From EDavidse at chdr.nl Mon Dec 5 13:32:25 2005 From: EDavidse at chdr.nl (Esther Davidse) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:32:25 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection Message-ID: Dear E-prime user, At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. 1. Would this be possible? 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? Best regards, Esther Davidse E.D.B. Davidse, MSc CNS Research Coordinator Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) Zernikedreef 10 2333 CL Leiden The Netherlands E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 From uni at robertdoerr.de Mon Dec 5 14:00:49 2005 From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:00:49 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Esther, Time logging in your experiment is done by the following line: ebContext.SetAttrib "SessionTime", Time$ Just create an Inline containing this line right behind your 'start'-button display. Robert Esther Davidse wrote: > Dear E-prime user, > > At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. > 1. Would this be possible? > 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? > > Best regards, > > Esther Davidse > > E.D.B. Davidse, MSc > CNS Research Coordinator > > Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) > Zernikedreef 10 > 2333 CL Leiden > The Netherlands > > E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl > Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 > Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 > > > > > > From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk Mon Dec 5 14:12:40 2005 From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:12:40 +0000 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: ; from "leeh" at Mon Dec 05 14:12:40 2005 Message-ID: you can record the clock time by putting this: dim absoluteStartPufftime as string in the user script and this: absoluteStartPufftime = Time$ c.SetAttrib "absoluteStartPufftime", absoluteStartPufftime in an inline after the participant presses the start button. or you could record the relative time from the start of the experiment using the clock.read method. Lee. -- Begin original message -- From: "Esther Davidse" Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:32:25 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection Sender: To: Dear E-prime user, At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. 1. Would this be possible? 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? Best regards, Esther Davidse E.D.B. Davidse, MSc CNS Research Coordinator Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) Zernikedreef 10 2333 CL Leiden The Netherlands E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 -- End original message -- From maxwell.jeff at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 15:03:22 2005 From: maxwell.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Maxwell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0600 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, In most List_object columns one can dynamically assign/update values (e.g., read in an attribute). But I'm having trouble getting this to work with the Weight column. Is there a way to do this? If not, I can use a loop in the procedure with a scripted counter/conditional set, but then I would need to log each loop through the procedure as a formal trial in the resulting .edat file (i.e. as if each time through the loop had been initiated in the list object) -- and I am unsure the most effective way to do this. Ideas? Thanks much, Jeff Maxwell -- Jeffrey S. Maxwell Laboratory for Brain Imaging & Behavior Laboratory for Affective Neuroscience jsmaxwell at wisc.edu (608) 263 3672 http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~maxwell/ From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 16:35:20 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:35:20 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jeff, You can change the weight of a level by using the SetWeight routine before running the list. Don't forget to call the Reset routine of the list after any such modification. best Paul >From: Jeff Maxwell >Reply-To: jsmaxwell at wisc.edu >To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >Subject: Re: E-prime time collection >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0600 > >Hi All, >In most List_object columns one can dynamically assign/update values >(e.g., read in an attribute). But I'm having trouble getting this to >work with the Weight column. Is there a way to do this? > >If not, I can use a loop in the procedure with a scripted >counter/conditional set, but then I would need to log each loop >through the procedure as a formal trial in the resulting .edat file >(i.e. as if each time through the loop had been initiated in the list >object) -- and I am unsure the most effective way to do this. Ideas? > >Thanks much, >Jeff Maxwell > > >-- >Jeffrey S. Maxwell >Laboratory for Brain Imaging & Behavior >Laboratory for Affective Neuroscience >jsmaxwell at wisc.edu >(608) 263 3672 >http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~maxwell/ > From nmkoerner at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 01:57:20 2005 From: nmkoerner at yahoo.com (Naomi Koerner) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:57:20 -0800 Subject: probe detection task Message-ID: Hi E-Prime Users, I am constructing a probe detection paradigm using E-prime. Basically, I will a present a pair of words together on the screen for a few milliseconds. When the word pair disappears, a probe (a dot or other symbol) appears in the location previously occupied by one of the words and participants are required to press a button as fast as possible to indicate the location of the probe (top or bottom of screen). It is a simple attentional task, very common. I was hoping someone might have a script for a task similar to this that I could look at to see whether I've constructed mine properly. If anyone has a script for a probe detection paradigm of any kind that they could send me, I would be so appreciative. I've been working on this for some time and no one in our dept. has used E-prime for this purpose. Thanks, Best Wishes, Naomi Koerner Naomi Koerner, M.A., (Ph.D. candidate) Anxiety Disorders Laboratory Room SP-319 Department of Psychology Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H4B 1R6 Phone: 514-848-2424 x 2229 Fax: 514-848-4545 E-mail: nmkoerner at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu Wed Dec 21 18:21:16 2005 From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? Message-ID: is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? i've tried inserting this code: c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" and also tried with this code: c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... any thoughts would be appreciated. ben robinson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uni at robertdoerr.de Wed Dec 21 21:10:39 2005 From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:10:39 +0100 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben, you have to initialize a new DataFile object. Just put the following code in an inline script at the beginning of your experiment: set c.DataFile = new DataFile c.DataFile.Filename = "whatever.txt" If FileExists(c.DataFile.Filename) Then If ebYes <> MsgBox("WARNING: The data file and/or recovery file already exists:\nFILE: " & c.DataFile.Filename & "\n\nDo you want to overwrite?", ebYesNo + ebQuestion) Then GoTo ExperimentAbort End If End If c.DataFile.Open c.LogHeader You can spare the "If...End If" part if you want. Best regards Robert Ben Robinson wrote: > is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a > user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? > > i've tried inserting this code: > c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & > CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & > CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" > and also tried with this code: > c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") > > but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been > created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... > > any thoughts would be appreciated. > > ben robinson From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 09:45:12 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:45:12 +0100 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi ben, You could also use a utility called EKick (http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-plus/). This utility translates your ebs-script on the fly and has an option for specifying name and location of the data file. A small readme is supplied within the zip-file. best, paul >From: "Ben Robinson" >To: >Subject: are user defined filenames possible? >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 > >is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a user-defined >string variable, rather than the SubjectID? > >i've tried inserting this code: >c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & >CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & >CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" > >and also tried with this code: >c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") > >but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been created and >named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... > >any thoughts would be appreciated. > >ben robinson > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Dec 22 17:24:19 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:24:19 -0800 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Paul. I went to the web site to find out more about EKick and found the DualResponse.es written by Susan Campbell of CMU. I'm working on an experiment that gives a range of responses on a scale where half the responses are either correct or incorrect, and this experiment is an elegant solution to providing the correct response in the next revision. Thanks, Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Paul Gr wrote: > hi ben, > > You could also use a utility called EKick > (http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-plus/). > This utility translates your ebs-script on the fly and has an option > for specifying name and location of the data file. A small readme is > supplied within the zip-file. > > best, > paul > > >> From: "Ben Robinson" >> To: >> Subject: are user defined filenames possible? >> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 >> >> is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a >> user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? >> >> i've tried inserting this code: >> c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & >> CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & >> CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" >> >> and also tried with this code: >> c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") >> >> but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been >> created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own >> code... >> >> any thoughts would be appreciated. >> >> ben robinson >> > > > > -- "Billions and billions." And it wasn't written, it appeared spontaneously with a big bang. And God said, "Let them eat archaic." And God looked on it, and said, "MMMmmmmmm... /sprinkles/!" Dennis M. Hammes From EDavidse at chdr.nl Mon Dec 5 13:32:25 2005 From: EDavidse at chdr.nl (Esther Davidse) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:32:25 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection Message-ID: Dear E-prime user, At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. 1. Would this be possible? 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? Best regards, Esther Davidse E.D.B. Davidse, MSc CNS Research Coordinator Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) Zernikedreef 10 2333 CL Leiden The Netherlands E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 From uni at robertdoerr.de Mon Dec 5 14:00:49 2005 From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:00:49 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Esther, Time logging in your experiment is done by the following line: ebContext.SetAttrib "SessionTime", Time$ Just create an Inline containing this line right behind your 'start'-button display. Robert Esther Davidse wrote: > Dear E-prime user, > > At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. > 1. Would this be possible? > 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? > > Best regards, > > Esther Davidse > > E.D.B. Davidse, MSc > CNS Research Coordinator > > Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) > Zernikedreef 10 > 2333 CL Leiden > The Netherlands > > E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl > Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 > Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 > > > > > > From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk Mon Dec 5 14:12:40 2005 From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:12:40 +0000 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: ; from "leeh" at Mon Dec 05 14:12:40 2005 Message-ID: you can record the clock time by putting this: dim absoluteStartPufftime as string in the user script and this: absoluteStartPufftime = Time$ c.SetAttrib "absoluteStartPufftime", absoluteStartPufftime in an inline after the participant presses the start button. or you could record the relative time from the start of the experiment using the clock.read method. Lee. -- Begin original message -- From: "Esther Davidse" Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:32:25 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection Sender: To: Dear E-prime user, At CHDR we currently work with E-prime test. In order to collect the data in the right order, study nr., subject nr., occasion nr. and time are saved. The time of registration, is the time when F7 is used on the keyboard. We would like to save the time when the 'start' button is pressed by the participant of the test. 1. Would this be possible? 2. If so, how should we rewrite the script? Best regards, Esther Davidse E.D.B. Davidse, MSc CNS Research Coordinator Centre for Human Drug Research (CHDR) Zernikedreef 10 2333 CL Leiden The Netherlands E-mail: EDavidse at CHDR.nl Phone: +31. 71. 5246415 Fax: +31. 71. 5246499 -- End original message -- From maxwell.jeff at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 15:03:22 2005 From: maxwell.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Maxwell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0600 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, In most List_object columns one can dynamically assign/update values (e.g., read in an attribute). But I'm having trouble getting this to work with the Weight column. Is there a way to do this? If not, I can use a loop in the procedure with a scripted counter/conditional set, but then I would need to log each loop through the procedure as a formal trial in the resulting .edat file (i.e. as if each time through the loop had been initiated in the list object) -- and I am unsure the most effective way to do this. Ideas? Thanks much, Jeff Maxwell -- Jeffrey S. Maxwell Laboratory for Brain Imaging & Behavior Laboratory for Affective Neuroscience jsmaxwell at wisc.edu (608) 263 3672 http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~maxwell/ From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 16:35:20 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:35:20 +0100 Subject: E-prime time collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jeff, You can change the weight of a level by using the SetWeight routine before running the list. Don't forget to call the Reset routine of the list after any such modification. best Paul >From: Jeff Maxwell >Reply-To: jsmaxwell at wisc.edu >To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >Subject: Re: E-prime time collection >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0600 > >Hi All, >In most List_object columns one can dynamically assign/update values >(e.g., read in an attribute). But I'm having trouble getting this to >work with the Weight column. Is there a way to do this? > >If not, I can use a loop in the procedure with a scripted >counter/conditional set, but then I would need to log each loop >through the procedure as a formal trial in the resulting .edat file >(i.e. as if each time through the loop had been initiated in the list >object) -- and I am unsure the most effective way to do this. Ideas? > >Thanks much, >Jeff Maxwell > > >-- >Jeffrey S. Maxwell >Laboratory for Brain Imaging & Behavior >Laboratory for Affective Neuroscience >jsmaxwell at wisc.edu >(608) 263 3672 >http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~maxwell/ > From nmkoerner at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 01:57:20 2005 From: nmkoerner at yahoo.com (Naomi Koerner) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:57:20 -0800 Subject: probe detection task Message-ID: Hi E-Prime Users, I am constructing a probe detection paradigm using E-prime. Basically, I will a present a pair of words together on the screen for a few milliseconds. When the word pair disappears, a probe (a dot or other symbol) appears in the location previously occupied by one of the words and participants are required to press a button as fast as possible to indicate the location of the probe (top or bottom of screen). It is a simple attentional task, very common. I was hoping someone might have a script for a task similar to this that I could look at to see whether I've constructed mine properly. If anyone has a script for a probe detection paradigm of any kind that they could send me, I would be so appreciative. I've been working on this for some time and no one in our dept. has used E-prime for this purpose. Thanks, Best Wishes, Naomi Koerner Naomi Koerner, M.A., (Ph.D. candidate) Anxiety Disorders Laboratory Room SP-319 Department of Psychology Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H4B 1R6 Phone: 514-848-2424 x 2229 Fax: 514-848-4545 E-mail: nmkoerner at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu Wed Dec 21 18:21:16 2005 From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? Message-ID: is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? i've tried inserting this code: c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" and also tried with this code: c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... any thoughts would be appreciated. ben robinson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uni at robertdoerr.de Wed Dec 21 21:10:39 2005 From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:10:39 +0100 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben, you have to initialize a new DataFile object. Just put the following code in an inline script at the beginning of your experiment: set c.DataFile = new DataFile c.DataFile.Filename = "whatever.txt" If FileExists(c.DataFile.Filename) Then If ebYes <> MsgBox("WARNING: The data file and/or recovery file already exists:\nFILE: " & c.DataFile.Filename & "\n\nDo you want to overwrite?", ebYesNo + ebQuestion) Then GoTo ExperimentAbort End If End If c.DataFile.Open c.LogHeader You can spare the "If...End If" part if you want. Best regards Robert Ben Robinson wrote: > is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a > user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? > > i've tried inserting this code: > c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & > CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & > CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" > and also tried with this code: > c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") > > but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been > created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... > > any thoughts would be appreciated. > > ben robinson From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 09:45:12 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:45:12 +0100 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi ben, You could also use a utility called EKick (http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-plus/). This utility translates your ebs-script on the fly and has an option for specifying name and location of the data file. A small readme is supplied within the zip-file. best, paul >From: "Ben Robinson" >To: >Subject: are user defined filenames possible? >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 > >is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a user-defined >string variable, rather than the SubjectID? > >i've tried inserting this code: >c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & >CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & >CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" > >and also tried with this code: >c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") > >but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been created and >named by the time eprime gets around to running my own code... > >any thoughts would be appreciated. > >ben robinson > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Dec 22 17:24:19 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:24:19 -0800 Subject: are user defined filenames possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Paul. I went to the web site to find out more about EKick and found the DualResponse.es written by Susan Campbell of CMU. I'm working on an experiment that gives a range of responses on a scale where half the responses are either correct or incorrect, and this experiment is an elegant solution to providing the correct response in the next revision. Thanks, Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Paul Gr wrote: > hi ben, > > You could also use a utility called EKick > (http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-plus/). > This utility translates your ebs-script on the fly and has an option > for specifying name and location of the data file. A small readme is > supplied within the zip-file. > > best, > paul > > >> From: "Ben Robinson" >> To: >> Subject: are user defined filenames possible? >> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 >> >> is it possible to get eprime to name the data file using a >> user-defined string variable, rather than the SubjectID? >> >> i've tried inserting this code: >> c.DataFile.Filename = CStr(c.GetAttrib("Experiment")) & "-" & >> CStr(c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable")) & "-" & >> CStr(c.GetAttrib("Session")) & ".txt" >> >> and also tried with this code: >> c.SetAttrib "Subject", c.GetAttrib("MyOwnStringVariable") >> >> but neither seems to work, since the data file has already been >> created and named by the time eprime gets around to running my own >> code... >> >> any thoughts would be appreciated. >> >> ben robinson >> > > > > -- "Billions and billions." And it wasn't written, it appeared spontaneously with a big bang. And God said, "Let them eat archaic." And God looked on it, and said, "MMMmmmmmm... /sprinkles/!" Dennis M. Hammes