From cjm62 at georgetown.edu  Wed Jun  8 13:31:49 2005
From: cjm62 at georgetown.edu (Christopher Maloof)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.093149.0400.CJM62@GEORGETOWN.EDU>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914


From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun  8 13:49:17 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:49:17 -0400
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.094917.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

i can't speak to the microphone issue, but in our lab we use a USB "Gravis Game Pad Pro", which looks just like a PlayStation controller.
you can find them on froogle for about $20.  you program the various buttons to mimic keyboard buttons, so when you design your eprime experiment you don't enable the response box device.  works like a charm.
 
ben robinson
research asst

>>> Christopher Maloof <cjm62 at georgetown.edu> 6/8/2005 9:31 AM >>>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and 
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our 
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the 
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several 
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and 
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime 
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger 
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with 
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button 
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell 
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company 
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914




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From canto at usp.br  Wed Jun  8 14:41:09 2005
From: canto at usp.br (Luiz Henrique M. do Canto Pereira)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:41:09 -0300
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
In-Reply-To: <bdc689c33dcab3cbc8deacca9068cc25@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.114109.0300.CANTO@USP.BR>

Hi Chris,

For button-press input I have been using a 6 buttons gamepad (here in Brazil you
can buy it for US$ 7.00) conected to he gameport and so far it works pretty
well, the only problem is that it takes a little effort to configure it as a
port device; by the way you'll need a sound card with a gameport (I use a
Crystal Encore, around US$ 10.00).
Wish you luck,

Luiz Henrique

________________________________________________

Luiz Henrique M. do Canto Pereira
Laboratório de Fisiologia do Comportamento

ICB I - Universidade de São Paulo
Av. Prof. Lineu Prestes, 1524 Sl. 127
05508-900 - São Paulo - SP - Brasil
Tel: 55-11-3091-7215 Fax: 55-11-3091-7285
e-mail: canto at usp.br ; luiz at odontologia.com
_______________________________________________

> Hello,
>
> I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and
> microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our
> stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the
> high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several
> collaborators we share our experiments with.
>
> Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and
> button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime
> with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger
> input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with
> a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button
> input?
>
> (PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell
> if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company
> prefers people to buy their hardware.)
>
> Thanks for any ideas or insight!
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
> Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
> Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
> Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
> Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914
>
>
>


_


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun  8 14:58:45 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.095845.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

Chris and Ben,

 

If memory serves me right,  think the SuperLab response box ( with
multiple buttons ) is supposed to work with E-Prime, but I don't know of
anything in the voice-triggered input department. How difficult would it
be to create such a relay in a lab machine shop?

 

I have also read that Empirisoft ( makers of MediaLab software ) have
modified keyboards that will work with most PCs. These keyboards will
help register keypresses with 1 msec variablity, they claim. I have no
idea if this will work with E-Prime.

 

Sudevan

 

 

P Sudevan

Professor of Psychology

Chair, Faculty Senate

University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 AM
To: cjm62 at georgetown.edu; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?

 

i can't speak to the microphone issue, but in our lab we use a USB
"Gravis Game Pad Pro", which looks just like a PlayStation controller.

you can find them on froogle for about $20.  you program the various
buttons to mimic keyboard buttons, so when you design your eprime
experiment you don't enable the response box device.  works like a
charm.

 

ben robinson

research asst

>>> Christopher Maloof <cjm62 at georgetown.edu> 6/8/2005 9:31 AM >>>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and 
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our 
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the 
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several 
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and 
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime 
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger 
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with 
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button 
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell 
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company 
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914



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From pcheng at sfu.ca  Wed Jun  8 16:05:53 2005
From: pcheng at sfu.ca (peter cheng)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:53 -0700
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.090553.0700.PCHENG@SFU.CA>

Hi Folks:

I've seen a lot of requests about how to interface button boxes, voice
switch or external trigger to E-Prime, the simplest way to accomplish
this is to use a keyboard encoder, it is an electronic device that
simulates a keyboard presses, you connect the switch to the keyboard
encoder and E-Prime thinks it's just a key press, any hardware device
other than the response box from E-Prime requires some scripting to
interface to E-Prime. The one I have used is from
www.ultimar.com/ipac1.html, it has 28 inputs, connect to USB port and
cost $39.

Cheers!


From litling at hunter.cuny.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:11:57 2005
From: litling at hunter.cuny.edu (litling at hunter.cuny.edu)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:11:57 -0400
Subject: Sound files
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.121157.0400.>

I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?

Research Assistant
Language Acquisition Research Project
Department of Psychology
CUNY Hunter College
695 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10021
www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
(212)772-5557


From janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:24:40 2005
From: janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu (Jacob Anderson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:24:40 -0500
Subject: Sound files
In-Reply-To: <1118247117.42a718cd9f221@ms1web.hunter.cuny.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.112440.0500.JANDERSON@TFS.PSYCH.UMN.EDU>

Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,

You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:

SoundDevice Object (topic)

This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.
You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main
GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the
above topic.




On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:

> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
> sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
> e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
> tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
> successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
> other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?
>
> Research Assistant
> Language Acquisition Research Project
> Department of Psychology
> CUNY Hunter College
> 695 Park Avenue
> New York, NY 10021
> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
> (212)772-5557
>
>
>
>
>


Jacob E. Anderson
Psychophysiologist
Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
University of Minnesota
460N   75 East River Road
Minneapolis, MN 55455
612-626-7790

"I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews


From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:31:46 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:31:46 -0400
Subject: Sound files
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.123146.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

one important thing to remember is to keep the sound file of interest in the same folder as the script which will be playing the sound file.

>>> "Jacob Anderson" <janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu> 6/8/2005 12:24 PM >>>
Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,

You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:

SoundDevice Object (topic)

This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.  
You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main 
GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the 
above topic.




On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:

> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
> sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
> e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
> tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
> successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
> other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?
> 
> Research Assistant
> Language Acquisition Research Project
> Department of Psychology
> CUNY Hunter College
> 695 Park Avenue
> New York, NY 10021
> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
> (212)772-5557
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 


Jacob E. Anderson
Psychophysiologist
Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
University of Minnesota
460N   75 East River Road
Minneapolis, MN 55455
612-626-7790

"I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews



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From omalley at ohio.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:59:26 2005
From: omalley at ohio.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:59:26 -0400
Subject: Sound files
In-Reply-To: <s2a6e53d.064@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.125926.0400.OMALLEY@OHIO.EDU>

Two other common first-timer trip ups:

1. Make sure you have the Sound device enabled.  Edit:Experiment - Devices
tab.  Check the box for Sound.

2. Configure the Sound device for your files' sample rates, bit depth, and
mono/stereo.  To do this, navigate to the devices tab as above, click on
the Sound entry and then Edit..

--sean

--On Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:31 PM -0400 Ben Robinson
<BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu> wrote:

> one important thing to remember is to keep the sound file of interest in
> the same folder as the script which will be playing the sound file.
>
>>>> "Jacob Anderson" <janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu> 6/8/2005 12:24 PM >>>
>
> Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,
>
> You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:
>
> SoundDevice Object (topic)
>
> This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.
> You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main
> GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the
> above topic.
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:
>
>> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease
>> with which sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is
>> considering purchasing e-Prime and have several studies that require
>> running sound files.  I just tried to set up a basic experiment on the
>> demo and have yet been able to do so successfully.  Is there a trick to
>> successfully running sound files?  Or have other users encountered
>> repeated difficulty doing so?
>>
>> Research Assistant
>> Language Acquisition Research Project
>> Department of Psychology
>> CUNY Hunter College
>> 695 Park Avenue
>> New York, NY 10021
>> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
>> (212)772-5557
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Jacob E. Anderson
> Psychophysiologist
> Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
> University of Minnesota
> 460N   75 East River Road
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> 612-626-7790
>
> "I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see
> what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews
>



--------------
Sean O'Malley
Ohio University
Communication Network Services


From kevinpeters at trentu.ca  Wed Jun  8 18:21:44 2005
From: kevinpeters at trentu.ca (Kevin Peters)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:21:44 -0400
Subject: GSR and Eprime
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.142144.0400.KEVINPETERS@TRENTU.CA>

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has recorded GSR to stimuli using Eprime? Any advice regarding which GSR device and how to use it with Eprime would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Peters, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
Trent University
1600 West Bank Drive
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
K9J 7B8

Phone: (705) 748-1011 x5395
Fax: (705) 748-1580


From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au  Wed Jun  8 21:54:57 2005
From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:54:57 +1000
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.075457.1000.PAULJ@PSY.UQ.EDU.AU>

We use an in house external button box which has 2 buttons and a mic input.
It plugs into the game/joystick port of the computer. As far as the computer
is concerned it looks like a 3 button joystick. The 2 buttons map to Button1
and Button 2 on the joystick and the mic input maps to Button3. The mic
input is basically a sound level threshold switch where if the mic input
reaches a certain (adjustable) level then the button triggers. The advantage
of using something like this is that it doesn't have the inherent delays
that the mouse and keyboard have. The change is visible to your experiment
almost instantaneously. What is the point of millisecond accurate timing if
your devices are much slower.

Paul
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Paul R. Jackson
 Experimental Programmer

 School of Psychology
 University of Queensland
 E:paulj at psy.uq.edu.au
 P:3365-6713
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Wed Jun  8 21:56:50 2005
From: deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:56:50 +0300
Subject: eprime instalation with a USB plug
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.005650.0300.>

Hi all ,

I am have bought a new laptop and I am interested in installing the eprime the problem is that in my university the eprime package has a Parallel plug for installing eprime (key hardware)and my laptop has only USB conections the option of a converter is not working so I need a usb plug to do that and I can not return back the computer. does any body has any suggestions or a USB Plug that can work with my laptop. I contacted the eprime support and they suggested that I swap the old plug with a new usb plug but the problem is that the university is not interested to do that for only one student .
please if you have a usb plug or any suggestions please reply me

thanks alot ,

Deia Ganayim


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 10 09:24:37 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:37 +0200
Subject: button box
In-Reply-To: <42A71761.2040202@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.10.JUN.2005.112437.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Just a note on accurate response time measurements: DON’T use devices that
are connected by a USB port if millisecond accuracy is required. Although
USB ports support high data throughput rates, they have bad ‘real time’
specs. That is: they cause the same kind of RT-jitter as keyboards do.

For accurate RT measurements you can use any input port that has the status
of lines mapped to one of the IO-registers. This method allows up to 5
buttons to be connected to a standard LPT port; up to 4 buttons on an old
style 15 pin Game ports; and up to 4 on a regular COM port. More info:
http://www.psy.vu.nl/download/menu/

For experiments that require many buttons, RT accuracy is probably not an
issue and you can go along with keyboards or USB enabled keyboard encoders.
Otherwise you might have to use digital IO cards that support many digital
input lines or other dedicated button hardware.


best,
paul

>From: peter cheng <pcheng at sfu.ca>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: button box
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:05:53 -0700
>
>Hi Folks:
>
>I've seen a lot of requests about how to interface button boxes, voice
>switch or external trigger to E-Prime, the simplest way to accomplish this
>is to use a keyboard encoder, it is an electronic device that simulates a
>keyboard presses, you connect the switch to the keyboard encoder and
>E-Prime thinks it's just a key press, any hardware device other than the
>response box from E-Prime requires some scripting to interface to E-Prime.
>The one I have used is from www.ultimar.com/ipac1.html, it has 28 inputs,
>connect to USB port and cost $39.
>
>Cheers!
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Direct antwoord op je vragen: gebruik MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/


From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Wed Jun 15 08:51:28 2005
From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:51:28 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions.
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.095128.0100.EDDIE@LING.ED.AC.UK>

I've two, hopefully minor queries.

The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to execute for a set
amount of time?  We have a hemispheric observation task which has been
scripted, but we need to have a distractor task interleaved which will take
the form of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all bits,
but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.

Second, in another script, I have another observation task, but the target
words have to be preceded by two priming words randomly selected from a list
of about 10 words.  There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I can't work out how
to associate the target words with a particular list of primes since the
primes will occur randomly.

I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.

Thanks in advance,

Eddie Dubourg


From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Wed Jun 15 10:44:36 2005
From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:44:36 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
In-Reply-To: <200506150850.j5F8oTe02342@pisa.ling.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.114436.0100.EDDIE@LING.ED.AC.UK>

By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the first
question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
list.Reset

Well, that's the first egg on my face today......

E

U> -----Original Message-----
U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
U> To: 'E-Prime'
U> Subject: A couple of questions.
U>
U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
U>
U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
U>
U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
U>
U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
U>
U> Thanks in advance,
U>
U> Eddie Dubourg
U>
U>


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Wed Jun 15 11:56:17 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:56:17 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.135617.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Hi

Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to get a 
random order with certain restrictions?
I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that 
there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-files, 
but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.

Thanks
Robert Dörr


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 15 13:58:25 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:58:25 -0400
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.095825.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Hi Eddie,

Note that using List.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30) will
basically tell the list to not start another trial after 30 seconds.
However, it has no control over what happens once a trial has started,
i.e. the list will only check this condition at the beginning of a trial
and once started would not suddenly terminate a trial midway through if
the 30 seconds happened to expire at that point.

For many paradigms this is acceptable and you don't want the current
trial to terminate until complete, for others that need a more precise
termination you will probably have to insert script to periodically call
Clock.Read to get the millisecond time count and then abort the current
trial once a time limit is passed, e.g. in pseudo code...

Dim g_nEndTime As Long	' global variable to hold end time of current
timed sequence

...

' In an inline at the appropriate place in the experiment before the
sequence begins
g_nEndTime = Clock.Read + 30000 	' end time = current time + 30
seconds

...

' In an inline within the trial
If Clock.Read >= g_nEndTime Then

	' tells the list not to start another trial
	MyList.Terminate

	' log some indication in the data file that this trial was
incomplete
	c.SetAttrib "Status", "timeout"  
	c.Log					' log the current
(partial) trial

	Exit Sub		' Exit the current procedure immediately
End If


Note, the above script assumes that MyList is the List object that is
currently running and thus the Inline could only be used within
Procedures called from the MyList.   You can make this script more
generic and portable by determining at runtime the name of the currently
running list by examining the "Running" attribute which indicates the
name of the currently running list and then looking up the List object
and terminating it.

' In an inline within the trial
If Clock.Read >= g_nEndTime Then

	' Get a reference to the currently running list object
	Dim objList As FactorSpace        
	Set objList = GetFactorSpaceByName(c.GetAttrib("Running"))

	' tell the currently running list to terminate
    	objList.Terminate

	' log some indication in the data file that this trial was
incomplete
	c.SetAttrib "Status", "timeout"  
	c.Log					' log the current
(partial) trial

	Exit Sub		' Exit the current procedure immediately
End If

Hope that helps,
Tony

Anthony P. Zuccolotto
President and Chief Executive Officer
Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
2050 Ardmore Boulevard
Suite 200
Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
Phone     412-271-5040
FAX       412-271-7077
Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
Internet  http://www.pstnet.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf
> Of Eddie Dubourg
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:45 AM
> To: 'E-Prime'
> Subject: RE: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really
helps
> 
> By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the
first
> question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
> Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
> list.Reset
> 
> Well, that's the first egg on my face today......
> 
> E
> 
> U> -----Original Message-----
> U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
> U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
> U> To: 'E-Prime'
> U> Subject: A couple of questions.
> U>
> U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
> U>
> U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
> U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
> U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
> U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
> U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
> U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
> U>
> U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
> U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
> U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
> U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
> U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
> U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
> U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
> U>
> U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
> U>
> U> Thanks in advance,
> U>
> U> Eddie Dubourg
> U>
> U>
> 


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Wed Jun 15 15:03:58 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?UTF-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IETDtnJy?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:03:58 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB502182C10@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.170358.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers 
which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use 
this array to control the selection of the ListObject.



Katz, Lena B. wrote:

>Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
> 
>Hope this helps!
> 
>Lena
>
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert Dörr 
>	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM 
>	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
>	Cc: 
>	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
>	
>	
>
>	Hi
>	
>	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to get a
>	random order with certain restrictions?
>	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
>	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
>	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-files,
>	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
>	
>	Thanks
>	Robert Dörr
>	
>	
>
>  
>


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 15 15:41:48 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:41:48 -0400
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.114148.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Robert,

Check out the ExplicitOrder object and short example script in E-Basic Help.   This order can only be setup from script so that option is not currently present as an option in the graphical interface.   

In short, if you can define and write the algorithm in E-Prime script to decide the order of the levels/rows that you want, then you can reassign the List.Order property to use ExplicitOrder and then when the list runs it will do so in the explicit order that you have defined.

Here's the pseudo code

'set the explicit sampling order to: level/row 2, level/row 1, level/row 3
Dim strMyOrder As String

strMyOrder = "2 1 3"

Set List1.Order = ExplicitOrder( strMyOrder )
List1.Reset


Another possible approach is to first define a list in the experiment (it can just live in the Unreferenced branch of the tree) with all the exemplars you need and then use calls to List.GetAttrib( level, attribute ) to read the data off of that list and write out a tab delimited file in the order you want to use.   Then you have another list that you actual run which is setup to load itself from the file that you have written out.   This is particularly useful when you have a paradigm in which you want to perhaps change the stimulus presentation set or order of later blocks based on some subject specific performance criteria computed during earlier blocks.   

In general I'd say the former approach is less work overall.

Hope that gives you some ideas.

Cheers,
Tony

Anthony P. Zuccolotto
President and Chief Executive Officer
Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
2050 Ardmore Boulevard
Suite 200
Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
Phone     412-271-5040
FAX       412-271-7077
Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
Internet  http://www.pstnet.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert Dörr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: Re: Pseudo-Random Lists
> 
> Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers
> which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use
> this array to control the selection of the ListObject.
> 
> 
> 
> Katz, Lena B. wrote:
> 
> >Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check
> whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves
> removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to
> choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
> >
> >Hope this helps!
> >
> >Lena
> >
> >	-----Original Message-----
> >	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert Dörr
> >	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM
> >	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> >	Cc:
> >	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
> >
> >
> >
> >	Hi
> >
> >	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to
> get a
> >	random order with certain restrictions?
> >	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
> >	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
> >	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-
> files,
> >	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
> >
> >	Thanks
> >	Robert Dörr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 15 20:20:31 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:20:31 -0700
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
In-Reply-To: <200506151043.j5FAhae09596@pisa.ling.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.132031.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

Mr. Dubourg, I am really glad you asked this question because I'm about
to embark on a similar task.

Leisha Wharfield
Decision Research
Eugene, Oregon, USA

Eddie Dubourg wrote:

>By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the first
>question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
>Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
>list.Reset
>
>Well, that's the first egg on my face today......
>
>E
>
>U> -----Original Message-----
>U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
>U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
>U> To: 'E-Prime'
>U> Subject: A couple of questions.
>U>
>U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
>U>
>U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
>U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
>U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
>U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
>U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
>U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
>U>
>U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
>U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
>U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
>U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
>U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
>U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
>U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
>U>
>U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
>U>
>U> Thanks in advance,
>U>
>U> Eddie Dubourg
>U>
>U>
>
>
>
>
>


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Thu Jun 16 05:59:49 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:59:49 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA5088152F58@exchange01.pst.local>
Message-ID: <THU.16.JUN.2005.075949.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Hi,

That's exactly what I need. I'll try this afternoon...

Thanks a lot
Robert



Tony Zuccolotto wrote:

>Robert,
>
>Check out the ExplicitOrder object and short example script in E-Basic Help.   This order can only be setup from script so that option is not currently present as an option in the graphical interface.   
>
>In short, if you can define and write the algorithm in E-Prime script to decide the order of the levels/rows that you want, then you can reassign the List.Order property to use ExplicitOrder and then when the list runs it will do so in the explicit order that you have defined.
>
>Here's the pseudo code
>
>'set the explicit sampling order to: level/row 2, level/row 1, level/row 3
>Dim strMyOrder As String
>
>strMyOrder = "2 1 3"
>
>Set List1.Order = ExplicitOrder( strMyOrder )
>List1.Reset
>
>
>Another possible approach is to first define a list in the experiment (it can just live in the Unreferenced branch of the tree) with all the exemplars you need and then use calls to List.GetAttrib( level, attribute ) to read the data off of that list and write out a tab delimited file in the order you want to use.   Then you have another list that you actual run which is setup to load itself from the file that you have written out.   This is particularly useful when you have a paradigm in which you want to perhaps change the stimulus presentation set or order of later blocks based on some subject specific performance criteria computed during earlier blocks.   
>
>In general I'd say the former approach is less work overall.
>
>Hope that gives you some ideas.
>
>Cheers,
>Tony
>
>Anthony P. Zuccolotto
>President and Chief Executive Officer
>Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
>2050 Ardmore Boulevard
>Suite 200
>Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
>Phone     412-271-5040
>FAX       412-271-7077
>Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
>Internet  http://www.pstnet.com
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
>>Of Robert Dörr
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:04 AM
>>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>Subject: Re: Pseudo-Random Lists
>>
>>Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers
>>which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use
>>this array to control the selection of the ListObject.
>>
>>
>>
>>Katz, Lena B. wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check
>>>      
>>>
>>whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves
>>removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to
>>choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
>>    
>>
>>>Hope this helps!
>>>
>>>Lena
>>>
>>>	-----Original Message-----
>>>	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert Dörr
>>>	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM
>>>	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>>	Cc:
>>>	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>	Hi
>>>
>>>	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to
>>>      
>>>
>>get a
>>    
>>
>>>	random order with certain restrictions?
>>>	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
>>>	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
>>>	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-
>>>      
>>>
>>files,
>>    
>>
>>>	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
>>>
>>>	Thanks
>>>	Robert Dörr
>>>


From noland.white at gcsu.edu  Sun Jun 19 02:47:46 2005
From: noland.white at gcsu.edu (Noland White)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:47:46 -0400
Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
Message-ID: <SAT.18.JUN.2005.224746.0400.NOLAND.WHITE@GCSU.EDU>

I am considering adopting E-Prime for ERP research as my current EEG system
is limited in the paradigms that I can employ.  I understand that E-Prime
can be used to send triggers to the acquisition device via the parallel port
but would appreciate any pointers to references or technical material for 1)
fabricating the necessary cable(s) and 2) creation of auditory P3a and P3b
paradigms in E-Prime.



Sincerely,



Noland White





-----------------------------------

J. Noland White, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Georgia College & State University

Milledgeville, GA 31061



478-445-5946 (voice)

478-445-0856 (fax)



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From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 07:23:01 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:23:01 +0200
Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
In-Reply-To: <20050619025054.BKOQ749.lakermmtao06.cox.net@personaleyi7oe>
Message-ID: <TUE.21.JUN.2005.092301.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Dear Nolan,

The wiring of the parallel port cable depends on the input pinning of the
EEG equipment. A single printer port can be used to send up to 8 digital
signals by using a single WritePort call. Detailed info on printer port
connections can be found at http://www.lvr.com/jansfaq.htm

best,
paul


>From: "Noland White" <noland.white at gcsu.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:47:46 -0400
>
>I am considering adopting E-Prime for ERP research as my current EEG system
>is limited in the paradigms that I can employ.  I understand that E-Prime
>can be used to send triggers to the acquisition device via the parallel
>port
>but would appreciate any pointers to references or technical material for
>1)
>fabricating the necessary cable(s) and 2) creation of auditory P3a and P3b
>paradigms in E-Prime.
>
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
>Noland White
>
>
>
>
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>J. Noland White, Ph.D.
>
>Department of Psychology
>
>Georgia College & State University
>
>Milledgeville, GA 31061
>
>
>
>478-445-5946 (voice)
>
>478-445-0856 (fax)
>
>
>
>  <mailto:noland.white at gcsu.edu> noland.white at gcsu.edu
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
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From rcelind at okstate.edu  Thu Jun 23 15:40:41 2005
From: rcelind at okstate.edu (Celinda M Reese)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:40:41 -0500
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.104041.0500.RCELIND@OKSTATE.EDU>

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From Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca  Thu Jun 23 19:03:02 2005
From: Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca (Mike Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:03:02 -0300
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.160302.0300.MIKE.LAWRENCE@DAL.CA>

Hi there,

I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a researcher who uses
Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course I cannot read the edat format files.
Is there a tool somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
simple txt files?

I know Eprime has an internal conversion tool, but again, I don't have access to
this because I don't have Eprime. What's more, I've already bugged the
researcher who sent me the data enough, so I'm reluctant to ask him to convert
the files for me.

So I'm looking for a free, standalone, batch conversion tool and I'd be very
appreciative if anyone can point me in the right direction.

Cheers,

Mike Lawrence

--

Mike Lawrence
Research Assistant to Dr. Gail Eskes
Dalhousie University & QEII Health Sciences Centre (Psychiatry)

Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca

"The road to Wisdom? Well, it's plain and simple to express:
Err and err and err again, but less and less and less."
- Piet Hein


From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 23 20:32:04 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:32:04 -0400
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.163204.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

>Hi there,
>
>I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a
>researcher who uses Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course
>I cannot read the edat format files.  Is there a tool
>somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
>simple txt files?

I'm still quite the amateur with E-Prime, but our experiments
export a flat .TXT file in addition to the .EDAT file.  I
don't know if this is a setting that is standard, but if it
is, perhaps your colleague could send those instead?

--
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From dhair at wfubmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 20:38:50 2005
From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:38:50 -0400
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.163850.0400.DHAIR@WFUBMC.EDU>

Unfortunately the .txt files created are an "archive" of that same .eDat
file that is created on-line during the experiment... this is done so
that you can recover the data in event of early termination. It is a
somewhat funky file format, and difficult to make sense of - you have to
use the E-prime Data recovery tool to convert them in E-Data files. Ugh.


W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy
 
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:32 PM
To: Mike Lawrence; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Edat to txt conversion?

>Hi there,
>
>I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a
>researcher who uses Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course
>I cannot read the edat format files.  Is there a tool
>somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
>simple txt files?

I'm still quite the amateur with E-Prime, but our experiments 
export a flat .TXT file in addition to the .EDAT file.  I 
don't know if this is a setting that is standard, but if it 
is, perhaps your colleague could send those instead?

-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:09:36 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:09:36 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.170936.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid before going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming issues and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are irrelevant.  Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this post, I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
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From dhair at wfubmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:19:59 2005
From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:19:59 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.171959.0400.DHAIR@WFUBMC.EDU>

As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS for 90% of
my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between E-Data Aid and
SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
there directly.
So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all the things
you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. This also
gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
SPSS from there.

I, too, am curious to see what other folks do... 

Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
data in E-data-Aid, sorry.

Dave

W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy
 
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: processing eprime data

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
before going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
issues and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from
edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data
values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
irrelevant.  Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
post, I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz  Thu Jun 23 21:28:58 2005
From: Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:28:58 +1200
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.092858.1200.PAUL.WARREN@VUW.AC.NZ>

I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his macros available?

Paul

Dr Paul Warren 
School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies 
Victoria University of Wellington 
New Zealand 

tel +64 4 463 5631/5600 
fax +64 4 463 5604 



| -----Original Message-----
| From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
| Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
| To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
| Subject: RE: processing eprime data
| 
| 
| As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS 
| for 90% of
| my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between 
| E-Data Aid and
| SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
| eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
| there directly.
| So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
| then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
| through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
| mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
| in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all 
| the things
| you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. 
| This also
| gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
| Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
| SPSS from there.
| 
| I, too, am curious to see what other folks do... 
| 
| Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
| data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
| 
| Dave
| 
| W. David Hairston
| Neurobiology and Anatomy
|  
| Wake Forest University School of Medicine
| Winston-Salem, NC 27157
| (336) 716-4481 (lab)
| http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
| Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
| Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
| To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
| Subject: processing eprime data
| 
| Dear List,
| 
| I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
| before going
| to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
| issues and
| I'm wondering how people are processing their data, 
| post-collection from
| edata
| aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
| 
| Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are 
| many null data
| values.
|  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
| 
| Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
| irrelevant.  Is
| their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
| variables?
| 
| Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
| post, I
| will compile the feedback for the list.
| 
| best wishes,
| 
| Mike Crowley
| 
| 
| 
| Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
| Yale Child Study Center
| 230 South Frontage Rd.
| New Haven, CT 06520
| 
| 
| 
| Please be aware that email communication can be
| intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
| consider communicating any sensitive information
| by telephone, fax or mail. The information
| contained in this message may be privileged and
| confidential. If you are NOT the intended
| recipient, please notify the sender immediately
| with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
| this message.
| 
| 
| 


From katzlb at upmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:35:11 2005
From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:35:11 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.173511.0400.KATZLB@UPMC.EDU>

I haven't actually started collecting data yet (sorry for all the code questions!).  But I'd love to see the source code for Dave's macros... we're probably not all going to want to strip out the same data, but having a good example would be nice.
 
Lena

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Paul Warren 
	Sent: Thu 6/23/2005 5:28 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: processing eprime data
	
	

	I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his macros available?
	
	Paul
	
	Dr Paul Warren
	School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
	Victoria University of Wellington
	New Zealand
	
	tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
	fax +64 4 463 5604
	
	
	
	| -----Original Message-----
	| From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
	| Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
	| To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
	| Subject: RE: processing eprime data
	|
	|
	| As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
	| for 90% of
	| my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
	| E-Data Aid and
	| SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
	| eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
	| there directly.
	| So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
	| then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
	| through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
	| mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
	| in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
	| the things
	| you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
	| This also
	| gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
	| Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
	| SPSS from there.
	|
	| I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
	|
	| Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
	| data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
	|
	| Dave
	|
	| W. David Hairston
	| Neurobiology and Anatomy
	| 
	| Wake Forest University School of Medicine
	| Winston-Salem, NC 27157
	| (336) 716-4481 (lab)
	| http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
	|
	| -----Original Message-----
	| From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
	| Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
	| Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
	| To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
	| Subject: processing eprime data
	|
	| Dear List,
	|
	| I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
	| before going
	| to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
	| issues and
	| I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
	| post-collection from
	| edata
	| aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
	|
	| Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
	| many null data
	| values.
	|  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
	|
	| Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
	| irrelevant.  Is
	| their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
	| variables?
	|
	| Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
	| post, I
	| will compile the feedback for the list.
	|
	| best wishes,
	|
	| Mike Crowley
	|
	|
	|
	| Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
	| Yale Child Study Center
	| 230 South Frontage Rd.
	| New Haven, CT 06520
	|
	|
	|
	| Please be aware that email communication can be
	| intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
	| consider communicating any sensitive information
	| by telephone, fax or mail. The information
	| contained in this message may be privileged and
	| confidential. If you are NOT the intended
	| recipient, please notify the sender immediately
	| with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
	| this message.
	|
	|
	|
	
	


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Thu Jun 23 21:44:25 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:25 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.174425.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
dialog.   

Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
them back in.   

If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
Export... option to send the data elsewhere.

If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
added in.

...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
of adding and deleting using Excel.   

-Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf
> Of Paul Warren
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> 
> I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
stats
> either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
haven't
> come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
Dave
> could make his macros available?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Dr Paul Warren
> School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> Victoria University of Wellington
> New Zealand
> 
> tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
> fax +64 4 463 5604
> 
> 
> 
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
> | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
> | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> |
> |
> | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
> | for 90% of
> | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
> | E-Data Aid and
> | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
> | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
> | there directly.
> | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
> | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
go
> | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
you
> | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
this
> | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
> | the things
> | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
> | This also
> | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
> | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
into
> | SPSS from there.
> |
> | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
> |
> | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
NULL
> | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
> |
> | Dave
> |
> | W. David Hairston
> | Neurobiology and Anatomy
> |
> | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
> | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
> | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
> | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
> | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
> | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> | Subject: processing eprime data
> |
> | Dear List,
> |
> | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
> | before going
> | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
> | issues and
> | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
> | post-collection from
> | edata
> | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
> |
> | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
> | many null data
> | values.
> |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
> |
> | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
> | irrelevant.  Is
> | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
> | variables?
> |
> | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
this
> | post, I
> | will compile the feedback for the list.
> |
> | best wishes,
> |
> | Mike Crowley
> |
> |
> |
> | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
> | Yale Child Study Center
> | 230 South Frontage Rd.
> | New Haven, CT 06520
> |
> |
> |
> | Please be aware that email communication can be
> | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
> | consider communicating any sensitive information
> | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
> | contained in this message may be privileged and
> | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
> | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
> | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
> | this message.
> |
> |
> |


From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:52:54 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:54 -0500
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <1119560976.42bb2510d5469@webmail.med.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.165254.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

I, too, use Excel and SPSS for analyzing my data, but I prep it using
DataAid first.  You can use the Filter function to remove any NULL values
from a specific column by setting the range not equal to NULL.  Note,
however, that this will exclude all data in that trial from analysis.  I
also use the analyze function in DataAid to run the analyses I need
(strictly reaction and movement time means in my case), then export the
results to Excel, then import that file to SPSS (after making it
SPSS-friendly, as Dave mentioned).  Hope this helps!

Kristie

Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
University of West Florida
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
11000 University Parkway
Building 78, Room 140
Pensacola, FL 32514
(850) 474-3321
kwillhoit at uwf.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
Of Michael J. Crowley
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:10 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: processing eprime data

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid before
going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming issues
and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from
edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data
values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are irrelevant.
Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this post,
I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de  Fri Jun 24 00:24:56 2005
From: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de (Georg Odenthal)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:24:56 +0200
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.022456.0200.ODENTHAL@SOZ.PSYCHOLOGIE.UNIKONSTANZ.DE>

Hi,

to be honest I usually never use the data files E-Prime creates
automatically. Since I work a lot with E-Basic to create special
questionnaires like open ended text input, text fields or variable
scales or animation I usually open a new textfile for writing and
then create an E-Basic code that puts all the data I need into this
file after each trial. I sometimes go back to the edat files to
double-check a timing issue or whether the response keys were coded
correctly, but most of the time I don't care much about the edat files.

A lot of the data I collect in my studies are variables that are
defined temporarily in an E-Basic code object. To get E-Prime to put
these variable out to the .edat file you need to add the attribute to
the current object and then update the value of the attribute every
time something in E-Basic or a response has changed this value. This
can be quite tedious.

Since I often write programs for other people the creation of an own
datafile is necessary. The people I write the programs for like it if
they can just open SPSS and then import a text file with one row for
each subject and X columns for the variables or the response data.
It's also more convenient for me, because then I don't have to
convert the edat files into something the researcher finds more useful.

Bye,
  Georg


==========================================

Georg Odenthal, Dipl.-Psych.
Social Psychology and Motivation
Box D39
University of Konstanz
78457 Konstanz, Germany

Phone #: +49 7531 88-2872
Fax #: +49 7531 88-3286
Email: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de
URL: http://www.socpsych.uni-konstanz.de

==========================================


From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Fri Jun 24 15:10:15 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:10:15 -0500
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA508815388A@exchange01.pst.loca l>
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.101015.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do.
Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we
want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my
behavioral stats file (excel as well).

Jordan



At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>dialog.
>
>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>them back in.
>
>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>
>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>added in.
>
>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>
>-Tony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>Behalf
> > Of Paul Warren
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> >
> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>stats
> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>haven't
> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>Dave
> > could make his macros available?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Dr Paul Warren
> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > New Zealand
> >
> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
> > fax +64 4 463 5604
> >
> >
> >
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> > |
> > |
> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
> > | for 90% of
> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
> > | E-Data Aid and
> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
> > | there directly.
> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>go
> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>you
> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>this
> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
> > | the things
> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
> > | This also
> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>into
> > | SPSS from there.
> > |
> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
> > |
> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>NULL
> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
> > |
> > | Dave
> > |
> > | W. David Hairston
> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
> > |
> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
> > |
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > | Subject: processing eprime data
> > |
> > | Dear List,
> > |
> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
> > | before going
> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
> > | issues and
> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
> > | post-collection from
> > | edata
> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
> > |
> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
> > | many null data
> > | values.
> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
> > |
> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
> > | irrelevant.  Is
> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
> > | variables?
> > |
> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>this
> > | post, I
> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
> > |
> > | best wishes,
> > |
> > | Mike Crowley
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
> > | Yale Child Study Center
> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
> > | New Haven, CT 06520
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
> > | this message.
> > |
> > |
> > |

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Fri Jun 24 18:53:09 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:53:09 -0700
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050624095849.01276db0@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.115309.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
takes it from there.

Leisha

Jordan Bigio wrote:

> I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I 
> do. Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for 
> stats we want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back 
> into my behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>
> Jordan
>
>
>
> At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>
>> If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>> little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>> dialog.
>>
>> Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>> remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>> variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>> them back in.
>>
>> If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>> arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>> Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>
>> If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>> reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>> and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>> added in.
>>
>> ...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>> of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of Paul Warren
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>> >
>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>> stats
>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>> haven't
>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>> Dave
>> > could make his macros available?
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Dr Paul Warren
>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>> > New Zealand
>> >
>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > | -----Original Message-----
>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>> > | for 90% of
>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>> > | E-Data Aid and
>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>> > | there directly.
>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>> go
>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>> you
>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>> this
>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>> > | the things
>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>> > | This also
>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>> into
>> > | SPSS from there.
>> > |
>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>> > |
>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>> NULL
>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>> > |
>> > | Dave
>> > |
>> > | W. David Hairston
>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>> > |
>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>> > |
>> > | -----Original Message-----
>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>> > |
>> > | Dear List,
>> > |
>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>> > | before going
>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>> > | issues and
>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>> > | post-collection from
>> > | edata
>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>> > |
>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>> > | many null data
>> > | values.
>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>> > |
>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>> > | variables?
>> > |
>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>> this
>> > | post, I
>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>> > |
>> > | best wishes,
>> > |
>> > | Mike Crowley
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>> > | this message.
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
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From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Mon Jun 27 14:37:50 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
Subject: suspend/resume function
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.093750.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
 
Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
University of West Florida
kwillhoit at uwf.edu

From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Mon Jun 27 19:09:11 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:11 -0400
Subject: compiled responses for processing data in eprime
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.150911.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear list,

Thank you all for your thorough responses.  What follows is a compilation of the
various methods each of you suggested for analyzing raw data from E-Prime. 
We’ve appended the responses from all those who contributed to this query. 
Tony Zuccolotto’s response addresses the main points for typical data handling
(merge, exclude/filter unnecessary variables, reuse preferred column
arrangement as data files are added), but the many users offered specific
solutions and extensions that may be of interest to the list.  I’ve appended
each of these below.

Thanks to you all for your thorough responses.

Mike Crowley

Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520


From Kristie Willhoit:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:54 -0500
From:  Kristie Willhoit <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I, too, use Excel and SPSS for analyzing my data, but I prep it using
DataAid first.  You can use the Filter function to remove any NULL values
from a specific column by setting the range not equal to NULL.  Note,
however, that this will exclude all data in that trial from analysis.  I
also use the analyze function in DataAid to run the analyses I need
(strictly reaction and movement time means in my case), then export the
results to Excel, then import that file to SPSS (after making it
SPSS-friendly, as Dave mentioned).  Hope this helps!

Kristie

Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
University of West Florida
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science


From Leisha Wharfield:

Date:  Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:53:09 -0700
From:  Leisha Wharfield <leisha at decisionresearch.org>
Cc:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS &
takes it from there.

Leisha


From Jordan Bigio:

From:  Jordan Bigio <j-bigio at northwestern.edu>
To:  Tony Zuccolotto <anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com>, Paul Warren
<Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do.
Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we
want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my
behavioral stats file (excel as well).

Jordan

From Georg Odenthal:

From:  Georg Odenthal <odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

To be honest I usually never use the data files E-Prime creates
automatically. Since I work a lot with E-Basic to create special
questionnaires like open ended text input, text fields or variable
scales or animation I usually open a new textfile for writing and
then create an E-Basic code that puts all the data I need into this
file after each trial. I sometimes go back to the edat files to
double-check a timing issue or whether the response keys were coded
correctly, but most of the time I don't care much about the edat files.

A lot of the data I collect in my studies are variables that are
defined temporarily in an E-Basic code object. To get E-Prime to put
these variable out to the .edat file you need to add the attribute to
the current object and then update the value of the attribute every
time something in E-Basic or a response has changed this value. This
can be quite tedious.

Since I often write programs for other people the creation of an own
datafile is necessary. The people I write the programs for like it if
they can just open SPSS and then import a text file with one row for
each subject and X columns for the variables or the response data.
It's also more convenient for me, because then I don't have to
convert the edat files into something the researcher finds more useful.

Georg

Georg Odenthal, Dipl.-Psych.
Social Psychology and Motivation
Box D39
University of Konstanz
78457 Konstanz, Germany


From Tony Zuccolotto:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:25 -0400
From:  Tony Zuccolotto <anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com>
To:  Paul Warren <Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
dialog.

Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
them back in.

If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
Export... option to send the data elsewhere.

If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
added in.

..not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
of adding and deleting using Excel.

Tony


From Stephani Foraker:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:42:43 -0500
From:  Stephani Foraker <sforaker at uchicago.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

I like to use data aid to pull out only my experimental items and the
columns of interest from the merged file - use the 'hide columns' feature
and filter feature to show only the info you want. I often use a condition
tag in the eprime program that runs the experiment, log that, and can do a
checklist for filtering on just the conditions that I want to look at. Then
I usually export that as a text, tab-delimited file which can be imported
to excel or spss easily. I usually do some preprocessing in excel, whose
pivot table function is fabulous for looking at various properties of the
data, and if working with reaction time type measures I can sort based on
min or max times, etc. The pivot tables also provide an excellent way to
produce just the cell means in just the configuration that you want for any
spss or other statistical package analyses - select, copy and paste into
the data anlaysis spreadsheet. And lastly, excel's table formatting is much
more flexible than spss's if that's what you use, so I like having my data
and means available in excel, too.

Stephani.


From Lena Katz:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:35:11 -0400
From:  "Katz, Lena B." <katzlb at upmc.edu>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I haven't actually started collecting data yet (sorry for all the code
questions!).  But I'd love to see the source code for Dave's macros... we're
probably not all going to want to strip out the same data, but having a good
example would be nice.

Lena


From Paul Warren:

Date:  Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:28:58 +1200
From:  Paul Warren <Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either
in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips
with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his
macros available?

Paul

Dr Paul Warren
School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
Victoria University of Wellington
New Zealand

tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
fax +64 4 463 5604


From Mark Casteel:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:23:31 -0400
From:  "Mark A. Casteel" <mac13 at psu.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

One easy way to accomplish this is to use the Filter available
from the tools menu in E-DataAid. You can select as many filters as you
like. For each, hit the checklist button, and then simply check all of
those conditions which are applicable. You can then export your data to
SPSS or an EXCEL spreadsheet, and it will be limited to only those values
that are selected via the filter.

Mark


From David Hairston:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:19:59 -0400
From:  David Hairston <dhair at wfubmc.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS for 90% of
my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between E-Data Aid and
SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
there directly.

So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all the things
you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. This also
gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
SPSS from there.

I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...

Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
data in E-data-Aid, sorry.

Dave

W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy

Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/






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From skinzb at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 19:15:14 2005
From: skinzb at yahoo.com (Sarah Kinzbrunner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:15:14 -0700
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
In-Reply-To: <57201.86256@mail.talkbank.org>
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.121514.0700.SKINZB@YAHOO.COM>


Hello,

I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this forum has been very helpful.

I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response, either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down with each correct/incorrect response)?

Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Sarah


		
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From Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Mon Jun 27 19:15:59 2005
From: Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:15:59 +0100
Subject: I'm not here.....
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.201559.0100.>

I'll be back soon.

Eddie


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 19:22:40 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:22:40 +0200
Subject: suspend/resume function
In-Reply-To: <9019F9EBA84C2A4A915190CF588889165600C5@FSEVS2.argo.uwf.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.212240.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

hi kristie,

I'm not familiar with the example you mentioned, but you will have to copy 
the user script part into the 'user' tab of the script window (use Alt-5 or 
Menu->View->Script.) Don't copy it in an inline script!!!

best,
paul

>From: "Kristie Willhoit" <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: suspend/resume function
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
>
>Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program 
>will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I 
>have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my 
>program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown 
>function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it 
>states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the 
>portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received 
>the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any 
>suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>Kristie Willhoit
>Research Associate
>Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
>University of West Florida
>kwillhoit at uwf.edu


From KKim at iona.edu  Wed Jun 29 01:30:16 2005
From: KKim at iona.edu (Kim, Kisok)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:30:16 -0400
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
Message-ID: <TUE.28.JUN.2005.213016.0400.KKIM@IONA.EDU>

That is a good idea.
I also wish we had a student version of e-prime.
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
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Department of Psychology Iona College 
715 North Avenue New Rochelle, NY 10801-1890 
Phone: 914 633 2232 Fax: 225-208-3795
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Sarah Kinzbrunner 
	Sent: Mon 6/27/2005 3:15 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
	
	

		Hello,

		I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this forum has been very helpful.

		I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response, either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down with each correct/incorrect response)?

		Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

		Thank you.

		Sincerely,

		Sarah

	
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From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 02:06:05 2005
From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <57201.86256@mail.talkbank.org>
Message-ID: <TUE.28.JUN.2005.190605.0700.BRANDONCERNICKY@YAHOO.COM>

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

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From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 29 13:22:21 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:22:21 -0400
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.092221.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Sarah,

 

If you change the BackStyle property on *all* the tabs of your feedback
object (and *all* the text boxes on each tab) to Transparent then
whatever the display output the Feedback generates should just be
displayed over top of whatever happens to remain on the screen (i.e. the
stimulus you presented).

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Tony

 

________________________________

From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Kinzbrunner
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:15 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05

 

	Hello,

	I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this
forum has been very helpful.

	I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number
of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response,
either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down
with each correct/incorrect response)?

	Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to
stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

	Thank you.

	Sincerely,

	Sarah

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From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun 29 13:52:26 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:26 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.095226.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and understood.
 
ben robinson
research asst.
 
 


>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

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Psychology Software Tools


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From fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu  Wed Jun 29 14:43:19 2005
From: fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu (David Fencsik)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:43:19 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.104319.0400.FENCSIK@SEARCH.BWH.HARVARD.EDU>

You can generally use E-Recovery to convert the text file into an 
E-DataAid file.  I think the text data file produced by E-Run is 
intended for backup purposes, so it records data as soon as it becomes 
available, not in a nice, easy-to-read format.

Maybe it would be helpful if E-Run converted the .txt file into a 
separate tab-delimited text file instead of (or in addition to) 
generating a .edat file--this could be set by a preference in E-Studio. 
  It would certainly save time for those who have been posting comments 
on this topic so far.

David

--
David Fencsik, Ph.D.
Research Fellow

Visual Attention Laboratory
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Boston, MA  02115

Email: fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu
Web: http://search.bwh.harvard.edu/

On Jun 29, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Ben Robinson wrote:

> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
> opened in excel and understood.
>
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>
>
>
>
>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>
> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
> of the design and implementation features and did not
> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
> and E-DataAid.
>
> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
> E-DataAid.
>
> Improvements to export in general?
> Improvements to export to Excel?
> Improvements to export to SPSS?
> Improvements to export to XML?
>
> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
> packages would be reduced?
>
>
> -Brandon
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Brandon S. Cernicky
> Senior Software Engineer
> Psychology Software Tools


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun 29 15:21:08 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:21:08 -0500
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.102108.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

I was assured that data file export to StatView and SPSS would be
continued when I asked about this with PST. I am hoping that that will
indeed be the case.

Sudevan


P Sudevan
Professor of Psychology
Chair, Faculty Senate
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Brandon Cernicky
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:06 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brandon S. Cernicky
Senior Software Engineer
Psychology Software Tools


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From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 29 15:22:18 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:22:18 -0500
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.102218.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to quit an 
experiment, a usable edat file would be great.

Jordan

At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved 
>dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat 
>file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of 
>what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and 
>understood.
>
>ben robinson
>research asst.
>
>
>
>
> >>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
><http://mail.yahoo.com>http://mail.yahoo.com

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
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From amy.eschman at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 29 15:53:04 2005
From: amy.eschman at pstnet.com (Amy Eschman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:53:04 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115304.0400.AMY.ESCHMAN@PSTNET.COM>

The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as possible
when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format (an error
occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want the ability to
end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of InLine script
called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to terminate an experiment
after a trial or block without losing the data file.  The graceful abort
script checks the value of GetUserBreakState to see if a special key
sequence has been pressed.  A description of the graceful abort can be
found in Section 2.8.2 of the E-Prime User's Guide.

 

Amy Eschman

Psychology Software Tools

 

 

________________________________

From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features

 

I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to quit
an experiment, a usable edat file would be great. 

Jordan

At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:



it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be
improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat
file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording
of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel
and understood.
 
ben robinson
research asst.
 
 


>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brandon S. Cernicky
Senior Software Engineer
Psychology Software Tools


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From shulman.1 at osu.edu  Wed Jun 29 17:46:14 2005
From: shulman.1 at osu.edu (Harvey Shulman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:46:14 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.134614.0400.SHULMAN.1@OSU.EDU>

I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there 
on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for 
getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases 
etc. needed.   Thanks.

-------
Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
Department of Psychology
The Ohio State University
201 Lazenby Hall
Columbus, OH 43210
ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984


From cam47 at psu.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:03:27 2005
From: cam47 at psu.edu (Carol Anne Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:03:27 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.140327.0400.CAM47@PSU.EDU>

I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could be 
called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that I 
can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something based 
on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be aimed at 
such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's hard to 
explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book that helped 
me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Carol Miller, Ph.D.
Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
Penn State University
115-B Moore Building
(814) 865-6213
cam47 at psu.edu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:

>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to narrow 
>them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>needed.   Thanks.
>
>-------
>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>Department of Psychology
>The Ohio State University
>201 Lazenby Hall
>Columbus, OH 43210
>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>


From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:13:54 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050629135523.02c0abf0@email.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.131354.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could be 
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book 
>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 29 18:32:28 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:32:28 +0200
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.203228.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

I don’t agree on this point. The raw text output is just flat and 
chronological version of the information collected during the experiment. 
All attributes and their values are mentioned line-by-line and the 
hierarchical structure of the experiment is translated by levels and 
indentation. The dynamic nature of this information doesn't allow it to be 
formatted in a flat table such as in E-DataAid during the test because the 
column structure isn't known at the start of the experiment. For unexpected 
script terminations you can always use E-Recovery to rescue any data 
recorded so far, so you will probably never have to interpret the text files 
yourself. And if your experiment has different output requirements (such as 
tracking and recording mouse positions during the test), you can always 
write your own custom output file by using minor scripting.

In short: E-DataAid is such a great and powerful tool for filtering and 
translating complete data sets that you will only want to use the raw text 
files for backup purposes.

paul groot
VU Amsterdam

>From: "Ben Robinson" <BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>, <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:26 -0400
>
>it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved 
>dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat 
>file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of 
>what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and 
>understood.
>
>ben robinson
>research asst.
>
>
>
>
> >>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 18:51:03 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:51:03 -0700
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115103.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

What helped for me when I started out learning Dbase was that I found an 
author who wrote in easy-to-understand English, even though he published 
huge manuals that allowed me to figure out how to do whatever I needed 
to do. I had a programmer tutor me once. He brought a small, sample 
program and explained to me how it worked. After that, I just took the 
manual & went for it.

My advice is to have your student peruse the available manuals and 
decide which is easiest for her to understand. Something with easy 
lessons, where she can copy in or download sample programs would be great.

The Eprime tutorial is good for that, too, I agree. There's no fast way; 
it's learning a language.

Leisha

Harvey Shulman wrote:

>
> I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  
> She has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic 
> was designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out 
> there on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some 
> advice to narrow them down to one or two that are well written and 
> good for getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, 
> databases etc. needed.   Thanks.
>
> -------
> Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
> Department of Psychology
> The Ohio State University
> 201 Lazenby Hall
> Columbus, OH 43210
> ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>


From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:51:06 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:51:06 -0400
Subject: Electrical Geodesics biological addons and eprime 2.0
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.145106.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear List,

we are in the proces of upgrading to eprime 2.0.  We also use EGI dense array
EEG with a biological add-ons software (developed by psychology software tools)
made to synch the EEG with eprime.

Does anyone know about compatibility of biological add-ons with eprime 2.0?
Has this been worked out, etc.

thank you.

Mike Crowley


Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 18:53:07 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:53:07 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA508816D7F5@exchange01.pst.local>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115307.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I was never able to get the graceful abort to work, unfortunately. Has 
anyone done it?

Leisha

Amy Eschman wrote:

> The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as 
> possible when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format 
> (an error occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want 
> the ability to end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of 
> InLine script called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to 
> terminate an experiment after a trial or block without losing the data 
> file.  The graceful abort script checks the value of GetUserBreakState 
> to see if a special key sequence has been pressed.  A description of 
> the graceful abort can be found in Section 2.8.2 of the E-Prime User's 
> Guide.
>
>  
>
> Amy Eschman
>
> Psychology Software Tools
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>
>  
>
> I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to 
> quit an experiment, a usable edat file would be great.
>
> Jordan
>
> At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>
> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
> opened in excel and understood.
>  
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>  
>  
>
>
>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
> of the design and implementation features and did not
> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
> and E-DataAid.
>
> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
> E-DataAid.
>
> Improvements to export in general?
> Improvements to export to Excel?
> Improvements to export to SPSS?
> Improvements to export to XML?
>
> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
> packages would be reduced?
>
>
> -Brandon
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Brandon S. Cernicky
> Senior Software Engineer
> Psychology Software Tools
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
> Project Coordinator
> Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
> Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
> Northwestern University
> 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
> Evanston, IL 60208
> Phone: 847-491-3647
>
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From rkwillia at bu.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:56:21 2005
From: rkwillia at bu.edu (Rebecca Williams)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:56:21 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050629131233.03c87980@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.145621.0400.RKWILLIA@BU.EDU>

I actually tried that book, but found it pretty useless. The best thing I
found was to track down a couple people's e-prime programs with script and
work my way through their script.

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic


You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than
that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could 
>be
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book 
>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  
>>She
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:58:06 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:58:06 -0500
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.135806.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

I have "VBA for Dummies", which is good. I also have VBA Developers'
Handbook, which is large and technical. However, as I am beginning to
learn VB and VBA, I am wondering about the differences between all the
versions. My software is version 6.3 ( attached to Word 2003 and Excel
2003 ). Will any of the editions of "VBA for Dummies" be equally
helpful? Some of the windows and features in VB 6.3 seem to be different
from earlier versions.

I don't find programming per se a problem, having done Fortran and C++
programmimg in the ( somewhat distant ) past. I agree that the E-Prime
reference is a better description of the language at an
easy-to-understand level.

P Sudevan
Professor of Psychology
Chair, Faculty Senate
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic

You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than
that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could
be 
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel
that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to
be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.
It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book

>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.
She 
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there
on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for
getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From katzlb at upmc.edu  Wed Jun 29 19:09:43 2005
From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:09:43 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.150943.0400.KATZLB@UPMC.EDU>

I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to translate).
 
So, I'm gonna recommend http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part of what learning programming is about... learning that the syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
 
Lena

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Harvey Shulman 
	Sent: Wed 6/29/2005 1:46 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic
	
	


	I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She
	has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was
	designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there
	on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to
	narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for
	getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases
	etc. needed.   Thanks.
	
	-------
	Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
	Department of Psychology
	The Ohio State University
	201 Lazenby Hall
	Columbus, OH 43210
	ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
	
	


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 19:30:49 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:49 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c2baae.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.123049.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I see. I think my problem is that I was trying to find the one key place 
in which to check the state.

Thanks for the tip.

Leisha

Ben Robinson wrote:

> yes, you just need to liberally lace your script with statements 
> checking up on the status of the "user break state".  the more places 
> in your script where you double-check the user break state, the more 
> places, and the more readily, your script will know how to terminate 
> early in the event it detects a change in the user break state.
>  
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>
> >>> Leisha Wharfield <leisha at decisionresearch.org> 6/29/2005 2:53 PM >>>
> I was never able to get the graceful abort to work, unfortunately. Has 
> anyone done it?
>
> Leisha
>
> Amy Eschman wrote:
>
>> The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as 
>> possible when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format 
>> (an error occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want 
>> the ability to end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of 
>> InLine script called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to 
>> terminate an experiment after a trial or block without losing the 
>> data file.  The graceful abort script checks the value of 
>> GetUserBreakState to see if a special key sequence has been pressed.  
>> A description of the graceful abort can be found in Section 2.8.2 of 
>> the E-Prime User's Guide.
>>
>> Amy Eschman
>>
>> Psychology Software Tools
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
>> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>>
>> I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to 
>> quit an experiment, a usable edat file would be great.
>>
>> Jordan
>>
>> At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>>
>> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
>> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
>> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
>> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
>> opened in excel and understood.
>>  
>> ben robinson
>> research asst.
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>> of the design and implementation features and did not
>> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>> and E-DataAid.
>>
>> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>> E-DataAid.
>>
>> Improvements to export in general?
>> Improvements to export to Excel?
>> Improvements to export to SPSS?
>> Improvements to export to XML?
>>
>> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>> packages would be reduced?
>>
>>
>> -Brandon
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Brandon S. Cernicky
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> Psychology Software Tools
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>> Project Coordinator
>> Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>> Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>> Northwestern University
>> 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>> Evanston, IL 60208
>> Phone: 847-491-3647
>>
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From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 29 19:54:48 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:54:48 +0200
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <20050629020605.38637.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.215448.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Hello Brandon,

There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved:

1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when 
used in combination with the analysis option.

2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column 
names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum 
allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. 
This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. 
Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111)

3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create a 
'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment is 
collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can only 
be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is 
required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also 
holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived from 
a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant string 
value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along with all 
other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be translated 
at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. Offline 
translation of such data is also possible by using excel and copying and 
pasting columns.

Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward 
but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy 
mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the 
annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data.

kind regards,
Paul Groot
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam



>From: Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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From lngmyers at ccu.edu.tw  Wed Jun 29 23:28:53 2005
From: lngmyers at ccu.edu.tw (James Myers)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:28:53 +0800
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.072853.0800.>

I would advise against VBA for anything other than quick-and-dirty code
for some
specific in-house purpose. Microsoft keeps changing the language so older
code quickly becomes unrunnable. I myself spent the last half year or so
tweaking a complex set of Excel macros in the version of Microsoft Office
that I happen to have on my machine (Excel 97 or something). I assumed the
end result would be something I could post on my website for anybody with
Office to download and use, but nope -- not only does it not work on Macs,
but it doesn't even work in Excel 2000 or later.

-- jm


From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Thu Jun 30 00:09:18 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:09:18 -0500
Subject: suspend/resume function
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F26D7868026730659ACF68697EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.190918.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

Ah ha - it's always the incredibly simple things...  Thanks for the tip,
Paul! :D  A follow-up question, if you can help - now when the program
resumes, it ceases to play sound.  Another simple remedy overlooked?

Kristie

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gr [mailto:pauls_postbus at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:23 PM
To: kwillhoit at uwf.edu; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: RE: suspend/resume function

hi kristie,

I'm not familiar with the example you mentioned, but you will have to copy 
the user script part into the 'user' tab of the script window (use Alt-5 or 
Menu->View->Script.) Don't copy it in an inline script!!!

best,
paul

>From: "Kristie Willhoit" <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: suspend/resume function
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
>
>Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program 
>will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I 
>have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my 
>program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown 
>function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it 
>states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the

>portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received 
>the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any 
>suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>Kristie Willhoit
>Research Associate
>Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
>University of West Florida
>kwillhoit at uwf.edu


From pquain at metz.une.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 01:39:58 2005
From: pquain at metz.une.edu.au (Peter Quain)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:39:58 +1000
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <42BC5695.5090703@decisionresearch.org>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.113958.1000.PQUAIN@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU>


we export the entire unmodified edat file to tab del text then import the 
whole thing into SPSS, using the point and click read text data wizard, 
allowing the program to modify variable names however it wishes. We save 
then run the syntax, then print variable names with the 'Display Labels' 
command, identify the variables of interest, and use the 'Keep', 'Rename' 
and 'Drop' subcommands of the 'Save' command to sort the columns, and 
provide meaningful variable names and / or labels.

Once this is done for the 1st subject's data file the syntax can be run for 
each subsequent file simply by changing the source file name, and the 
outfile names. Any combination of variables can be grabbed from the master 
file by a few changes to the keep, drop, and rename subcommands. Because 
the variable names are the same in both individual subject and merged files 
the syntax can be used to import and organise single subject data (to 
combine behavioural data with EEG files, for instance), or merged files. 
Some rough example syntax (minus the display labels command) for single 
subject data (no subject identifier included) below:

Peter

* Import e-dat info for ENUM3

GET DATA  /TYPE = TXT
  /FILE = 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\e3_5_edat.txt'
  /DELCASE = LINE
  /DELIMITERS = "\t"
  /ARRANGEMENT = DELIMITED
  /FIRSTCASE = 2
  /IMPORTCASE = ALL
  /VARIABLES =
  Experime A10
  Subject F1.0
  Session F1.0
  Age F2.1
  V4 F6.2
  Gender A1
  Group F1.0
  Handed A1
  RandomSe F10.2
  SessionD A10
  SessionT A8
  Block F1.0
  BlockLis F1.0
  V14 F1.0
  V15 F1.0
  Practice F1.0
  V17 F1.0
  V18 F1.0
  V19 A8
  Procedur A9
  V20 A17
  Trial F2.0
  CheckAcc F1.0
  V24 F1.0
  V25 F1.0
  Code F2.0
  CollectC F6.0
  V28 F4.0
  corransw F1.0
  Fixation F4.2
  V31 F4.2
  V32 F2.1
  None F2.1
  NoWords F1.0
  numobs F1.0
  PracList F2.1
  V37 F1.0
  V38 F2.1
  V39 A9
  Recall.A F1.0
  V40 A9
  Stim1 A9
  ThreeSyl F2.1
  ThreeWor F1.0
  TrialLis F2.1
  V46 F1.0
  V47 F2.1
  TwoSyl F1.0
  TwoWords F1.0
  Type F1.0
  Word1 A3
  .
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' / Keep block 
trial checkacc code collectc v28 corransw  recall.a stim1.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' .

Compute ob = $CASENUM.
Execute.
Formats ob (F8.0).

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' / Keep ob code 
corransw checkacc v28 all.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_3.sav' / Rename (code 
corransw checkacc v28 = type resp acc rt) / Drop= block To stim1.


At 04:53 AM 25/06/2005, Leisha Wharfield wrote:
>I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
>takes it from there.
>
>Leisha
>
>Jordan Bigio wrote:
>
>>I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do. 
>>Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we 
>>want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my 
>>behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>>
>>Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>>
>>>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>>>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>>>dialog.
>>>
>>>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>>>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>>>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>>>them back in.
>>>
>>>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>>>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>>>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>>
>>>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>>>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>>>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>>>added in.
>>>
>>>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>>>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>>
>>>-Tony
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>> > Of Paul Warren
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> >
>>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>>>stats
>>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>>>haven't
>>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>>>Dave
>>> > could make his macros available?
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > Dr Paul Warren
>>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>>> > New Zealand
>>> >
>>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>>> > | for 90% of
>>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>>> > | E-Data Aid and
>>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>>> > | there directly.
>>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>>>go
>>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>>>you
>>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>>>this
>>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>>> > | the things
>>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>>> > | This also
>>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>>>into
>>> > | SPSS from there.
>>> > |
>>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>>> > |
>>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>>>NULL
>>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>>> > |
>>> > | Dave
>>> > |
>>> > | W. David Hairston
>>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>>> > |
>>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>>> > |
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > | Dear List,
>>> > |
>>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>>> > | before going
>>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>>> > | issues and
>>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>>> > | post-collection from
>>> > | edata
>>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>>> > |
>>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>>> > | many null data
>>> > | values.
>>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>>> > |
>>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>>> > | variables?
>>> > |
>>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>>>this
>>> > | post, I
>>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>>> > |
>>> > | best wishes,
>>> > |
>>> > | Mike Crowley
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>>> > | this message.
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>
>>
>>Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>>Project Coordinator
>>Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>>Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>>Northwestern University
>>2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>>Evanston, IL 60208
>>Phone: 847-491-3647
>>
>>
>
>Peter Quain
>School of Psychology
>University of New England
>Armidale, Australia, 2351
>Phone:  02 6773 5193
>Fax:      02 6773 3820
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From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk  Thu Jun 30 08:29:51 2005
From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:29:51 +0100
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au>; from "leeh"
 at Thu Jun 30 09:29:51 2005
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.092951.0100.LEEH@BIOLS.SUSX.AC.UK>

I use the same method as Peter (below) except that I e-merge the edat files
first before exporting the whole file to TXT (which saves repeating the GET
command for each subject) and then use the keep subcommand on the save command
to establish the order and content of columns (which saves time doing it by
hand in data aid).

Lee.


-- Begin original message --

From: Peter Quain <pquain at metz.une.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:39:58 +1000
Subject: Re: processing eprime data
Sender: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org


we export the entire unmodified edat file to tab del text then import the 
whole thing into SPSS, using the point and click read text data wizard, 
allowing the program to modify variable names however it wishes. We save 
then run the syntax, then print variable names with the 'Display Labels' 
command, identify the variables of interest, and use the 'Keep', 'Rename' 
and 'Drop' subcommands of the 'Save' command to sort the columns, and 
provide meaningful variable names and / or labels.

Once this is done for the 1st subject's data file the syntax can be run for 
each subsequent file simply by changing the source file name, and the 
outfile names. Any combination of variables can be grabbed from the master 
file by a few changes to the keep, drop, and rename subcommands. Because 
the variable names are the same in both individual subject and merged files 
the syntax can be used to import and organise single subject data (to 
combine behavioural data with EEG files, for instance), or merged files. 
Some rough example syntax (minus the display labels command) for single 
subject data (no subject identifier included) below:

Peter

* Import e-dat info for ENUM3

GET DATA  /TYPE = TXT
  /FILE = 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\e3_5_edat.txt'
  /DELCASE = LINE
  /DELIMITERS = "\t"
  /ARRANGEMENT = DELIMITED
  /FIRSTCASE = 2
  /IMPORTCASE = ALL
  /VARIABLES =
  Experime A10
  Subject F1.0
  Session F1.0
  Age F2.1
  V4 F6.2
  Gender A1
  Group F1.0
  Handed A1
  RandomSe F10.2
  SessionD A10
  SessionT A8
  Block F1.0
  BlockLis F1.0
  V14 F1.0
  V15 F1.0
  Practice F1.0
  V17 F1.0
  V18 F1.0
  V19 A8
  Procedur A9
  V20 A17
  Trial F2.0
  CheckAcc F1.0
  V24 F1.0
  V25 F1.0
  Code F2.0
  CollectC F6.0
  V28 F4.0
  corransw F1.0
  Fixation F4.2
  V31 F4.2
  V32 F2.1
  None F2.1
  NoWords F1.0
  numobs F1.0
  PracList F2.1
  V37 F1.0
  V38 F2.1
  V39 A9
  Recall.A F1.0
  V40 A9
  Stim1 A9
  ThreeSyl F2.1
  ThreeWor F1.0
  TrialLis F2.1
  V46 F1.0
  V47 F2.1
  TwoSyl F1.0
  TwoWords F1.0
  Type F1.0
  Word1 A3
  .
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' / Keep block 
trial checkacc code collectc v28 corransw  recall.a stim1.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' .

Compute ob = $CASENUM.
Execute.
Formats ob (F8.0).

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' / Keep ob code 
corransw checkacc v28 all.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_3.sav' / Rename (code 
corransw checkacc v28 = type resp acc rt) / Drop= block To stim1.


At 04:53 AM 25/06/2005, Leisha Wharfield wrote:
>I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
>takes it from there.
>
>Leisha
>
>Jordan Bigio wrote:
>
>>I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do. 
>>Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we 
>>want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my 
>>behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>>
>>Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>>
>>>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>>>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>>>dialog.
>>>
>>>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>>>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>>>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>>>them back in.
>>>
>>>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>>>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>>>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>>
>>>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>>>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>>>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>>>added in.
>>>
>>>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>>>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>>
>>>-Tony
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>> > Of Paul Warren
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> >
>>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>>>stats
>>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>>>haven't
>>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>>>Dave
>>> > could make his macros available?
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > Dr Paul Warren
>>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>>> > New Zealand
>>> >
>>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>>> > | for 90% of
>>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>>> > | E-Data Aid and
>>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>>> > | there directly.
>>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>>>go
>>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>>>you
>>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>>>this
>>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>>> > | the things
>>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>>> > | This also
>>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>>>into
>>> > | SPSS from there.
>>> > |
>>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>>> > |
>>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>>>NULL
>>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>>> > |
>>> > | Dave
>>> > |
>>> > | W. David Hairston
>>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>>> > |
>>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>>> > |
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > | Dear List,
>>> > |
>>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>>> > | before going
>>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>>> > | issues and
>>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>>> > | post-collection from
>>> > | edata
>>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>>> > |
>>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>>> > | many null data
>>> > | values.
>>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>>> > |
>>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>>> > | variables?
>>> > |
>>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>>>this
>>> > | post, I
>>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>>> > |
>>> > | best wishes,
>>> > |
>>> > | Mike Crowley
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>>> > | this message.
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>
>>
>>Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>>Project Coordinator
>>Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>>Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>>Northwestern University
>>2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>>Evanston, IL 60208
>>Phone: 847-491-3647
>>
>>
>
>Peter Quain
>School of Psychology
>University of New England
>Armidale, Australia, 2351
>Phone:  02 6773 5193
>Fax:      02 6773 3820


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From jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu  Thu Jun 30 15:07:44 2005
From: jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu (Jeffrey Bedwell)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:07:44 -0400
Subject: eye tracking paradigms
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.110744.0400.JBEDWELL@MAIL.UCF.EDU>

I was wondering if anyone had any eyetracking paradigms built in E-Prime that they would be willing to let me use?  I'm especially interested in smooth-pursuit eye tracking and anti-saccade tasks. 
 
Thanks, Jeff Bedwell 
 

________________________________________
Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor - Clinical Doctoral Program
Clinical Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Psychology
University of Central Florida
Phone: 407-823-5858 FAX: 407-823-5862 
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From kimira at umich.edu  Thu Jun 30 15:17:46 2005
From: kimira at umich.edu (kimira at umich.edu)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:17:46 -0400
Subject: Remove from list
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.111746.0400.>

Hi,

Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for
this. Thanks.

-Kim Ruelle


From ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu Jun 30 19:47:39 2005
From: ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu (Ilya Korsunskiy)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:39 -0400
Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.154739.0400.ILYAKO@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU>

Hello e-prime community, 

I sent out a query earlier pertaining to contact information from those labs currently or planning to integrate e-prime with psychophysiological recordings (namely through biopac). We are now moving into the initial steps of integration and have come up with the following list of questions to guide our progress:
?	Do we integrate during the experimental or during the analysis phase? 
?	What kind of inputs would E-prime accept and where would it fit in the software? 
?	How can we synchronize E-prime and biopac to start at the same time on separate computers? 
?	How well can we depend on time precision between two separate operating systems? 
?	How do we convert the biopac data to compare it to the data collected in E-prime (or vice versa)?
Any helpful answers, questions or comments would be greatly appreciated. 

Best
Ilya Korsunsky


From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 30 22:07:52 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:07:52 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.180752.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

>I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
>really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
>translate).
>
>So, I'm gonna recommend
>http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
>memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
>looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
>and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
>of what learning programming is about... learning that the
>syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
>to do, and how difficult it's going to be.

As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand 
VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. 
standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things 
like substring functions.  In almost every computer language, 
it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the 
worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.

Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last 
quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it 
contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of 
collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear 
code and document it well will save time and effort in the 
future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:47:14 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:47:14 +0200
Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
In-Reply-To: <30810565.1120160859277.JavaMail.tomcat@roadmaster>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUL.2005.004714.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Dear Ilya,

It’s a bit hard to cover all these topics completely in a single answer, so 
let me focus on a few important issues:

Integrating BioPac and EPrime is not very different from most systems a have 
encountered so far. In most cases two separate computers are being used: one 
for running tests or stimulus software (i.e. EPrime), and one for data 
acquisition (i.e. collecting data from BioPac.) In most cases the only link 
between the two systems is a synchronization connection, which is typically 
realized between the parallel printer port of the EPrime PC and the isolated 
digital input lines of the BioPac hardware (i.e. the STP100C module.) I 
think a suitable interface cable is also supplied with the current (new) 
modules. The link between the two systems is one-way only and can only be 
used to send up to eight digital signals from your EPrime script by using a 
few simple lines of inline script. These 8 signals are available as 8 
separate input signals in BioPac and can be viewed and stored just like any 
other physiological signal. Because there are 8 independent signals 
available it is possible to encode information (such as stimulus type) by 
sending different numerical values to the printer port. In other words: the 
8 lines can be view as a way to send and record event codes. To check for 
any timing errors or delays we performed some tests in our lab. One of these 
tests was a check to test for timing differences between the digital and the 
analog signals. (This is very important for synchronization or event codes!) 
The only thing we found out is that our STP100C (which is not exactly the 
same as currently supplied) had slightly different electrical specs on the 
first digital input line (the one which can also be used as trigger signal.) 
  Although it should be possible to start data acquisition by activating the 
trigger input (one of the 8 digital input lines), we typically start the 
recording manually before starting the EPrime script. While running the 
script, we just send sync. codes at relevant moments to the printer port to 
take care of the event marking. (You could also include one ore more 
instruction screens as part of the EPrime script to instruct how to 
initialize and start a recording.) However, there is one type of event that 
is not very trivial to encode during the recording: subject responses! This 
is because you will have to take care of sending the proper codes at the 
right moments yourself because EPrime currently doesn't support automatic 
forwarding of such events. (Version 2 hopefully does!)

Because the communication between the two systems is limited to a few 
one-way digital lines, it is not possible to use any information about the 
physiological signals at runtime in your EPrime script. (I.e. biofeedback is 
not an option.) You will probably use the digital markers during the 
analysis phase of the physiological data to select relevant fragments of the 
recording. Unfortunately the BioPac analysis software doesn’t have proper 
tools to automate such analysis procedures, so you will have to process a 
lot of the data manually, or convert the data to other analysis packages. 
Anyway, in most cases you will only merge EPrime output and physiological 
data after preprocessing the raw signals to extract the desired information 
(such as average heart rate during a specific period.)


hope this is of any help
Paul Groot


>From: Ilya Korsunskiy <ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hello e-prime community,
>
>I sent out a query earlier pertaining to contact information from those 
>labs currently or planning to integrate e-prime with psychophysiological 
>recordings (namely through biopac). We are now moving into the initial 
>steps of integration and have come up with the following list of questions 
>to guide our progress:
>?	Do we integrate during the experimental or during the analysis phase?
>?	What kind of inputs would E-prime accept and where would it fit in the 
>software?
>?	How can we synchronize E-prime and biopac to start at the same time on 
>separate computers?
>?	How well can we depend on time precision between two separate operating 
>systems?
>?	How do we convert the biopac data to compare it to the data collected in 
>E-prime (or vice versa)?
>Any helpful answers, questions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Best
>Ilya Korsunsky
>


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Thu Jun 30 22:53:32 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:53:32 -0700
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <93d00386.14b9a57a.9c28d00@mirapointms3.wayne.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.155332.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I think those of us 
who still believe in it are quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming 
up, "it just doesn't matter."

Leisha

Doug Fuller wrote:

>>I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
>>really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
>>translate).
>>
>>So, I'm gonna recommend
>>http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
>>memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
>>looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
>>and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
>>of what learning programming is about... learning that the
>>syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
>>to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
>>    
>>
>
>As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand 
>VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. 
>standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things 
>like substring functions.  In almost every computer language, 
>it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the 
>worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.
>
>Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last 
>quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it 
>contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of 
>collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear 
>code and document it well will save time and effort in the 
>future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
>  
>
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From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 30 23:10:50 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:10:50 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.191050.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

Indeed - it's a natural consequence of the growth explosion 
in hardware resources:

Back in the day when you only had 64kb of memory, you had to 
write memory-efficient code.  Back in the day when you had 
circuits running in the sub-megahertz range, you had to 
develop fast algorithms.  This is why Y2K happened - 
programmers sacrificed century datespace for other purposes.

But THESE days, processors are fast, and memory is cheap - 
bloat and inefficiency are running wild.  I'm still trying to 
understand why a mail reader requires an HTML interface, for 
example...

>   I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I
>   think those of us who still believe in it are
>   quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming up, "it
>   just doesn't matter."
>
>   Leisha
>
>   Doug Fuller wrote:
>
> I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
> really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
> translate).
>
> So, I'm gonna recommend
> http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
> memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
> looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
> and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
> of what learning programming is about... learning that the
> syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
> to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
>    
>
> As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't 
stand
> VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e.
> standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things
> like substring functions.  In almost every computer 
language,
> it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the
> worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.
>
> Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that 
last
> quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it
> contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of
> collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write 
clear
> code and document it well will save time and effort in the
> future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
>  
-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au  Wed Jun  8 21:54:57 2005
From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:54:57 +1000
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.075457.1000.PAULJ@PSY.UQ.EDU.AU>

We use an in house external button box which has 2 buttons and a mic input.
It plugs into the game/joystick port of the computer. As far as the computer
is concerned it looks like a 3 button joystick. The 2 buttons map to Button1
and Button 2 on the joystick and the mic input maps to Button3. The mic
input is basically a sound level threshold switch where if the mic input
reaches a certain (adjustable) level then the button triggers. The advantage
of using something like this is that it doesn't have the inherent delays
that the mouse and keyboard have. The change is visible to your experiment
almost instantaneously. What is the point of millisecond accurate timing if
your devices are much slower.

Paul
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Paul R. Jackson
 Experimental Programmer

 School of Psychology
 University of Queensland
 E:paulj at psy.uq.edu.au
 P:3365-6713
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 


From cjm62 at georgetown.edu  Wed Jun  8 13:31:49 2005
From: cjm62 at georgetown.edu (Christopher Maloof)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.093149.0400.CJM62@GEORGETOWN.EDU>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914


From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun  8 13:49:17 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:49:17 -0400
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.094917.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

i can't speak to the microphone issue, but in our lab we use a USB "Gravis Game Pad Pro", which looks just like a PlayStation controller.
you can find them on froogle for about $20.  you program the various buttons to mimic keyboard buttons, so when you design your eprime experiment you don't enable the response box device.  works like a charm.
 
ben robinson
research asst

>>> Christopher Maloof <cjm62 at georgetown.edu> 6/8/2005 9:31 AM >>>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and 
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our 
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the 
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several 
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and 
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime 
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger 
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with 
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button 
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell 
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company 
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914




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From canto at usp.br  Wed Jun  8 14:41:09 2005
From: canto at usp.br (Luiz Henrique M. do Canto Pereira)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:41:09 -0300
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
In-Reply-To: <bdc689c33dcab3cbc8deacca9068cc25@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.114109.0300.CANTO@USP.BR>

Hi Chris,

For button-press input I have been using a 6 buttons gamepad (here in Brazil you
can buy it for US$ 7.00) conected to he gameport and so far it works pretty
well, the only problem is that it takes a little effort to configure it as a
port device; by the way you'll need a sound card with a gameport (I use a
Crystal Encore, around US$ 10.00).
Wish you luck,

Luiz Henrique

________________________________________________

Luiz Henrique M. do Canto Pereira
Laborat?rio de Fisiologia do Comportamento

ICB I - Universidade de S?o Paulo
Av. Prof. Lineu Prestes, 1524 Sl. 127
05508-900 - S?o Paulo - SP - Brasil
Tel: 55-11-3091-7215 Fax: 55-11-3091-7285
e-mail: canto at usp.br ; luiz at odontologia.com
_______________________________________________

> Hello,
>
> I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and
> microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our
> stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the
> high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several
> collaborators we share our experiments with.
>
> Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and
> button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime
> with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger
> input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with
> a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button
> input?
>
> (PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell
> if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company
> prefers people to buy their hardware.)
>
> Thanks for any ideas or insight!
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
> Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
> Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
> Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
> Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914
>
>
>


_


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun  8 14:58:45 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.095845.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

Chris and Ben,

 

If memory serves me right,  think the SuperLab response box ( with
multiple buttons ) is supposed to work with E-Prime, but I don't know of
anything in the voice-triggered input department. How difficult would it
be to create such a relay in a lab machine shop?

 

I have also read that Empirisoft ( makers of MediaLab software ) have
modified keyboards that will work with most PCs. These keyboards will
help register keypresses with 1 msec variablity, they claim. I have no
idea if this will work with E-Prime.

 

Sudevan

 

 

P Sudevan

Professor of Psychology

Chair, Faculty Senate

University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:49 AM
To: cjm62 at georgetown.edu; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Alternatives to SRBox for voice-trigger?

 

i can't speak to the microphone issue, but in our lab we use a USB
"Gravis Game Pad Pro", which looks just like a PlayStation controller.

you can find them on froogle for about $20.  you program the various
buttons to mimic keyboard buttons, so when you design your eprime
experiment you don't enable the response box device.  works like a
charm.

 

ben robinson

research asst

>>> Christopher Maloof <cjm62 at georgetown.edu> 6/8/2005 9:31 AM >>>

Hello,

I have a question about people's experience using response boxes and 
microphones with E-Prime.  My lab is considering using E-Prime for our 
stimulus presentation programs; the only hurdle at this point is the 
high cost of the PST Serial Response Box, for ourselves and for several 
collaborators we share our experiments with.

Our experiments require precise timings for voice-trigger and 
button-press input.  My question is, has anyone managed to use E-Prime 
with hardware other than the PST SR Box, particularly for voice-trigger 
input?  For instance, is it possible to use a standard microphone with 
a good sound card for voice triggers, or a cheaper gamepad for button 
input?

(PST tech support says such methods aren't supported, but I can't tell 
if that means they're difficult/impossible or only that the company 
prefers people to buy their hardware.)

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

Chris

--
Christopher J. Maloof, M.S.
Research Assistant, Brain and Language Lab
Georgetown University Dept. of Neuroscience
Box 571464  Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202)687-2113  Fax: (202)687-6914



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From pcheng at sfu.ca  Wed Jun  8 16:05:53 2005
From: pcheng at sfu.ca (peter cheng)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:53 -0700
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.090553.0700.PCHENG@SFU.CA>

Hi Folks:

I've seen a lot of requests about how to interface button boxes, voice
switch or external trigger to E-Prime, the simplest way to accomplish
this is to use a keyboard encoder, it is an electronic device that
simulates a keyboard presses, you connect the switch to the keyboard
encoder and E-Prime thinks it's just a key press, any hardware device
other than the response box from E-Prime requires some scripting to
interface to E-Prime. The one I have used is from
www.ultimar.com/ipac1.html, it has 28 inputs, connect to USB port and
cost $39.

Cheers!


From litling at hunter.cuny.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:11:57 2005
From: litling at hunter.cuny.edu (litling at hunter.cuny.edu)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:11:57 -0400
Subject: Sound files
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.121157.0400.>

I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?

Research Assistant
Language Acquisition Research Project
Department of Psychology
CUNY Hunter College
695 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10021
www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
(212)772-5557


From janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:24:40 2005
From: janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu (Jacob Anderson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:24:40 -0500
Subject: Sound files
In-Reply-To: <1118247117.42a718cd9f221@ms1web.hunter.cuny.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.112440.0500.JANDERSON@TFS.PSYCH.UMN.EDU>

Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,

You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:

SoundDevice Object (topic)

This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.
You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main
GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the
above topic.




On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:

> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
> sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
> e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
> tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
> successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
> other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?
>
> Research Assistant
> Language Acquisition Research Project
> Department of Psychology
> CUNY Hunter College
> 695 Park Avenue
> New York, NY 10021
> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
> (212)772-5557
>
>
>
>
>


Jacob E. Anderson
Psychophysiologist
Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
University of Minnesota
460N   75 East River Road
Minneapolis, MN 55455
612-626-7790

"I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews


From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:31:46 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:31:46 -0400
Subject: Sound files
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.123146.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

one important thing to remember is to keep the sound file of interest in the same folder as the script which will be playing the sound file.

>>> "Jacob Anderson" <janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu> 6/8/2005 12:24 PM >>>
Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,

You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:

SoundDevice Object (topic)

This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.  
You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main 
GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the 
above topic.




On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:

> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease with which
> sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is considering purchasing
> e-Prime and have several studies that require running sound files.  I just
> tried to set up a basic experiment on the demo and have yet been able to do so
> successfully.  Is there a trick to successfully running sound files?  Or have
> other users encountered repeated difficulty doing so?
> 
> Research Assistant
> Language Acquisition Research Project
> Department of Psychology
> CUNY Hunter College
> 695 Park Avenue
> New York, NY 10021
> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
> (212)772-5557
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 


Jacob E. Anderson
Psychophysiologist
Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
University of Minnesota
460N   75 East River Road
Minneapolis, MN 55455
612-626-7790

"I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews



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From omalley at ohio.edu  Wed Jun  8 16:59:26 2005
From: omalley at ohio.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:59:26 -0400
Subject: Sound files
In-Reply-To: <s2a6e53d.064@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.125926.0400.OMALLEY@OHIO.EDU>

Two other common first-timer trip ups:

1. Make sure you have the Sound device enabled.  Edit:Experiment - Devices
tab.  Check the box for Sound.

2. Configure the Sound device for your files' sample rates, bit depth, and
mono/stereo.  To do this, navigate to the devices tab as above, click on
the Sound entry and then Edit..

--sean

--On Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:31 PM -0400 Ben Robinson
<BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu> wrote:

> one important thing to remember is to keep the sound file of interest in
> the same folder as the script which will be playing the sound file.
>
>>>> "Jacob Anderson" <janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu> 6/8/2005 12:24 PM >>>
>
> Dear E-Prime Help List Writer,
>
> You should probably read the E-Basic Help topic:
>
> SoundDevice Object (topic)
>
> This may give you some insight to why your sound files wont play.
> You can access this by clicking on the "Help" menu on the main
> GUI. On the Help Topics tab, click on Index then cut and paste the
> above topic.
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Jun 05, at 12:11, litling at hunter.cuny.edu wrote:
>
>> I noticed a few earlier posts expressing some concerns over the ease
>> with which sound files can be run on e-Prime.  The lab I work at is
>> considering purchasing e-Prime and have several studies that require
>> running sound files.  I just tried to set up a basic experiment on the
>> demo and have yet been able to do so successfully.  Is there a trick to
>> successfully running sound files?  Or have other users encountered
>> repeated difficulty doing so?
>>
>> Research Assistant
>> Language Acquisition Research Project
>> Department of Psychology
>> CUNY Hunter College
>> 695 Park Avenue
>> New York, NY 10021
>> www.hunter.cuny.edu/littlelinguist
>> (212)772-5557
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Jacob E. Anderson
> Psychophysiologist
> Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research
> University of Minnesota
> 460N   75 East River Road
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> 612-626-7790
>
> "I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see
> what's on my mind"  Dave Matthews
>



--------------
Sean O'Malley
Ohio University
Communication Network Services


From kevinpeters at trentu.ca  Wed Jun  8 18:21:44 2005
From: kevinpeters at trentu.ca (Kevin Peters)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:21:44 -0400
Subject: GSR and Eprime
Message-ID: <WED.8.JUN.2005.142144.0400.KEVINPETERS@TRENTU.CA>

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has recorded GSR to stimuli using Eprime? Any advice regarding which GSR device and how to use it with Eprime would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Peters, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
Trent University
1600 West Bank Drive
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
K9J 7B8

Phone: (705) 748-1011 x5395
Fax: (705) 748-1580


From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au  Wed Jun  8 21:54:57 2005
From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:54:57 +1000
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.075457.1000.PAULJ@PSY.UQ.EDU.AU>

We use an in house external button box which has 2 buttons and a mic input.
It plugs into the game/joystick port of the computer. As far as the computer
is concerned it looks like a 3 button joystick. The 2 buttons map to Button1
and Button 2 on the joystick and the mic input maps to Button3. The mic
input is basically a sound level threshold switch where if the mic input
reaches a certain (adjustable) level then the button triggers. The advantage
of using something like this is that it doesn't have the inherent delays
that the mouse and keyboard have. The change is visible to your experiment
almost instantaneously. What is the point of millisecond accurate timing if
your devices are much slower.

Paul
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Paul R. Jackson
 Experimental Programmer

 School of Psychology
 University of Queensland
 E:paulj at psy.uq.edu.au
 P:3365-6713
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Wed Jun  8 21:56:50 2005
From: deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (deia at bgumail.bgu.ac.il)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:56:50 +0300
Subject: eprime instalation with a USB plug
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.005650.0300.>

Hi all ,

I am have bought a new laptop and I am interested in installing the eprime the problem is that in my university the eprime package has a Parallel plug for installing eprime (key hardware)and my laptop has only USB conections the option of a converter is not working so I need a usb plug to do that and I can not return back the computer. does any body has any suggestions or a USB Plug that can work with my laptop. I contacted the eprime support and they suggested that I swap the old plug with a new usb plug but the problem is that the university is not interested to do that for only one student .
please if you have a usb plug or any suggestions please reply me

thanks alot ,

Deia Ganayim


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 10 09:24:37 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:37 +0200
Subject: button box
In-Reply-To: <42A71761.2040202@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.10.JUN.2005.112437.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Just a note on accurate response time measurements: DON?T use devices that
are connected by a USB port if millisecond accuracy is required. Although
USB ports support high data throughput rates, they have bad ?real time?
specs. That is: they cause the same kind of RT-jitter as keyboards do.

For accurate RT measurements you can use any input port that has the status
of lines mapped to one of the IO-registers. This method allows up to 5
buttons to be connected to a standard LPT port; up to 4 buttons on an old
style 15 pin Game ports; and up to 4 on a regular COM port. More info:
http://www.psy.vu.nl/download/menu/

For experiments that require many buttons, RT accuracy is probably not an
issue and you can go along with keyboards or USB enabled keyboard encoders.
Otherwise you might have to use digital IO cards that support many digital
input lines or other dedicated button hardware.


best,
paul

>From: peter cheng <pcheng at sfu.ca>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: button box
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:05:53 -0700
>
>Hi Folks:
>
>I've seen a lot of requests about how to interface button boxes, voice
>switch or external trigger to E-Prime, the simplest way to accomplish this
>is to use a keyboard encoder, it is an electronic device that simulates a
>keyboard presses, you connect the switch to the keyboard encoder and
>E-Prime thinks it's just a key press, any hardware device other than the
>response box from E-Prime requires some scripting to interface to E-Prime.
>The one I have used is from www.ultimar.com/ipac1.html, it has 28 inputs,
>connect to USB port and cost $39.
>
>Cheers!
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Direct antwoord op je vragen: gebruik MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/


From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Wed Jun 15 08:51:28 2005
From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:51:28 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions.
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.095128.0100.EDDIE@LING.ED.AC.UK>

I've two, hopefully minor queries.

The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to execute for a set
amount of time?  We have a hemispheric observation task which has been
scripted, but we need to have a distractor task interleaved which will take
the form of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all bits,
but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.

Second, in another script, I have another observation task, but the target
words have to be preceded by two priming words randomly selected from a list
of about 10 words.  There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I can't work out how
to associate the target words with a particular list of primes since the
primes will occur randomly.

I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.

Thanks in advance,

Eddie Dubourg


From eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Wed Jun 15 10:44:36 2005
From: eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Dubourg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:44:36 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
In-Reply-To: <200506150850.j5F8oTe02342@pisa.ling.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.114436.0100.EDDIE@LING.ED.AC.UK>

By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the first
question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
list.Reset

Well, that's the first egg on my face today......

E

U> -----Original Message-----
U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
U> To: 'E-Prime'
U> Subject: A couple of questions.
U>
U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
U>
U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
U>
U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
U>
U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
U>
U> Thanks in advance,
U>
U> Eddie Dubourg
U>
U>


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Wed Jun 15 11:56:17 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:56:17 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.135617.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Hi

Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to get a 
random order with certain restrictions?
I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that 
there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-files, 
but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.

Thanks
Robert D?rr


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 15 13:58:25 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:58:25 -0400
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.095825.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Hi Eddie,

Note that using List.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30) will
basically tell the list to not start another trial after 30 seconds.
However, it has no control over what happens once a trial has started,
i.e. the list will only check this condition at the beginning of a trial
and once started would not suddenly terminate a trial midway through if
the 30 seconds happened to expire at that point.

For many paradigms this is acceptable and you don't want the current
trial to terminate until complete, for others that need a more precise
termination you will probably have to insert script to periodically call
Clock.Read to get the millisecond time count and then abort the current
trial once a time limit is passed, e.g. in pseudo code...

Dim g_nEndTime As Long	' global variable to hold end time of current
timed sequence

...

' In an inline at the appropriate place in the experiment before the
sequence begins
g_nEndTime = Clock.Read + 30000 	' end time = current time + 30
seconds

...

' In an inline within the trial
If Clock.Read >= g_nEndTime Then

	' tells the list not to start another trial
	MyList.Terminate

	' log some indication in the data file that this trial was
incomplete
	c.SetAttrib "Status", "timeout"  
	c.Log					' log the current
(partial) trial

	Exit Sub		' Exit the current procedure immediately
End If


Note, the above script assumes that MyList is the List object that is
currently running and thus the Inline could only be used within
Procedures called from the MyList.   You can make this script more
generic and portable by determining at runtime the name of the currently
running list by examining the "Running" attribute which indicates the
name of the currently running list and then looking up the List object
and terminating it.

' In an inline within the trial
If Clock.Read >= g_nEndTime Then

	' Get a reference to the currently running list object
	Dim objList As FactorSpace        
	Set objList = GetFactorSpaceByName(c.GetAttrib("Running"))

	' tell the currently running list to terminate
    	objList.Terminate

	' log some indication in the data file that this trial was
incomplete
	c.SetAttrib "Status", "timeout"  
	c.Log					' log the current
(partial) trial

	Exit Sub		' Exit the current procedure immediately
End If

Hope that helps,
Tony

Anthony P. Zuccolotto
President and Chief Executive Officer
Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
2050 Ardmore Boulevard
Suite 200
Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
Phone     412-271-5040
FAX       412-271-7077
Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
Internet  http://www.pstnet.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf
> Of Eddie Dubourg
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:45 AM
> To: 'E-Prime'
> Subject: RE: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really
helps
> 
> By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the
first
> question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
> Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
> list.Reset
> 
> Well, that's the first egg on my face today......
> 
> E
> 
> U> -----Original Message-----
> U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
> U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
> U> To: 'E-Prime'
> U> Subject: A couple of questions.
> U>
> U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
> U>
> U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
> U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
> U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
> U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
> U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
> U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
> U>
> U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
> U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
> U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
> U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
> U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
> U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
> U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
> U>
> U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
> U>
> U> Thanks in advance,
> U>
> U> Eddie Dubourg
> U>
> U>
> 


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Wed Jun 15 15:03:58 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?UTF-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IETDtnJy?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:03:58 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB502182C10@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.170358.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers 
which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use 
this array to control the selection of the ListObject.



Katz, Lena B. wrote:

>Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
> 
>Hope this helps!
> 
>Lena
>
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert D?rr 
>	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM 
>	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
>	Cc: 
>	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
>	
>	
>
>	Hi
>	
>	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to get a
>	random order with certain restrictions?
>	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
>	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
>	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-files,
>	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
>	
>	Thanks
>	Robert D?rr
>	
>	
>
>  
>


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 15 15:41:48 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:41:48 -0400
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.114148.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Robert,

Check out the ExplicitOrder object and short example script in E-Basic Help.   This order can only be setup from script so that option is not currently present as an option in the graphical interface.   

In short, if you can define and write the algorithm in E-Prime script to decide the order of the levels/rows that you want, then you can reassign the List.Order property to use ExplicitOrder and then when the list runs it will do so in the explicit order that you have defined.

Here's the pseudo code

'set the explicit sampling order to: level/row 2, level/row 1, level/row 3
Dim strMyOrder As String

strMyOrder = "2 1 3"

Set List1.Order = ExplicitOrder( strMyOrder )
List1.Reset


Another possible approach is to first define a list in the experiment (it can just live in the Unreferenced branch of the tree) with all the exemplars you need and then use calls to List.GetAttrib( level, attribute ) to read the data off of that list and write out a tab delimited file in the order you want to use.   Then you have another list that you actual run which is setup to load itself from the file that you have written out.   This is particularly useful when you have a paradigm in which you want to perhaps change the stimulus presentation set or order of later blocks based on some subject specific performance criteria computed during earlier blocks.   

In general I'd say the former approach is less work overall.

Hope that gives you some ideas.

Cheers,
Tony

Anthony P. Zuccolotto
President and Chief Executive Officer
Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
2050 Ardmore Boulevard
Suite 200
Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
Phone     412-271-5040
FAX       412-271-7077
Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
Internet  http://www.pstnet.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert D?rr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: Re: Pseudo-Random Lists
> 
> Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers
> which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use
> this array to control the selection of the ListObject.
> 
> 
> 
> Katz, Lena B. wrote:
> 
> >Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check
> whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves
> removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to
> choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
> >
> >Hope this helps!
> >
> >Lena
> >
> >	-----Original Message-----
> >	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert D?rr
> >	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM
> >	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> >	Cc:
> >	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
> >
> >
> >
> >	Hi
> >
> >	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to
> get a
> >	random order with certain restrictions?
> >	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
> >	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
> >	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-
> files,
> >	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
> >
> >	Thanks
> >	Robert D?rr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 15 20:20:31 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:20:31 -0700
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
In-Reply-To: <200506151043.j5FAhae09596@pisa.ling.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.15.JUN.2005.132031.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

Mr. Dubourg, I am really glad you asked this question because I'm about
to embark on a similar task.

Leisha Wharfield
Decision Research
Eugene, Oregon, USA

Eddie Dubourg wrote:

>By actually looking seriously at the help files, I've answered the first
>question - it's directly answered in the help files and uses :-
>Set list.TerminateCondition = TimedSeconds(30)
>list.Reset
>
>Well, that's the first egg on my face today......
>
>E
>
>U> -----Original Message-----
>U> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>U> [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Eddie Dubourg
>U> Sent: 15 June 2005 09:51
>U> To: 'E-Prime'
>U> Subject: A couple of questions.
>U>
>U> I've two, hopefully minor queries.
>U>
>U> The first - is there a method to allow a procedure to
>U> execute for a set amount of time?  We have a hemispheric
>U> observation task which has been scripted, but we need to
>U> have a distractor task interleaved which will take the form
>U> of 30 seconds of simple maths problems - I've sorted out all
>U> bits, but can't work out how to restrict it to 30 seconds.
>U>
>U> Second, in another script, I have another observation task,
>U> but the target words have to be preceded by two priming
>U> words randomly selected from a list of about 10 words.
>U> There will be 20 target words, so I have 20 lists of 10
>U> words, and the lists will occur in a random order, and I
>U> can't work out how to associate the target words with a
>U> particular list of primes since the primes will occur randomly.
>U>
>U> I hope these confused witterings make some form of sense.
>U>
>U> Thanks in advance,
>U>
>U> Eddie Dubourg
>U>
>U>
>
>
>
>
>


From uni at robertdoerr.de  Thu Jun 16 05:59:49 2005
From: uni at robertdoerr.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_D=F6rr?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:59:49 +0200
Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA5088152F58@exchange01.pst.local>
Message-ID: <THU.16.JUN.2005.075949.0200.UNI@ROBERTDOERR.DE>

Hi,

That's exactly what I need. I'll try this afternoon...

Thanks a lot
Robert



Tony Zuccolotto wrote:

>Robert,
>
>Check out the ExplicitOrder object and short example script in E-Basic Help.   This order can only be setup from script so that option is not currently present as an option in the graphical interface.   
>
>In short, if you can define and write the algorithm in E-Prime script to decide the order of the levels/rows that you want, then you can reassign the List.Order property to use ExplicitOrder and then when the list runs it will do so in the explicit order that you have defined.
>
>Here's the pseudo code
>
>'set the explicit sampling order to: level/row 2, level/row 1, level/row 3
>Dim strMyOrder As String
>
>strMyOrder = "2 1 3"
>
>Set List1.Order = ExplicitOrder( strMyOrder )
>List1.Reset
>
>
>Another possible approach is to first define a list in the experiment (it can just live in the Unreferenced branch of the tree) with all the exemplars you need and then use calls to List.GetAttrib( level, attribute ) to read the data off of that list and write out a tab delimited file in the order you want to use.   Then you have another list that you actual run which is setup to load itself from the file that you have written out.   This is particularly useful when you have a paradigm in which you want to perhaps change the stimulus presentation set or order of later blocks based on some subject specific performance criteria computed during earlier blocks.   
>
>In general I'd say the former approach is less work overall.
>
>Hope that gives you some ideas.
>
>Cheers,
>Tony
>
>Anthony P. Zuccolotto
>President and Chief Executive Officer
>Psychology Software Tools, Inc.
>2050 Ardmore Boulevard
>Suite 200
>Pittsburgh, PA 15221-4610
>Phone     412-271-5040
>FAX       412-271-7077
>Email     anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com
>Internet  http://www.pstnet.com
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
>>Of Robert D?rr
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:04 AM
>>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>Subject: Re: Pseudo-Random Lists
>>
>>Thats exactly the point. Generating an pseudo-random array of integers
>>which satisfies my conditions is no problem. But so far, I can't use
>>this array to control the selection of the ListObject.
>>
>>
>>
>>Katz, Lena B. wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Just script it, using random number generation(RAND, i think?), and check
>>>      
>>>
>>whether your restrictions require a "redraw"... I think this involves
>>removing the list object completely, as I'm not seeing any quick way to
>>choose which level you draw using the ListObject itself.
>>    
>>
>>>Hope this helps!
>>>
>>>Lena
>>>
>>>	-----Original Message-----
>>>	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Robert D?rr
>>>	Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 7:56 AM
>>>	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>>	Cc:
>>>	Subject: Pseudo-Random Lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>	Hi
>>>
>>>	Is there any way to influence the random list order on run time to
>>>      
>>>
>>get a
>>    
>>
>>>	random order with certain restrictions?
>>>	I. e., if I have "red" and "green" trials and I want to ensure, that
>>>	there is no sequence of more than three "red" trials.
>>>	So far I am using some external programming stuff to create text-
>>>      
>>>
>>files,
>>    
>>
>>>	but it would be better to do this in E-Basic on run time.
>>>
>>>	Thanks
>>>	Robert D?rr
>>>


From noland.white at gcsu.edu  Sun Jun 19 02:47:46 2005
From: noland.white at gcsu.edu (Noland White)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:47:46 -0400
Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
Message-ID: <SAT.18.JUN.2005.224746.0400.NOLAND.WHITE@GCSU.EDU>

I am considering adopting E-Prime for ERP research as my current EEG system
is limited in the paradigms that I can employ.  I understand that E-Prime
can be used to send triggers to the acquisition device via the parallel port
but would appreciate any pointers to references or technical material for 1)
fabricating the necessary cable(s) and 2) creation of auditory P3a and P3b
paradigms in E-Prime.



Sincerely,



Noland White





-----------------------------------

J. Noland White, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Georgia College & State University

Milledgeville, GA 31061



478-445-5946 (voice)

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From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 07:23:01 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:23:01 +0200
Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
In-Reply-To: <20050619025054.BKOQ749.lakermmtao06.cox.net@personaleyi7oe>
Message-ID: <TUE.21.JUN.2005.092301.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Dear Nolan,

The wiring of the parallel port cable depends on the input pinning of the
EEG equipment. A single printer port can be used to send up to 8 digital
signals by using a single WritePort call. Detailed info on printer port
connections can be found at http://www.lvr.com/jansfaq.htm

best,
paul


>From: "Noland White" <noland.white at gcsu.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: E-Prime and ERP research
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:47:46 -0400
>
>I am considering adopting E-Prime for ERP research as my current EEG system
>is limited in the paradigms that I can employ.  I understand that E-Prime
>can be used to send triggers to the acquisition device via the parallel
>port
>but would appreciate any pointers to references or technical material for
>1)
>fabricating the necessary cable(s) and 2) creation of auditory P3a and P3b
>paradigms in E-Prime.
>
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
>Noland White
>
>
>
>
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>J. Noland White, Ph.D.
>
>Department of Psychology
>
>Georgia College & State University
>
>Milledgeville, GA 31061
>
>
>
>478-445-5946 (voice)
>
>478-445-0856 (fax)
>
>
>
>  <mailto:noland.white at gcsu.edu> noland.white at gcsu.edu
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
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From rcelind at okstate.edu  Thu Jun 23 15:40:41 2005
From: rcelind at okstate.edu (Celinda M Reese)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:40:41 -0500
Subject: A couple of questions -reading the instructions really helps
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.104041.0500.RCELIND@OKSTATE.EDU>

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From Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca  Thu Jun 23 19:03:02 2005
From: Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca (Mike Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:03:02 -0300
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.160302.0300.MIKE.LAWRENCE@DAL.CA>

Hi there,

I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a researcher who uses
Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course I cannot read the edat format files.
Is there a tool somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
simple txt files?

I know Eprime has an internal conversion tool, but again, I don't have access to
this because I don't have Eprime. What's more, I've already bugged the
researcher who sent me the data enough, so I'm reluctant to ask him to convert
the files for me.

So I'm looking for a free, standalone, batch conversion tool and I'd be very
appreciative if anyone can point me in the right direction.

Cheers,

Mike Lawrence

--

Mike Lawrence
Research Assistant to Dr. Gail Eskes
Dalhousie University & QEII Health Sciences Centre (Psychiatry)

Mike.Lawrence at Dal.Ca

"The road to Wisdom? Well, it's plain and simple to express:
Err and err and err again, but less and less and less."
- Piet Hein


From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 23 20:32:04 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:32:04 -0400
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.163204.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

>Hi there,
>
>I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a
>researcher who uses Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course
>I cannot read the edat format files.  Is there a tool
>somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
>simple txt files?

I'm still quite the amateur with E-Prime, but our experiments
export a flat .TXT file in addition to the .EDAT file.  I
don't know if this is a setting that is standard, but if it
is, perhaps your colleague could send those instead?

--
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From dhair at wfubmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 20:38:50 2005
From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:38:50 -0400
Subject: Edat to txt conversion?
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.163850.0400.DHAIR@WFUBMC.EDU>

Unfortunately the .txt files created are an "archive" of that same .eDat
file that is created on-line during the experiment... this is done so
that you can recover the data in event of early termination. It is a
somewhat funky file format, and difficult to make sense of - you have to
use the E-prime Data recovery tool to convert them in E-Data files. Ugh.


W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy
 
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:32 PM
To: Mike Lawrence; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Edat to txt conversion?

>Hi there,
>
>I just recieved a large data set (288 files) from a
>researcher who uses Eprime. I don't have eprime so of course
>I cannot read the edat format files.  Is there a tool
>somewhere that allows for batch conversion of edat files to
>simple txt files?

I'm still quite the amateur with E-Prime, but our experiments 
export a flat .TXT file in addition to the .EDAT file.  I 
don't know if this is a setting that is standard, but if it 
is, perhaps your colleague could send those instead?

-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:09:36 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:09:36 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.170936.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid before going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming issues and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are irrelevant.  Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this post, I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
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From dhair at wfubmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:19:59 2005
From: dhair at wfubmc.edu (David Hairston)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:19:59 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.171959.0400.DHAIR@WFUBMC.EDU>

As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS for 90% of
my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between E-Data Aid and
SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
there directly.
So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all the things
you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. This also
gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
SPSS from there.

I, too, am curious to see what other folks do... 

Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
data in E-data-Aid, sorry.

Dave

W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy
 
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: processing eprime data

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
before going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
issues and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from
edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data
values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
irrelevant.  Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
post, I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz  Thu Jun 23 21:28:58 2005
From: Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:28:58 +1200
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.092858.1200.PAUL.WARREN@VUW.AC.NZ>

I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his macros available?

Paul

Dr Paul Warren 
School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies 
Victoria University of Wellington 
New Zealand 

tel +64 4 463 5631/5600 
fax +64 4 463 5604 



| -----Original Message-----
| From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
| Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
| To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
| Subject: RE: processing eprime data
| 
| 
| As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS 
| for 90% of
| my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between 
| E-Data Aid and
| SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
| eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
| there directly.
| So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
| then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
| through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
| mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
| in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all 
| the things
| you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. 
| This also
| gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
| Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
| SPSS from there.
| 
| I, too, am curious to see what other folks do... 
| 
| Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
| data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
| 
| Dave
| 
| W. David Hairston
| Neurobiology and Anatomy
|  
| Wake Forest University School of Medicine
| Winston-Salem, NC 27157
| (336) 716-4481 (lab)
| http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
| Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
| Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
| To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
| Subject: processing eprime data
| 
| Dear List,
| 
| I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
| before going
| to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
| issues and
| I'm wondering how people are processing their data, 
| post-collection from
| edata
| aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
| 
| Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are 
| many null data
| values.
|  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
| 
| Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
| irrelevant.  Is
| their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
| variables?
| 
| Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
| post, I
| will compile the feedback for the list.
| 
| best wishes,
| 
| Mike Crowley
| 
| 
| 
| Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
| Yale Child Study Center
| 230 South Frontage Rd.
| New Haven, CT 06520
| 
| 
| 
| Please be aware that email communication can be
| intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
| consider communicating any sensitive information
| by telephone, fax or mail. The information
| contained in this message may be privileged and
| confidential. If you are NOT the intended
| recipient, please notify the sender immediately
| with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
| this message.
| 
| 
| 


From katzlb at upmc.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:35:11 2005
From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:35:11 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.173511.0400.KATZLB@UPMC.EDU>

I haven't actually started collecting data yet (sorry for all the code questions!).  But I'd love to see the source code for Dave's macros... we're probably not all going to want to strip out the same data, but having a good example would be nice.
 
Lena

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Paul Warren 
	Sent: Thu 6/23/2005 5:28 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: processing eprime data
	
	

	I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his macros available?
	
	Paul
	
	Dr Paul Warren
	School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
	Victoria University of Wellington
	New Zealand
	
	tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
	fax +64 4 463 5604
	
	
	
	| -----Original Message-----
	| From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
	| Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
	| To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
	| Subject: RE: processing eprime data
	|
	|
	| As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
	| for 90% of
	| my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
	| E-Data Aid and
	| SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
	| eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
	| there directly.
	| So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
	| then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
	| through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
	| mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
	| in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
	| the things
	| you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
	| This also
	| gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
	| Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
	| SPSS from there.
	|
	| I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
	|
	| Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
	| data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
	|
	| Dave
	|
	| W. David Hairston
	| Neurobiology and Anatomy
	| 
	| Wake Forest University School of Medicine
	| Winston-Salem, NC 27157
	| (336) 716-4481 (lab)
	| http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
	|
	| -----Original Message-----
	| From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
	| Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
	| Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
	| To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
	| Subject: processing eprime data
	|
	| Dear List,
	|
	| I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
	| before going
	| to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
	| issues and
	| I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
	| post-collection from
	| edata
	| aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
	|
	| Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
	| many null data
	| values.
	|  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
	|
	| Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
	| irrelevant.  Is
	| their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
	| variables?
	|
	| Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this
	| post, I
	| will compile the feedback for the list.
	|
	| best wishes,
	|
	| Mike Crowley
	|
	|
	|
	| Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
	| Yale Child Study Center
	| 230 South Frontage Rd.
	| New Haven, CT 06520
	|
	|
	|
	| Please be aware that email communication can be
	| intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
	| consider communicating any sensitive information
	| by telephone, fax or mail. The information
	| contained in this message may be privileged and
	| confidential. If you are NOT the intended
	| recipient, please notify the sender immediately
	| with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
	| this message.
	|
	|
	|
	
	


From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Thu Jun 23 21:44:25 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:25 -0400
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.174425.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
dialog.   

Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
them back in.   

If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
Export... option to send the data elsewhere.

If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
added in.

...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
of adding and deleting using Excel.   

-Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf
> Of Paul Warren
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> 
> I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
stats
> either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
haven't
> come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
Dave
> could make his macros available?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Dr Paul Warren
> School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> Victoria University of Wellington
> New Zealand
> 
> tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
> fax +64 4 463 5604
> 
> 
> 
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
> | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
> | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> |
> |
> | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
> | for 90% of
> | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
> | E-Data Aid and
> | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
> | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
> | there directly.
> | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
> | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
go
> | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
you
> | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
this
> | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
> | the things
> | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
> | This also
> | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
> | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
into
> | SPSS from there.
> |
> | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
> |
> | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
NULL
> | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
> |
> | Dave
> |
> | W. David Hairston
> | Neurobiology and Anatomy
> |
> | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
> | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
> | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
> | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
> | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
> | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> | Subject: processing eprime data
> |
> | Dear List,
> |
> | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
> | before going
> | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
> | issues and
> | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
> | post-collection from
> | edata
> | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
> |
> | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
> | many null data
> | values.
> |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
> |
> | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
> | irrelevant.  Is
> | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
> | variables?
> |
> | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
this
> | post, I
> | will compile the feedback for the list.
> |
> | best wishes,
> |
> | Mike Crowley
> |
> |
> |
> | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
> | Yale Child Study Center
> | 230 South Frontage Rd.
> | New Haven, CT 06520
> |
> |
> |
> | Please be aware that email communication can be
> | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
> | consider communicating any sensitive information
> | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
> | contained in this message may be privileged and
> | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
> | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
> | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
> | this message.
> |
> |
> |


From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:52:54 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:54 -0500
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <1119560976.42bb2510d5469@webmail.med.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.23.JUN.2005.165254.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

I, too, use Excel and SPSS for analyzing my data, but I prep it using
DataAid first.  You can use the Filter function to remove any NULL values
from a specific column by setting the range not equal to NULL.  Note,
however, that this will exclude all data in that trial from analysis.  I
also use the analyze function in DataAid to run the analyses I need
(strictly reaction and movement time means in my case), then export the
results to Excel, then import that file to SPSS (after making it
SPSS-friendly, as Dave mentioned).  Hope this helps!

Kristie

Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
University of West Florida
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
11000 University Parkway
Building 78, Room 140
Pensacola, FL 32514
(850) 474-3321
kwillhoit at uwf.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
Of Michael J. Crowley
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:10 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: processing eprime data

Dear List,

I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid before
going
to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming issues
and
I'm wondering how people are processing their data, post-collection from
edata
aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.

Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are many null data
values.
 Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?

Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are irrelevant.
Is
their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
variables?

Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to this post,
I
will compile the feedback for the list.

best wishes,

Mike Crowley



Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de  Fri Jun 24 00:24:56 2005
From: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de (Georg Odenthal)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:24:56 +0200
Subject: processing eprime data
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.022456.0200.ODENTHAL@SOZ.PSYCHOLOGIE.UNIKONSTANZ.DE>

Hi,

to be honest I usually never use the data files E-Prime creates
automatically. Since I work a lot with E-Basic to create special
questionnaires like open ended text input, text fields or variable
scales or animation I usually open a new textfile for writing and
then create an E-Basic code that puts all the data I need into this
file after each trial. I sometimes go back to the edat files to
double-check a timing issue or whether the response keys were coded
correctly, but most of the time I don't care much about the edat files.

A lot of the data I collect in my studies are variables that are
defined temporarily in an E-Basic code object. To get E-Prime to put
these variable out to the .edat file you need to add the attribute to
the current object and then update the value of the attribute every
time something in E-Basic or a response has changed this value. This
can be quite tedious.

Since I often write programs for other people the creation of an own
datafile is necessary. The people I write the programs for like it if
they can just open SPSS and then import a text file with one row for
each subject and X columns for the variables or the response data.
It's also more convenient for me, because then I don't have to
convert the edat files into something the researcher finds more useful.

Bye,
  Georg


==========================================

Georg Odenthal, Dipl.-Psych.
Social Psychology and Motivation
Box D39
University of Konstanz
78457 Konstanz, Germany

Phone #: +49 7531 88-2872
Fax #: +49 7531 88-3286
Email: odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de
URL: http://www.socpsych.uni-konstanz.de

==========================================


From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Fri Jun 24 15:10:15 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:10:15 -0500
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA508815388A@exchange01.pst.loca l>
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.101015.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do.
Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we
want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my
behavioral stats file (excel as well).

Jordan



At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>dialog.
>
>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>them back in.
>
>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>
>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>added in.
>
>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>
>-Tony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>Behalf
> > Of Paul Warren
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> >
> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>stats
> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>haven't
> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>Dave
> > could make his macros available?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Dr Paul Warren
> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > New Zealand
> >
> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
> > fax +64 4 463 5604
> >
> >
> >
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
> > |
> > |
> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
> > | for 90% of
> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
> > | E-Data Aid and
> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
> > | there directly.
> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>go
> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>you
> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>this
> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
> > | the things
> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
> > | This also
> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>into
> > | SPSS from there.
> > |
> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
> > |
> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>NULL
> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
> > |
> > | Dave
> > |
> > | W. David Hairston
> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
> > |
> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
> > |
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> > | Subject: processing eprime data
> > |
> > | Dear List,
> > |
> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
> > | before going
> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
> > | issues and
> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
> > | post-collection from
> > | edata
> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
> > |
> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
> > | many null data
> > | values.
> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
> > |
> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
> > | irrelevant.  Is
> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
> > | variables?
> > |
> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>this
> > | post, I
> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
> > |
> > | best wishes,
> > |
> > | Mike Crowley
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
> > | Yale Child Study Center
> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
> > | New Haven, CT 06520
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
> > | this message.
> > |
> > |
> > |

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
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Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Fri Jun 24 18:53:09 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:53:09 -0700
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050624095849.01276db0@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.24.JUN.2005.115309.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
takes it from there.

Leisha

Jordan Bigio wrote:

> I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I 
> do. Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for 
> stats we want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back 
> into my behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>
> Jordan
>
>
>
> At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>
>> If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>> little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>> dialog.
>>
>> Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>> remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>> variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>> them back in.
>>
>> If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>> arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>> Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>
>> If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>> reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>> and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>> added in.
>>
>> ...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>> of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of Paul Warren
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>> >
>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>> stats
>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>> haven't
>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>> Dave
>> > could make his macros available?
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Dr Paul Warren
>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>> > New Zealand
>> >
>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > | -----Original Message-----
>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>> > | for 90% of
>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>> > | E-Data Aid and
>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>> > | there directly.
>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>> go
>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>> you
>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>> this
>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>> > | the things
>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>> > | This also
>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>> into
>> > | SPSS from there.
>> > |
>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>> > |
>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>> NULL
>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>> > |
>> > | Dave
>> > |
>> > | W. David Hairston
>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>> > |
>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>> > |
>> > | -----Original Message-----
>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>> > |
>> > | Dear List,
>> > |
>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>> > | before going
>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>> > | issues and
>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>> > | post-collection from
>> > | edata
>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>> > |
>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>> > | many null data
>> > | values.
>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>> > |
>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>> > | variables?
>> > |
>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>> this
>> > | post, I
>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>> > |
>> > | best wishes,
>> > |
>> > | Mike Crowley
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>> > | this message.
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>
>
> Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
> Project Coordinator
> Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
> Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
> Northwestern University
> 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
> Evanston, IL 60208
> Phone: 847-491-3647
>
>
>


From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Mon Jun 27 14:37:50 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
Subject: suspend/resume function
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.093750.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
 
Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
University of West Florida
kwillhoit at uwf.edu

From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Mon Jun 27 19:09:11 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:11 -0400
Subject: compiled responses for processing data in eprime
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.150911.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear list,

Thank you all for your thorough responses.  What follows is a compilation of the
various methods each of you suggested for analyzing raw data from E-Prime. 
We?ve appended the responses from all those who contributed to this query. 
Tony Zuccolotto?s response addresses the main points for typical data handling
(merge, exclude/filter unnecessary variables, reuse preferred column
arrangement as data files are added), but the many users offered specific
solutions and extensions that may be of interest to the list.  I?ve appended
each of these below.

Thanks to you all for your thorough responses.

Mike Crowley

Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520


From Kristie Willhoit:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:54 -0500
From:  Kristie Willhoit <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I, too, use Excel and SPSS for analyzing my data, but I prep it using
DataAid first.  You can use the Filter function to remove any NULL values
from a specific column by setting the range not equal to NULL.  Note,
however, that this will exclude all data in that trial from analysis.  I
also use the analyze function in DataAid to run the analyses I need
(strictly reaction and movement time means in my case), then export the
results to Excel, then import that file to SPSS (after making it
SPSS-friendly, as Dave mentioned).  Hope this helps!

Kristie

Kristie Willhoit
Research Associate
University of West Florida
Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science


From Leisha Wharfield:

Date:  Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:53:09 -0700
From:  Leisha Wharfield <leisha at decisionresearch.org>
Cc:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS &
takes it from there.

Leisha


From Jordan Bigio:

From:  Jordan Bigio <j-bigio at northwestern.edu>
To:  Tony Zuccolotto <anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com>, Paul Warren
<Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do.
Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we
want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my
behavioral stats file (excel as well).

Jordan

From Georg Odenthal:

From:  Georg Odenthal <odenthal at soz.psychologie.uni-konstanz.de>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

To be honest I usually never use the data files E-Prime creates
automatically. Since I work a lot with E-Basic to create special
questionnaires like open ended text input, text fields or variable
scales or animation I usually open a new textfile for writing and
then create an E-Basic code that puts all the data I need into this
file after each trial. I sometimes go back to the edat files to
double-check a timing issue or whether the response keys were coded
correctly, but most of the time I don't care much about the edat files.

A lot of the data I collect in my studies are variables that are
defined temporarily in an E-Basic code object. To get E-Prime to put
these variable out to the .edat file you need to add the attribute to
the current object and then update the value of the attribute every
time something in E-Basic or a response has changed this value. This
can be quite tedious.

Since I often write programs for other people the creation of an own
datafile is necessary. The people I write the programs for like it if
they can just open SPSS and then import a text file with one row for
each subject and X columns for the variables or the response data.
It's also more convenient for me, because then I don't have to
convert the edat files into something the researcher finds more useful.

Georg

Georg Odenthal, Dipl.-Psych.
Social Psychology and Motivation
Box D39
University of Konstanz
78457 Konstanz, Germany


From Tony Zuccolotto:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:25 -0400
From:  Tony Zuccolotto <anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com>
To:  Paul Warren <Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
dialog.

Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
them back in.

If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
Export... option to send the data elsewhere.

If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
added in.

..not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
of adding and deleting using Excel.

Tony


From Stephani Foraker:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:42:43 -0500
From:  Stephani Foraker <sforaker at uchicago.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

I like to use data aid to pull out only my experimental items and the
columns of interest from the merged file - use the 'hide columns' feature
and filter feature to show only the info you want. I often use a condition
tag in the eprime program that runs the experiment, log that, and can do a
checklist for filtering on just the conditions that I want to look at. Then
I usually export that as a text, tab-delimited file which can be imported
to excel or spss easily. I usually do some preprocessing in excel, whose
pivot table function is fabulous for looking at various properties of the
data, and if working with reaction time type measures I can sort based on
min or max times, etc. The pivot tables also provide an excellent way to
produce just the cell means in just the configuration that you want for any
spss or other statistical package analyses - select, copy and paste into
the data anlaysis spreadsheet. And lastly, excel's table formatting is much
more flexible than spss's if that's what you use, so I like having my data
and means available in excel, too.

Stephani.


From Lena Katz:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:35:11 -0400
From:  "Katz, Lena B." <katzlb at upmc.edu>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I haven't actually started collecting data yet (sorry for all the code
questions!).  But I'd love to see the source code for Dave's macros... we're
probably not all going to want to strip out the same data, but having a good
example would be nice.

Lena


From Paul Warren:

Date:  Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:28:58 +1200
From:  Paul Warren <Paul.Warren at vuw.ac.nz>
To:  eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then stats either
in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I haven't come to grips
with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe Dave could make his
macros available?

Paul

Dr Paul Warren
School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
Victoria University of Wellington
New Zealand

tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
fax +64 4 463 5604


From Mark Casteel:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:23:31 -0400
From:  "Mark A. Casteel" <mac13 at psu.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>
Subject:  Re: processing eprime data

One easy way to accomplish this is to use the Filter available
from the tools menu in E-DataAid. You can select as many filters as you
like. For each, hit the checklist button, and then simply check all of
those conditions which are applicable. You can then export your data to
SPSS or an EXCEL spreadsheet, and it will be limited to only those values
that are selected via the filter.

Mark


From David Hairston:

Date:  Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:19:59 -0400
From:  David Hairston <dhair at wfubmc.edu>
To:  "Michael J. Crowley" <michael.crowley at yale.edu>, eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject:  RE: processing eprime data

As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS for 90% of
my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between E-Data Aid and
SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
there directly.

So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and go
through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what you
mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing this
in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all the things
you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks. This also
gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import into
SPSS from there.

I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...

Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/ NULL
data in E-data-Aid, sorry.

Dave

W. David Hairston
Neurobiology and Anatomy

Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
(336) 716-4481 (lab)
http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/






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From skinzb at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 19:15:14 2005
From: skinzb at yahoo.com (Sarah Kinzbrunner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:15:14 -0700
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
In-Reply-To: <57201.86256@mail.talkbank.org>
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.121514.0700.SKINZB@YAHOO.COM>


Hello,

I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this forum has been very helpful.

I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response, either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down with each correct/incorrect response)?

Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Sarah


		
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From Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk  Mon Jun 27 19:15:59 2005
From: Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk (Eddie at ling.ed.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:15:59 +0100
Subject: I'm not here.....
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.201559.0100.>

I'll be back soon.

Eddie


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 19:22:40 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:22:40 +0200
Subject: suspend/resume function
In-Reply-To: <9019F9EBA84C2A4A915190CF588889165600C5@FSEVS2.argo.uwf.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.27.JUN.2005.212240.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

hi kristie,

I'm not familiar with the example you mentioned, but you will have to copy 
the user script part into the 'user' tab of the script window (use Alt-5 or 
Menu->View->Script.) Don't copy it in an inline script!!!

best,
paul

>From: "Kristie Willhoit" <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: suspend/resume function
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
>
>Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program 
>will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I 
>have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my 
>program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown 
>function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it 
>states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the 
>portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received 
>the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any 
>suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>Kristie Willhoit
>Research Associate
>Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
>University of West Florida
>kwillhoit at uwf.edu


From KKim at iona.edu  Wed Jun 29 01:30:16 2005
From: KKim at iona.edu (Kim, Kisok)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:30:16 -0400
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
Message-ID: <TUE.28.JUN.2005.213016.0400.KKIM@IONA.EDU>

That is a good idea.
I also wish we had a student version of e-prime.
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
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Department of Psychology Iona College 
715 North Avenue New Rochelle, NY 10801-1890 
Phone: 914 633 2232 Fax: 225-208-3795
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Sarah Kinzbrunner 
	Sent: Mon 6/27/2005 3:15 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
	
	

		Hello,

		I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this forum has been very helpful.

		I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response, either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down with each correct/incorrect response)?

		Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

		Thank you.

		Sincerely,

		Sarah

	
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From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 02:06:05 2005
From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <57201.86256@mail.talkbank.org>
Message-ID: <TUE.28.JUN.2005.190605.0700.BRANDONCERNICKY@YAHOO.COM>

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

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From anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 29 13:22:21 2005
From: anthony.zuccolotto at pstnet.com (Tony Zuccolotto)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:22:21 -0400
Subject: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.092221.0400.ANTHONY.ZUCCOLOTTO@PSTNET.COM>

Sarah,

 

If you change the BackStyle property on *all* the tabs of your feedback
object (and *all* the text boxes on each tab) to Transparent then
whatever the display output the Feedback generates should just be
displayed over top of whatever happens to remain on the screen (i.e. the
stimulus you presented).

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Tony

 

________________________________

From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Kinzbrunner
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:15 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Eprime Digest - 06/26/05

 

	Hello,

	I have been teaching myself Eprime this past month and this
forum has been very helpful.

	I am wondering, is there a way to display the cumulative number
of correct and incorrect responses as feedback after each response,
either in text or pictorally (for example, a bar that moves up and down
with each correct/incorrect response)?

	Additionally, how do I make the most recently responded to
stimulus object remain on the screen when feedback is given?

	Thank you.

	Sincerely,

	Sarah

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From BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu  Wed Jun 29 13:52:26 2005
From: BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu (Ben Robinson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:26 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.095226.0400.BROBINSO@MPRC.UMARYLAND.EDU>

it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and understood.
 
ben robinson
research asst.
 
 


>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Senior Software Engineer
Psychology Software Tools


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From fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu  Wed Jun 29 14:43:19 2005
From: fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu (David Fencsik)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:43:19 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.104319.0400.FENCSIK@SEARCH.BWH.HARVARD.EDU>

You can generally use E-Recovery to convert the text file into an 
E-DataAid file.  I think the text data file produced by E-Run is 
intended for backup purposes, so it records data as soon as it becomes 
available, not in a nice, easy-to-read format.

Maybe it would be helpful if E-Run converted the .txt file into a 
separate tab-delimited text file instead of (or in addition to) 
generating a .edat file--this could be set by a preference in E-Studio. 
  It would certainly save time for those who have been posting comments 
on this topic so far.

David

--
David Fencsik, Ph.D.
Research Fellow

Visual Attention Laboratory
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Boston, MA  02115

Email: fencsik at search.bwh.harvard.edu
Web: http://search.bwh.harvard.edu/

On Jun 29, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Ben Robinson wrote:

> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
> opened in excel and understood.
>
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>
>
>
>
>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>
> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
> of the design and implementation features and did not
> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
> and E-DataAid.
>
> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
> E-DataAid.
>
> Improvements to export in general?
> Improvements to export to Excel?
> Improvements to export to SPSS?
> Improvements to export to XML?
>
> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
> packages would be reduced?
>
>
> -Brandon
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Brandon S. Cernicky
> Senior Software Engineer
> Psychology Software Tools


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun 29 15:21:08 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:21:08 -0500
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.102108.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

I was assured that data file export to StatView and SPSS would be
continued when I asked about this with PST. I am hoping that that will
indeed be the case.

Sudevan


P Sudevan
Professor of Psychology
Chair, Faculty Senate
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Brandon Cernicky
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:06 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features

The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brandon S. Cernicky
Senior Software Engineer
Psychology Software Tools


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From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 29 15:22:18 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:22:18 -0500
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.102218.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to quit an 
experiment, a usable edat file would be great.

Jordan

At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved 
>dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat 
>file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of 
>what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and 
>understood.
>
>ben robinson
>research asst.
>
>
>
>
> >>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
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From amy.eschman at pstnet.com  Wed Jun 29 15:53:04 2005
From: amy.eschman at pstnet.com (Amy Eschman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:53:04 -0400
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115304.0400.AMY.ESCHMAN@PSTNET.COM>

The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as possible
when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format (an error
occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want the ability to
end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of InLine script
called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to terminate an experiment
after a trial or block without losing the data file.  The graceful abort
script checks the value of GetUserBreakState to see if a special key
sequence has been pressed.  A description of the graceful abort can be
found in Section 2.8.2 of the E-Prime User's Guide.

 

Amy Eschman

Psychology Software Tools

 

 

________________________________

From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features

 

I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to quit
an experiment, a usable edat file would be great. 

Jordan

At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:



it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be
improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat
file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording
of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel
and understood.
 
ben robinson
research asst.
 
 


>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
of the design and implementation features and did not
focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
and E-DataAid.

Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
E-DataAid.

Improvements to export in general?
Improvements to export to Excel?
Improvements to export to SPSS?
Improvements to export to XML?

PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
stats wheel and understand there are many stats
packages available and exporting to them is intended. 
Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
packages would be reduced?


-Brandon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brandon S. Cernicky
Senior Software Engineer
Psychology Software Tools


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From shulman.1 at osu.edu  Wed Jun 29 17:46:14 2005
From: shulman.1 at osu.edu (Harvey Shulman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:46:14 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.134614.0400.SHULMAN.1@OSU.EDU>

I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there 
on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for 
getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases 
etc. needed.   Thanks.

-------
Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
Department of Psychology
The Ohio State University
201 Lazenby Hall
Columbus, OH 43210
ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984


From cam47 at psu.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:03:27 2005
From: cam47 at psu.edu (Carol Anne Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:03:27 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.140327.0400.CAM47@PSU.EDU>

I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could be 
called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that I 
can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something based 
on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be aimed at 
such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's hard to 
explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book that helped 
me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Carol Miller, Ph.D.
Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
Penn State University
115-B Moore Building
(814) 865-6213
cam47 at psu.edu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:

>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to narrow 
>them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>needed.   Thanks.
>
>-------
>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>Department of Psychology
>The Ohio State University
>201 Lazenby Hall
>Columbus, OH 43210
>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>


From j-bigio at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:13:54 2005
From: j-bigio at northwestern.edu (Jordan Bigio)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050629135523.02c0abf0@email.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.131354.0500.JBIGIO@NORTHWESTERN.EDU>

You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could be 
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book 
>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She 
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 29 18:32:28 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:32:28 +0200
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c26f66.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.203228.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

I don?t agree on this point. The raw text output is just flat and 
chronological version of the information collected during the experiment. 
All attributes and their values are mentioned line-by-line and the 
hierarchical structure of the experiment is translated by levels and 
indentation. The dynamic nature of this information doesn't allow it to be 
formatted in a flat table such as in E-DataAid during the test because the 
column structure isn't known at the start of the experiment. For unexpected 
script terminations you can always use E-Recovery to rescue any data 
recorded so far, so you will probably never have to interpret the text files 
yourself. And if your experiment has different output requirements (such as 
tracking and recording mouse positions during the test), you can always 
write your own custom output file by using minor scripting.

In short: E-DataAid is such a great and powerful tool for filtering and 
translating complete data sets that you will only want to use the raw text 
files for backup purposes.

paul groot
VU Amsterdam

>From: "Ben Robinson" <BRobinso at mprc.umaryland.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>, <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:26 -0400
>
>it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be improved 
>dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a .edat 
>file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial recording of 
>what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be opened in excel and 
>understood.
>
>ben robinson
>research asst.
>
>
>
>
> >>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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>http://mail.yahoo.com
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>
>


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 18:51:03 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:51:03 -0700
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115103.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

What helped for me when I started out learning Dbase was that I found an 
author who wrote in easy-to-understand English, even though he published 
huge manuals that allowed me to figure out how to do whatever I needed 
to do. I had a programmer tutor me once. He brought a small, sample 
program and explained to me how it worked. After that, I just took the 
manual & went for it.

My advice is to have your student peruse the available manuals and 
decide which is easiest for her to understand. Something with easy 
lessons, where she can copy in or download sample programs would be great.

The Eprime tutorial is good for that, too, I agree. There's no fast way; 
it's learning a language.

Leisha

Harvey Shulman wrote:

>
> I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  
> She has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic 
> was designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out 
> there on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some 
> advice to narrow them down to one or two that are well written and 
> good for getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, 
> databases etc. needed.   Thanks.
>
> -------
> Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
> Department of Psychology
> The Ohio State University
> 201 Lazenby Hall
> Columbus, OH 43210
> ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>


From michael.crowley at yale.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:51:06 2005
From: michael.crowley at yale.edu (Michael J. Crowley)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:51:06 -0400
Subject: Electrical Geodesics biological addons and eprime 2.0
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.145106.0400.MICHAEL.CROWLEY@YALE.EDU>

Dear List,

we are in the proces of upgrading to eprime 2.0.  We also use EGI dense array
EEG with a biological add-ons software (developed by psychology software tools)
made to synch the EEG with eprime.

Does anyone know about compatibility of biological add-ons with eprime 2.0?
Has this been worked out, etc.

thank you.

Mike Crowley


Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
Yale Child Study Center
230 South Frontage Rd.
New Haven, CT 06520



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From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 18:53:07 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:53:07 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <B68F9C2FB5456441821E39FFF2FA508816D7F5@exchange01.pst.local>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.115307.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I was never able to get the graceful abort to work, unfortunately. Has 
anyone done it?

Leisha

Amy Eschman wrote:

> The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as 
> possible when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format 
> (an error occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want 
> the ability to end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of 
> InLine script called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to 
> terminate an experiment after a trial or block without losing the data 
> file.  The graceful abort script checks the value of GetUserBreakState 
> to see if a special key sequence has been pressed.  A description of 
> the graceful abort can be found in Section 2.8.2 of the E-Prime User's 
> Guide.
>
>  
>
> Amy Eschman
>
> Psychology Software Tools
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
> Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>
>  
>
> I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to 
> quit an experiment, a usable edat file would be great.
>
> Jordan
>
> At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>
> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
> opened in excel and understood.
>  
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>  
>  
>
>
>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
> of the design and implementation features and did not
> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
> and E-DataAid.
>
> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
> E-DataAid.
>
> Improvements to export in general?
> Improvements to export to Excel?
> Improvements to export to SPSS?
> Improvements to export to XML?
>
> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
> packages would be reduced?
>
>
> -Brandon
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Brandon S. Cernicky
> Senior Software Engineer
> Psychology Software Tools
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
> Project Coordinator
> Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
> Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
> Northwestern University
> 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
> Evanston, IL 60208
> Phone: 847-491-3647
>
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From rkwillia at bu.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:56:21 2005
From: rkwillia at bu.edu (Rebecca Williams)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:56:21 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050629131233.03c87980@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.145621.0400.RKWILLIA@BU.EDU>

I actually tried that book, but found it pretty useless. The best thing I
found was to track down a couple people's e-prime programs with script and
work my way through their script.

-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf
Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic


You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than
that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could 
>be
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.  It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book 
>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  
>>She
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342 Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From psudevan at uwsp.edu  Wed Jun 29 18:58:06 2005
From: psudevan at uwsp.edu (Sudevan, Padmanabhan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:58:06 -0500
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.135806.0500.PSUDEVAN@UWSP.EDU>

I have "VBA for Dummies", which is good. I also have VBA Developers'
Handbook, which is large and technical. However, as I am beginning to
learn VB and VBA, I am wondering about the differences between all the
versions. My software is version 6.3 ( attached to Word 2003 and Excel
2003 ). Will any of the editions of "VBA for Dummies" be equally
helpful? Some of the windows and features in VB 6.3 seem to be different
from earlier versions.

I don't find programming per se a problem, having done Fortran and C++
programmimg in the ( somewhat distant ) past. I agree that the E-Prime
reference is a better description of the language at an
easy-to-understand level.

P Sudevan
Professor of Psychology
Chair, Faculty Senate
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point


-----Original Message-----
From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: Re: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic

You can get "VBA for Dummies" off the internet at B&N or Borders or 
whatever. I have it, but haven't used it, so can't give more input than
that.

Jordan

At 02:03 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, Carol Anne Miller wrote:
>I would like to hear these suggestions, too.  Ideally a book that could
be 
>called "Visual Basic for the Non-Programmer."  I'd just like to feel
that 
>I can easily write macros in various programs that use VB or something 
>based on it.  Everytime I've looked into books about VB, they seem to
be 
>aimed at such a different audience that can't even get a foothold.
It's 
>hard to explain what the problem is, but I know I've never found a book

>that helped me.  The E-prime manual is probably more helpful than most.
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carol Miller, Ph.D.
>Dept. of Communication Sciences & Disorders
>Penn State University
>115-B Moore Building
>(814) 865-6213
>cam47 at psu.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>At 01:46 PM 06/29/2005, you wrote:
>
>>I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.
She 
>>has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was 
>>designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there
on 
>>Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to 
>>narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for
getting 
>>started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases etc. 
>>needed.   Thanks.
>>
>>-------
>>Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
>>Department of Psychology
>>The Ohio State University
>>201 Lazenby Hall
>>Columbus, OH 43210
>>ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
>
>

Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
Project Coordinator
Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Northwestern University
2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
Evanston, IL 60208
Phone: 847-491-3647 


From katzlb at upmc.edu  Wed Jun 29 19:09:43 2005
From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:09:43 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.150943.0400.KATZLB@UPMC.EDU>

I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to translate).
 
So, I'm gonna recommend http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB), and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part of what learning programming is about... learning that the syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
 
Lena

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org on behalf of Harvey Shulman 
	Sent: Wed 6/29/2005 1:46 PM 
	To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Recommend a beginner's book for Visual Basic
	
	


	I have a student who wants to learn how to write Visual Basic code.  She
	has very little background in programming, but that's what Basic was
	designed for all those years ago.   There are a lot of books out there
	on Visual Basic and it would help a lot if we could get some advice to
	narrow them down to one or two that are well written and good for
	getting started.   No advanced material on graphics, sockets, databases
	etc. needed.   Thanks.
	
	-------
	Harvey G. Shulman, PhD
	Department of Psychology
	The Ohio State University
	201 Lazenby Hall
	Columbus, OH 43210
	ph 614 292-2759  fax 614 688-3984
	
	


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Wed Jun 29 19:30:49 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:30:49 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <s2c2baae.071@mprc.umaryland.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.123049.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I see. I think my problem is that I was trying to find the one key place 
in which to check the state.

Thanks for the tip.

Leisha

Ben Robinson wrote:

> yes, you just need to liberally lace your script with statements 
> checking up on the status of the "user break state".  the more places 
> in your script where you double-check the user break state, the more 
> places, and the more readily, your script will know how to terminate 
> early in the event it detects a change in the user break state.
>  
> ben robinson
> research asst.
>
> >>> Leisha Wharfield <leisha at decisionresearch.org> 6/29/2005 2:53 PM >>>
> I was never able to get the graceful abort to work, unfortunately. Has 
> anyone done it?
>
> Leisha
>
> Amy Eschman wrote:
>
>> The E-Recovery text file is used for recovering as much data as 
>> possible when the experiment ends prior to conversion to EDAT format 
>> (an error occurs, or the user presses Ctrl+Alt+Shift).  If you want 
>> the ability to end an experiment early, you can add a small piece of 
>> InLine script called a "graceful abort" that will allow you to 
>> terminate an experiment after a trial or block without losing the 
>> data file.  The graceful abort script checks the value of 
>> GetUserBreakState to see if a special key sequence has been pressed.  
>> A description of the graceful abort can be found in Section 2.8.2 of 
>> the E-Prime User's Guide.
>>
>> Amy Eschman
>>
>> Psychology Software Tools
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jordan Bigio
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:22 AM
>> To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>> Subject: Re: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>>
>> I agree with Ben. I don't use the text files much, but if we had to 
>> quit an experiment, a usable edat file would be great.
>>
>> Jordan
>>
>> At 09:52 AM 6/29/2005 -0400, Ben Robinson wrote:
>>
>> it seems like the formatting of the text file data file could be 
>> improved dramatically in future versions of eprime.
>> if for any reason a program quits before having a chance to make a 
>> .edat file, it would be nice to have a more useable trial-by-trial 
>> recording of what went on.  something that, in a pinch, could be 
>> opened in excel and understood.
>>  
>> ben robinson
>> research asst.
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>>>>> Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com> 6/28/2005 10:06 PM >>>
>> The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>> relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>> E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>> of the design and implementation features and did not
>> focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>> and E-DataAid.
>>
>> Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>> to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>> E-DataAid.
>>
>> Improvements to export in general?
>> Improvements to export to Excel?
>> Improvements to export to SPSS?
>> Improvements to export to XML?
>>
>> PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>> stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>> packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>> Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>> be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>> packages would be reduced?
>>
>>
>> -Brandon
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Brandon S. Cernicky
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> Psychology Software Tools
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>>
>> Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>> Project Coordinator
>> Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>> Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>> Northwestern University
>> 2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>> Evanston, IL 60208
>> Phone: 847-491-3647
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From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 29 19:54:48 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:54:48 +0200
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
In-Reply-To: <20050629020605.38637.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.215448.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Hello Brandon,

There are a few practical issues about E-DataAid that could be improved:

1) E-DataAid can become very sloooow when using filters. Especially when 
used in combination with the analysis option.

2) When exporting analysis tables to SPSS I always have to rename column 
names. The latest version of SPSS is somewhat improved on the maximum 
allowed variable name, but dashes are just not allowed and filtered out. 
This is especially a problem when numbers are part of the name. (I.e. 
Total.ACC-11-1 will become Total.ACC111)

3) I know a lot of researchers who are using the analysis option to create a 
'case' based table for SPSS. That is: all relevant data of an experiment is 
collected on one line. The problem is that the content of the table can only 
be based on numerical values, not string values. I know that this is 
required for performing statistical calculations, but this limitation also 
holds if the table is designed in such a way that each cell is derived from 
a single value. Our current workaround is to encode each relevant string 
value with a corresponding numerical value and store this along with all 
other attributes. For example: a typed response character can be translated 
at runtime to a unique numerical value by using inline script. Offline 
translation of such data is also possible by using excel and copying and 
pasting columns.

Let me finish with a compliment: E-Merge and E-DataAid are straightforward 
but powerful utilities, which do exactly what they claim: provide an easy 
mechanism to prepare datasets for further analysis. I also like the 
annotation option, which allows me to track any manual changes in the data.

kind regards,
Paul Groot
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam



>From: Brandon Cernicky <brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Data Features
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
>
>The last couple weeks had a number of threads in
>relation to data handling in E-Prime.  The recent
>E-Prime 2.0 Feature Survey placed its emphasis on many
>of the design and implementation features and did not
>focus on any data handling improvements for E-Merge
>and E-DataAid.
>
>Please feel free to discuss any items you would like
>to see for E-Prime 2.0 in regards to E-Merge and
>E-DataAid.
>
>Improvements to export in general?
>Improvements to export to Excel?
>Improvements to export to SPSS?
>Improvements to export to XML?
>
>PST is certainly not going to try to reinvent the
>stats wheel and understand there are many stats
>packages available and exporting to them is intended.
>Are there any areas where E-Merge or E-DataAid could
>be improved to make it so that bouncing in-between
>packages would be reduced?
>
>
>-Brandon
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Brandon S. Cernicky
>Senior Software Engineer
>Psychology Software Tools
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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From lngmyers at ccu.edu.tw  Wed Jun 29 23:28:53 2005
From: lngmyers at ccu.edu.tw (James Myers)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:28:53 +0800
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <42C2DE66.1020001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.072853.0800.>

I would advise against VBA for anything other than quick-and-dirty code
for some
specific in-house purpose. Microsoft keeps changing the language so older
code quickly becomes unrunnable. I myself spent the last half year or so
tweaking a complex set of Excel macros in the version of Microsoft Office
that I happen to have on my machine (Excel 97 or something). I assumed the
end result would be something I could post on my website for anybody with
Office to download and use, but nope -- not only does it not work on Macs,
but it doesn't even work in Excel 2000 or later.

-- jm


From kwillhoit at uwf.edu  Thu Jun 30 00:09:18 2005
From: kwillhoit at uwf.edu (Kristie Willhoit)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:09:18 -0500
Subject: suspend/resume function
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F26D7868026730659ACF68697EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <WED.29.JUN.2005.190918.0500.KWILLHOIT@UWF.EDU>

Ah ha - it's always the incredibly simple things...  Thanks for the tip,
Paul! :D  A follow-up question, if you can help - now when the program
resumes, it ceases to play sound.  Another simple remedy overlooked?

Kristie

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gr [mailto:pauls_postbus at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:23 PM
To: kwillhoit at uwf.edu; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
Subject: RE: suspend/resume function

hi kristie,

I'm not familiar with the example you mentioned, but you will have to copy 
the user script part into the 'user' tab of the script window (use Alt-5 or 
Menu->View->Script.) Don't copy it in an inline script!!!

best,
paul

>From: "Kristie Willhoit" <kwillhoit at uwf.edu>
>To: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
>Subject: suspend/resume function
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:37:50 -0500
>
>Hi all!  I am trying to design my Eprime experiment so that the program 
>will suspend, play a video that demonstrates the task, and then resume.  I 
>have tried inserting the script from the suspend/resume example into my 
>program, but I keep getting errors.  First, I received the msg: "Unknown 
>function: IsPowerPointViewerInstalled" and when I read the script, it 
>states that this function is declared in the User Script, so I inserted the

>portion of the user script from the example into an InLine, and I received 
>the error: "Encountered: Function; Expecting: <statement>" .  Any 
>suggestions?  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>Kristie Willhoit
>Research Associate
>Division of Health, Leisure, and Exercise Science
>University of West Florida
>kwillhoit at uwf.edu


From pquain at metz.une.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 01:39:58 2005
From: pquain at metz.une.edu.au (Peter Quain)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:39:58 +1000
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <42BC5695.5090703@decisionresearch.org>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.113958.1000.PQUAIN@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU>


we export the entire unmodified edat file to tab del text then import the 
whole thing into SPSS, using the point and click read text data wizard, 
allowing the program to modify variable names however it wishes. We save 
then run the syntax, then print variable names with the 'Display Labels' 
command, identify the variables of interest, and use the 'Keep', 'Rename' 
and 'Drop' subcommands of the 'Save' command to sort the columns, and 
provide meaningful variable names and / or labels.

Once this is done for the 1st subject's data file the syntax can be run for 
each subsequent file simply by changing the source file name, and the 
outfile names. Any combination of variables can be grabbed from the master 
file by a few changes to the keep, drop, and rename subcommands. Because 
the variable names are the same in both individual subject and merged files 
the syntax can be used to import and organise single subject data (to 
combine behavioural data with EEG files, for instance), or merged files. 
Some rough example syntax (minus the display labels command) for single 
subject data (no subject identifier included) below:

Peter

* Import e-dat info for ENUM3

GET DATA  /TYPE = TXT
  /FILE = 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\e3_5_edat.txt'
  /DELCASE = LINE
  /DELIMITERS = "\t"
  /ARRANGEMENT = DELIMITED
  /FIRSTCASE = 2
  /IMPORTCASE = ALL
  /VARIABLES =
  Experime A10
  Subject F1.0
  Session F1.0
  Age F2.1
  V4 F6.2
  Gender A1
  Group F1.0
  Handed A1
  RandomSe F10.2
  SessionD A10
  SessionT A8
  Block F1.0
  BlockLis F1.0
  V14 F1.0
  V15 F1.0
  Practice F1.0
  V17 F1.0
  V18 F1.0
  V19 A8
  Procedur A9
  V20 A17
  Trial F2.0
  CheckAcc F1.0
  V24 F1.0
  V25 F1.0
  Code F2.0
  CollectC F6.0
  V28 F4.0
  corransw F1.0
  Fixation F4.2
  V31 F4.2
  V32 F2.1
  None F2.1
  NoWords F1.0
  numobs F1.0
  PracList F2.1
  V37 F1.0
  V38 F2.1
  V39 A9
  Recall.A F1.0
  V40 A9
  Stim1 A9
  ThreeSyl F2.1
  ThreeWor F1.0
  TrialLis F2.1
  V46 F1.0
  V47 F2.1
  TwoSyl F1.0
  TwoWords F1.0
  Type F1.0
  Word1 A3
  .
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' / Keep block 
trial checkacc code collectc v28 corransw  recall.a stim1.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' .

Compute ob = $CASENUM.
Execute.
Formats ob (F8.0).

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' / Keep ob code 
corransw checkacc v28 all.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_3.sav' / Rename (code 
corransw checkacc v28 = type resp acc rt) / Drop= block To stim1.


At 04:53 AM 25/06/2005, Leisha Wharfield wrote:
>I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
>takes it from there.
>
>Leisha
>
>Jordan Bigio wrote:
>
>>I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do. 
>>Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we 
>>want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my 
>>behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>>
>>Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>>
>>>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>>>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>>>dialog.
>>>
>>>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>>>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>>>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>>>them back in.
>>>
>>>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>>>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>>>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>>
>>>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>>>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>>>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>>>added in.
>>>
>>>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>>>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>>
>>>-Tony
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>> > Of Paul Warren
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> >
>>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>>>stats
>>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>>>haven't
>>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>>>Dave
>>> > could make his macros available?
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > Dr Paul Warren
>>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>>> > New Zealand
>>> >
>>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>>> > | for 90% of
>>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>>> > | E-Data Aid and
>>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>>> > | there directly.
>>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>>>go
>>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>>>you
>>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>>>this
>>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>>> > | the things
>>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>>> > | This also
>>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>>>into
>>> > | SPSS from there.
>>> > |
>>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>>> > |
>>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>>>NULL
>>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>>> > |
>>> > | Dave
>>> > |
>>> > | W. David Hairston
>>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>>> > |
>>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>>> > |
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > | Dear List,
>>> > |
>>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>>> > | before going
>>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>>> > | issues and
>>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>>> > | post-collection from
>>> > | edata
>>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>>> > |
>>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>>> > | many null data
>>> > | values.
>>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>>> > |
>>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>>> > | variables?
>>> > |
>>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>>>this
>>> > | post, I
>>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>>> > |
>>> > | best wishes,
>>> > |
>>> > | Mike Crowley
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>>> > | this message.
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>
>>
>>Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>>Project Coordinator
>>Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>>Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>>Northwestern University
>>2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>>Evanston, IL 60208
>>Phone: 847-491-3647
>>
>>
>
>Peter Quain
>School of Psychology
>University of New England
>Armidale, Australia, 2351
>Phone:  02 6773 5193
>Fax:      02 6773 3820
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From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk  Thu Jun 30 08:29:51 2005
From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:29:51 +0100
Subject: processing eprime data
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050630104033.02d6d1b0@metz.une.edu.au>; from "leeh"
 at Thu Jun 30 09:29:51 2005
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.092951.0100.LEEH@BIOLS.SUSX.AC.UK>

I use the same method as Peter (below) except that I e-merge the edat files
first before exporting the whole file to TXT (which saves repeating the GET
command for each subject) and then use the keep subcommand on the save command
to establish the order and content of columns (which saves time doing it by
hand in data aid).

Lee.


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From: Peter Quain <pquain at metz.une.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:39:58 +1000
Subject: Re: processing eprime data
Sender: <eprime at mail.talkbank.org>
To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org


we export the entire unmodified edat file to tab del text then import the 
whole thing into SPSS, using the point and click read text data wizard, 
allowing the program to modify variable names however it wishes. We save 
then run the syntax, then print variable names with the 'Display Labels' 
command, identify the variables of interest, and use the 'Keep', 'Rename' 
and 'Drop' subcommands of the 'Save' command to sort the columns, and 
provide meaningful variable names and / or labels.

Once this is done for the 1st subject's data file the syntax can be run for 
each subsequent file simply by changing the source file name, and the 
outfile names. Any combination of variables can be grabbed from the master 
file by a few changes to the keep, drop, and rename subcommands. Because 
the variable names are the same in both individual subject and merged files 
the syntax can be used to import and organise single subject data (to 
combine behavioural data with EEG files, for instance), or merged files. 
Some rough example syntax (minus the display labels command) for single 
subject data (no subject identifier included) below:

Peter

* Import e-dat info for ENUM3

GET DATA  /TYPE = TXT
  /FILE = 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\e3_5_edat.txt'
  /DELCASE = LINE
  /DELIMITERS = "\t"
  /ARRANGEMENT = DELIMITED
  /FIRSTCASE = 2
  /IMPORTCASE = ALL
  /VARIABLES =
  Experime A10
  Subject F1.0
  Session F1.0
  Age F2.1
  V4 F6.2
  Gender A1
  Group F1.0
  Handed A1
  RandomSe F10.2
  SessionD A10
  SessionT A8
  Block F1.0
  BlockLis F1.0
  V14 F1.0
  V15 F1.0
  Practice F1.0
  V17 F1.0
  V18 F1.0
  V19 A8
  Procedur A9
  V20 A17
  Trial F2.0
  CheckAcc F1.0
  V24 F1.0
  V25 F1.0
  Code F2.0
  CollectC F6.0
  V28 F4.0
  corransw F1.0
  Fixation F4.2
  V31 F4.2
  V32 F2.1
  None F2.1
  NoWords F1.0
  numobs F1.0
  PracList F2.1
  V37 F1.0
  V38 F2.1
  V39 A9
  Recall.A F1.0
  V40 A9
  Stim1 A9
  ThreeSyl F2.1
  ThreeWor F1.0
  TrialLis F2.1
  V46 F1.0
  V47 F2.1
  TwoSyl F1.0
  TwoWords F1.0
  Type F1.0
  Word1 A3
  .
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_MASTER.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' / Keep block 
trial checkacc code collectc v28 corransw  recall.a stim1.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat.sav' .

Compute ob = $CASENUM.
Execute.
Formats ob (F8.0).

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' / Keep ob code 
corransw checkacc v28 all.

Get
file= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_2.sav' .

Save Outfile= 'C:\AAPete\PhDData\Enum3\E3_5\E3_5_edat_3.sav' / Rename (code 
corransw checkacc v28 = type resp acc rt) / Drop= block To stim1.


At 04:53 AM 25/06/2005, Leisha Wharfield wrote:
>I do the same. Filter, copy to Excel. Our data analyst imports to SPSS & 
>takes it from there.
>
>Leisha
>
>Jordan Bigio wrote:
>
>>I do this as well. Hide columns I don't want, then arrange the ones I do. 
>>Copy. Paste to excel. Save, and run in SPSS with SPSS syntax for stats we 
>>want. Then, save outfiles as excel files, and paste them back into my 
>>behavioral stats file (excel as well).
>>
>>Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>At 05:44 PM 6/23/2005 -0400, Tony Zuccolotto wrote:
>>
>>>If you are not familiar with the feature, you may be able to save a
>>>little bit of work by using E-DataAid's "Tools|Arrange Columns..."
>>>dialog.
>>>
>>>Specifically, you can click the Remove All button on the dialog to
>>>remove (hide) all the columns, optionally alphabetize the list of
>>>variables, and then double click just the variables that you want to add
>>>them back in.
>>>
>>>If you save the data file it will bring back that same column
>>>arrangement the next time you load it, and you can then use the File |
>>>Export... option to send the data elsewhere.
>>>
>>>If you do this early on in your master merged file, save it, and keep
>>>reusing it then E-DataAid should save your preferred column arrangement
>>>and keep it as the default for that merged file as new data files are
>>>added in.
>>>
>>>...not totally automated, but may save a few repetitive steps or a lot
>>>of adding and deleting using Excel.
>>>
>>>-Tony
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>> > Of Paul Warren
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:29 PM
>>> > To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> >
>>> > I use a similar strategy to Dave, i.e. E-merge then Excel and then
>>>stats
>>> > either in Excel (with the statistiXL product) or in SPSS. But I
>>>haven't
>>> > come to grips with macros in Excel for stripping out the dross. Maybe
>>>Dave
>>> > could make his macros available?
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > Dr Paul Warren
>>> > School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
>>> > Victoria University of Wellington
>>> > New Zealand
>>> >
>>> > tel +64 4 463 5631/5600
>>> > fax +64 4 463 5604
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: David Hairston [mailto:dhair at wfubmc.edu]
>>> > | Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 9:20 a.m.
>>> > | To: Michael J. Crowley; eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: RE: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | As a general rule, I do not use E-Data Aid at all; I use SPSS
>>> > | for 90% of
>>> > | my analyses, and Excel for transitioning the data between
>>> > | E-Data Aid and
>>> > | SPSS. Personally since I know that I'll need everything in SPSS for
>>> > | eventual stats, groups for figures, etc etc, I find it easier to go
>>> > | there directly.
>>> > | So, when the experiment is done, I immediately group it via E-Merge,
>>> > | then export into Excel Test format... then I open it via Excel, and
>>>go
>>> > | through and trim out all the stuff I don't want (Mike I know what
>>>you
>>> > | mean about a LOT of irrelevant stuff). The nice thing about doing
>>>this
>>> > | in Excel is that you can easily record a macro to delete all
>>> > | the things
>>> > | you don't want, so you can do it again later w/ a few clicks.
>>> > | This also
>>> > | gives me a chance to change variable names to be SPSS-friendly, etc.
>>> > | Then I just port it back out into tab-delineated text, and import
>>>into
>>> > | SPSS from there.
>>> > |
>>> > | I, too, am curious to see what other folks do...
>>> > |
>>> > | Unfortunately as a result I do not know how to handle the block/
>>>NULL
>>> > | data in E-data-Aid, sorry.
>>> > |
>>> > | Dave
>>> > |
>>> > | W. David Hairston
>>> > | Neurobiology and Anatomy
>>> > |
>>> > | Wake Forest University School of Medicine
>>> > | Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>>> > | (336) 716-4481 (lab)
>>> > | http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/XMODAL/
>>> > |
>>> > | -----Original Message-----
>>> > | From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On
>>> > | Behalf Of Michael J. Crowley
>>> > | Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:10 PM
>>> > | To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>>> > | Subject: processing eprime data
>>> > |
>>> > | Dear List,
>>> > |
>>> > | I'm wondering how much preprocessing people are doing in edata aid
>>> > | before going
>>> > | to a stat package.  I've seen that most postings reflect programming
>>> > | issues and
>>> > | I'm wondering how people are processing their data,
>>> > | post-collection from
>>> > | edata
>>> > | aid. I'm hoping that his post will open this for discussion.
>>> > |
>>> > | Because data is stored trial variable by block, there are
>>> > | many null data
>>> > | values.
>>> > |  Is there any ideal way for handling this in edata aid?
>>> > |
>>> > | Also, some of the data we've opted to store, in retrospect, are
>>> > | irrelevant.  Is
>>> > | their a way to batch process files in edata aid to drop irrelevant
>>> > | variables?
>>> > |
>>> > | Thank you for all your responses.  If there is a good response to
>>>this
>>> > | post, I
>>> > | will compile the feedback for the list.
>>> > |
>>> > | best wishes,
>>> > |
>>> > | Mike Crowley
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Michael J. Crowley, Ph.D.
>>> > | Yale Child Study Center
>>> > | 230 South Frontage Rd.
>>> > | New Haven, CT 06520
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > | Please be aware that email communication can be
>>> > | intercepted in transmission or misdirected. Please
>>> > | consider communicating any sensitive information
>>> > | by telephone, fax or mail. The information
>>> > | contained in this message may be privileged and
>>> > | confidential. If you are NOT the intended
>>> > | recipient, please notify the sender immediately
>>> > | with a copy to hipaa.security at yale.edu and destroy
>>> > | this message.
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>
>>
>>Jordan D. Bigio, B.A.
>>Project Coordinator
>>Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
>>Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
>>Northwestern University
>>2240 N. Campus Dr., Frances Searle Building, Rm. 2-342
>>Evanston, IL 60208
>>Phone: 847-491-3647
>>
>>
>
>Peter Quain
>School of Psychology
>University of New England
>Armidale, Australia, 2351
>Phone:  02 6773 5193
>Fax:      02 6773 3820


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From jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu  Thu Jun 30 15:07:44 2005
From: jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu (Jeffrey Bedwell)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:07:44 -0400
Subject: eye tracking paradigms
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.110744.0400.JBEDWELL@MAIL.UCF.EDU>

I was wondering if anyone had any eyetracking paradigms built in E-Prime that they would be willing to let me use?  I'm especially interested in smooth-pursuit eye tracking and anti-saccade tasks. 
 
Thanks, Jeff Bedwell 
 

________________________________________
Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor - Clinical Doctoral Program
Clinical Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Psychology
University of Central Florida
Phone: 407-823-5858 FAX: 407-823-5862 
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From kimira at umich.edu  Thu Jun 30 15:17:46 2005
From: kimira at umich.edu (kimira at umich.edu)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:17:46 -0400
Subject: Remove from list
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.111746.0400.>

Hi,

Could you please unsubscribe me from this list? I wasn't sure where to email for
this. Thanks.

-Kim Ruelle


From ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu Jun 30 19:47:39 2005
From: ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu (Ilya Korsunskiy)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:39 -0400
Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.154739.0400.ILYAKO@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU>

Hello e-prime community, 

I sent out a query earlier pertaining to contact information from those labs currently or planning to integrate e-prime with psychophysiological recordings (namely through biopac). We are now moving into the initial steps of integration and have come up with the following list of questions to guide our progress:
?	Do we integrate during the experimental or during the analysis phase? 
?	What kind of inputs would E-prime accept and where would it fit in the software? 
?	How can we synchronize E-prime and biopac to start at the same time on separate computers? 
?	How well can we depend on time precision between two separate operating systems? 
?	How do we convert the biopac data to compare it to the data collected in E-prime (or vice versa)?
Any helpful answers, questions or comments would be greatly appreciated. 

Best
Ilya Korsunsky


From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 30 22:07:52 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:07:52 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.180752.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

>I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
>really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
>translate).
>
>So, I'm gonna recommend
>http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
>memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
>looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
>and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
>of what learning programming is about... learning that the
>syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
>to do, and how difficult it's going to be.

As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand 
VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. 
standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things 
like substring functions.  In almost every computer language, 
it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the 
worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.

Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last 
quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it 
contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of 
collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear 
code and document it well will save time and effort in the 
future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:47:14 2005
From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:47:14 +0200
Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
In-Reply-To: <30810565.1120160859277.JavaMail.tomcat@roadmaster>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUL.2005.004714.0200.PAULSPOSTBUS@HOTMAIL.COM>

Dear Ilya,

It?s a bit hard to cover all these topics completely in a single answer, so 
let me focus on a few important issues:

Integrating BioPac and EPrime is not very different from most systems a have 
encountered so far. In most cases two separate computers are being used: one 
for running tests or stimulus software (i.e. EPrime), and one for data 
acquisition (i.e. collecting data from BioPac.) In most cases the only link 
between the two systems is a synchronization connection, which is typically 
realized between the parallel printer port of the EPrime PC and the isolated 
digital input lines of the BioPac hardware (i.e. the STP100C module.) I 
think a suitable interface cable is also supplied with the current (new) 
modules. The link between the two systems is one-way only and can only be 
used to send up to eight digital signals from your EPrime script by using a 
few simple lines of inline script. These 8 signals are available as 8 
separate input signals in BioPac and can be viewed and stored just like any 
other physiological signal. Because there are 8 independent signals 
available it is possible to encode information (such as stimulus type) by 
sending different numerical values to the printer port. In other words: the 
8 lines can be view as a way to send and record event codes. To check for 
any timing errors or delays we performed some tests in our lab. One of these 
tests was a check to test for timing differences between the digital and the 
analog signals. (This is very important for synchronization or event codes!) 
The only thing we found out is that our STP100C (which is not exactly the 
same as currently supplied) had slightly different electrical specs on the 
first digital input line (the one which can also be used as trigger signal.) 
  Although it should be possible to start data acquisition by activating the 
trigger input (one of the 8 digital input lines), we typically start the 
recording manually before starting the EPrime script. While running the 
script, we just send sync. codes at relevant moments to the printer port to 
take care of the event marking. (You could also include one ore more 
instruction screens as part of the EPrime script to instruct how to 
initialize and start a recording.) However, there is one type of event that 
is not very trivial to encode during the recording: subject responses! This 
is because you will have to take care of sending the proper codes at the 
right moments yourself because EPrime currently doesn't support automatic 
forwarding of such events. (Version 2 hopefully does!)

Because the communication between the two systems is limited to a few 
one-way digital lines, it is not possible to use any information about the 
physiological signals at runtime in your EPrime script. (I.e. biofeedback is 
not an option.) You will probably use the digital markers during the 
analysis phase of the physiological data to select relevant fragments of the 
recording. Unfortunately the BioPac analysis software doesn?t have proper 
tools to automate such analysis procedures, so you will have to process a 
lot of the data manually, or convert the data to other analysis packages. 
Anyway, in most cases you will only merge EPrime output and physiological 
data after preprocessing the raw signals to extract the desired information 
(such as average heart rate during a specific period.)


hope this is of any help
Paul Groot


>From: Ilya Korsunskiy <ilyako at eden.rutgers.edu>
>To: eprime at mail.talkbank.org
>Subject: more e-prime/ psychophysiology integration
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hello e-prime community,
>
>I sent out a query earlier pertaining to contact information from those 
>labs currently or planning to integrate e-prime with psychophysiological 
>recordings (namely through biopac). We are now moving into the initial 
>steps of integration and have come up with the following list of questions 
>to guide our progress:
>?	Do we integrate during the experimental or during the analysis phase?
>?	What kind of inputs would E-prime accept and where would it fit in the 
>software?
>?	How can we synchronize E-prime and biopac to start at the same time on 
>separate computers?
>?	How well can we depend on time precision between two separate operating 
>systems?
>?	How do we convert the biopac data to compare it to the data collected in 
>E-prime (or vice versa)?
>Any helpful answers, questions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Best
>Ilya Korsunsky
>


From leisha at decisionresearch.org  Thu Jun 30 22:53:32 2005
From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:53:32 -0700
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <93d00386.14b9a57a.9c28d00@mirapointms3.wayne.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.155332.0700.LEISHA@DECISIONRESEARCH.ORG>

I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I think those of us 
who still believe in it are quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming 
up, "it just doesn't matter."

Leisha

Doug Fuller wrote:

>>I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
>>really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
>>translate).
>>
>>So, I'm gonna recommend
>>http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
>>memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
>>looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
>>and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
>>of what learning programming is about... learning that the
>>syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
>>to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
>>    
>>
>
>As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't stand 
>VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e. 
>standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things 
>like substring functions.  In almost every computer language, 
>it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the 
>worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.
>
>Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that last 
>quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it 
>contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of 
>collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write clear 
>code and document it well will save time and effort in the 
>future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
>  
>
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From dfuller at wayne.edu  Thu Jun 30 23:10:50 2005
From: dfuller at wayne.edu (Doug Fuller)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:10:50 -0400
Subject: Recommend a  beginner's book for Visual Basic
Message-ID: <THU.30.JUN.2005.191050.0400.DFULLER@WAYNE.EDU>

Indeed - it's a natural consequence of the growth explosion 
in hardware resources:

Back in the day when you only had 64kb of memory, you had to 
write memory-efficient code.  Back in the day when you had 
circuits running in the sub-megahertz range, you had to 
develop fast algorithms.  This is why Y2K happened - 
programmers sacrificed century datespace for other purposes.

But THESE days, processors are fast, and memory is cheap - 
bloat and inefficiency are running wild.  I'm still trying to 
understand why a mail reader requires an HTML interface, for 
example...

>   I agree with the ideal of writing clean code, but I
>   think those of us who still believe in it are
>   quickly becoming dinosaurs. To people coming up, "it
>   just doesn't matter."
>
>   Leisha
>
>   Doug Fuller wrote:
>
> I've always found C an easier language to learn (I didn't
> really grok VB until after I'd taken enough C++ and Java to
> translate).
>
> So, I'm gonna recommend
> http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ .  Of course, the
> memory management is unnecessary (your student shouldn't be
> looking at "Advanced Concepts", as they don't exist in VB),
> and all the syntax will be different.  But, hey, that's part
> of what learning programming is about... learning that the
> syntax doesn't really matter.  What matters is what you want
> to do, and how difficult it's going to be.
>    
>
> As someone coming from a C/C++/Java background, I can't 
stand
> VB.  Why does Microsoft have to reinvent the wheel (i.e.
> standard library functions) in everything they do?  Things
> like substring functions.  In almost every computer 
language,
> it's called substr().  I spent an hour digging through the
> worthless help pages finding that it's called Mid$() in VB.
>
> Now, having said that, I do want to briefly address that 
last
> quoted paragraph - syntax does matter, insomuch as it
> contributes to readability/maintenance.  In the spirit of
> collaboration and/or modification, knowing how to write 
clear
> code and document it well will save time and effort in the
> future if you or a collaborator decide to tweak parameters.
>  
-- 
Doug Fuller
dfuller at wayne.edu
Research Assistant, Wayne State University
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences


From paulj at psy.uq.edu.au  Wed Jun  8 21:54:57 2005
From: paulj at psy.uq.edu.au (Paul R. Jackson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:54:57 +1000
Subject: button box
Message-ID: <THU.9.JUN.2005.075457.1000.PAULJ@PSY.UQ.EDU.AU>

We use an in house external button box which has 2 buttons and a mic input.
It plugs into the game/joystick port of the computer. As far as the computer
is concerned it looks like a 3 button joystick. The 2 buttons map to Button1
and Button 2 on the joystick and the mic input maps to Button3. The mic
input is basically a sound level threshold switch where if the mic input
reaches a certain (adjustable) level then the button triggers. The advantage
of using something like this is that it doesn't have the inherent delays
that the mouse and keyboard have. The change is visible to your experiment
almost instantaneously. What is the point of millisecond accurate timing if
your devices are much slower.

Paul
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