From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 16:22:13 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:22:13 -0800 Subject: stim object names Message-ID: Jordan, As Stephen Benning indicated, the Slide object was intended to do exactly what you had indicated. I would encourage that you setup one Slide object typically named Stimulus and then have a separate State object (tab). The ActiveState property accepts [attrib] attribute references, so you can have a "condition" attribute in your list that determines what state to "show" w/o the need of scripting unless you have an advanced reason to do so. You could also optionally have separate objects and then log the common items like Andrew, A.S. suggested, but requires more scripting and maintenance. -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools NOTE: Views expressed are not necessarily that of Psychology Software Tools. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From jamie.ward at ucl.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 11:37:44 2004 From: jamie.ward at ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jamie Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:37:44 +0000 Subject: sound onset and offset Message-ID: This is a related, but different, problem to some of the recent ones considered.... I would like to display a sound before a visual stimulus appears (say 100 msec) and for BOTH the sound and the visual stimulus to turn off when a response has been made. At present, the best I have been able to do is to get the sound to start ok and carry on throught the visual stimulus, but it wont switch off at the response (it carries on into the next trial) or to play the sound for 100 msec and then replay it at the beginning when the visual stimulus appears (which sounds horrid, because they are natural instrument sounds that decay). I am sure there must be a simple solution but I have not been able to find it. I dont program, but could probably mange to copt and paste some code into the script! Yours hopefully, Jamie ********************************** Dr. Jamie Ward Department of Psychology University College London Gower Street LONDON WC1E 6BT, UK Phone: +0044 (020)7679-5394 {Internal 25394} Fax: +0044 (020)7436-4276 UCL Synaesthesia Research Group http://www.syn.ucl.ac.uk Course Convenor: Msc in Cognitive Neuropsychology http://www.psychol.ucl.ac.uk/msc.cogneuro/info.html From fragne at isc.cnrs.fr Tue Mar 2 13:46:49 2004 From: fragne at isc.cnrs.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E9line?= FRAGNE) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:46:49 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hello, I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have created 5 different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data analyse for that? Thanks From odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de Tue Mar 2 13:52:14 2004 From: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de (Georg Odenthal) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:52:14 +0100 Subject: sound onset and offset In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040302113037.023aeab0@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello Jamie, This is simple. Just insert an Inline Script directly after your visual stimulus object into the procedure with this command: SoundObject.stop (you need to enter the name of the SoundObject before the ".stop"). This will stop playing the sound for the entered SoundObject. bye, Georg Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 12:37:44 PM, you wrote: DJW> This is a related, but different, problem to some of the recent ones DJW> considered.... DJW> I would like to display a sound before a visual stimulus appears (say 100 DJW> msec) and for BOTH the sound and the visual stimulus to turn off when a DJW> response has been made. DJW> At present, the best I have been able to do is to get the sound to DJW> start ok DJW> and carry on throught the visual stimulus, but it wont switch off at the DJW> response (it carries on into the next trial) or to play the sound for 100 DJW> msec and then replay it at the beginning when the visual stimulus appears DJW> (which sounds horrid, because they are natural instrument sounds that DJW> decay). DJW> I am sure there must be a simple solution but I have not been able to find DJW> it. I dont program, but could probably mange to copt and paste some code DJW> into the script! DJW> Yours hopefully, DJW> Jamie DJW> ********************************** DJW> Dr. Jamie Ward DJW> Department of Psychology DJW> University College London DJW> Gower Street DJW> LONDON WC1E 6BT, UK DJW> Phone: +0044 (020)7679-5394 {Internal 25394} DJW> Fax: +0044 (020)7436-4276 DJW> UCL Synaesthesia Research Group DJW> http://www.syn.ucl.ac.uk DJW> Course Convenor: Msc in Cognitive Neuropsychology DJW> http://www.psychol.ucl.ac.uk/msc.cogneuro/info.html Best regards, Georg ========================================================================= Georg Odenthal (Dipl.-Psych.) University of Konstanz +49 (0)7531 88-2872 Department of Psychology odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de Social Psychology and Motivation http://www.socpsych.uni-konstanz.de 78457 Konstanz, Germany ========================================================================= From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Mar 2 20:53:17 2004 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (leisha) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:53:17 -0800 Subject: Feedback object data In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040302144649.0083ad90@nimbus.isc.cnrs.fr> Message-ID: Have you turned logging on in the Feedback Object? Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA www.decisionresearch.org Céline FRAGNE wrote: >Hello, >I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have created 5 >different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to >schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data >analyse for that? > >Thanks > > > > > > From C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl Wed Mar 3 15:19:21 2004 From: C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl (C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:19:21 +0100 Subject: implementing GNAT Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to implement a Go -NoGo Association Task (GNAT) as described by Nosek, B. A., & Banaji, M. R. When a stimulus belongs to the target category subjects have to press a key (go) and they have to do nothing if it belongs to an other category (no-go). So a "key pressed" as wel as a "no key pressed" can be correct answers. Does anybody has a suggestion how to implement this in E-Prime? Thanks in advance, C. Bonnemayer Maastricht University Dept. of Medical, Clinical and Experimental Psychology P.O. Box 616 6200 MD Maastricht The Netherlands p: +31 (0)43 3882486 f: +31 (0)43 3884155 w: http://www.dmkep.unimaas.nl/ From m.paul at bangor.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 15:51:04 2004 From: m.paul at bangor.ac.uk (Matthew Paul) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:51:04 -0000 Subject: implementing GNAT In-Reply-To: <533862E7F1BB6C49A575904028B3FC8E02CDB530@mail001.unimaas.nl> Message-ID: Hi, In your List object where your conditions are defined add a column called "CorrectResp" and then next to each condition of your experiment, have the required key press response listed. For no-response, simply leave the cell blank. Then in your procedure, have the object that collects the response (slide, TextDisplay or whatever) refer to the above List column for the appropriate correct response. You do this by adding the text "[CorrectResp]" into the 'Correct' cell of the object's properties (the square brackets tell E-Prime to look to a List item for the response.) When the experiment runs and a response is expected, the program will look to see what the response should be according to the CorrectResp cells and then code your data accordingly. Matthew --------------------------------------- Matthew Paul Centre for Cognitive Neuroscience School of Psychology University of Wales, Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2AS United Kingdom www.psychology.bangor.ac.uk e-mail: m.paul at bangor.ac.uk tel: +44 1248 38 3832 fax: +44 1248 38 2599 --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl Sent: 03 March 2004 15:19 To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: implementing GNAT Hi all, I'm trying to implement a Go -NoGo Association Task (GNAT) as described by Nosek, B. A., & Banaji, M. R. When a stimulus belongs to the target category subjects have to press a key (go) and they have to do nothing if it belongs to an other category (no-go). So a "key pressed" as wel as a "no key pressed" can be correct answers. Does anybody has a suggestion how to implement this in E-Prime? Thanks in advance, C. Bonnemayer Maastricht University Dept. of Medical, Clinical and Experimental Psychology P.O. Box 616 6200 MD Maastricht The Netherlands p: +31 (0)43 3882486 f: +31 (0)43 3884155 w: http://www.dmkep.unimaas.nl/ From auday at faith.gordon.edu Thu Mar 4 14:18:11 2004 From: auday at faith.gordon.edu (Bryan Auday) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: list removal Message-ID: Question: How could I remove myself from this distribution list? My apologies for sending this out to the wrong folks, if that was the case. Sincerely, Bryan **************************************** Bryan C. Auday, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Gordon College, Wenham, MA 01984 Phone: 978-867-4824 Fax: 978-524-3763 email: auday at gordon.edu From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 4 15:23:29 2004 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:23:29 -0500 Subject: list removal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040304091638.0308aaa0@faith.gordon.edu> Message-ID: On 3/4/04 9:18 AM, "Bryan Auday" wrote: > > Question: How could I remove myself from this distribution list? > You can send removal requests to me (macw at cmu.edu) or to Kelley Sacco (sacco at cmu.edu) as noted at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html I will unsubscribe you now. Many thanks. --Brian MacWhinney From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Mar 4 16:51:19 2004 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (leisha) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:51:19 -0800 Subject: Feedback object data In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040304112641.007e6ad0@nimbus.isc.cnrs.fr> Message-ID: It probably is recording and we just don't know the name of the column in your data file that does that. Have you searched the data file for "Positif2"? Céline FRAGNE wrote: >In want in the first time, to be effectivly sure of getting the right >active state and after, it 'll be more easy for me to analyse data. I 've >make a first script to say: if RT>300 Then Feedback.ActiveState= >"Positif2"......It seems to me too that Active State must be record and >that it must be a function to do that but I don't find it. I'll try to >write another script to that >Thanks > >Céline > > >At 09:33 AM 3/3/04 -0800, you wrote: > > >>If the Response Time from a previous object (probably a Slide, right?) >>determines which active state is shown to the subject, then you know >>which active state is shown based on that response time, if you are >>logging it. However, you want to be sure you are getting the right >>active state, right? Or you just want the data file to be easier to use. >>I've created a five-point clickable response scale that returns a -2, >>-1, 0, 1, or 2 to the Response field for that slide. I just wrote a >>little script that said, if the subject clicks the left-most icon, RESP >>= "-2." That gets logged easily. >> >>Seems to me that Active State should be there as an attribute already >>for a feedback object. But I think you could write a script that >>establishes an attribute with a name that makes sense to you, like >>FState. Then say, if Feedback object's Active State = Positif, FState = >>"Positif." I think it would be fairly simple. Have you written any script? >> >>Leisha >> >>Céline FRAGNE wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, before, Excuse me for my bad english..... >>> >>> >>>I have only one Slide Feedback called Feedback with 5 different active >>>state (Positif, Positif2, Negatif, Negatif2, Neutre). This feed back >>>depend on subject's RT. In data analyse I have only if gain was poisitif or >>>negatif because this is the only thinh witch is determined before but not >>>the feedback wich appear. >>> >>> >>>Céline >>> >>> >>>At 08:31 AM 3/3/04 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>How do you call out the five different feedback objects? Is that part >>>>working for you? What are there names -- Feedback1, Feedback 2, etc.? >>>>How are they established? It says in the reference guide that all >>>>attributes are logged, and my data files are huge and definitely include >>>>all my attributes. >>>> >>>>Leisha >>>> >>>>Céline FRAGNE wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes I have try to do that but nothing else appears on data analyse. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:53 PM 3/2/04 -0800, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Have you turned logging on in the Feedback Object? >>>>>> >>>>>>Leisha Wharfield >>>>>>Production Coordinator >>>>>>Decision Research >>>>>>Eugene, Oregon, USA >>>>>>www.decisionresearch.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Céline FRAGNE wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>>I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >created 5 > > >>>>>>>different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to >>>>>>>schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data >>>>>>>analyse for that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Fri Mar 5 16:27:37 2004 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:27:37 -0000 Subject: Slide durations In-Reply-To: <000e01c3fd42$d72a2c40$95ccd781@ling.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Many thanks to all who replied - the solution was to add an attribute to the list containing the soundstims of the duration of the object, and drag that attribute to the duration property on the relavent slide object's property tabs. E From klatsky at oswego.edu Mon Mar 8 14:50:49 2004 From: klatsky at oswego.edu (Gary Klatsky) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:50:49 -0500 Subject: arrays as attribute Message-ID: Is there a way to set each element of an array as an attribute. I keep getting "illegal attribute name error message" Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky 7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 From rkwillia at bu.edu Tue Mar 9 19:19:01 2004 From: rkwillia at bu.edu (Rebecca Williams) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:19:01 -0500 Subject: Response Boxes Message-ID: We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works and E-Prime is sending us two more. Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? Thanks very much, Rebecca Williams Boston University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu Tue Mar 9 19:27:44 2004 From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:27:44 -0500 Subject: Response Boxes Message-ID: we often use a gravis gamepad pro as a response box. it looks just like a playstation controller, it costs on the order of $20 (it's cheap), and it's durable. the buttons can all be set to mimic any button on the keyboard, or be turned off. http://www.gravis.com/products/pro_eli_d1019.html we also sometimes use a controller by cedrus, though it looks like they're no longer selling the exact model we use... http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/ ben robinson research asst. Maryland Psychiatric Research Center >>> "Rebecca Williams" 03/09/04 02:19PM >>> We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works and E-Prime is sending us two more. Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? Thanks very much, Rebecca Williams Boston University From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Tue Mar 9 19:52:27 2004 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:52:27 -0600 Subject: Response Boxes In-Reply-To: <001e01c4060b$62fde5b0$0f01000a@HGARC.ORG> Message-ID: Rebecca, Here are another couple that I know of: The Brain Logics line from PST (that makes Eprime), which apparently works seamlessly with Eprime and is good if you're doing scanning (not metal). www.pstnet.com Also, I use the fORP from Current Designs in Philly. (www.curdes.com). This is also nonmetal, but to use this seamless with Eprime you must download 'ckubed', a sort of terminal emulator program. Hope this helps. Jordan At 02:19 PM 3/9/2004 -0500, Rebecca Williams wrote: >We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. >We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box >itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they >still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged >in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, >we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works >and E-Prime is sending us two more. >Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the >microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make >response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? > >Thanks very much, >Rebecca Williams > > >Boston University Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. 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At 01:19 PM 3/9/2004, Rebecca Williams wrote: >We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. >We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box >itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they >still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged >in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, >we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works >and E-Prime is sending us two more. >Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the >microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make >response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? > >Thanks very much, >Rebecca Williams > > >Boston University Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student & E-Prime Consultant University of Minnesota - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at umn.edu 612-624-3601 Lab Calendar: http://online.psych.umn.edu/is/elliott160/default.html E-Prime @ U of MN http://online.psych.umn.edu/is/Eprime/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klatsky at oswego.edu Wed Mar 17 17:07:51 2004 From: klatsky at oswego.edu (Gary Klatsky) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: unknown error code Message-ID: At the point where I am trying to display a textbox that contains a fixation mark I received the following runtime error 11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2 That code doesn't exist in my Eprime Reference Guide. Anyone know what it means Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky 7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Wed Mar 17 17:21:26 2004 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:21:26 -0600 Subject: unknown error code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I remember correctly, I received that error as well yesterday, though not in using the same function. I think it refers to a discrepancy b/w the setting on the display device in Eprime and the display resolution set on your computer. These must match for Eprime to run. This may not be the problem in your case, but that's what I remember it giving me. Jordan At 12:07 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, Gary Klatsky wrote: >At the point where I am trying to display a textbox that contains a fixation >mark I received the following runtime error >11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2 > >That code doesn't exist in my Eprime Reference Guide. Anyone know what it >means > >Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. >Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program > >Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu >Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky >7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 >Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 13:49:02 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:49:02 -0800 Subject: unknown error code Message-ID: Dr. Klatsky, The error you are receiving (11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2) is an error that under normal circumstances should not occur, which is why it is flagged as an internal error. Specifically, the error code informs the runtime system that an area in memory it uses for drawing operations (slide, canvas, image, etc) is no longer available. This usually occurs when another application has attempted to draw to the display subsystem, when resources available are low, or due to an issue with the video subsystem driver. In general, I would encourage on a quarterly or less basis to check with the vendor of your video card hardware for an updated video driver in general. Video card drivers are constantly updated by the manufactures and typically provide increased functionality, improved performance, fixes to anomalies, and overall stability. If this error happens consistently in your experiment, it may be due to a video driver update issue or there may be an external application, such as an anti-virus software, disk software, Net Meeting, Instant Messenger, etc. trying to gain access to video resources. When another application does try to use these resources while E-Prime is running, they can conflict with the operations of an experiment and cause such errors to occur. These issues are especially noticable with experiments that use EchoClient support (being able to see characters while typing). -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools NOTE: Views expressed are not necessarily those of Psychology Software Tools __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From mboultbee at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 00:08:08 2004 From: mboultbee at hotmail.com (Melanie Boultbee) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:08:08 -0500 Subject: Eprime Digest - 03/21/04 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhair at wfubmc.edu Wed Mar 24 15:37:27 2004 From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:37:27 -0500 Subject: Displaying program on second monitor Message-ID: Greetings all! We have been running a 2-monior setup w/ E-prime for awhile and loving it. W/ Windows 2k and XP, if you have > 1 monitors, scripts run through E-studio will default to running on the monitor designated as "primary" w/in windows - in our case this leaves the editor open on the 2nd one to get on-line feedback. Anyhow, while setting up a new system, this is more problematic - I need it to run on the *other* monitor, the one not designated in Windows to be the primary (b/c windows puts all its pop-ups etc on the Primary, which is not always visible in this setup). Now, the cool drivers provided by nVidia (vid card manufacturer) have a utility in which you can individualize settings for any program, so that it will always open or execute on either monitor - you can specify an executable, or even a class. I've tried specifying the E-studio .exe; this indeed opens E-studio in Monitor 2, but when the script is run, it does so on Monitor 1 (windows primary). Okay, so after all this, my question is - anybody know of an executable, or a specific class, that is associated w/ the running script that the drivers can pick up to run on the desired monitor? Thanks folks! W. 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W/ Windows 2k and XP, if you have > 1 U> monitors, scripts run through E-studio will default to U> running on the monitor designated as "primary" w/in windows U> - in our case this leaves the editor open on the 2nd one to U> get on-line feedback. Anyhow, while setting up a new U> system, this is more problematic - I need it to run on the U> *other* monitor, the one not designated in Windows to be the U> primary (b/c windows puts all its pop-ups etc on the U> Primary, which is not always visible in this setup). U> U> Now, the cool drivers provided by nVidia (vid card U> manufacturer) have a utility in which you can individualize U> settings for any program, so that it will always open or U> execute on either monitor - you can specify an executable, U> or even a class. I've tried specifying the E-studio .exe; U> this indeed opens E-studio in Monitor 2, but when the script U> is run, it does so on Monitor 1 (windows primary). U> U> Okay, so after all this, my question is - anybody know of an U> executable, or a specific class, that is associated w/ the U> running script that the drivers can pick up to run on the U> desired monitor? U> U> U> Thanks folks! U> U> U> W. David Hairston U> Neurobiology and Anatomy U> U> Wake Forest University School of Medicine U> Winston-Salem, NC 27157 U> (336) 716-4481 (lab) U> U> U> From francisa at purdue.edu Wed Mar 24 22:34:04 2004 From: francisa at purdue.edu (Alex Francis) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: Method of constant stimuli? Message-ID: Has anyone on the list implemented any of the common psychophysical JND-estimation procedures in Eprime (method of limits, constant stimuli, or adjustment)? If so, would you be willing to share your script? I'm most interested in a method of constant stimuli script, but could also adapt a method of limits with an up and/or down staircase procedure. Method of adjustment won't work for this project. Thanks in advance, -alex Alexander L. Francis http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~francisa Assistant Professor francisA at purdue.edu Audiology and Speech Sciences ofc. +1 (765) 494-3815 Purdue University lab. +1 (765) 494-7553 500 Oval Drive fax. +1 (765) 494-0771 West Lafayette IN 47907-2038 USA ------------my employer requires the following addendum------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and the documents accompanying this email may contain legally privileged confidential information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction or distribution of this email or its attachments, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this email or its attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email. From vonkarc at uwec.edu Mon Mar 29 14:09:19 2004 From: vonkarc at uwec.edu (Catya von Karolyi) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:09:19 -0600 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Although I solved the problem mechanically with toothpicks and duct tape , I wondered whether anyone has written and could share error trapping code for ignoring erroneous participant responses depressing the Windows menu key. TIA, Catya PS RE: unknown error code Just in case this helps: I *think* I've received the error to which you are referring in two other cases. First, when there are not enough canvases declared and you are pre-loading bitmaps. And second, when I ran my experiment from a new directory so that it didn't know the path to call the correct files. From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 15:21:00 2004 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:21:00 +0100 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error code In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040329080919.00a1b480@pop.uwec.edu> Message-ID: There's a registry patch you can make on a computer to prevent the winkey from being recognised (I use it to prevent users locking the machines and wandering off):- I've found that for some reason if you cut the text into a .reg file and double click on it, regedit often doesn't notice the bin: part of the file, and it doesn't enter it correctly, so that the only way to do it is to run regedit, navigate to the required key, and from the edit menu New -> binary value, call it scancode map, and then manually enter the data [not the bit marked bin:] (I had to do this on 28 machines, so if anyone knows of a way of automating it, please don't tell me). As always, the usual disclaimers about messing with the registry apply, including the one that says if your PC begins a new career as a doorstop, don't blame me. Hope this helps Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh. >>>>>>>>>Begin text Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=bin:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,00,00,5b,e0,00,00,5c,e0,\ 00,00,00,00 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Catya von Karolyi U> Sent: 29 March 2004 15:09 U> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to U> unknown error code U> U> U> Hi, U> Although I solved the problem mechanically with U> toothpicks and duct tape , I wondered whether anyone has U> written and could share error trapping code for ignoring U> erroneous participant responses depressing the Windows menu U> key. TIA, Catya PS RE: unknown error code U> Just in case this helps: I *think* I've received the U> error to which you are referring in two other cases. First, U> when there are not enough canvases declared and you are U> pre-loading bitmaps. And second, when I ran my experiment U> from a new directory so that it didn't know the path to call U> the correct files. U> From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 20:47:09 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:47:09 -0800 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error Message-ID: There is a Knowledge Base article available on this very topic on the E-Prime Web Support Site. "1371 - INFO: How to avoid accidental pressing of special keys (Windows Key, Ctrl+Escape)" http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1371 I have omitted the contents for brevity sake (which I can include if requested), but there are utilities available that can temporarily turn these keys off. -Brandon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 16:22:13 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:22:13 -0800 Subject: stim object names Message-ID: Jordan, As Stephen Benning indicated, the Slide object was intended to do exactly what you had indicated. I would encourage that you setup one Slide object typically named Stimulus and then have a separate State object (tab). The ActiveState property accepts [attrib] attribute references, so you can have a "condition" attribute in your list that determines what state to "show" w/o the need of scripting unless you have an advanced reason to do so. You could also optionally have separate objects and then log the common items like Andrew, A.S. suggested, but requires more scripting and maintenance. -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools NOTE: Views expressed are not necessarily that of Psychology Software Tools. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From jamie.ward at ucl.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 11:37:44 2004 From: jamie.ward at ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jamie Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:37:44 +0000 Subject: sound onset and offset Message-ID: This is a related, but different, problem to some of the recent ones considered.... I would like to display a sound before a visual stimulus appears (say 100 msec) and for BOTH the sound and the visual stimulus to turn off when a response has been made. At present, the best I have been able to do is to get the sound to start ok and carry on throught the visual stimulus, but it wont switch off at the response (it carries on into the next trial) or to play the sound for 100 msec and then replay it at the beginning when the visual stimulus appears (which sounds horrid, because they are natural instrument sounds that decay). I am sure there must be a simple solution but I have not been able to find it. I dont program, but could probably mange to copt and paste some code into the script! Yours hopefully, Jamie ********************************** Dr. Jamie Ward Department of Psychology University College London Gower Street LONDON WC1E 6BT, UK Phone: +0044 (020)7679-5394 {Internal 25394} Fax: +0044 (020)7436-4276 UCL Synaesthesia Research Group http://www.syn.ucl.ac.uk Course Convenor: Msc in Cognitive Neuropsychology http://www.psychol.ucl.ac.uk/msc.cogneuro/info.html From fragne at isc.cnrs.fr Tue Mar 2 13:46:49 2004 From: fragne at isc.cnrs.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E9line?= FRAGNE) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:46:49 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hello, I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have created 5 different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data analyse for that? Thanks From odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de Tue Mar 2 13:52:14 2004 From: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de (Georg Odenthal) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:52:14 +0100 Subject: sound onset and offset In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040302113037.023aeab0@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello Jamie, This is simple. Just insert an Inline Script directly after your visual stimulus object into the procedure with this command: SoundObject.stop (you need to enter the name of the SoundObject before the ".stop"). This will stop playing the sound for the entered SoundObject. bye, Georg Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 12:37:44 PM, you wrote: DJW> This is a related, but different, problem to some of the recent ones DJW> considered.... DJW> I would like to display a sound before a visual stimulus appears (say 100 DJW> msec) and for BOTH the sound and the visual stimulus to turn off when a DJW> response has been made. DJW> At present, the best I have been able to do is to get the sound to DJW> start ok DJW> and carry on throught the visual stimulus, but it wont switch off at the DJW> response (it carries on into the next trial) or to play the sound for 100 DJW> msec and then replay it at the beginning when the visual stimulus appears DJW> (which sounds horrid, because they are natural instrument sounds that DJW> decay). DJW> I am sure there must be a simple solution but I have not been able to find DJW> it. I dont program, but could probably mange to copt and paste some code DJW> into the script! DJW> Yours hopefully, DJW> Jamie DJW> ********************************** DJW> Dr. Jamie Ward DJW> Department of Psychology DJW> University College London DJW> Gower Street DJW> LONDON WC1E 6BT, UK DJW> Phone: +0044 (020)7679-5394 {Internal 25394} DJW> Fax: +0044 (020)7436-4276 DJW> UCL Synaesthesia Research Group DJW> http://www.syn.ucl.ac.uk DJW> Course Convenor: Msc in Cognitive Neuropsychology DJW> http://www.psychol.ucl.ac.uk/msc.cogneuro/info.html Best regards, Georg ========================================================================= Georg Odenthal (Dipl.-Psych.) University of Konstanz +49 (0)7531 88-2872 Department of Psychology odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de Social Psychology and Motivation http://www.socpsych.uni-konstanz.de 78457 Konstanz, Germany ========================================================================= From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Mar 2 20:53:17 2004 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (leisha) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:53:17 -0800 Subject: Feedback object data In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040302144649.0083ad90@nimbus.isc.cnrs.fr> Message-ID: Have you turned logging on in the Feedback Object? Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA www.decisionresearch.org C?line FRAGNE wrote: >Hello, >I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have created 5 >different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to >schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data >analyse for that? > >Thanks > > > > > > From C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl Wed Mar 3 15:19:21 2004 From: C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl (C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:19:21 +0100 Subject: implementing GNAT Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to implement a Go -NoGo Association Task (GNAT) as described by Nosek, B. A., & Banaji, M. R. When a stimulus belongs to the target category subjects have to press a key (go) and they have to do nothing if it belongs to an other category (no-go). So a "key pressed" as wel as a "no key pressed" can be correct answers. Does anybody has a suggestion how to implement this in E-Prime? Thanks in advance, C. Bonnemayer Maastricht University Dept. of Medical, Clinical and Experimental Psychology P.O. Box 616 6200 MD Maastricht The Netherlands p: +31 (0)43 3882486 f: +31 (0)43 3884155 w: http://www.dmkep.unimaas.nl/ From m.paul at bangor.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 15:51:04 2004 From: m.paul at bangor.ac.uk (Matthew Paul) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:51:04 -0000 Subject: implementing GNAT In-Reply-To: <533862E7F1BB6C49A575904028B3FC8E02CDB530@mail001.unimaas.nl> Message-ID: Hi, In your List object where your conditions are defined add a column called "CorrectResp" and then next to each condition of your experiment, have the required key press response listed. For no-response, simply leave the cell blank. Then in your procedure, have the object that collects the response (slide, TextDisplay or whatever) refer to the above List column for the appropriate correct response. You do this by adding the text "[CorrectResp]" into the 'Correct' cell of the object's properties (the square brackets tell E-Prime to look to a List item for the response.) When the experiment runs and a response is expected, the program will look to see what the response should be according to the CorrectResp cells and then code your data accordingly. Matthew --------------------------------------- Matthew Paul Centre for Cognitive Neuroscience School of Psychology University of Wales, Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2AS United Kingdom www.psychology.bangor.ac.uk e-mail: m.paul at bangor.ac.uk tel: +44 1248 38 3832 fax: +44 1248 38 2599 --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of C.Bonnemayer at DMKEP.unimaas.nl Sent: 03 March 2004 15:19 To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: implementing GNAT Hi all, I'm trying to implement a Go -NoGo Association Task (GNAT) as described by Nosek, B. A., & Banaji, M. R. When a stimulus belongs to the target category subjects have to press a key (go) and they have to do nothing if it belongs to an other category (no-go). So a "key pressed" as wel as a "no key pressed" can be correct answers. Does anybody has a suggestion how to implement this in E-Prime? Thanks in advance, C. Bonnemayer Maastricht University Dept. of Medical, Clinical and Experimental Psychology P.O. Box 616 6200 MD Maastricht The Netherlands p: +31 (0)43 3882486 f: +31 (0)43 3884155 w: http://www.dmkep.unimaas.nl/ From auday at faith.gordon.edu Thu Mar 4 14:18:11 2004 From: auday at faith.gordon.edu (Bryan Auday) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: list removal Message-ID: Question: How could I remove myself from this distribution list? My apologies for sending this out to the wrong folks, if that was the case. Sincerely, Bryan **************************************** Bryan C. Auday, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Gordon College, Wenham, MA 01984 Phone: 978-867-4824 Fax: 978-524-3763 email: auday at gordon.edu From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 4 15:23:29 2004 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:23:29 -0500 Subject: list removal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040304091638.0308aaa0@faith.gordon.edu> Message-ID: On 3/4/04 9:18 AM, "Bryan Auday" wrote: > > Question: How could I remove myself from this distribution list? > You can send removal requests to me (macw at cmu.edu) or to Kelley Sacco (sacco at cmu.edu) as noted at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html I will unsubscribe you now. Many thanks. --Brian MacWhinney From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Mar 4 16:51:19 2004 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (leisha) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:51:19 -0800 Subject: Feedback object data In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040304112641.007e6ad0@nimbus.isc.cnrs.fr> Message-ID: It probably is recording and we just don't know the name of the column in your data file that does that. Have you searched the data file for "Positif2"? C?line FRAGNE wrote: >In want in the first time, to be effectivly sure of getting the right >active state and after, it 'll be more easy for me to analyse data. I 've >make a first script to say: if RT>300 Then Feedback.ActiveState= >"Positif2"......It seems to me too that Active State must be record and >that it must be a function to do that but I don't find it. I'll try to >write another script to that >Thanks > >C?line > > >At 09:33 AM 3/3/04 -0800, you wrote: > > >>If the Response Time from a previous object (probably a Slide, right?) >>determines which active state is shown to the subject, then you know >>which active state is shown based on that response time, if you are >>logging it. However, you want to be sure you are getting the right >>active state, right? Or you just want the data file to be easier to use. >>I've created a five-point clickable response scale that returns a -2, >>-1, 0, 1, or 2 to the Response field for that slide. I just wrote a >>little script that said, if the subject clicks the left-most icon, RESP >>= "-2." That gets logged easily. >> >>Seems to me that Active State should be there as an attribute already >>for a feedback object. But I think you could write a script that >>establishes an attribute with a name that makes sense to you, like >>FState. Then say, if Feedback object's Active State = Positif, FState = >>"Positif." I think it would be fairly simple. Have you written any script? >> >>Leisha >> >>C?line FRAGNE wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, before, Excuse me for my bad english..... >>> >>> >>>I have only one Slide Feedback called Feedback with 5 different active >>>state (Positif, Positif2, Negatif, Negatif2, Neutre). This feed back >>>depend on subject's RT. In data analyse I have only if gain was poisitif or >>>negatif because this is the only thinh witch is determined before but not >>>the feedback wich appear. >>> >>> >>>C?line >>> >>> >>>At 08:31 AM 3/3/04 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>How do you call out the five different feedback objects? Is that part >>>>working for you? What are there names -- Feedback1, Feedback 2, etc.? >>>>How are they established? It says in the reference guide that all >>>>attributes are logged, and my data files are huge and definitely include >>>>all my attributes. >>>> >>>>Leisha >>>> >>>>C?line FRAGNE wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes I have try to do that but nothing else appears on data analyse. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:53 PM 3/2/04 -0800, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Have you turned logging on in the Feedback Object? >>>>>> >>>>>>Leisha Wharfield >>>>>>Production Coordinator >>>>>>Decision Research >>>>>>Eugene, Oregon, USA >>>>>>www.decisionresearch.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>C?line FRAGNE wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>>I have one program with feed back depend on subject's RT. I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >created 5 > > >>>>>>>different feedback and I don't know to add in Data analyse one colonn to >>>>>>>schow wich feed back appear. can you say me how to add a colonn in data >>>>>>>analyse for that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Fri Mar 5 16:27:37 2004 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:27:37 -0000 Subject: Slide durations In-Reply-To: <000e01c3fd42$d72a2c40$95ccd781@ling.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Many thanks to all who replied - the solution was to add an attribute to the list containing the soundstims of the duration of the object, and drag that attribute to the duration property on the relavent slide object's property tabs. E From klatsky at oswego.edu Mon Mar 8 14:50:49 2004 From: klatsky at oswego.edu (Gary Klatsky) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:50:49 -0500 Subject: arrays as attribute Message-ID: Is there a way to set each element of an array as an attribute. I keep getting "illegal attribute name error message" Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky 7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 From rkwillia at bu.edu Tue Mar 9 19:19:01 2004 From: rkwillia at bu.edu (Rebecca Williams) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:19:01 -0500 Subject: Response Boxes Message-ID: We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works and E-Prime is sending us two more. Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? Thanks very much, Rebecca Williams Boston University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu Tue Mar 9 19:27:44 2004 From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:27:44 -0500 Subject: Response Boxes Message-ID: we often use a gravis gamepad pro as a response box. it looks just like a playstation controller, it costs on the order of $20 (it's cheap), and it's durable. the buttons can all be set to mimic any button on the keyboard, or be turned off. http://www.gravis.com/products/pro_eli_d1019.html we also sometimes use a controller by cedrus, though it looks like they're no longer selling the exact model we use... http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/ ben robinson research asst. Maryland Psychiatric Research Center >>> "Rebecca Williams" 03/09/04 02:19PM >>> We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works and E-Prime is sending us two more. Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? Thanks very much, Rebecca Williams Boston University From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Tue Mar 9 19:52:27 2004 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:52:27 -0600 Subject: Response Boxes In-Reply-To: <001e01c4060b$62fde5b0$0f01000a@HGARC.ORG> Message-ID: Rebecca, Here are another couple that I know of: The Brain Logics line from PST (that makes Eprime), which apparently works seamlessly with Eprime and is good if you're doing scanning (not metal). www.pstnet.com Also, I use the fORP from Current Designs in Philly. (www.curdes.com). This is also nonmetal, but to use this seamless with Eprime you must download 'ckubed', a sort of terminal emulator program. Hope this helps. Jordan At 02:19 PM 3/9/2004 -0500, Rebecca Williams wrote: >We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. >We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box >itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they >still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged >in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, >we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works >and E-Prime is sending us two more. >Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the >microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make >response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? > >Thanks very much, >Rebecca Williams > > >Boston University Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. 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At 01:19 PM 3/9/2004, Rebecca Williams wrote: >We've had continuing problems with the microphones and PST response boxes. >We've adjusted the mic sensitivity both with software and on the box >itself and have been testing them with their utilities software and they >still either trip when there's no sound (and the microphone isn't plugged >in) or don't trip no matter how loud the sound is. Upon E-Prime's advice, >we eventually sent back ours, received 2 ones, neither one of which works >and E-Prime is sending us two more. >Has anybody else been having problems with the voice key and the >microphone? And does anybody know if there any other companies that make >response boxes which are compatible with E-Prime? > >Thanks very much, >Rebecca Williams > > >Boston University Cynthia J. DeVore Graduate Student & E-Prime Consultant University of Minnesota - Industrial/Organizational Psychology devo0023 at umn.edu 612-624-3601 Lab Calendar: http://online.psych.umn.edu/is/elliott160/default.html E-Prime @ U of MN http://online.psych.umn.edu/is/Eprime/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klatsky at oswego.edu Wed Mar 17 17:07:51 2004 From: klatsky at oswego.edu (Gary Klatsky) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: unknown error code Message-ID: At the point where I am trying to display a textbox that contains a fixation mark I received the following runtime error 11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2 That code doesn't exist in my Eprime Reference Guide. Anyone know what it means Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky 7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Wed Mar 17 17:21:26 2004 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:21:26 -0600 Subject: unknown error code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I remember correctly, I received that error as well yesterday, though not in using the same function. I think it refers to a discrepancy b/w the setting on the display device in Eprime and the display resolution set on your computer. These must match for Eprime to run. This may not be the problem in your case, but that's what I remember it giving me. Jordan At 12:07 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, Gary Klatsky wrote: >At the point where I am trying to display a textbox that contains a fixation >mark I received the following runtime error >11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2 > >That code doesn't exist in my Eprime Reference Guide. Anyone know what it >means > >Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. >Director, Human Computer Interaction M.A. Program > >Department of Psychology klatsky at oswego.edu >Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky >7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 >Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 13:49:02 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:49:02 -0800 Subject: unknown error code Message-ID: Dr. Klatsky, The error you are receiving (11009: Internal Error: Drawing error 0x887601c2) is an error that under normal circumstances should not occur, which is why it is flagged as an internal error. Specifically, the error code informs the runtime system that an area in memory it uses for drawing operations (slide, canvas, image, etc) is no longer available. This usually occurs when another application has attempted to draw to the display subsystem, when resources available are low, or due to an issue with the video subsystem driver. In general, I would encourage on a quarterly or less basis to check with the vendor of your video card hardware for an updated video driver in general. Video card drivers are constantly updated by the manufactures and typically provide increased functionality, improved performance, fixes to anomalies, and overall stability. If this error happens consistently in your experiment, it may be due to a video driver update issue or there may be an external application, such as an anti-virus software, disk software, Net Meeting, Instant Messenger, etc. trying to gain access to video resources. When another application does try to use these resources while E-Prime is running, they can conflict with the operations of an experiment and cause such errors to occur. These issues are especially noticable with experiments that use EchoClient support (being able to see characters while typing). -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools NOTE: Views expressed are not necessarily those of Psychology Software Tools __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From mboultbee at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 00:08:08 2004 From: mboultbee at hotmail.com (Melanie Boultbee) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:08:08 -0500 Subject: Eprime Digest - 03/21/04 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhair at wfubmc.edu Wed Mar 24 15:37:27 2004 From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:37:27 -0500 Subject: Displaying program on second monitor Message-ID: Greetings all! We have been running a 2-monior setup w/ E-prime for awhile and loving it. W/ Windows 2k and XP, if you have > 1 monitors, scripts run through E-studio will default to running on the monitor designated as "primary" w/in windows - in our case this leaves the editor open on the 2nd one to get on-line feedback. Anyhow, while setting up a new system, this is more problematic - I need it to run on the *other* monitor, the one not designated in Windows to be the primary (b/c windows puts all its pop-ups etc on the Primary, which is not always visible in this setup). Now, the cool drivers provided by nVidia (vid card manufacturer) have a utility in which you can individualize settings for any program, so that it will always open or execute on either monitor - you can specify an executable, or even a class. I've tried specifying the E-studio .exe; this indeed opens E-studio in Monitor 2, but when the script is run, it does so on Monitor 1 (windows primary). Okay, so after all this, my question is - anybody know of an executable, or a specific class, that is associated w/ the running script that the drivers can pick up to run on the desired monitor? Thanks folks! W. David Hairston Neurobiology and Anatomy Wake Forest University School of Medicine Winston-Salem, NC 27157 (336) 716-4481 (lab) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Wed Mar 24 16:39:07 2004 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:39:07 -0000 Subject: Displaying program on second monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ":\Program Files\PST\E-Prime\Program\E-Run.exe" as a guess E U> -----Original Message----- U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of David Hairston U> Sent: 24 March 2004 15:37 U> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> Subject: Displaying program on second monitor U> U> U> Greetings all! U> We have been running a 2-monior setup w/ E-prime for awhile U> and loving it. W/ Windows 2k and XP, if you have > 1 U> monitors, scripts run through E-studio will default to U> running on the monitor designated as "primary" w/in windows U> - in our case this leaves the editor open on the 2nd one to U> get on-line feedback. Anyhow, while setting up a new U> system, this is more problematic - I need it to run on the U> *other* monitor, the one not designated in Windows to be the U> primary (b/c windows puts all its pop-ups etc on the U> Primary, which is not always visible in this setup). U> U> Now, the cool drivers provided by nVidia (vid card U> manufacturer) have a utility in which you can individualize U> settings for any program, so that it will always open or U> execute on either monitor - you can specify an executable, U> or even a class. I've tried specifying the E-studio .exe; U> this indeed opens E-studio in Monitor 2, but when the script U> is run, it does so on Monitor 1 (windows primary). U> U> Okay, so after all this, my question is - anybody know of an U> executable, or a specific class, that is associated w/ the U> running script that the drivers can pick up to run on the U> desired monitor? U> U> U> Thanks folks! U> U> U> W. David Hairston U> Neurobiology and Anatomy U> U> Wake Forest University School of Medicine U> Winston-Salem, NC 27157 U> (336) 716-4481 (lab) U> U> U> From francisa at purdue.edu Wed Mar 24 22:34:04 2004 From: francisa at purdue.edu (Alex Francis) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: Method of constant stimuli? Message-ID: Has anyone on the list implemented any of the common psychophysical JND-estimation procedures in Eprime (method of limits, constant stimuli, or adjustment)? If so, would you be willing to share your script? I'm most interested in a method of constant stimuli script, but could also adapt a method of limits with an up and/or down staircase procedure. Method of adjustment won't work for this project. Thanks in advance, -alex Alexander L. Francis http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~francisa Assistant Professor francisA at purdue.edu Audiology and Speech Sciences ofc. +1 (765) 494-3815 Purdue University lab. +1 (765) 494-7553 500 Oval Drive fax. +1 (765) 494-0771 West Lafayette IN 47907-2038 USA ------------my employer requires the following addendum------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and the documents accompanying this email may contain legally privileged confidential information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction or distribution of this email or its attachments, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this email or its attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email. From vonkarc at uwec.edu Mon Mar 29 14:09:19 2004 From: vonkarc at uwec.edu (Catya von Karolyi) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:09:19 -0600 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Although I solved the problem mechanically with toothpicks and duct tape , I wondered whether anyone has written and could share error trapping code for ignoring erroneous participant responses depressing the Windows menu key. TIA, Catya PS RE: unknown error code Just in case this helps: I *think* I've received the error to which you are referring in two other cases. First, when there are not enough canvases declared and you are pre-loading bitmaps. And second, when I ran my experiment from a new directory so that it didn't know the path to call the correct files. From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 15:21:00 2004 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:21:00 +0100 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error code In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040329080919.00a1b480@pop.uwec.edu> Message-ID: There's a registry patch you can make on a computer to prevent the winkey from being recognised (I use it to prevent users locking the machines and wandering off):- I've found that for some reason if you cut the text into a .reg file and double click on it, regedit often doesn't notice the bin: part of the file, and it doesn't enter it correctly, so that the only way to do it is to run regedit, navigate to the required key, and from the edit menu New -> binary value, call it scancode map, and then manually enter the data [not the bit marked bin:] (I had to do this on 28 machines, so if anyone knows of a way of automating it, please don't tell me). As always, the usual disclaimers about messing with the registry apply, including the one that says if your PC begins a new career as a doorstop, don't blame me. Hope this helps Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh. >>>>>>>>>Begin text Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=bin:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,00,00,5b,e0,00,00,5c,e0,\ 00,00,00,00 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Catya von Karolyi U> Sent: 29 March 2004 15:09 U> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org U> Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to U> unknown error code U> U> U> Hi, U> Although I solved the problem mechanically with U> toothpicks and duct tape , I wondered whether anyone has U> written and could share error trapping code for ignoring U> erroneous participant responses depressing the Windows menu U> key. TIA, Catya PS RE: unknown error code U> Just in case this helps: I *think* I've received the U> error to which you are referring in two other cases. First, U> when there are not enough canvases declared and you are U> pre-loading bitmaps. And second, when I ran my experiment U> from a new directory so that it didn't know the path to call U> the correct files. U> From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 20:47:09 2004 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:47:09 -0800 Subject: Disabling the Windows menu key? / response to unknown error Message-ID: There is a Knowledge Base article available on this very topic on the E-Prime Web Support Site. "1371 - INFO: How to avoid accidental pressing of special keys (Windows Key, Ctrl+Escape)" http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1371 I have omitted the contents for brevity sake (which I can include if requested), but there are utilities available that can temporarily turn these keys off. -Brandon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html