Erin From jcraggs at prodigy.net Mon Mar 17 08:35:27 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:35:27 +0100 Subject: video I/O Message-ID: God day all, A colleague has asked me whether it is possible to "work a puzzle" in eprime. The goal is to track which "pieces" are used and in what order. While I believe that this should be possible, I have not seen any documentation to this effect. Any advice or help is appreciated. Jason. ________________________________ Jason G Craggs Psykologisk Institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used windows xp arabic and also hebrew but it did not work becasue the arabic letters or numbers are not recognized in the list object when I try to write them in the rows and columns . it is so important to me to use that arabic letters and arabic numbers because this the main purpose of my experiemnet. please your help and advices . thanks , deia From jcraggs at prodigy.net Tue Mar 18 16:28:40 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:28:40 +0100 Subject: video I/O Message-ID: Mariana, I have been coming to several of the conclusions you have mentioned. I am thinking we will have to just track the order of selection and placement of piece. The issue of shape does present a fairly unique problem. While keeping all the shapes "regular" the choices of shape, form and color become simplified. We are exploring our options on this one... Yes, please do keep me posted as to your progress. Actually I have heard from a few people who are engaged in similar tasks. This forum has already proven very helpful and looks to be even more so in the future. Cheers, Jason. ________________________________ Jason G Craggs Psykologisk Institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariana Silva" To: "Jason Craggs" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: Re: video I/O Hi Jason, Coincidentally I am building a program where the participant needs to click on boxes in a specific order. I am having some trouble but I think I may get there soon. I wouldn't know how to track a "piece" if it's been dragged across the screen. I know it's possible to know where the participant has clicked and in which order. Another problem you may have is to do with the shape of the pieces. I know you can determine square, rectangular and round areas for the "clicks" but not other irregular shapes. Do you want me to keep you posted of my progress? Don't know if my program will help, but it sounds a bit similar to the one you were describing. Best, Mariana At 09:35 17/03/03 +0100, you wrote: >God day all, > >A colleague has asked me whether it is possible to "work a puzzle" in eprime. >The goal is to track which "pieces" are used and in what order. >While I believe that this should be possible, I have not seen any >documentation to this effect. >Any advice or help is appreciated. > >Jason. >________________________________ >Jason G Craggs >Psykologisk Institutt >Postboks 1094 Blindern >N-0317 Oslo, Norway Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Wed Mar 19 14:10:11 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:10:11 -0500 Subject: fiber optic response units for use with E-Prime Message-ID: Hi All, While I typically avoid and discourage posting any product related announcements to this list, I am making an exception in this case as I feel the information may be relevant to a number of users based on queries and postings here over the past few months. At the upcoming CNS conference in New York, PST will be announcing the availability of a set of fiber optic response devices which integrate tightly with E-Prime and are intended for use in fMRI research. These devices fit comfortably on the wrists of the subject, allow up to 10 unique response inputs to be identified (5 per hand), and use integrated fiber optic switches (instead of wires and electric power). Subject responses made via these devices appear to E-Prime as originating from a PST Serial Response Box. In E-Studio you can easily set the SRBOXDevice to emulate the keyboard device as well if you choose, i.e. you just design your experiment to work with a standard keyboard and the fiber optic response device inputs will be recognized as well when the units are in use. The unit also includes an external connector that can be used to echo response signals (TTL) to other external hardware/software as needed. PST will also be announcing the availability of a full size MR Simulator that can be used to conduct patient orientation and training outside of the MR scanner environment. The MR Simulator includes a 60cm bore with tapered entry, motorized patient table, lights, fans, a mock head coil, realistic scanner noises generated from integrated speakers/subwoofer, plus other optional features. If anyone would like more information on these product announcements please stop by the PST booth at CNS or feel free to e-mail me off line. Thanks, Tony Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 14:09:06 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:09:06 +0000 Subject: Tracing a series of numbers Message-ID: Hi, I have an experiment where the participants have to click in boxes with numbers in ascending numerical order as quickly as they can. I need to make sure that when they click on the right number this will change colour. Also, every subsequent correct click will turn the respective number into a different colour. It's a trace feedback. Any ideas on how I can do this? Thanks in advance Mariana Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Fri Mar 21 19:30:00 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:30:00 +0100 Subject: Tracing a series of numbers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030320140549.009f3c10@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:09 20/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have an experiment where the participants have to click in boxes with >numbers in ascending numerical order as quickly as they can. I need to >make sure that when they click on the right number this will change >colour. Also, every subsequent correct click will turn the respective >number into a different colour. It's a trace feedback. Any ideas on how I >can do this? One way is to use a slide object with as many slide text objects as numbers. These would be the number boxes. Then you may include some code that uses the strhit function to find out which box was clicked an which keeps track of the current correct number. I have set up a preliminary version which I'm sending to your private E-mail because I think we cannot attach files to this mail list. >Thanks in advance > >Mariana > > > >Mariana Matos da Silva >School of Human Sciences >Department of Psychology >University of Surrey >Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH >UK > >Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 >Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 > > From carley.piatt at yale.edu Fri Mar 21 20:25:06 2003 From: carley.piatt at yale.edu (Carley Piatt) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:25:06 -0500 Subject: Multiple Responses for 1 stimuli Message-ID: Hello, I have been trying to figure out a way to record multiple responses for each stimuli as it is presented that includes both the response key and the time that the response was made (not just the last response). The inter stimulus interval varies for the experiment so I somehow need a variable object that accounts for both the ISI, the stimuli and could take (but not necessarily) multiple responses. I would ideally like it to all go into the edat file. Any suggestions? Many thanks! Carley Piatt Research Assistant for Dr. Bob Schultz Child Study Center Yale University Phone: 203-737-5255 From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 17:17:25 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:17:25 +0000 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times Message-ID: Hi, I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous number disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one at the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? Another way of doing this is to collect blocks of numbers separated by SPACE as one input, but the program won't analyse number by number to check whether it was correct. Also, as soon as the participant moves to the next group of numbers the "old" inputs disappear from the screen. If anyone has any idea of how to do this, it's very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mariana Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Thu Mar 27 17:46:31 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:46:31 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030325170858.009f6e20@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:17 25/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces >with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press >SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous number >disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this >experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to >make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one at >the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? It depends on how you are implementing response collection but, in principle, one way would be to set the backstyle property of the different objects to "transparent". Depending on the layout of the grid, you would also have to set that property in the device object within the echo page of the advanced input properties, where you indicated (??) where the echo characters should appear. From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 17:53:28 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:53:28 +0000 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327183925.03905030@goliat.ugr.es> Message-ID: Hi, Thank you for your e-mail. I had done what you said and had no success. Both display properties are set to transparent in the SlideObject and the Echo Display Properties. The program removes all echoes to the display every time a response is collected. That is part of the script built internally by E-prime which I can't change. I think the "old" inputs disappear every time a response is collected because in the script there is a statement which says something like EchoClients.RemoveAll. This part of the script is not editable (?) because it's generated internally by the software. If you have any ideas on how to counteract on this command, please let me know. Thanks again for your reply. Best, Mariana At 18:46 27/03/03 +0100, you wrote: >At 17:17 25/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces >>with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press >>SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous >>number disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this >>experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to >>make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one >>at the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? > >It depends on how you are implementing response collection but, in >principle, one way would be to set the backstyle property of the different >objects to "transparent". Depending on the layout of the grid, you would >also have to set that property in the device object within the echo page >of the advanced input properties, where you indicated (??) where the echo >characters should appear. > Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Thu Mar 27 18:26:46 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:26:46 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030327174927.009f6de0@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: I have tried it myself and the inputs do remain on the screen. There may be something we are doing differently. I just did a little trial experiment with two text display objects which echoed their responses to different parts of the screen. Setting the back display property did the trick. I don't know what is different in your experiment. What is the size of the echo zone? Try making it smaller, so that it adjusts to the size of the response string as tightly as possible. From jcraggs at prodigy.net Thu Mar 27 19:59:18 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:59:18 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327192007.03c633e0@goliat.ugr.es> Message-ID: Hey there, I have been following this as I am working on keeping pic files on the screen after choice selection - building a puzzle/picture... Does anyone know whether the echo zone can be "dynamic" ? That is, can I use different size "pieces" in my puzzle or will they all have to be the same size/dimension??? Thanks for any insight, Jason Jason G Craggs Psykologisk institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway (W) {47} 2284-5209 > From: Francisco Tornay > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:26:46 +0100 > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: Re: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times > > I have tried it myself and the inputs do remain on the screen. There may be > something we are doing differently. I just did a little trial experiment > with two text display objects which echoed their responses to different > parts of the screen. Setting the back display property did the trick. > > I don't know what is different in your experiment. What is the size of the > echo zone? Try making it smaller, so that it adjusts to the size of the > response string as tightly as possible. > > From devo0023 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 28 20:39:29 2003 From: devo0023 at tc.umn.edu (Cynthia J DeVore) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:39:29 -0600 Subject: Joystick input Message-ID: Has anyone successfully used a joystick plugged into the gameport for input? We're trying to use it for input. The buttons work with ease, but the axes aren't working as easily. Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at tc.umn.edu 612-624-3601 Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm From lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Mon Mar 31 13:58:06 2003 From: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw (James T. Myers) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:58:06 +0800 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some default setting we're not turning off or something. By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... James Myers Graduate Institute of Linguistics National Chung Cheng University Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, ROC Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ Phone: 886-5-242-8251 Fax: 886-5-272-1654 From lolofie at unlv.edu Mon Mar 31 15:21:44 2003 From: lolofie at unlv.edu (Justin Lolofie) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:21:44 -0800 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if there is a nice and neat way to do this. If not the ugly way is to just put labels infront of your blocks, generate a random number, then goto the matching label. On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, James T. Myers wrote: > > I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my > assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a > set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of > the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some > default setting we're not turning off or something. > > By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play > silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each > movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays > a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that > we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 > msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would > also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. > I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as > stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. > > But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... > > James Myers > Graduate Institute of Linguistics > National Chung Cheng University > Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 > TAIWAN, ROC > Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw > Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ > Phone: 886-5-242-8251 > Fax: 886-5-272-1654 > > From Susan.Campbell at pstnet.com Mon Mar 31 15:31:43 2003 From: Susan.Campbell at pstnet.com (Susan Campbell) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:31:43 -0500 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video Message-ID: I'm not sure precisely what you're asking here. Do you want to have a set of lists (blocks) and present them in a random order? The simple way to do that is to add a list above the blocks, create a procedure to include each block, then randomize the order of that list. So the list would look like this: Weight Procedure 1 Movie1 1 Movie2 and the structure would look like this: NewList (List - randomized) Movie1 (Procedure) BlockList1 (List - sequential) Movie2 (Procedure) BlockList2 (List - sequential) You can change the names of the logging levels from the Edit Experiment window if that is a problem. Hope this helps, Susan Campbell PsychMate Paradigm Developer ***Not speaking on behalf of my employer*** -----Original Message----- From: James T. Myers [mailto:lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:58 AM To: E-Prime List Cc: Language Processing Lab Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some default setting we're not turning off or something. By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... James Myers Graduate Institute of Linguistics National Chung Cheng University Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, ROC Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ Phone: 886-5-242-8251 Fax: 886-5-272-1654 From benn0224 at umn.edu Mon Mar 31 17:44:39 2003 From: benn0224 at umn.edu (Stephen D. Benning) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:44:39 CST Subject: Option Base 1 interferes with Sex Startup Info parameter Message-ID: I've found a wee issue with E-Prime's handling of Startup Info parameters that involved the Choice mechanism. In the User tab of my program, I've set Option Base 1 to reflect the fact that all of my array begin with element 1, not element 0. However, when I start up E-Prime, I also need to have information about the participant's sex encoded, which I've chosen to do through the standard Sex attribute in the Startup Info. Here's the problem. When I run my program, I can enter the Subject and Session attributes just fine, but when it comes time to enter the participant's Sex, E-Prime bombs out, giving me a "subscript out of range" error. When I look back at the code E-Prime generated, I find that the Sex choices were generated assuming Base 0 arrays, so that the option "male" corresponds to entry 0 in the array and "female" corresponds to entry 1. Therefore, I surmise that since I'm using Base 1, the program doesn't know what to do with an entry 0, and ttinking it's an illegal option, it promptly exits the program with an error. I've tried using Option Base 1 anywhere else besides the User tab of the Script window (against the rules set out by the documentation), which crashes the program (as the docs say it should). So, apart from me recoding everything back into Base 0 (ugh), is there a way around this program? or is this a noisome limitation of E-Prime that will hopefully be addressed in the next point release? If it's a limitation, I'd also love to see the following addressed, too: the inability of E-Prime to resize the number of rows in a List box when one copies different text files (with different numbers of rows) into a single text file that a List box reads for information. But that's a different story... Stephen Benning 75 East River Road Office: N631 Minneapolis, MN 55455 From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Wed Mar 5 18:53:57 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:53:57 -0800 Subject: test Message-ID: this is a test. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thanks a lot for your time, Theo -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^- Dr. Theodore Marinis Centre for Developmental Language Disorders and Cognitive Neuroscience Department of Human Communication Science University College London Chandler House 2, Wakefield Street, London WC1N 1PF UK Tel. +44-20-7679-4096 Fax +44-20-7713-0861 www: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/DLDCN/staff.html -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^- From eliana_quintero at yahoo.es Mon Mar 10 17:55:03 2003 From: eliana_quintero at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?eliana=20quintero?=) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:55:03 +0100 Subject: question Message-ID: Hi. I am new in the list and we (Psychobiology Department at Seville University) have just adquired the eprime. I am checking the manuals and really I feel quite lost. I would like to know if you have some advices to start the work with this exciting software. I have tried to do a CPT but I wonder how can I obtain 60% from "X" stimulus and 40% from "O" stimulus. Please could you help me Thanks a lot. Regards, Eliana. -- Eliana A. Quintero G. Segundo Congreso Internacional de Neuropsicolog?a en Internet http://www.serviciodc.com/congreso/ E-Mail: union03 at serviciodc.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más #161;Gratis! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Mon Mar 10 18:09:51 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:09:51 -0500 Subject: question Message-ID: Eliana, I would advise you to look at the BasicRT paradigm included with E-Prime (which shows Xs and Ys current). Resave the experiment under a new name and then in the TrialList object change the Ys to Os and then change the values under the Weight column to 60, 40 respectively to get the stimulus probabilities you desire. You can also delete the Feedback object from the TrialProc if you are not using it. If none of this makes any sense currently then you should go through the Getting Started Guide once more which will show you how to build a basic experiment from scratch in E-Prime. Hope that helps get you started off. Tony *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com -----Original Message----- From: eliana quintero [mailto:eliana_quintero at yahoo.es] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:55 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: question Hi. I am new in the list and we (Psychobiology Department at Seville University) have just adquired the eprime. I am checking the manuals and really I feel quite lost. I would like to know if you have some advices to start the work with this exciting software. I have tried to do a CPT but I wonder how can I obtain 60% from "X" stimulus and 40% from "O" stimulus. Please could you help me Thanks a lot. Regards, Eliana. -- Eliana A. Quintero G. Segundo Congreso Internacional de Neuropsicolog?a en Internet http://www.serviciodc.com/congreso/ E-Mail: union03 at serviciodc.com _____ Yahoo! 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I have run my experiment > and checked the onset > delay in each trial. The range is in general 4 to > 14ms, but within a > specific block the range is 50 to 90ms. This covers > approx. 10% of the > trials. I could eliminate these trials, but 10% is > quite a lot. > I am sure that other people have faced similar > problems. Any ideas how you > managed to solve them? > Thanks a lot for your time, > Theo > > > -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^- > Dr. Theodore Marinis > Centre for Developmental Language Disorders and > Cognitive Neuroscience > Department of Human Communication Science > University College London > Chandler House > 2, Wakefield Street, > London WC1N 1PF > UK > Tel. +44-20-7679-4096 > Fax +44-20-7713-0861 > www: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/DLDCN/staff.html > -^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^~^~^~^-^- > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From devo0023 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 10 20:49:32 2003 From: devo0023 at tc.umn.edu (Cynthia J DeVore) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:49:32 -0600 Subject: scrolling text Message-ID: Is anyone doing any reading tasks that require scrolling text backwards and forwards? Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at tc.umn.edu 612-624-3601 Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm From R.Custers at fss.uu.nl Fri Mar 14 13:42:23 2003 From: R.Custers at fss.uu.nl (Custers, Ruud) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:42:23 +0100 Subject: opening external programs Message-ID: Hi everyone, I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime with the " Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would like to do is suspend e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. This file automatically closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should become active again to finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to write this in code? Best, Ruud. From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 14 13:54:07 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:54:07 -0800 Subject: scrolling text In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030310144723.02921e90@devo0023.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hello. I am trying to acess the different bmps of arrows using the the e-studio while editing the sample called SlideRT.es. I am able to view the "*" but the arrows. Would you help me? Ric --- Cynthia J DeVore wrote: > Is anyone doing any reading tasks that require > scrolling text backwards and > forwards? > > > > Cynthia J. DeVore > Graduate Student > U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology > devo0023 at tc.umn.edu > 612-624-3601 > Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: > http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Fri Mar 14 17:18:27 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:18:27 -0500 Subject: opening external programs Message-ID: Ruud, The core of the E-Prime Runtime Engine continues to execute while devices are suspended. Generically you can do things like monitor the clock, monitor the file system, or make a subset of API calls to the Windows OS while devices are suspended. The main things you can do or use to solve this problem are tasks which required I/O from the devices (e.g. no video, no realtime keyboard or mouse input, etc.) If the Authorware app will run for a fixed amount of time then you could just sit in a loop calling Clock.Read until the appropriate amount of time elapses. Another fairly easy solution might be to have your Authorware app create some file on disk when it is done running. Your E-Prime script could then sit in a loop that calls Sleep for some period time and then checks for the file to exist on disk. When it does, it deletes the file and then resumes devices. For a more advanced solution (i.e. that may require the help of a Windows programmer for more information) may be to use the FindWindow() Win32 API function to periodically poll to see if the Authorware window is still open. If you can easily determine the window class name and the titlebar text of the Authorware app then this may be the way to go. Note that I have never tried to implement this solution myself so I just guessing that it would work. Hope that helps, Tony *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Custers, Ruud [mailto:R.Custers at fss.uu.nl] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:42 AM > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: opening external programs > > Hi everyone, > > I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime with the " > Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would like to do is suspend > e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. This file automatically > closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should become active again to > finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to write this in code? > > Best, > > Ruud. From psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 14 17:46:44 2003 From: psicologo2002us at yahoo.com.br (ric hod) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:46:44 -0800 Subject: opening external programs In-Reply-To: <6D8910A1FAF7E347B5C617CDE86FF4CD437206@mercury.pstmail> Message-ID: Sorry if I ask so simple questions but eprime has been introduced recently to me: What is the function of these statements in the E-Studio: 1. MirrorLeftRight 2. MirrorUpDown ? --- Tony Zuccolotto wrote: > Ruud, > > The core of the E-Prime Runtime Engine continues to > execute while > devices are suspended. Generically you can do > things like monitor the > clock, monitor the file system, or make a subset of > API calls to the > Windows OS while devices are suspended. The main > things you can do or > use to solve this problem are tasks which required > I/O from the devices > (e.g. no video, no realtime keyboard or mouse input, > etc.) > > If the Authorware app will run for a fixed amount of > time then you could > just sit in a loop calling Clock.Read until the > appropriate amount of > time elapses. > > Another fairly easy solution might be to have your > Authorware app create > some file on disk when it is done running. Your > E-Prime script could > then sit in a loop that calls Sleep for some period > time and then checks > for the file to exist on disk. When it does, it > deletes the file and > then resumes devices. > > For a more advanced solution (i.e. that may require > the help of a > Windows programmer for more information) may be to > use the FindWindow() > Win32 API function to periodically poll to see if > the Authorware window > is still open. If you can easily determine the > window class name and > the titlebar text of the Authorware app then this > may be the way to go. > Note that I have never tried to implement this > solution myself so I just > guessing that it would work. > > Hope that helps, > Tony > > *** DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND > DO NOT NECESSARILY > REFLECT THOSE OF PSYCHOLOGY SOFTWARE TOOLS *** > > Anthony P. Zuccolotto > Vice President > Psychology Software Tools, Inc. > 2050 Ardmore Boulevard > Suite 200 > Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 > Phone 412-271-5040 > FAX 412-271-7077 > Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com > Internet http://www.pstnet.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Custers, Ruud [mailto:R.Custers at fss.uu.nl] > > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:42 AM > > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > > Subject: opening external programs > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I learned that it is possible to suspend e-prime > with the " > > Rte.DeviceManager.Suspend " command. What I would > like to do is > suspend > > e-prime to run a .exe file created in authorware. > This file > automatically > > closes when it's done. After this, e-prime should > become active again > to > > finish the experiment. Does anyone know how to > write this in code? > > > > Best, > > > > Ruud. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From erin5 at stanford.edu Fri Mar 14 17:54:49 2003 From: erin5 at stanford.edu (Erin S. Rogers) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:54:49 -0800 Subject: collecting responses Message-ID: Hello, I am using Eprime to trigger a Neuroscan Acquire computer. I was told I have to cut the response pins on the triggering cable going from my Eprime computer to the Acquire computer, which means I cannot collect responses on the Acquire computer. I am currently collecting responses on the Eprime computer, creating an event file with those data, and merging it with my Neuroscan .cnt file. It would be great if I could just collect responses directly on the Acquire computer. Does anyone know if this is possible? many thanks, Erin From jcraggs at prodigy.net Mon Mar 17 08:35:27 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:35:27 +0100 Subject: video I/O Message-ID: God day all, A colleague has asked me whether it is possible to "work a puzzle" in eprime. The goal is to track which "pieces" are used and in what order. While I believe that this should be possible, I have not seen any documentation to this effect. Any advice or help is appreciated. Jason. ________________________________ Jason G Craggs Psykologisk Institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used windows xp arabic and also hebrew but it did not work becasue the arabic letters or numbers are not recognized in the list object when I try to write them in the rows and columns . it is so important to me to use that arabic letters and arabic numbers because this the main purpose of my experiemnet. please your help and advices . thanks , deia From jcraggs at prodigy.net Tue Mar 18 16:28:40 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:28:40 +0100 Subject: video I/O Message-ID: Mariana, I have been coming to several of the conclusions you have mentioned. I am thinking we will have to just track the order of selection and placement of piece. The issue of shape does present a fairly unique problem. While keeping all the shapes "regular" the choices of shape, form and color become simplified. We are exploring our options on this one... Yes, please do keep me posted as to your progress. Actually I have heard from a few people who are engaged in similar tasks. This forum has already proven very helpful and looks to be even more so in the future. Cheers, Jason. ________________________________ Jason G Craggs Psykologisk Institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariana Silva" To: "Jason Craggs" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: Re: video I/O Hi Jason, Coincidentally I am building a program where the participant needs to click on boxes in a specific order. I am having some trouble but I think I may get there soon. I wouldn't know how to track a "piece" if it's been dragged across the screen. I know it's possible to know where the participant has clicked and in which order. Another problem you may have is to do with the shape of the pieces. I know you can determine square, rectangular and round areas for the "clicks" but not other irregular shapes. Do you want me to keep you posted of my progress? Don't know if my program will help, but it sounds a bit similar to the one you were describing. Best, Mariana At 09:35 17/03/03 +0100, you wrote: >God day all, > >A colleague has asked me whether it is possible to "work a puzzle" in eprime. >The goal is to track which "pieces" are used and in what order. >While I believe that this should be possible, I have not seen any >documentation to this effect. >Any advice or help is appreciated. > >Jason. >________________________________ >Jason G Craggs >Psykologisk Institutt >Postboks 1094 Blindern >N-0317 Oslo, Norway Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Wed Mar 19 14:10:11 2003 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:10:11 -0500 Subject: fiber optic response units for use with E-Prime Message-ID: Hi All, While I typically avoid and discourage posting any product related announcements to this list, I am making an exception in this case as I feel the information may be relevant to a number of users based on queries and postings here over the past few months. At the upcoming CNS conference in New York, PST will be announcing the availability of a set of fiber optic response devices which integrate tightly with E-Prime and are intended for use in fMRI research. These devices fit comfortably on the wrists of the subject, allow up to 10 unique response inputs to be identified (5 per hand), and use integrated fiber optic switches (instead of wires and electric power). Subject responses made via these devices appear to E-Prime as originating from a PST Serial Response Box. In E-Studio you can easily set the SRBOXDevice to emulate the keyboard device as well if you choose, i.e. you just design your experiment to work with a standard keyboard and the fiber optic response device inputs will be recognized as well when the units are in use. The unit also includes an external connector that can be used to echo response signals (TTL) to other external hardware/software as needed. PST will also be announcing the availability of a full size MR Simulator that can be used to conduct patient orientation and training outside of the MR scanner environment. The MR Simulator includes a 60cm bore with tapered entry, motorized patient table, lights, fans, a mock head coil, realistic scanner noises generated from integrated speakers/subwoofer, plus other optional features. If anyone would like more information on these product announcements please stop by the PST booth at CNS or feel free to e-mail me off line. Thanks, Tony Anthony P. Zuccolotto Vice President Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 14:09:06 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:09:06 +0000 Subject: Tracing a series of numbers Message-ID: Hi, I have an experiment where the participants have to click in boxes with numbers in ascending numerical order as quickly as they can. I need to make sure that when they click on the right number this will change colour. Also, every subsequent correct click will turn the respective number into a different colour. It's a trace feedback. Any ideas on how I can do this? Thanks in advance Mariana Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Fri Mar 21 19:30:00 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:30:00 +0100 Subject: Tracing a series of numbers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030320140549.009f3c10@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:09 20/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have an experiment where the participants have to click in boxes with >numbers in ascending numerical order as quickly as they can. I need to >make sure that when they click on the right number this will change >colour. Also, every subsequent correct click will turn the respective >number into a different colour. It's a trace feedback. Any ideas on how I >can do this? One way is to use a slide object with as many slide text objects as numbers. These would be the number boxes. Then you may include some code that uses the strhit function to find out which box was clicked an which keeps track of the current correct number. I have set up a preliminary version which I'm sending to your private E-mail because I think we cannot attach files to this mail list. >Thanks in advance > >Mariana > > > >Mariana Matos da Silva >School of Human Sciences >Department of Psychology >University of Surrey >Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH >UK > >Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 >Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 > > From carley.piatt at yale.edu Fri Mar 21 20:25:06 2003 From: carley.piatt at yale.edu (Carley Piatt) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:25:06 -0500 Subject: Multiple Responses for 1 stimuli Message-ID: Hello, I have been trying to figure out a way to record multiple responses for each stimuli as it is presented that includes both the response key and the time that the response was made (not just the last response). The inter stimulus interval varies for the experiment so I somehow need a variable object that accounts for both the ISI, the stimuli and could take (but not necessarily) multiple responses. I would ideally like it to all go into the edat file. Any suggestions? Many thanks! Carley Piatt Research Assistant for Dr. Bob Schultz Child Study Center Yale University Phone: 203-737-5255 From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 17:17:25 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:17:25 +0000 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times Message-ID: Hi, I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous number disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one at the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? Another way of doing this is to collect blocks of numbers separated by SPACE as one input, but the program won't analyse number by number to check whether it was correct. Also, as soon as the participant moves to the next group of numbers the "old" inputs disappear from the screen. If anyone has any idea of how to do this, it's very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mariana Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Thu Mar 27 17:46:31 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:46:31 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030325170858.009f6e20@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:17 25/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces >with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press >SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous number >disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this >experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to >make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one at >the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? It depends on how you are implementing response collection but, in principle, one way would be to set the backstyle property of the different objects to "transparent". Depending on the layout of the grid, you would also have to set that property in the device object within the echo page of the advanced input properties, where you indicated (??) where the echo characters should appear. From m.silva at surrey.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 17:53:28 2003 From: m.silva at surrey.ac.uk (Mariana Silva) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:53:28 +0000 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327183925.03905030@goliat.ugr.es> Message-ID: Hi, Thank you for your e-mail. I had done what you said and had no success. Both display properties are set to transparent in the SlideObject and the Echo Display Properties. The program removes all echoes to the display every time a response is collected. That is part of the script built internally by E-prime which I can't change. I think the "old" inputs disappear every time a response is collected because in the script there is a statement which says something like EchoClients.RemoveAll. This part of the script is not editable (?) because it's generated internally by the software. If you have any ideas on how to counteract on this command, please let me know. Thanks again for your reply. Best, Mariana At 18:46 27/03/03 +0100, you wrote: >At 17:17 25/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I have an experiment where participants need to fill in some grid spaces >>with numbers. When they want to go to the next grid square they press >>SPACE. Since the program is collecting every response, the previous >>number disappears when they go to the next box. It is important in this >>experiment that the "old" inputs remain visible. Does anyone know how to >>make sure that the previous inputs (which are echoed to the display one >>at the time) can "stay" in the screen until the end of the session? > >It depends on how you are implementing response collection but, in >principle, one way would be to set the backstyle property of the different >objects to "transparent". Depending on the layout of the grid, you would >also have to set that property in the device object within the echo page >of the advanced input properties, where you indicated (??) where the echo >characters should appear. > Mariana Matos da Silva School of Human Sciences Department of Psychology University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH UK Tel: +44 (0) 1483 686883 Fax:+44 (0) 1483 689553 From ftornay at ugr.es Thu Mar 27 18:26:46 2003 From: ftornay at ugr.es (Francisco Tornay) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:26:46 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030327174927.009f6de0@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: I have tried it myself and the inputs do remain on the screen. There may be something we are doing differently. I just did a little trial experiment with two text display objects which echoed their responses to different parts of the screen. Setting the back display property did the trick. I don't know what is different in your experiment. What is the size of the echo zone? Try making it smaller, so that it adjusts to the size of the response string as tightly as possible. From jcraggs at prodigy.net Thu Mar 27 19:59:18 2003 From: jcraggs at prodigy.net (Jason Craggs) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:59:18 +0100 Subject: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327192007.03c633e0@goliat.ugr.es> Message-ID: Hey there, I have been following this as I am working on keeping pic files on the screen after choice selection - building a puzzle/picture... Does anyone know whether the echo zone can be "dynamic" ? That is, can I use different size "pieces" in my puzzle or will they all have to be the same size/dimension??? Thanks for any insight, Jason Jason G Craggs Psykologisk institutt Postboks 1094 Blindern N-0317 Oslo, Norway (W) {47} 2284-5209 > From: Francisco Tornay > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:26:46 +0100 > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: Re: How to set inputs to remain visible at all times > > I have tried it myself and the inputs do remain on the screen. There may be > something we are doing differently. I just did a little trial experiment > with two text display objects which echoed their responses to different > parts of the screen. Setting the back display property did the trick. > > I don't know what is different in your experiment. What is the size of the > echo zone? Try making it smaller, so that it adjusts to the size of the > response string as tightly as possible. > > From devo0023 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 28 20:39:29 2003 From: devo0023 at tc.umn.edu (Cynthia J DeVore) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:39:29 -0600 Subject: Joystick input Message-ID: Has anyone successfully used a joystick plugged into the gameport for input? We're trying to use it for input. The buttons work with ease, but the axes aren't working as easily. Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student U of MN - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at tc.umn.edu 612-624-3601 Office hours for E-Prime Consultant: http://online.psych.umn.edu/IS/Elliott160/Calendar/200303.htm From lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Mon Mar 31 13:58:06 2003 From: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw (James T. Myers) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:58:06 +0800 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some default setting we're not turning off or something. By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... James Myers Graduate Institute of Linguistics National Chung Cheng University Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, ROC Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ Phone: 886-5-242-8251 Fax: 886-5-272-1654 From lolofie at unlv.edu Mon Mar 31 15:21:44 2003 From: lolofie at unlv.edu (Justin Lolofie) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:21:44 -0800 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if there is a nice and neat way to do this. If not the ugly way is to just put labels infront of your blocks, generate a random number, then goto the matching label. On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, James T. Myers wrote: > > I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my > assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a > set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of > the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some > default setting we're not turning off or something. > > By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play > silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each > movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays > a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that > we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 > msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would > also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. > I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as > stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. > > But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... > > James Myers > Graduate Institute of Linguistics > National Chung Cheng University > Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 > TAIWAN, ROC > Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw > Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ > Phone: 886-5-242-8251 > Fax: 886-5-272-1654 > > From Susan.Campbell at pstnet.com Mon Mar 31 15:31:43 2003 From: Susan.Campbell at pstnet.com (Susan Campbell) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:31:43 -0500 Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video Message-ID: I'm not sure precisely what you're asking here. Do you want to have a set of lists (blocks) and present them in a random order? The simple way to do that is to add a list above the blocks, create a procedure to include each block, then randomize the order of that list. So the list would look like this: Weight Procedure 1 Movie1 1 Movie2 and the structure would look like this: NewList (List - randomized) Movie1 (Procedure) BlockList1 (List - sequential) Movie2 (Procedure) BlockList2 (List - sequential) You can change the names of the logging levels from the Edit Experiment window if that is a problem. Hope this helps, Susan Campbell PsychMate Paradigm Developer ***Not speaking on behalf of my employer*** -----Original Message----- From: James T. Myers [mailto:lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:58 AM To: E-Prime List Cc: Language Processing Lab Subject: randomizing blocks independently of trials, and silent video I have a feeling there must be a simple way of doing this, but so far my assistants and I haven't figured it out. How can we get E-Prime to take a set of blocks, each with its own set of trials, and randomize the order of the blocks without making the blocks all the same? Maybe there's some default setting we're not turning off or something. By the way, the particular reason we want to do this right now is to play silent movies as primes in a sign language experiment. We create each movie as a block of sequentially ordered trials, where each trial displays a BMP still picture. If I remember right, we have it set up now so that we use every other frame from the original MPEG file and display it for 67 msec, and it looks quite acceptable for our purposes. This method would also seem to allow for collecting reaction times in the middle of a movie. I know others on this list have been interested in using movies as stimuli, and if silent movies will do, you could try this. But it all depends on being able to randomize the blocks.... James Myers Graduate Institute of Linguistics National Chung Cheng University Min-Hsiung, Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, ROC Email: lngmyers at ccunix.ccu.edu.tw Web: http://www.ccunix.ccu.edu.tw/~lngmyers/ Phone: 886-5-242-8251 Fax: 886-5-272-1654 From benn0224 at umn.edu Mon Mar 31 17:44:39 2003 From: benn0224 at umn.edu (Stephen D. Benning) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:44:39 CST Subject: Option Base 1 interferes with Sex Startup Info parameter Message-ID: I've found a wee issue with E-Prime's handling of Startup Info parameters that involved the Choice mechanism. In the User tab of my program, I've set Option Base 1 to reflect the fact that all of my array begin with element 1, not element 0. However, when I start up E-Prime, I also need to have information about the participant's sex encoded, which I've chosen to do through the standard Sex attribute in the Startup Info. Here's the problem. When I run my program, I can enter the Subject and Session attributes just fine, but when it comes time to enter the participant's Sex, E-Prime bombs out, giving me a "subscript out of range" error. When I look back at the code E-Prime generated, I find that the Sex choices were generated assuming Base 0 arrays, so that the option "male" corresponds to entry 0 in the array and "female" corresponds to entry 1. Therefore, I surmise that since I'm using Base 1, the program doesn't know what to do with an entry 0, and ttinking it's an illegal option, it promptly exits the program with an error. I've tried using Option Base 1 anywhere else besides the User tab of the Script window (against the rules set out by the documentation), which crashes the program (as the docs say it should). So, apart from me recoding everything back into Base 0 (ugh), is there a way around this program? or is this a noisome limitation of E-Prime that will hopefully be addressed in the next point release? If it's a limitation, I'd also love to see the following addressed, too: the inability of E-Prime to resize the number of rows in a List box when one copies different text files (with different numbers of rows) into a single text file that a List box reads for information. But that's a different story... Stephen Benning 75 East River Road Office: N631 Minneapolis, MN 55455