From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au Fri Jul 1 02:51:39 2005 From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:51:39 +1000 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic In-Reply-To: <93d00386.14b9a57a.9c28d00@mirapointms3.wayne.edu> Message-ID: Doug, > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. This wasn't Microsoft, the Mid function has been used in Basic for at least 25 years that I am aware of and the Basic language was around for 20 years before that, I would guess that Mid was too. In fact Basic is older the C (1970s Vs 1960s). Yes Microsoft has done many many stupid things over the years but this wasn't one of them! Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul R. Jackson Experimental Programmer School of Psychology University of Queensland E:paulj at psy.uq.edu.au P:3365-6713 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Doug Fuller > Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 8:08 AM > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: RE: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic > > >I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't > really grok > >VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to translate). > > > >So, I'm gonna recommend > >http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ . Of course, the memory > >management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be looking at > >"Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), and all the syntax > >will be different. But, hey, that's part of what learning > programming > >is about... learning that the syntax doesn't really matter. What > >matters is what you want to do, and how difficult it's going to be. > > As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand > VB. Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. > standard library functions) in everything they do? Things > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > > Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last > quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it > contributes to readability/maintenance. In the spirit of > collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear > code and document it well will save time and effort in the > future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters. > -- > Doug Fuller > dfuller at wayne.edu > Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of > Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences > From dfuller at wayne.edu Fri Jul 1 03:09:06 2005 From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:09:06 -0400 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Message-ID: >Doug, > >> like substring functions. In almost every computer >>language, >>it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the >>worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > >This wasn't Microsoft, the Mid function has been used in >Basic for at least 25 years that I am aware of and the Basic >language was around for 20 years before that, I would guess >that Mid was too. In fact Basic is older the C (1970s Vs >1960s). > >Yes Microsoft has done many many stupid things over the >years but this wasn't one of them! > >Paul Paul, Thanks for that tidbit - I could argue that maintaining a separate function base is still silly, and that VB's help system is still non-trivial to navigate meaningfully...but I digress... As I browse my bookshelf, I don't readily see a VB reference book (which explains my distaste of VB, or perhaps is the source of it) - however, I DO have a C++ book by Deitel and Deitel. I seem to recall they also published a book for introductory VB programming as well. The OP could do worse than to check it out at your local bookstore to see if it fits the need at hand. -- Doug Fuller dfuller at wayne.edu Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences From jill.oreilly at wadham.oxford.ac.uk Fri Jul 1 09:03:58 2005 From: jill.oreilly at wadham.oxford.ac.uk (Jill OReilly) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 Subject: Remove from list In-Reply-To: <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From katzlb at upmc.edu Fri Jul 1 12:36:26 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:36:26 -0400 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Message-ID: When I'm writing videoprocessing algorithms, I still need to write memory efficient code (that's about the only place you can really stress a processor and its memory these days). I'm just glad that the ceiling for how much code can be written has been raised. I've never had to write self-modifying code, and I'm glad of it (even if it is fun). Writing clear, clean, and debugable code should be what every sane programmer aims for. Whatever language you're writing in. Lena -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Doug Fuller Sent: Thu 6/30/2005 7:10 PM To: Leisha Wharfield Cc: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Indeed - it's a natural consequence of the growth explosion in hardware resources: Back in the day when you only had 64kb of memory, you had to write memory-efficient code. Back in the day when you had circuits running in the sub-megahertz range, you had to develop fast algorithms. This is why Y2K happened - programmers sacrificed century datespace for other purposes. But THESE days, processors are fast, and memory is cheap - bloat and inefficiency are running wild. I'm still trying to understand why a mail reader requires an HTML interface, for example... > I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I > think those of us who still believe in it are > quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming up, "it > just doesn't matter." > > Leisha > > Doug Fuller wrote: > > I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't > really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to > translate). > > So, I'm gonna recommend > http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ . Of course, the > memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be > looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), > and all the syntax will be different. But, hey, that's part > of what learning programming is about... learning that the > syntax doesn't really matter. What matters is what you want > to do, and how difficult it's going to be. > > > As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand > VB. Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. > standard library functions) in everything they do? Things > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > > Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last > quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it > contributes to readability/maintenance. In the spirit of > collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear > code and document it well will save time and effort in the > future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters. > -- Doug Fuller dfuller at wayne.edu Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences From hds7 at columbia.edu Fri Jul 1 13:36:46 2005 From: hds7 at columbia.edu (hds7 at columbia.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Remove from list Message-ID: Please remove me from list Harry D. Schneider ----- Forwarded message from Jill OReilly ----- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jill OReilly Reply-To: Jill OReilly Subject: Re: Remove from list To: kimira at umich.edu Yes, I have the same problem, since I no longer use eprime. Could someone please remove me too? Thanks a lot, sorry for mailing this to everyone. Jill O'Reilly In message <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s at web.mail.umich.edu> kimira at umich.edu writes: > Hi, > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for > this. Thanks. > > -Kim Ruelle > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From dhair at wfubmc.edu Fri Jul 1 13:39:58 2005 From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:39:58 -0400 Subject: Remove from list Message-ID: For those of you who wish to be removed, please see this page http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html which contains the instructions for both subscribing and unsubscribing. W. David Hairston Neurobiology and Anatomy Wake Forest University School of Medicine Winston-Salem, NC 27157 (336) 716-4481 (lab) http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/ -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of hds7 at columbia.edu Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:37 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Fwd: Re: Remove from list Please remove me from list Harry D. Schneider ----- Forwarded message from Jill OReilly ----- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jill OReilly Reply-To: Jill OReilly Subject: Re: Remove from list To: kimira at umich.edu Yes, I have the same problem, since I no longer use eprime. Could someone please remove me too? Thanks a lot, sorry for mailing this to everyone. Jill O'Reilly In message <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s at web.mail.umich.edu> kimira at umich.edu writes: > Hi, > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for > this. Thanks. > > -Kim Ruelle > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From macw at mac.com Fri Jul 1 14:10:48 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:10:48 -0400 Subject: unsubscribes Message-ID: Dear E-Prime List, If you need to unsubscribe, just send a note to kelley.sacco at cmu.edu. Instructions for the list are at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html --Brian MacWhinney, CMU From shulman.1 at osu.edu Tue Jul 5 18:49:01 2005 From: shulman.1 at osu.edu (Harvey Shulman) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 Subject: Timing a sequence of displays Message-ID: I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Mon Jul 11 15:16:54 2005 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:16:54 +0100 Subject: E-prime and USB sound cards Message-ID: Does anyone have any information on how e-prime runs with an external (via USB 2.0) sound card (Soundblaster Audigy 2)? I'm helping with a script, and randomly we get the following error:- 10051: An error occurred while attempting to open the device Error: 0x00001388 Message: 'Runtime required to have input focus to open device' Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From michael.erickson at ucr.edu Mon Jul 11 19:30:13 2005 From: michael.erickson at ucr.edu (Michael A. Erickson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:30:13 -0700 Subject: Keypress Random Generation Secondary Task Message-ID: I am interested in using keypress random generation as a secondary task. I'm thinking that the Ss would respond to the primary task with a single keypress using a letter key, and they would be emitting a sequence of random digits using the keypad at some given rate. Depending upon the rate, Ss might emit just 1 or 2 digits per primary-task trial, or they might emit 3 or 4. I would want to log the times and responses of both the primary and secondary task, as well as warning them when their secondary task performance becomes too slow. They should be working on the secondary task continuously, so number inputs should be occurring during primary task trials as well as in the primary task inter-trial intervals. Has anyone does anything like this in E-Prime and would be willing to share code, or does anyone have any advice about approaching this kind of experiment? Thanks! Michael -- Michael A. Erickson, Assistant Professor Department of Psychology / University of California / Riverside, CA 92521 michael.erickson at ucr.edu / http://www.ecogsci.org/ Tel.: 951-827-3298 / Fax.: 951-827-3985 From brian.p.meier at ndsu.edu Mon Jul 11 19:40:44 2005 From: brian.p.meier at ndsu.edu (Brian P. Meier) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hi, Could the administrator please remove my email address from this listserv? Thanks, Brian Meier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Mon Jul 11 19:44:36 2005 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:44:36 -0500 Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey listserv, The listserv is screwing up a bit. I keep getting messages from late June that I have already received. Don't know if someone can look into this, whoever the administrator is. Just wanted to put the word out, as I'm sure I'm not the only one getting these backlogged messages. Jordan At 09:54 PM 6/29/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Brandon, > >There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved: > >1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when >used in combination with the analysis option. > >2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column >names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum >allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. >This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. >Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111) > >3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create >a 'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment >is collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can >only be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is >required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also >holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived >from a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant >string value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along >with all other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be >translated at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. >Offline translation of such data is also possible by using excel and >copying and pasting columns. > >Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward >but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy >mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the >annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data. > >kind regards, >Paul Groot >Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > > > >>From: Brandon Cernicky >>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features >>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in >>relation to data handling in E-Prime. The recent >>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many >>of the design and implementation features and did not >>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge >>and E-DataAid. >> >>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like >>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and >>E-DataAid. >> >>Improvements to export in general? >>Improvements to export to Excel? >>Improvements to export to SPSS? >>Improvements to export to XML? >> >>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the >>stats wheel and understand there are many stats >>packages available and exporting to them is intended. >>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could >>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between >>packages would be reduced? >> >> >>-Brandon >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Brandon S. Cernicky >>Senior Software Engineer >>Psychology Software Tools >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com > > Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From psudevan at uwsp.edu Tue Jul 12 14:43:46 2005 From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:43:46 -0500 Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features Message-ID: I agree -- I started reading messages that seemed vaguely familiar, and discovered that these were from early June to late June, actually. Perhaps someone can correct this. Sudevan P Sudevan Professor of Psychology Chair, Faculty Sena University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Bigio Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:45 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: RE: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features Hey listserv, The listserv is screwing up a bit. I keep getting messages from late June that I have already received. Don't know if someone can look into this, whoever the administrator is. Just wanted to put the word out, as I'm sure I'm not the only one getting these backlogged messages. Jordan At 09:54 PM 6/29/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Brandon, > >There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved: > >1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when >used in combination with the analysis option. > >2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column >names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum >allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. >This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. >Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111) > >3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create >a 'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment >is collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can >only be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is >required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also >holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived >from a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant >string value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along >with all other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be >translated at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. >Offline translation of such data is also possible by using excel and >copying and pasting columns. > >Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward >but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy >mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the >annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data. > >kind regards, >Paul Groot >Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > > > >>From: Brandon Cernicky >>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features >>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in >>relation to data handling in E-Prime. The recent >>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many >>of the design and implementation features and did not >>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge >>and E-DataAid. >> >>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like >>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and >>E-DataAid. >> >>Improvements to export in general? >>Improvements to export to Excel? >>Improvements to export to SPSS? >>Improvements to export to XML? >> >>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the >>stats wheel and understand there are many stats >>packages available and exporting to them is intended. >>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could >>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between >>packages would be reduced? >> >> >>-Brandon >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Brandon S. Cernicky >>Senior Software Engineer >>Psychology Software Tools >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com > > Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From skinzb at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 13:53:38 2005 From: skinzb at yahoo.com (Sarah Kinzbrunner) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:53:38 -0700 Subject: Feedback Display In-Reply-To: <66801.66656@mail.talkbank.org> Message-ID: Is it possible to display the correct answer in picture or text form during the feedback display? For example, in a weather prediction task, if the correct answer is "sunny", a picture of a sun or the word "sunny" is displayed during feedback, whether the subject responded correctly or incorrectly. Thank you, Sarah eprime at mail.talkbank.org wrote: Eprime Digest - Sunday, July 10, 2005 Timing a sequence of displays by "Harvey Shulman" Subject: Timing a sequence of displays From: Harvey Shulman Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 End of Eprime Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Wed Jul 13 15:47:36 2005 From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:47:36 -0400 Subject: Feedback Display Message-ID: Sarah, Yes, you can do this pretty easily. All you have to do is add more sub-objects to the different tabs of the Feedback object. The Feedback object is essentially the same things as a Slide object, but with some additionally script logic behind the scenes to determine if the user's response was correct or incorrect and then to display only the appropriate matching tab within the Feedback. Open up the Feedback object you are using; click on the tab you want (e.g. "Correct"); click on the SlideImage button on its toolbar to add a new image; double-click the newly create SlideImage object to set its properties as you need (e.g. you can specify an attribute as the filename to vary the image that is displayed to related it to your stimuli if desired. Hope that helps. -Tony Anthony P. Zuccolotto President and Chief Executive Officer Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com ________________________________ From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Kinzbrunner Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:54 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Feedback Display Is it possible to display the correct answer in picture or text form during the feedback display? For example, in a weather prediction task, if the correct answer is "sunny", a picture of a sun or the word "sunny" is displayed during feedback, whether the subject responded correctly or incorrectly. Thank you, Sarah eprime at mail.talkbank.org wrote: Eprime Digest - Sunday, July 10, 2005 Timing a sequence of displays by "Harvey Shulman" Subject: Timing a sequence of displays From: Harvey Shulman Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 End of Eprime Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at mac.com Wed Jul 13 16:29:25 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:29:25 -0400 Subject: old messages Message-ID: Dear E-Prime List, My apologies regarding the reposting of about 6 old messages over the last two days. The machine running the mail server had some corruption in its file system. We corrected the file structure, but the correction may have actually triggered the repostings. Unfortunately, I was abroad while this was happening and just returned to Pittsburgh this morning. I will monitor this closely today and shut the server down if new repostings appear. Apologies for the distraction. --Brian MacWhinney, CMU From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Jul 14 23:03:15 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:03:15 -0700 Subject: Iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au> Message-ID: Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org From nmkoerner at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 23:32:17 2005 From: nmkoerner at yahoo.com (Naomi Koerner) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:17 -0700 Subject: probe detection task Message-ID: Hi, I am using E-Prime to design a probe detection task for a study on attentional bias. I've never actually seen the task--I've only read descriptions of it in published papers. I want to make sure that I am setting it up correctly and I was wondering whether anyone has a script for a probe detection paradigm (any kind--dot probe, probe classification, with words or pictures). Thanks very much--I'd appreciate any input on this, Best Wishes, Naomi Koerner Naomi Koerner, M.A., (Ph.D. candidate) Anxiety Disorders Laboratory Room SP-319 Department of Psychology Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H4B 1R6 Phone: 514-848-2424 x 2229 Fax: 514-848-4545 E-mail: nmkoerner at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From leisha at decisionresearch.org Fri Jul 15 17:52:37 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:52:37 -0700 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au> Message-ID: Yes, thank you. She and her team are very interested in it, and so are three others in the list. Sincerely, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: I have one, I think...will have to dig it out of the archives. Is he still interested? ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [ mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:03 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Iowa gambling task Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JPatte at lsuhsc.edu Fri Jul 15 18:40:22 2005 From: JPatte at lsuhsc.edu (Patterson, James) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:40:22 -0500 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task Message-ID: Well, I'll look for it Monday, going out of town. I can't find it here, hopefully it is at home. I found an ancient version written in Psyscope, but I know that I have one written in Eprime. Somewhere... ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:53 PM Cc: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Re: Iowa Gambling Task Yes, thank you. She and her team are very interested in it, and so are three others in the list. Sincerely, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: I have one, I think...will have to dig it out of the archives. Is he still interested? ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [ mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org ] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:03 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Iowa gambling task Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.crowley at yale.edu Wed Jul 20 15:30:34 2005 From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:30:34 -0400 Subject: no default property for the object and EGI Message-ID: Dear List, I'm using eprime in conjunction with EGI netstation and getting the following error message: "no default property for the object" The task displays two presents red and blue. One will be rewarded, one will be punished. If the subject selects the correct one, they are rewarded, and if they select the other, they are punished. The side of the screen the presents are on is dictated by the trial list. The trial list is selected from until the subject has selected the correct present 7 times consecutively and then the trial list is terminated. On subsequent blocks of lists, the winning/losing present will reverse. We're interested in deriving ERPs to the feedback. Type of feedback (reward or punishment) is determined in the trial, depending on the subject's response. thanks for any help you can provide. Mike Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D. Yale Child Study Center 230 South Frontage Rd. New Haven, CT 06520 Please be aware that email communication can be intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please consider communicating any sensitive information by telephone, fax or mail. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy this message. From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Jul 20 18:44:01 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:44:01 -0700 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You rock, Dr. Patterson. I just now got another request for the file you've provided. Gratefully yours, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: > > And it naturally was in the last place I could have looked... > > Please rename the archive to "Four_Tokens.zip". Just add the dot. This > is to get it thru email filters. It may still not make it onto the > listserve, so I am sending to Leisha as well. > > This is called four tokens. Instead of card decks, I used four > symbols. These are in black and white. There are no sound or color > ques. The feeling from certain persons in the research group I was in > (to be as circumspect as possible) is that this would detract from the > real reward-based decision making. I disagree, I think that reward is > based more on monetary value decisions...I strongly recommend the use > of colors, shapes, sounds, etc, to serve as cues. > > Please feel free to use this in any way you like, it is freely given, > with no strings attached. > > It will need editing to work in the most recent version of E-prime. > > God bless, > > JP > > ====================================== > James C Patterson II, MD, PhD > Director of PET Neuroimaging Research > PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation > Associate Professor of Psychiatry > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center > Shreveport, Louisiana > 318-675-6040 - phone > 318-675-6148 - fax > ====================================== > Veritas. > ====================================== > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Jul 20 19:19:53 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:19:53 -0700 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task Message-ID: I think I have emailed everyone about the Iowa Gambling Task who had previously requested it from me. If I missed you, I'm sorry. If it's unavailable via the list, just email me & I'll send it on. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Thu Jul 21 11:39:38 2005 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:39:38 +0100 Subject: Weird script behaviour Message-ID: An experiment is being designed here, which has an accuracy test, if the subject has less than 90% accuracy, the practice is rerun, using the following inline object script - which you may recognise as being a slightly modified version of the the script from the User Guide (which didn't work either). If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset EndPrac.Run Goto Label1 End If Immediately after this scriptlet there is a text object (called EndPrac) which displays the result, this is set up for infinite duration, Space is the allowable response. Now, if the subject passes, everything is fine, and the actual trials commence, but if the subject gets below 90%, pressing the space bar does absolutely nothing. If the duration is not set to infinite, it times out and goes to label1 quite happily (but if you give a duration suitably long to press the space bar, again it is not recognised) and re-runs the trials. Anyone have any bright ideas why processing the fail in the script should in some way stop the following text object recognising the space bar? All the best Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From amy.eschman at pstnet.com Thu Jul 21 11:58:13 2005 From: amy.eschman at pstnet.com (Amy Eschman) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:58:13 -0400 Subject: Weird script behaviour Message-ID: Eddie, The problem you are having is that when you Run an object from script as opposed to on a Procedure, you must manually set the input properties. The reason your script is working when your subject passes is because you have placed the object on the Procedure following the InLine. You need to add a line of script to your InLine that sets the input properties for the EndPrac object prior to the EndPrac.Run command. The easiest way to do this is to set the input properties as you want them in the object, place it on the Procedure (which you have already done), then compile the script. In the full script (Script option from the View menu), search for "EndPrac.Input" (use Ctrl+F to open a search window). Copy the entire line related to the InputMask setup for the object and paste it into your InLine prior to the EndPrac.Run command. For example, if I were doing this using the BasicRT example, I would find the following line relevant to the Stimulus object, which is collecting input in that experiment: Stimulus.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("12", c.GetAttrib("CorrectAnswer"), CLng(Stimulus.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, CLogical("Yes"), "", "", "ResponseMode:All ProcessBackspace:Yes") As an alternative to call the Run method from script, you could use two different InLine objects before and after the EndPrac object. The InLine before would be used to set the text, and the InLine after would be used to jump back... InLine Before..... If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset End If InLine After.... If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean < .90 Then Goto Label1 End If This really doesn't save you much, but is simply a different option. Hope this helps. Amy Eschman Psychology Software Tools -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:40 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Weird script behaviour An experiment is being designed here, which has an accuracy test, if the subject has less than 90% accuracy, the practice is rerun, using the following inline object script - which you may recognise as being a slightly modified version of the the script from the User Guide (which didn't work either). If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset EndPrac.Run Goto Label1 End If Immediately after this scriptlet there is a text object (called EndPrac) which displays the result, this is set up for infinite duration, Space is the allowable response. Now, if the subject passes, everything is fine, and the actual trials commence, but if the subject gets below 90%, pressing the space bar does absolutely nothing. If the duration is not set to infinite, it times out and goes to label1 quite happily (but if you give a duration suitably long to press the space bar, again it is not recognised) and re-runs the trials. Anyone have any bright ideas why processing the fail in the script should in some way stop the following text object recognising the space bar? All the best Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From kratner at wjh.harvard.edu Thu Jul 21 22:32:14 2005 From: kratner at wjh.harvard.edu (Kyle Ratner) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:32:14 -0400 Subject: Post-Doc Opening in Affective Neuroscience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, The Affective Neuroscience Laboratory in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University (http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~daplab) currently has a job opening for a 2-year, full-time post-doctoral position (see description below). We would appreciate your assistance in forwarding this announcement to any potential candidates. Best Regards, Kyle Ratner *************************************** Kyle G. Ratner Affective Neuroscience Lab Lab Manager / Research Assistant Department of Psychology Harvard University Phone: +1-617-384-9841 Fax: +1-617-495-3728 E-mail: kratner at wjh.harvard.edu **************************************** ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************* Post-Doctoral Position in Affective Neuroscience A two year post-doctoral position is available in the Affective Neuroscience Laboratory, directed by Diego Pizzagalli. The laboratory is part of Harvard University's Department of Psychology and utilizes various techniques, including functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), 128-channel electroencephalography (EEG), molecular genetics, and various psychological and pharmacological manipulations to study the relationship between reward processing and stress, the interface of affect and cognition, and emotional regulation in both psychiatric and non-psychiatric populations. The successful candidate will primarily work on a study examining the influence of early adverse events on the neural substrates underlying emotional dysfunction in depression. Additional opportunities will be available to pursue independent research and interdisciplinary collaborations across the Harvard community. Experience with electrophysiological and/or fMRI techniques as well as clinical training is preferred, but candidates with a strong background in only one of these domains will also be seriously considered. Further information about our work and facilities can be found at: http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~daplab/. To apply, please send a CV, three letters of reference, and a letter describing your research interests to Kyle Ratner (kratner at wjh.harvard.edu). Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. Harvard University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Women and members of minority groups are especially encouraged to apply ******************************************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkwillia at bu.edu Mon Jul 25 18:54:36 2005 From: rkwillia at bu.edu (Rebecca Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:54:36 -0400 Subject: Installation errors with Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone had any problems installing E-Prime with Windows XP? I just tried to today on a new computer and we are getting this error: Failed to write keys or values to the database registry. Failed to open the registry. 0 65537 If you then click ok, the installation would continue, but it would then fail to recognize the hardware key. We've never had this problem before. From joshea at wjh.harvard.edu Mon Jul 25 19:00:02 2005 From: joshea at wjh.harvard.edu (James O'Shea) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:00:02 -0400 Subject: Installation errors with Windows XP In-Reply-To: <005901c5914a$4eb8d2b0$ab01000a@HGARC.ORG> Message-ID: I had this problem too. Downloading and running the HaspUserSetup.exe program resolved this issue for me. You can get it off of the pstnet.com eprime support site (http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/login.asp) under Download/Misc. See the following knowlegebase entry for more info: http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/support.asp?RequestID=8109 -jamie On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:54:36 -0400 > From: Rebecca Williams > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: Installation errors with Windows XP > > Has anyone had any problems installing E-Prime with Windows XP? > I just tried to today on a new computer and we are getting this error: > Failed to write keys or values to the database registry. Failed to open the > registry. > 0 > 65537 > > If you then click ok, the installation would continue, but it would then > fail to recognize the hardware key. > > We've never had this problem before. > > > From kwillhoit at uwf.edu Mon Jul 25 21:45:19 2005 From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: custom response box Message-ID: Hello, all! I wrote once before but I think I put too much info and maybe no one wanted to read it all. :-) I'm using a custom-built 13-button response box that communicates via a serial cable. Each button transmits an ASCII character: the letters a through n for button presses, and the letters m through z for button releases. Does anyone know how I can get this box to act the same as a SRBox? I need to use it as the object to collect reaction and movement times as well as accuracy, and I would like the RT, MT, accuracy, and responses to be written to the DataAid file. I understand that it "just takes a bit of script", but I have exceeded my knowledge of the VBA language at this point. Is there anyone willing to help me with the script? Also, I have read in the archives that it is easiest to do this type of communication using parallel communication. My supervisor has suggested that we simply buy a serial-to-parallel adapter cable and use that to connect the box to the computer instead. Does anyone know if this would be a good solution? I would appreciate ANY feedback, thank you! Kristie Willhoit Research Associate University of West Florida Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science 11000 University Parkway Building 78, Room 140 Pensacola, FL 32514 (850) 474-3321 kwillhoit at uwf.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:22:40 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:22:40 +0200 Subject: custom response box In-Reply-To: <000101c59162$26d409a0$0559588f@mtrskls1> Message-ID: hi kristie, The protocol used by your custom box differs from the protocol used by the SRBox, so it is not possible to use the SRBox as is. A straightforward serial to parallel converter wouldn't help either because EPrime assumes there will be one button connected to each digit of the 8-bit values. (This is true for both the serial and the parallel protocols.) So, the characters sent by you box do not comply with the protocol supported by EPrime. For example: the first button will send an 'a', which corresponds to a numeric value of 97 (or binary 01100001). EPrime will interpret the changes of the three active bits as 3 simultaneous button events on buttons 1, 6 and 7. Another problem with the serial to parallel conversion is that you will require 13 independent digital lines if you're planning to use all the buttons, whereas regular serial to parallel converter only provide 8. I think there are several options: 1) translate the serial codes into 13 separate digital lines and extend the number of digital inputs available on the PC to handle all these lines. 2) make the firmware (embedded software) of the button box compatible with the SRBox protocol. 3) build a serial to serial translator device which is compatible with the SRBox protocol on one side and compatible with your button box on the other side. 4) insert some inline script to handle the serial input in EPrime yourself. The first 3 options require detailed knowledge of digital electronics. Option 4 is a 'software only' solution I've seen before on a system that used a serial (optical) button box in an fMRI environment. The downside of this construction is that it doesn't work exactly the same way as regular EPrime input objects and that you will have to insert pieces of inline script after each EPrime object that should handle button box events. I also know that some button box suppliers offer keyboard emulation drivers that generate keyboard events when a button is pressed. Such a driver would solve the problem. (Although you should measure RT accuracy to make sure the driver doesn't introduce unacceptable timing issues.) best, Paul Groot Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. >From: "Kristie Willhoit" >To: >Subject: custom response box >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:45:19 -0500 > >Hello, all! I wrote once before but I think I put too much info and maybe >no one wanted to read it all. :-) I'm using a custom-built 13-button >response box that communicates via a serial cable. Each button transmits >an >ASCII character: the letters a through n for button presses, and the >letters >m through z for button releases. Does anyone know how I can get this box >to >act the same as a SRBox? I need to use it as the object to collect >reaction >and movement times as well as accuracy, and I would like the RT, MT, >accuracy, and responses to be written to the DataAid file. I understand >that it "just takes a bit of script", but I have exceeded my knowledge of >the VBA language at this point. Is there anyone willing to help me with >the >script? > > > >Also, I have read in the archives that it is easiest to do this type of >communication using parallel communication. My supervisor has suggested >that we simply buy a serial-to-parallel adapter cable and use that to >connect the box to the computer instead. Does anyone know if this would be >a good solution? > > > >I would appreciate ANY feedback, thank you! > > > > > >Kristie Willhoit > >Research Associate > >University of West Florida > >Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science > >11000 University Parkway > >Building 78, Room 140 > >Pensacola, FL 32514 > >(850) 474-3321 > >kwillhoit at uwf.edu > > > > > From michael.crowley at yale.edu Thu Jul 28 12:16:34 2005 From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:34 -0400 Subject: rating faces - random word placement Message-ID: Dear List, we are designing a task for eprime in which faces are rated for the emotion they display. There are four words below each item (face), three are foils. We would like the four words to have a random order below the picture. Any suggestions on how to accomplish this would be much appreciated. thank you. Mike Crowley Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D. Yale Child Study Center 230 South Frontage Rd. New Haven, CT 06520 Please be aware that email communication can be intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please consider communicating any sensitive information by telephone, fax or mail. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy this message. From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au Fri Jul 1 02:51:39 2005 From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:51:39 +1000 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic In-Reply-To: <93d00386.14b9a57a.9c28d00@mirapointms3.wayne.edu> Message-ID: Doug, > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. This wasn't Microsoft, the Mid function has been used in Basic for at least 25 years that I am aware of and the Basic language was around for 20 years before that, I would guess that Mid was too. In fact Basic is older the C (1970s Vs 1960s). Yes Microsoft has done many many stupid things over the years but this wasn't one of them! Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul R. Jackson Experimental Programmer School of Psychology University of Queensland E:paulj at psy.uq.edu.au P:3365-6713 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Doug Fuller > Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 8:08 AM > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: RE: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic > > >I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't > really grok > >VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to translate). > > > >So, I'm gonna recommend > >http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ . Of course, the memory > >management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be looking at > >"Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), and all the syntax > >will be different. But, hey, that's part of what learning > programming > >is about... learning that the syntax doesn't really matter. What > >matters is what you want to do, and how difficult it's going to be. > > As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand > VB. Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. > standard library functions) in everything they do? Things > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > > Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last > quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it > contributes to readability/maintenance. In the spirit of > collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear > code and document it well will save time and effort in the > future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters. > -- > Doug Fuller > dfuller at wayne.edu > Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of > Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences > From dfuller at wayne.edu Fri Jul 1 03:09:06 2005 From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:09:06 -0400 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Message-ID: >Doug, > >> like substring functions. In almost every computer >>language, >>it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the >>worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > >This wasn't Microsoft, the Mid function has been used in >Basic for at least 25 years that I am aware of and the Basic >language was around for 20 years before that, I would guess >that Mid was too. In fact Basic is older the C (1970s Vs >1960s). > >Yes Microsoft has done many many stupid things over the >years but this wasn't one of them! > >Paul Paul, Thanks for that tidbit - I could argue that maintaining a separate function base is still silly, and that VB's help system is still non-trivial to navigate meaningfully...but I digress... As I browse my bookshelf, I don't readily see a VB reference book (which explains my distaste of VB, or perhaps is the source of it) - however, I DO have a C++ book by Deitel and Deitel. I seem to recall they also published a book for introductory VB programming as well. The OP could do worse than to check it out at your local bookstore to see if it fits the need at hand. -- Doug Fuller dfuller at wayne.edu Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences From jill.oreilly at wadham.oxford.ac.uk Fri Jul 1 09:03:58 2005 From: jill.oreilly at wadham.oxford.ac.uk (Jill OReilly) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 Subject: Remove from list In-Reply-To: <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From katzlb at upmc.edu Fri Jul 1 12:36:26 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:36:26 -0400 Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Message-ID: When I'm writing videoprocessing algorithms, I still need to write memory efficient code (that's about the only place you can really stress a processor and its memory these days). I'm just glad that the ceiling for how much code can be written has been raised. I've never had to write self-modifying code, and I'm glad of it (even if it is fun). Writing clear, clean, and debugable code should be what every sane programmer aims for. Whatever language you're writing in. Lena -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Doug Fuller Sent: Thu 6/30/2005 7:10 PM To: Leisha Wharfield Cc: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic Indeed - it's a natural consequence of the growth explosion in hardware resources: Back in the day when you only had 64kb of memory, you had to write memory-efficient code. Back in the day when you had circuits running in the sub-megahertz range, you had to develop fast algorithms. This is why Y2K happened - programmers sacrificed century datespace for other purposes. But THESE days, processors are fast, and memory is cheap - bloat and inefficiency are running wild. I'm still trying to understand why a mail reader requires an HTML interface, for example... > I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I > think those of us who still believe in it are > quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming up, "it > just doesn't matter." > > Leisha > > Doug Fuller wrote: > > I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't > really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to > translate). > > So, I'm gonna recommend > http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ . Of course, the > memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be > looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), > and all the syntax will be different. But, hey, that's part > of what learning programming is about... learning that the > syntax doesn't really matter. What matters is what you want > to do, and how difficult it's going to be. > > > As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand > VB. Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. > standard library functions) in everything they do? Things > like substring functions. In almost every computer language, > it's called substr(). I spent an hour digging through the > worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB. > > Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last > quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it > contributes to readability/maintenance. In the spirit of > collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear > code and document it well will save time and effort in the > future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters. > -- Doug Fuller dfuller at wayne.edu Research Assistant, Wayne State University Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences From hds7 at columbia.edu Fri Jul 1 13:36:46 2005 From: hds7 at columbia.edu (hds7 at columbia.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Remove from list Message-ID: Please remove me from list Harry D. Schneider ----- Forwarded message from Jill OReilly ----- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jill OReilly Reply-To: Jill OReilly Subject: Re: Remove from list To: kimira at umich.edu Yes, I have the same problem, since I no longer use eprime. Could someone please remove me too? Thanks a lot, sorry for mailing this to everyone. Jill O'Reilly In message <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s at web.mail.umich.edu> kimira at umich.edu writes: > Hi, > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for > this. Thanks. > > -Kim Ruelle > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From dhair at wfubmc.edu Fri Jul 1 13:39:58 2005 From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:39:58 -0400 Subject: Remove from list Message-ID: For those of you who wish to be removed, please see this page http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html which contains the instructions for both subscribing and unsubscribing. W. David Hairston Neurobiology and Anatomy Wake Forest University School of Medicine Winston-Salem, NC 27157 (336) 716-4481 (lab) http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/ -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of hds7 at columbia.edu Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:37 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Fwd: Re: Remove from list Please remove me from list Harry D. Schneider ----- Forwarded message from Jill OReilly ----- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jill OReilly Reply-To: Jill OReilly Subject: Re: Remove from list To: kimira at umich.edu Yes, I have the same problem, since I no longer use eprime. Could someone please remove me too? Thanks a lot, sorry for mailing this to everyone. Jill O'Reilly In message <20050630111746.cru6cxp6sgokoo4s at web.mail.umich.edu> kimira at umich.edu writes: > Hi, > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for > this. Thanks. > > -Kim Ruelle > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From macw at mac.com Fri Jul 1 14:10:48 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:10:48 -0400 Subject: unsubscribes Message-ID: Dear E-Prime List, If you need to unsubscribe, just send a note to kelley.sacco at cmu.edu. Instructions for the list are at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/eprime.html --Brian MacWhinney, CMU From shulman.1 at osu.edu Tue Jul 5 18:49:01 2005 From: shulman.1 at osu.edu (Harvey Shulman) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 Subject: Timing a sequence of displays Message-ID: I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Mon Jul 11 15:16:54 2005 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:16:54 +0100 Subject: E-prime and USB sound cards Message-ID: Does anyone have any information on how e-prime runs with an external (via USB 2.0) sound card (Soundblaster Audigy 2)? I'm helping with a script, and randomly we get the following error:- 10051: An error occurred while attempting to open the device Error: 0x00001388 Message: 'Runtime required to have input focus to open device' Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From michael.erickson at ucr.edu Mon Jul 11 19:30:13 2005 From: michael.erickson at ucr.edu (Michael A. Erickson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:30:13 -0700 Subject: Keypress Random Generation Secondary Task Message-ID: I am interested in using keypress random generation as a secondary task. I'm thinking that the Ss would respond to the primary task with a single keypress using a letter key, and they would be emitting a sequence of random digits using the keypad at some given rate. Depending upon the rate, Ss might emit just 1 or 2 digits per primary-task trial, or they might emit 3 or 4. I would want to log the times and responses of both the primary and secondary task, as well as warning them when their secondary task performance becomes too slow. They should be working on the secondary task continuously, so number inputs should be occurring during primary task trials as well as in the primary task inter-trial intervals. Has anyone does anything like this in E-Prime and would be willing to share code, or does anyone have any advice about approaching this kind of experiment? Thanks! Michael -- Michael A. Erickson, Assistant Professor Department of Psychology / University of California / Riverside, CA 92521 michael.erickson at ucr.edu / http://www.ecogsci.org/ Tel.: 951-827-3298 / Fax.: 951-827-3985 From brian.p.meier at ndsu.edu Mon Jul 11 19:40:44 2005 From: brian.p.meier at ndsu.edu (Brian P. Meier) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hi, Could the administrator please remove my email address from this listserv? Thanks, Brian Meier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j-bigio at northwestern.edu Mon Jul 11 19:44:36 2005 From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:44:36 -0500 Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey listserv, The listserv is screwing up a bit. I keep getting messages from late June that I have already received. Don't know if someone can look into this, whoever the administrator is. Just wanted to put the word out, as I'm sure I'm not the only one getting these backlogged messages. Jordan At 09:54 PM 6/29/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Brandon, > >There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved: > >1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when >used in combination with the analysis option. > >2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column >names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum >allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. >This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. >Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111) > >3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create >a 'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment >is collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can >only be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is >required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also >holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived >from a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant >string value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along >with all other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be >translated at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. >Offline translation of such data is also possible by using excel and >copying and pasting columns. > >Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward >but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy >mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the >annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data. > >kind regards, >Paul Groot >Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > > > >>From: Brandon Cernicky >>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features >>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in >>relation to data handling in E-Prime. The recent >>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many >>of the design and implementation features and did not >>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge >>and E-DataAid. >> >>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like >>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and >>E-DataAid. >> >>Improvements to export in general? >>Improvements to export to Excel? >>Improvements to export to SPSS? >>Improvements to export to XML? >> >>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the >>stats wheel and understand there are many stats >>packages available and exporting to them is intended. >>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could >>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between >>packages would be reduced? >> >> >>-Brandon >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Brandon S. Cernicky >>Senior Software Engineer >>Psychology Software Tools >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com > > Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From psudevan at uwsp.edu Tue Jul 12 14:43:46 2005 From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:43:46 -0500 Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features Message-ID: I agree -- I started reading messages that seemed vaguely familiar, and discovered that these were from early June to late June, actually. Perhaps someone can correct this. Sudevan P Sudevan Professor of Psychology Chair, Faculty Sena University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Bigio Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:45 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: RE: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features Hey listserv, The listserv is screwing up a bit. I keep getting messages from late June that I have already received. Don't know if someone can look into this, whoever the administrator is. Just wanted to put the word out, as I'm sure I'm not the only one getting these backlogged messages. Jordan At 09:54 PM 6/29/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Brandon, > >There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved: > >1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when >used in combination with the analysis option. > >2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column >names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum >allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. >This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. >Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111) > >3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create >a 'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment >is collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can >only be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is >required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also >holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived >from a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant >string value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along >with all other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be >translated at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. >Offline translation of such data is also possible by using excel and >copying and pasting columns. > >Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward >but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy >mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the >annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data. > >kind regards, >Paul Groot >Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > > > >>From: Brandon Cernicky >>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org >>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features >>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in >>relation to data handling in E-Prime. The recent >>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many >>of the design and implementation features and did not >>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge >>and E-DataAid. >> >>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like >>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and >>E-DataAid. >> >>Improvements to export in general? >>Improvements to export to Excel? >>Improvements to export to SPSS? >>Improvements to export to XML? >> >>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the >>stats wheel and understand there are many stats >>packages available and exporting to them is intended. >>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could >>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between >>packages would be reduced? >> >> >>-Brandon >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Brandon S. Cernicky >>Senior Software Engineer >>Psychology Software Tools >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com > > Jordan D. Bigio, B.A. Project Coordinator Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Northwestern University 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208 Phone: 847-491-3647 From skinzb at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 13:53:38 2005 From: skinzb at yahoo.com (Sarah Kinzbrunner) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:53:38 -0700 Subject: Feedback Display In-Reply-To: <66801.66656@mail.talkbank.org> Message-ID: Is it possible to display the correct answer in picture or text form during the feedback display? For example, in a weather prediction task, if the correct answer is "sunny", a picture of a sun or the word "sunny" is displayed during feedback, whether the subject responded correctly or incorrectly. Thank you, Sarah eprime at mail.talkbank.org wrote: Eprime Digest - Sunday, July 10, 2005 Timing a sequence of displays by "Harvey Shulman" Subject: Timing a sequence of displays From: Harvey Shulman Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 End of Eprime Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Open up the Feedback object you are using; click on the tab you want (e.g. "Correct"); click on the SlideImage button on its toolbar to add a new image; double-click the newly create SlideImage object to set its properties as you need (e.g. you can specify an attribute as the filename to vary the image that is displayed to related it to your stimuli if desired. Hope that helps. -Tony Anthony P. Zuccolotto President and Chief Executive Officer Psychology Software Tools, Inc. 2050 Ardmore Boulevard Suite 200 Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610 Phone 412-271-5040 FAX 412-271-7077 Email anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com Internet http://www.pstnet.com ________________________________ From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Kinzbrunner Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:54 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Feedback Display Is it possible to display the correct answer in picture or text form during the feedback display? For example, in a weather prediction task, if the correct answer is "sunny", a picture of a sun or the word "sunny" is displayed during feedback, whether the subject responded correctly or incorrectly. Thank you, Sarah eprime at mail.talkbank.org wrote: Eprime Digest - Sunday, July 10, 2005 Timing a sequence of displays by "Harvey Shulman" Subject: Timing a sequence of displays From: Harvey Shulman Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:49:01 -0400 I want to measure the total time needed to present a series of 8 stumuli each of which is presented by the same display object and terminated by pressing the spacebar. The RTs are collected for each item and I could nearly get what I'm after by adding the 8 RTs but that leaves out the accumulated response-stimulus times. It seems to me I will need some inline code to get this total time but maybe I have missed some feature of Eprime I can use instead ? Thanks ------- Harvey G. Shulman, PhD Department of Psychology The Ohio State University 201 Lazenby Hall Columbus, OH 43210 ph 614 292-2759 fax 614 688-3984 End of Eprime Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at mac.com Wed Jul 13 16:29:25 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:29:25 -0400 Subject: old messages Message-ID: Dear E-Prime List, My apologies regarding the reposting of about 6 old messages over the last two days. The machine running the mail server had some corruption in its file system. We corrected the file structure, but the correction may have actually triggered the repostings. Unfortunately, I was abroad while this was happening and just returned to Pittsburgh this morning. I will monitor this closely today and shut the server down if new repostings appear. Apologies for the distraction. --Brian MacWhinney, CMU From leisha at decisionresearch.org Thu Jul 14 23:03:15 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:03:15 -0700 Subject: Iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au> Message-ID: Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org From nmkoerner at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 23:32:17 2005 From: nmkoerner at yahoo.com (Naomi Koerner) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:17 -0700 Subject: probe detection task Message-ID: Hi, I am using E-Prime to design a probe detection task for a study on attentional bias. I've never actually seen the task--I've only read descriptions of it in published papers. I want to make sure that I am setting it up correctly and I was wondering whether anyone has a script for a probe detection paradigm (any kind--dot probe, probe classification, with words or pictures). Thanks very much--I'd appreciate any input on this, Best Wishes, Naomi Koerner Naomi Koerner, M.A., (Ph.D. candidate) Anxiety Disorders Laboratory Room SP-319 Department of Psychology Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H4B 1R6 Phone: 514-848-2424 x 2229 Fax: 514-848-4545 E-mail: nmkoerner at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From leisha at decisionresearch.org Fri Jul 15 17:52:37 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:52:37 -0700 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au> Message-ID: Yes, thank you. She and her team are very interested in it, and so are three others in the list. Sincerely, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: I have one, I think...will have to dig it out of the archives. Is he still interested? ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [ mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:03 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Iowa gambling task Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JPatte at lsuhsc.edu Fri Jul 15 18:40:22 2005 From: JPatte at lsuhsc.edu (Patterson, James) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:40:22 -0500 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task Message-ID: Well, I'll look for it Monday, going out of town. I can't find it here, hopefully it is at home. I found an ancient version written in Psyscope, but I know that I have one written in Eprime. Somewhere... ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:53 PM Cc: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Re: Iowa Gambling Task Yes, thank you. She and her team are very interested in it, and so are three others in the list. Sincerely, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: I have one, I think...will have to dig it out of the archives. Is he still interested? ====================================== James C Patterson II, MD, PhD Director of PET Neuroimaging Research PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation Associate Professor of Psychiatry Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana 318-675-6040 - phone 318-675-6148 - fax ====================================== Veritas. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [ mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org ] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:03 PM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Iowa gambling task Does anyone know whether there is an eprime version of the Iowa Gambling task? A colleague is searching for it & would be delighted not to have to write it from scratch. Thank you. Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.crowley at yale.edu Wed Jul 20 15:30:34 2005 From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:30:34 -0400 Subject: no default property for the object and EGI Message-ID: Dear List, I'm using eprime in conjunction with EGI netstation and getting the following error message: "no default property for the object" The task displays two presents red and blue. One will be rewarded, one will be punished. If the subject selects the correct one, they are rewarded, and if they select the other, they are punished. The side of the screen the presents are on is dictated by the trial list. The trial list is selected from until the subject has selected the correct present 7 times consecutively and then the trial list is terminated. On subsequent blocks of lists, the winning/losing present will reverse. We're interested in deriving ERPs to the feedback. Type of feedback (reward or punishment) is determined in the trial, depending on the subject's response. thanks for any help you can provide. Mike Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D. Yale Child Study Center 230 South Frontage Rd. New Haven, CT 06520 Please be aware that email communication can be intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please consider communicating any sensitive information by telephone, fax or mail. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy this message. From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Jul 20 18:44:01 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:44:01 -0700 Subject: Iowa Gambling Task Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You rock, Dr. Patterson. I just now got another request for the file you've provided. Gratefully yours, Leisha Patterson, James wrote: > > And it naturally was in the last place I could have looked... > > Please rename the archive to "Four_Tokens.zip". Just add the dot. This > is to get it thru email filters. It may still not make it onto the > listserve, so I am sending to Leisha as well. > > This is called four tokens. Instead of card decks, I used four > symbols. These are in black and white. There are no sound or color > ques. The feeling from certain persons in the research group I was in > (to be as circumspect as possible) is that this would detract from the > real reward-based decision making. I disagree, I think that reward is > based more on monetary value decisions...I strongly recommend the use > of colors, shapes, sounds, etc, to serve as cues. > > Please feel free to use this in any way you like, it is freely given, > with no strings attached. > > It will need editing to work in the most recent version of E-prime. > > God bless, > > JP > > ====================================== > James C Patterson II, MD, PhD > Director of PET Neuroimaging Research > PET Imaging Center, Biomedical Research Foundation > Associate Professor of Psychiatry > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center > Shreveport, Louisiana > 318-675-6040 - phone > 318-675-6148 - fax > ====================================== > Veritas. > ====================================== > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leisha Wharfield Production Coordinator Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA leisha at decisionresearch.org www.decisionresearch.org From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk Thu Jul 21 11:39:38 2005 From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:39:38 +0100 Subject: Weird script behaviour Message-ID: An experiment is being designed here, which has an accuracy test, if the subject has less than 90% accuracy, the practice is rerun, using the following inline object script - which you may recognise as being a slightly modified version of the the script from the User Guide (which didn't work either). If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset EndPrac.Run Goto Label1 End If Immediately after this scriptlet there is a text object (called EndPrac) which displays the result, this is set up for infinite duration, Space is the allowable response. Now, if the subject passes, everything is fine, and the actual trials commence, but if the subject gets below 90%, pressing the space bar does absolutely nothing. If the duration is not set to infinite, it times out and goes to label1 quite happily (but if you give a duration suitably long to press the space bar, again it is not recognised) and re-runs the trials. Anyone have any bright ideas why processing the fail in the script should in some way stop the following text object recognising the space bar? All the best Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From amy.eschman at pstnet.com Thu Jul 21 11:58:13 2005 From: amy.eschman at pstnet.com (Amy Eschman) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:58:13 -0400 Subject: Weird script behaviour Message-ID: Eddie, The problem you are having is that when you Run an object from script as opposed to on a Procedure, you must manually set the input properties. The reason your script is working when your subject passes is because you have placed the object on the Procedure following the InLine. You need to add a line of script to your InLine that sets the input properties for the EndPrac object prior to the EndPrac.Run command. The easiest way to do this is to set the input properties as you want them in the object, place it on the Procedure (which you have already done), then compile the script. In the full script (Script option from the View menu), search for "EndPrac.Input" (use Ctrl+F to open a search window). Copy the entire line related to the InputMask setup for the object and paste it into your InLine prior to the EndPrac.Run command. For example, if I were doing this using the BasicRT example, I would find the following line relevant to the Stimulus object, which is collecting input in that experiment: Stimulus.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("12", c.GetAttrib("CorrectAnswer"), CLng(Stimulus.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, CLogical("Yes"), "", "", "ResponseMode:All ProcessBackspace:Yes") As an alternative to call the Run method from script, you could use two different InLine objects before and after the EndPrac object. The InLine before would be used to set the text, and the InLine after would be used to jump back... InLine Before..... If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset End If InLine After.... If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean < .90 Then Goto Label1 End If This really doesn't save you much, but is simply a different option. Hope this helps. Amy Eschman Psychology Software Tools -----Original Message----- From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:40 AM To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org Subject: Weird script behaviour An experiment is being designed here, which has an accuracy test, if the subject has less than 90% accuracy, the practice is rerun, using the following inline object script - which you may recognise as being a slightly modified version of the the script from the User Guide (which didn't work either). If Feedback.ACCStats.Mean > .90 Then EndPrac.Text = "Press the space bar if you are ready for real trials.\n\nIf you have questions, ask now." Else EndPrac.Text = "Your accuracy so far is <90%.\n\nPress the space bar for more practice." Feedback.ACCStats.Reset EndPrac.Run Goto Label1 End If Immediately after this scriptlet there is a text object (called EndPrac) which displays the result, this is set up for infinite duration, Space is the allowable response. Now, if the subject passes, everything is fine, and the actual trials commence, but if the subject gets below 90%, pressing the space bar does absolutely nothing. If the duration is not set to infinite, it times out and goes to label1 quite happily (but if you give a duration suitably long to press the space bar, again it is not recognised) and re-runs the trials. Anyone have any bright ideas why processing the fail in the script should in some way stop the following text object recognising the space bar? All the best Eddie Dubourg Computing/Technical Support Officer Theoretical and Applied Linguistics University of Edinburgh From kratner at wjh.harvard.edu Thu Jul 21 22:32:14 2005 From: kratner at wjh.harvard.edu (Kyle Ratner) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:32:14 -0400 Subject: Post-Doc Opening in Affective Neuroscience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, The Affective Neuroscience Laboratory in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University (http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~daplab) currently has a job opening for a 2-year, full-time post-doctoral position (see description below). We would appreciate your assistance in forwarding this announcement to any potential candidates. Best Regards, Kyle Ratner *************************************** Kyle G. 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I just tried to today on a new computer and we are getting this error: Failed to write keys or values to the database registry. Failed to open the registry. 0 65537 If you then click ok, the installation would continue, but it would then fail to recognize the hardware key. We've never had this problem before. From joshea at wjh.harvard.edu Mon Jul 25 19:00:02 2005 From: joshea at wjh.harvard.edu (James O'Shea) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:00:02 -0400 Subject: Installation errors with Windows XP In-Reply-To: <005901c5914a$4eb8d2b0$ab01000a@HGARC.ORG> Message-ID: I had this problem too. Downloading and running the HaspUserSetup.exe program resolved this issue for me. You can get it off of the pstnet.com eprime support site (http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/login.asp) under Download/Misc. See the following knowlegebase entry for more info: http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/support.asp?RequestID=8109 -jamie On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Rebecca Williams wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:54:36 -0400 > From: Rebecca Williams > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Subject: Installation errors with Windows XP > > Has anyone had any problems installing E-Prime with Windows XP? > I just tried to today on a new computer and we are getting this error: > Failed to write keys or values to the database registry. Failed to open the > registry. > 0 > 65537 > > If you then click ok, the installation would continue, but it would then > fail to recognize the hardware key. > > We've never had this problem before. > > > From kwillhoit at uwf.edu Mon Jul 25 21:45:19 2005 From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: custom response box Message-ID: Hello, all! I wrote once before but I think I put too much info and maybe no one wanted to read it all. :-) I'm using a custom-built 13-button response box that communicates via a serial cable. Each button transmits an ASCII character: the letters a through n for button presses, and the letters m through z for button releases. Does anyone know how I can get this box to act the same as a SRBox? I need to use it as the object to collect reaction and movement times as well as accuracy, and I would like the RT, MT, accuracy, and responses to be written to the DataAid file. I understand that it "just takes a bit of script", but I have exceeded my knowledge of the VBA language at this point. Is there anyone willing to help me with the script? Also, I have read in the archives that it is easiest to do this type of communication using parallel communication. My supervisor has suggested that we simply buy a serial-to-parallel adapter cable and use that to connect the box to the computer instead. Does anyone know if this would be a good solution? I would appreciate ANY feedback, thank you! Kristie Willhoit Research Associate University of West Florida Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science 11000 University Parkway Building 78, Room 140 Pensacola, FL 32514 (850) 474-3321 kwillhoit at uwf.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:22:40 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:22:40 +0200 Subject: custom response box In-Reply-To: <000101c59162$26d409a0$0559588f@mtrskls1> Message-ID: hi kristie, The protocol used by your custom box differs from the protocol used by the SRBox, so it is not possible to use the SRBox as is. A straightforward serial to parallel converter wouldn't help either because EPrime assumes there will be one button connected to each digit of the 8-bit values. (This is true for both the serial and the parallel protocols.) So, the characters sent by you box do not comply with the protocol supported by EPrime. For example: the first button will send an 'a', which corresponds to a numeric value of 97 (or binary 01100001). EPrime will interpret the changes of the three active bits as 3 simultaneous button events on buttons 1, 6 and 7. Another problem with the serial to parallel conversion is that you will require 13 independent digital lines if you're planning to use all the buttons, whereas regular serial to parallel converter only provide 8. I think there are several options: 1) translate the serial codes into 13 separate digital lines and extend the number of digital inputs available on the PC to handle all these lines. 2) make the firmware (embedded software) of the button box compatible with the SRBox protocol. 3) build a serial to serial translator device which is compatible with the SRBox protocol on one side and compatible with your button box on the other side. 4) insert some inline script to handle the serial input in EPrime yourself. The first 3 options require detailed knowledge of digital electronics. Option 4 is a 'software only' solution I've seen before on a system that used a serial (optical) button box in an fMRI environment. The downside of this construction is that it doesn't work exactly the same way as regular EPrime input objects and that you will have to insert pieces of inline script after each EPrime object that should handle button box events. I also know that some button box suppliers offer keyboard emulation drivers that generate keyboard events when a button is pressed. Such a driver would solve the problem. (Although you should measure RT accuracy to make sure the driver doesn't introduce unacceptable timing issues.) best, Paul Groot Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. >From: "Kristie Willhoit" >To: >Subject: custom response box >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:45:19 -0500 > >Hello, all! I wrote once before but I think I put too much info and maybe >no one wanted to read it all. :-) I'm using a custom-built 13-button >response box that communicates via a serial cable. Each button transmits >an >ASCII character: the letters a through n for button presses, and the >letters >m through z for button releases. Does anyone know how I can get this box >to >act the same as a SRBox? I need to use it as the object to collect >reaction >and movement times as well as accuracy, and I would like the RT, MT, >accuracy, and responses to be written to the DataAid file. I understand >that it "just takes a bit of script", but I have exceeded my knowledge of >the VBA language at this point. Is there anyone willing to help me with >the >script? > > > >Also, I have read in the archives that it is easiest to do this type of >communication using parallel communication. My supervisor has suggested >that we simply buy a serial-to-parallel adapter cable and use that to >connect the box to the computer instead. Does anyone know if this would be >a good solution? > > > >I would appreciate ANY feedback, thank you! > > > > > >Kristie Willhoit > >Research Associate > >University of West Florida > >Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science > >11000 University Parkway > >Building 78, Room 140 > >Pensacola, FL 32514 > >(850) 474-3321 > >kwillhoit at uwf.edu > > > > > From michael.crowley at yale.edu Thu Jul 28 12:16:34 2005 From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:34 -0400 Subject: rating faces - random word placement Message-ID: Dear List, we are designing a task for eprime in which faces are rated for the emotion they display. There are four words below each item (face), three are foils. We would like the four words to have a random order below the picture. Any suggestions on how to accomplish this would be much appreciated. thank you. Mike Crowley Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D. Yale Child Study Center 230 South Frontage Rd. 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