From pkieffab at indiana.edu Sat Oct 1 18:20:24 2005 From: pkieffab at indiana.edu (Paul Kieffaber) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:20:24 -0500 Subject: Respond using left or right {shift} key Message-ID: Can the left and right shift keys be differentiated when instructing Eprime about keyboard input? I see that {shift} works for both, but can you specify one or the other? Thanks in advance, Paul Paul D. Kieffaber Clinical & Cognitive Science Indiana University, Bloomington pkieffab at indiana.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This project is funded annually by DARPA. Send CV and statement of research interests to Drs. Walter Schneider, Greg Siegle, or Mark E. Wheeler by email to ebc at pitt.edu or by mail to the University of Pittsburgh, Learning Research and Development Center, 3939 O’Hara Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15260. See http:// www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ebc/ for more information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katzlb at upmc.edu Wed Oct 5 14:22:14 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:22:14 -0400 Subject: eprime question Message-ID: Dear List, I have been manually setting the duration of a slideobject (using Set Obj.Duration = #), and using timeaudit I'm finding about a 400ms error (it's set to cumulative timing, if that changes anything). Is this to be expected? Thanks From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:28:33 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:28:33 +0200 Subject: EPrime: Creating BrainVoyager PRT files Message-ID: Dear EPrime list Does anyone has an example macro or script to convert EPrime output to BrainVoyager .PRT files, and is willing to share it? Thank you very much in advance Paul Groot/Dirk Heslenfeld Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam From katzlb at upmc.edu Wed Oct 5 14:36:32 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: timing issues Message-ID: Does cumulative timing not work with resetting the duration of an object on the fly? Is there any way of making this work? I've noticed some bugs when I try and reset the object before I run the procedure it is in (it appears that sometimes the object only appears for 3ms, instead of 3 seconds). I'd really like to be able to make this work, so any advice would be really appreciated! Lena From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk Wed Oct 12 11:19:16 2005 From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:19:16 +0100 Subject: Voice key allowable option Message-ID: Dear all, Does anybody know the allowable option that selects the voice key input in the SR box from the numeric options 1-5. Many thanks. Lee Hogarth. From berner at psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de Wed Oct 12 13:20:54 2005 From: berner at psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de (Michael P. Berner) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:20:54 +0200 Subject: AW: Voice key allowable option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Lee, in the Serial Response Box Technical Manual it says: "A voice key trip looks just like a 3.5 millisecond duration press on key number 6." Hope that helps. kind regards -- michael ---------- Michael P. Berner Institut for Psychology III University of Wuerzburg Roentgenring 11 D-97070 Wuerzburg Tel: +49 931 31 2176 Fax: +49 931 31 2815 http://www.psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de/i3pages/ > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] Im Auftrag von Lee Hogarth > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2005 13:19 > An: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Betreff: Voice key allowable option > > Dear all, > > Does anybody know the allowable option that selects the voice > key input in the SR box from the numeric options 1-5. > > Many thanks. > > Lee Hogarth. > From rip5555 at ksu.edu Wed Oct 12 16:37:05 2005 From: rip5555 at ksu.edu (rip5555 at ksu.edu) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: Pre-Made Working Memory Measures for E-Prime Message-ID: Hey all! Does anybody know of any pre-made working memory measures that can be used with e-prime? If you do, could you e-mail me the names, etc.? My e-mail is rip5555 at ksu.edu - thanks a bunch - -Reed From macw at mac.com Wed Oct 12 16:41:31 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: Pre-Made Working Memory Measures for E-Prime In-Reply-To: <1129135025.434d3bb19f287@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: Reed, Have you taken a look at the materials at step.psy.cmu.edu under "Scripts Plus". If none of those are appropriate and you end up with something else, please send me a copy and I will add it there. --Brian MacWhinney, CMU On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:37 PM, rip5555 at ksu.edu wrote: > > Hey all! Does anybody know of any pre-made working memory measures > that > can be used with e-prime? If you do, could you e-mail me the names, > etc.? My e-mail is rip5555 at ksu.edu - thanks a bunch - > -Reed > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 18 01:43:48 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:43:48 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB509A8B06B@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: Hi, list, I'm writing an experiment now using the old Eprime for Windows 98. I hear the Windows 98 version of Eprime doesn't work very well on XP computers and the XP version is still in beta testing, but my PI has been advised to purchase new XP computers to run my Windows-98 Eprime experiment on, because her old computers are too "slow." How legitimate is this? Will there be problems going across operating systems? Yes, we're measuring response times. Thanks for any help. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From jae2924 at louisiana.edu Tue Oct 18 02:32:07 2005 From: jae2924 at louisiana.edu (Epstein Jody) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:32:07 -0500 Subject: totally novice question Message-ID: I have never programmed anything before, and now I am faced with writing a complete program. I have gone through the e-prime tutorial and I get that it's a very user-friendly interface, but I still have no clue about the actual language. Does anybody have any code already written that would tell a computer to tell an external peanut dispenser to dispense? We are using a standard peanut dispenser from Med Associates (model number not at hand, sorry) and connecting to the computer via a serial (printer) port. It needs to dispense at the very moment that the subject touches the correct area of the touch-screen. Any thoughts or helpful hints would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for the help Jody UL-Lafayette Cognitive Sciences PhD candidate -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Oct 19 17:20:12 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:20:12 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <20051019095836.7EE953374F@signal.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: Great. Thanks for letting me know. What about programming using an XP operating system? Any problems there? I'm still programming in Windows 98. Thanks, Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon USA leisha at decisionresearch.org Jan Frederik Léger wrote: >Hi Leisha, > >We run E-Prime version 1.1.4.1 on Windows XP without any problem. As far as >I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. > >Kind regards, > > From janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu Wed Oct 19 18:08:46 2005 From: janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu (Jacob Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:08:46 -0500 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4356804C.5010200@decisionresearch.org> Message-ID: Leisha, We are currently using Win98 for our experiment presentation(Eyetracking, Autonomic Response, EEG, ERP data collections), and haven't run into too many problems. Generally, I have a gut feeling the Win98 is a bit less stable that XP, but I often wonder if Win98 might contribute to better timing and acurracy because the operating system itself is less demanding (no data to back this up, and probably isn't true). We have continued to use Win98 mainly because we use a Digital I/O card that gives us an extra 16 bits/triggers for communication from our E-Prime computer to our DAQ computer. Our Digital I/O has an emulation software feature that simplifies communication between the I/O card and E-Prime, but it is only compatable with Win98, and not WinXP. We will eventually have to switch over to WinXP at some point because Microsoft is not supporting Win98 any more, and I thought that E-Prime 2.0 wont run on earlier Windows versions. I would advise upgrading your computer to XP, if possible, because it is the industry standard Windows environment. My two cents, Jake On 19 Oct 2005 at 10:20, Leisha Wharfield wrote: > Great. Thanks for letting me know. What about programming using an XP > operating system? Any problems there? I'm still programming in Windows 98. > > Thanks, > > Leisha Wharfield > Decision Research > Eugene, Oregon USA > leisha at decisionresearch.org > > Jan Frederik Léger wrote: > > >Hi Leisha, > > > >We run E-Prime version 1.1.4.1 on Windows XP without any problem. As far as > >I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. > > > >Kind regards, > > > > > Jacob E. Anderson Psychophysiologist Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research University of Minnesota 460N 75 East River Road Minneapolis, MN 55455 612-626-7790 "I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind" Dave Matthews From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Oct 19 19:35:47 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:35:47 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <4CCFAF32FB7B2C449A189C82198E426501261DFC@EXCHVS1.medctr.ad.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions regarding running experiments and programming experiments with Eprime on various Windows operating systems. The consensus is that Eprime 1.1 was designed to work with XP & does so very well, also that it's been out for a few years and is no longer in beta testing. One respondent shared my belief that Windows 98 is easier for Eprime to dominate completely (XP seems loaded with "processes" that are always running), allowing greater accuracy with time-critical measures. He also suggested that I could update my hardware, but wipe the newer OS & replace it with Windows 9X. Another respondent suggested that both programming the experiment and running it should be done in the same environment, to avoid introducing errors caused by inconsistencies between various OSs. I need to tightly control timing, so I still favor 98. But if tests for timing accuracy with Windows XP produce good results, I may go with XP. Thanks everyone. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA David Hairston wrote: >You should do all the programming in the same environment that it will be run in. Ideally on the same computer even, that way you can pre-assess all the timing etc and know exactly how it will work out at run time. >We do all our programming on XP w/o any problems. > > > >W. David Hairston >Neurobiology and Anatomy > >Wake Forest University School of Medicine >Winston-Salem, NC 27157 >(336) 716-4481 (lab) >http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:20 PM >To: Jan Frederik Léger; eprime at mail.talkbank.org >Subject: Re: Eprime on Windows XP > >Great. Thanks for letting me know. What about programming using an XP operating system? Any problems there? I'm still programming in Windows 98. > >Thanks, > >Leisha Wharfield >Decision Research >Eugene, Oregon USA >leisha at decisionresearch.org > >Jan Frederik Léger wrote: > > > >>Hi Leisha, >> >>We run E-Prime version 1.1.4.1 on Windows XP without any problem. As >>far as I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. >> >>Kind regards, >> >> >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 15:32:24 2005 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:32:24 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <29201.22237@mail.talkbank.org> Message-ID: Hi Leisha, Thanks for bringing your concerns to the attention of the E-Prime mailing group. I first want to mention that E-Prime 1.1 (build 1.1.4.1), which introduced the ability to run on Windows 2000 and Windows XP was formally released in October of 2002 and has been out of beta testing for nearly three years. Although there have been a number of service pack releases to patch some minor bugs and add some minor features (see the KB section on the E-Prime web support site for those additions/corrections), you should find little variation in regards to timing and other issues between operating system runs. In forum postings and support requests sent to PST, there have been a number of justified concerns about timing and operating system versions. There are a number of pro and con items to weigh including paradigm requirements and (potentially more importantly) the hardware of the machine performing the paradigm. The truth of the matter is that there is no “one size fits all” statement concerning the acceptability of one version over another, and all of these factors must be considered when making a decision. For example, it might not be beneficial for a machine running Windows 98 whose EDAT logging indicates proper timing to upgrade to Windows XP. The hardware requirements for 2000/XP are significant and could affect a previously acceptable machine. There cannot be a blanket statement indicating that one operating system, hardware requirement, or paradigm requirement is better or worse since they are all unique. However, the emphasis would be to lean towards Windows XP because of its industry standard availability coupled with the support for updated sound and video drivers which would affect performance and compatibility. After an experiment is designed, reviewing the EDAT analysis from pilot subjects will certainly indicate if there are any timing variances that would need to be corrected nearly entirely on the basis of design (PreRelease, caching, layout, duration modulo refresh rate) or hardware requirements. Besides the verbose information in the Critical Timing Chapter, a simple review of OnsetDelay and OnsetTime to OnsetTime values between objects can ensure the machine and paradigm are performing as expected. Please continue to check the E-Prime e-mail listing as well as the E-Prime web site for updated information in regards to E-Prime and timing. Psychology Software Tools is currently performing updated timing tests with its own internal equipment in addition to analysis with the Black Box Toolkit (http://www.blackboxtoolkit.co.uk). Once the timing tests are completed, results will be posted on the PST web site with additional information to assist with timing precision for specific lab configurations. As of this writing, Psychology Software Tools intends to continue to support Windows 98 SE operating systems and later for both E-Prime 1.x and upcoming E-Prime 2.0 releases with at least baseline features for most paradigms even though Microsoft may formally pull support for those operating systems. There are a number of labs who will continue to have Windows 98/ME machines to run subjects for many years. I will also note that although Psychology Software Tools currently provides limited support for Windows XP 64-bit edition until formal testing is complete and any related issues are resolved. Only experiment design and testing should be attempted on Windows XP 64-bit edition at this point. E-Prime 1.2 is scheduled to address installation issues on Windows XP 64, but issues regarding timing, use of SRBOX and Port devices will remain outstanding until reviewed. Until that time, it is not recommended that Windows XP 64 be used for data collection. Psychology Software Tools will soon be formally releasing E-Prime 1.2. This is a minor release that will include all of the corrections and additions from the three service packs from E-Prime 1.1 with some other corrections and minor additions. Please note that this is not the well anticipated release of E-Prime 2.0. In the summer of 2005, Psychology Software Tools conducted a feature survey inviting everyone’s input for the next major release of E-Prime. PST was pleased with the response averaging hundreds of participants per hour in the first week of the survey’s availability. Besides the exceptional input in regards to feature requests, participants conveyed their concerns about ensuring timing accuracy. Many of the concerns unfortunately are founded in misguided information conveyed by the competitors of E-Prime. PST listened to the responses of the survey and is directing efforts to the areas that are important to our end users. This is one of the reasons the emphasis on timing related verification has taken priority recently. Thank you for supporting E-Prime! -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From leisha at decisionresearch.org Fri Oct 21 17:18:56 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:18:56 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <20051021153224.82283.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Mr. Cernicky. This is a great reply to my question & recap. Of course I read the entire Critical Timing Chapter to be sure I understood timing issues related to this software--we are looking for very small differences in reaction times. I am also using a port device, so I will steer clear of Windox XP 64 for now. Leisha Brandon Cernicky wrote: >Hi Leisha, > >Thanks for bringing your concerns to the attention of >the E-Prime mailing group. I first want to mention >that E-Prime 1.1 (build 1.1.4.1), which introduced the >ability to run on Windows 2000 and Windows XP was >formally released in October of 2002 and has been out >of beta testing for nearly three years. Although >there have been a number of service pack releases to >patch some minor bugs and add some minor features (see >the KB section on the E-Prime web support site for >those additions/corrections), you should find little >variation in regards to timing and other issues >between operating system runs. > >In forum postings and support requests sent to PST, >there have been a number of justified concerns about >timing and operating system versions. There are a >number of pro and con items to weigh including >paradigm requirements and (potentially more >importantly) the hardware of the machine performing >the paradigm. The truth of the matter is that there >is no “one size fits all” statement concerning the >acceptability of one version over another, and all of >these factors must be considered when making a >decision. For example, it might not be beneficial for >a machine running Windows 98 whose EDAT logging >indicates proper timing to upgrade to Windows XP. The >hardware requirements for 2000/XP are significant and >could affect a previously acceptable machine. There >cannot be a blanket statement indicating that one >operating system, hardware requirement, or paradigm >requirement is better or worse since they are all >unique. However, the emphasis would be to lean >towards Windows XP because of its industry standard >availability coupled with the support for updated >sound and video drivers which would affect performance >and compatibility. After an experiment is designed, >reviewing the EDAT analysis from pilot subjects will >certainly indicate if there are any timing variances >that would need to be corrected nearly entirely on the >basis of design (PreRelease, caching, layout, duration >modulo refresh rate) or hardware requirements. >Besides the verbose information in the Critical Timing >Chapter, a simple review of OnsetDelay and OnsetTime >to OnsetTime values between objects can ensure the >machine and paradigm are performing as expected. > >Please continue to check the E-Prime e-mail listing as >well as the E-Prime web site for updated information >in regards to E-Prime and timing. Psychology Software >Tools is currently performing updated timing tests >with its own internal equipment in addition to >analysis with the Black Box Toolkit >(http://www.blackboxtoolkit.co.uk). Once the timing >tests are completed, results will be posted on the PST >web site with additional information to assist with >timing precision for specific lab configurations. > >As of this writing, Psychology Software Tools intends >to continue to support Windows 98 SE operating systems >and later for both E-Prime 1.x and upcoming E-Prime >2.0 releases with at least baseline features for most >paradigms even though Microsoft may formally pull >support for those operating systems. There are a >number of labs who will continue to have Windows 98/ME >machines to run subjects for many years. I will also >note that although Psychology Software Tools currently >provides limited support for Windows XP 64-bit edition >until formal testing is complete and any related >issues are resolved. Only experiment design and >testing should be attempted on Windows XP 64-bit >edition at this point. E-Prime 1.2 is scheduled to >address installation issues on Windows XP 64, but >issues regarding timing, use of SRBOX and Port devices >will remain outstanding until reviewed. Until that >time, it is not recommended that Windows XP 64 be used >for data collection. > >Psychology Software Tools will soon be formally >releasing E-Prime 1.2. This is a minor release that >will include all of the corrections and additions from >the three service packs from E-Prime 1.1 with some >other corrections and minor additions. Please note >that this is not the well anticipated release of >E-Prime 2.0. In the summer of 2005, Psychology >Software Tools conducted a feature survey inviting >everyone’s input for the next major release of >E-Prime. PST was pleased with the response averaging >hundreds of participants per hour in the first week of >the survey’s availability. Besides the exceptional >input in regards to feature requests, participants >conveyed their concerns about ensuring timing >accuracy. Many of the concerns unfortunately are >founded in misguided information conveyed by the >competitors of E-Prime. PST listened to the responses >of the survey and is directing efforts to the areas >that are important to our end users. This is one of >the reasons the emphasis on timing related >verification has taken priority recently. > >Thank you for supporting E-Prime! > >-Brandon > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Brandon S. Cernicky >Senior Software Engineer >Psychology Software Tools > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From klesniewicz at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 14:54:46 2005 From: klesniewicz at hotmail.com (Kim Lesniewicz) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:54:46 -0500 Subject: Is cacheing necessary for data collection? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leisha at decisionresearch.org Mon Oct 24 19:01:45 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:01:45 -0700 Subject: Is cacheing necessary for data collection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Kim, I can't quickly find how to turn off caching in Windows XP. I would go to microsoft.com & use their knowledge base to find out how to make it stop. There are other ways to save memory in XP, too, like reducing resources allowed for virtual memory and turning off its built-in default ability to go back to a previous state. Basically you want XP to devote its resources to your experiment instead of to its own navel. I'm sure other folks in the maillist have experience with taming the XP beast. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Kim Lesniewicz wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running an experiment that contains large sound files on a Dell > Inspiron 8600 notebook. I am also collecting response times via > microphone. The experiment runs well until I've run it the second or > third time in a session, at which point it stops responding. I've > checked the memory resources, and when E-prime is running, it is using > 200,000 K of memory, so I think my problem has something to do with > that. My only option so far to continue the experiment is to abort > the experiment and pick up where we left off, which I'm sure affects > the results. > > I've gotten the OS system message: DRIVER_POWER_MEMORY_FAILURE, and > the screen also says to turn off cacheing if you have gotten this > message more than once. > > Does anyone know if I turn off cacheing on my computer, will I still > be able to collect data? Also, does anyone know how to turn off > cacheing? My only other solution would be to reboot the computer > between experiments, which would not be disruptive to the testing > session, but I don't know if this would do the trick. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kim Lesniewicz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows > Desktop Search-FREE! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpettib at siue.edu Tue Oct 25 17:21:06 2005 From: jpettib at siue.edu (Dr. Jon Pettibone) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <20051021153224.82283.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello- is it possible for a text object in a slide to reference a variable from a list object in a different procedure? Currently, my program is set up using one list object that contains the 20 sets of three stimuli I want to present, and I want to randomize the order in which I present the three stimuli on the screen at once. So, I thought I could have each set of stimuli reference another procedure that determines the order of the stimuli on the screen by randomly selecting one display procedure from three configurations. Problem is, how do I grab the stimulus values from the list that has referred me to the current list? This is a pretty easy thing to do in Pascal- how do I do it here? Thanks, Jon Pettibone Jonathan C. Pettibone Assistant Professor, Psychology Southern Illinois University Edwardsville Edwardsville, IL 62026 618-650-3346 " My lesson from Soros is to start every meeting at my boutique by convincing everyone that we are a bunch of idiots who know nothing and are mistake-prone, but happen to be endowed with the rare privilege of knowing it" - Nassim Nicholas Taleb From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 19:20:18 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:18 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <200510251721.j9PHL6hr020452@oitsmtpb1.isg.siue.edu> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Pettibone, I don't think you need to create another procedure, because you can nest block lists within each other. Of course you could create an attribute at a higher level than the procedure that runs your 20 sets times three stimuli, then that attribute wouldn't quit with the procedure, or write some in-line script to keep it going, but I randomize stimuli across different procedures by nesting a block list in the other lists that need to choose from it. Yes, it's very basic in Eprime. Create a list that just includes your three stimuli, set it to select randomly, then nest it in every other block list that needs to use it by entering its name in the Nested column. You'll see that new list appear in the structure just beneath each block list you associate it with. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Dr. Jon Pettibone wrote: >Hello- is it possible for a text object in a slide to reference a variable >from a list object in a different procedure? Currently, my program is set >up using one list object that contains the 20 sets of three stimuli I want >to present, and I want to randomize the order in which I present the three >stimuli on the screen at once. So, I thought I could have each set of >stimuli reference another procedure that determines the order of the stimuli >on the screen by randomly selecting one display procedure from three >configurations. Problem is, how do I grab the stimulus values from the list >that has referred me to the current list? This is a pretty easy thing to do >in Pascal- how do I do it here? Thanks, > > > Jon Pettibone > >Jonathan C. Pettibone >Assistant Professor, Psychology >Southern Illinois University Edwardsville >Edwardsville, IL 62026 >618-650-3346 > >" My lesson from Soros is to start every meeting at my boutique by >convincing everyone that we are a bunch of idiots who know nothing and are >mistake-prone, but happen to be endowed with the rare privilege of knowing >it" - Nassim Nicholas Taleb > > > > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 22:28:46 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:28:46 -0700 Subject: SoundOut problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, all, I searched the maillist & found my question asked a couple of times, but no answer to it. In discussions of using SoundOut objects, people seem able to get a sound from the computer, but I can't get that far. Either I'm on the wrong channel or I have mismatched or invalid block alignment. I eventually need the SoundOut object to run a variable sound, but for right now if I build a computer program with nothing in it but a dang sound, I can't get a sound. Why can't I just play a wav sound? How do I get the correct channel, the correct alignment? I don't have any advanced tools for figuring out what the settings of a sound are, aside from the Eprime diagnostic, and those diagnostics never work for me. What do I need to do? I'm stuck. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 23:29:41 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: SoundOut device problems In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB509A8B06A@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied so quickly with help on my SoundOut object problems. Come to find out, after learning much more about sounds than I really needed to know, that the computer I was using has a hardware problem. Even running the sample SoundRT.es that comes with Eprime, the computer freezes at the point where it is supposed to play a sound. Major frustration! I'm moving to a different computer and installing on a Windows XP machine. What do you think? Should I download an upgrade or a different version first? I have a CD that says 1.0.20.2, and I'm scared. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From sarah.seth at tpct.scot.nhs.uk Sat Oct 29 18:19:51 2005 From: sarah.seth at tpct.scot.nhs.uk (sarah seth) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:19:51 +0100 Subject: iowa gambling task Message-ID: I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa gambling task,i can get a zipped copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby advice? Thanks, Sarah Seth Sarah Seth SpR Centre for Child Health 19 Dudhope Terrace Dundee DD3 6HH 01382 204004 From randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Oct 29 19:03:51 2005 From: randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu (randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <1fa73020051f.20051f1fa730@tpct.scot.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Some time ago I had trouble unzipping some of those experiments. It turned out that they had been zipped in such a way that only Winzip could unzip them. Windows XP's native compressor/uncompressor could not. --Rich Anderson ---------Included Message---------- >Date: 29-Oct-2005 14:22:21 -0400 >From: "sarah seth" >To: "e-prime e-prime" >Subject: iowa gambling task > >I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa gambling task,i can get a zipped copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby advice? >Thanks, >Sarah Seth > >Sarah Seth >SpR >Centre for Child Health >19 Dudhope Terrace >Dundee >DD3 6HH >01382 204004 > > > > ---------End of Included Message---------- - Best regards, Richard Anderson From macw at mac.com Sat Oct 29 19:47:36 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:47:36 -0400 Subject: iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <1130612631-21607.014.26-smmsdV2.1.2@smtp.bgsu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Rich and Sarah, These files were zipped by Stuffit on a Mac, so it is possible there are some incompatibilities. However, I just now tried downloading them and unzipping them on a couple of XP machines that do not have WinZip and I had not problems. Actually, I interpreted Sarah's message as saying that she was able to unzip the file, but could not run it. It runs OK for me. The IowaGambling was named, somewhat confusingly, FourTokens, and I just now changed that on the .zip file to IowaGambling, although I didn't change the scripts themselves. --Brian MacWhinney (step.psy.cmu.edu maintainer) On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:03 PM, randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu wrote: > Some time ago I had trouble unzipping some of those experiments. It > turned out that they had been > zipped in such a way that only Winzip could unzip them. Windows > XP's native > compressor/uncompressor could not. > > --Rich Anderson > > ---------Included Message---------- > >> Date: 29-Oct-2005 14:22:21 -0400 >> From: "sarah seth" >> To: "e-prime e-prime" >> Subject: iowa gambling task >> >> I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa >> gambling task,i can get a zipped >> > copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby > advice? > >> Thanks, >> Sarah Seth >> >> Sarah Seth >> SpR >> Centre for Child Health >> 19 Dudhope Terrace >> Dundee >> DD3 6HH >> 01382 204004 >> >> >> >> >> > ---------End of Included Message---------- > > - > Best regards, > > Richard Anderson > > > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Sat Oct 29 21:36:42 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:36:42 -0700 Subject: Cumulative timing issue Message-ID: Hi, everyone, This problem is a little different from any I could find in the archives. I have a distraction task that must terminate after 10 seconds. It can run as many times as necessary, but must terminate after 10 seconds. One of two sounds is played randomly with replacement, with a wait of .5-1.5 seconds in between. Subjects respond to the sound by pushing one of two buttons. I think I want to check the cumulative time of the task after each button press, and terminate the procedure if it's > 10 seconds. Is that the correct approach? What is the simplest way to do this? Thanks, Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From tab2006 at med.cornell.edu Sun Oct 30 15:17:30 2005 From: tab2006 at med.cornell.edu (Tracy Butler) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:17:30 -0500 Subject: gsr In-Reply-To: <1fa73020051f.20051f1fa730@tpct.scot.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Hi. Would anyone be willing to tell me some options for eprime GSR experiments? I searched the archive and found questions but no answers. Do most people use a Biopac/Acknowledge system, or are there less expensive alternatives? I know how to have eprime send a signal to a separate GSR acquisition machine (to synch timing), but am wondering if a single computer could run both eprime and an Acknowledge-like program at the same time, or if there's some way to have eprime store GSR as a continuous response. I'm trying to minimize cost and maximize portability. Thanks for any help. Tracy From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:21:19 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:21:19 +0100 Subject: Cumulative timing issue In-Reply-To: <4363EB6A.3000302@decisionresearch.org> Message-ID: hi Leisha, Just set the 'exit list' property of the corresponding List object to terminate after 10 seconds. You can find this property on the Reset/Exit tab. best, Paul Groot Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam >From: Leisha Wharfield >To: 'E-Prime' >Subject: Cumulative timing issue >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:36:42 -0700 > >Hi, everyone, > >This problem is a little different from any I could find in the archives. I >have a distraction task that must terminate after 10 seconds. It can run as >many times as necessary, but must terminate after 10 seconds. One of two >sounds is played randomly with replacement, with a wait of .5-1.5 seconds >in between. Subjects respond to the sound by pushing one of two buttons. > >I think I want to check the cumulative time of the task after each button >press, and terminate the procedure if it's > 10 seconds. Is that the >correct approach? What is the simplest way to do this? > >Thanks, > >Leisha Wharfield >Decision Research >Eugene, Oregon, USA > > From avaughan at email.unc.edu Mon Oct 31 18:06:13 2005 From: avaughan at email.unc.edu (Leslie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:06:13 -0500 Subject: in-line code for rounding decimals Message-ID: Hi, We have feedback in a text display object instead of a feedback display object, and have written in-lines for calculating mean accuracy based on the number of trials in the block: 1) for the counter inline if numberdisplay.ACC=1 then counter=counter+1 Else counter=counter+0 end if 2) for the calculate inline c. setAttrib "meanacc", (counter / 15) * 100 c.setAttrib "sumcorr", counter E-prime is giving accuracy with 6 decimal places. What inline code can I use to get it to round to 2 decimal places? Thanks very much, Leslie Vaughan From pkieffab at indiana.edu Sat Oct 1 18:20:24 2005 From: pkieffab at indiana.edu (Paul Kieffaber) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:20:24 -0500 Subject: Respond using left or right {shift} key Message-ID: Can the left and right shift keys be differentiated when instructing Eprime about keyboard input? I see that {shift} works for both, but can you specify one or the other? Thanks in advance, Paul Paul D. Kieffaber Clinical & Cognitive Science Indiana University, Bloomington pkieffab at indiana.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This project is funded annually by DARPA. Send CV and statement of research interests to Drs. Walter Schneider, Greg Siegle, or Mark E. Wheeler by email to ebc at pitt.edu or by mail to the University of Pittsburgh, Learning Research and Development Center, 3939 O?Hara Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15260. See http:// www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ebc/ for more information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katzlb at upmc.edu Wed Oct 5 14:22:14 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:22:14 -0400 Subject: eprime question Message-ID: Dear List, I have been manually setting the duration of a slideobject (using Set Obj.Duration = #), and using timeaudit I'm finding about a 400ms error (it's set to cumulative timing, if that changes anything). Is this to be expected? Thanks From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 14:28:33 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:28:33 +0200 Subject: EPrime: Creating BrainVoyager PRT files Message-ID: Dear EPrime list Does anyone has an example macro or script to convert EPrime output to BrainVoyager .PRT files, and is willing to share it? Thank you very much in advance Paul Groot/Dirk Heslenfeld Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam From katzlb at upmc.edu Wed Oct 5 14:36:32 2005 From: katzlb at upmc.edu (Katz, Lena B.) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: timing issues Message-ID: Does cumulative timing not work with resetting the duration of an object on the fly? Is there any way of making this work? I've noticed some bugs when I try and reset the object before I run the procedure it is in (it appears that sometimes the object only appears for 3ms, instead of 3 seconds). I'd really like to be able to make this work, so any advice would be really appreciated! Lena From leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk Wed Oct 12 11:19:16 2005 From: leeh at biols.susx.ac.uk (Lee Hogarth) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:19:16 +0100 Subject: Voice key allowable option Message-ID: Dear all, Does anybody know the allowable option that selects the voice key input in the SR box from the numeric options 1-5. Many thanks. Lee Hogarth. From berner at psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de Wed Oct 12 13:20:54 2005 From: berner at psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de (Michael P. Berner) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:20:54 +0200 Subject: AW: Voice key allowable option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Lee, in the Serial Response Box Technical Manual it says: "A voice key trip looks just like a 3.5 millisecond duration press on key number 6." Hope that helps. kind regards -- michael ---------- Michael P. Berner Institut for Psychology III University of Wuerzburg Roentgenring 11 D-97070 Wuerzburg Tel: +49 931 31 2176 Fax: +49 931 31 2815 http://www.psychologie.uni-wuerzburg.de/i3pages/ > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] Im Auftrag von Lee Hogarth > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2005 13:19 > An: eprime at mail.talkbank.org > Betreff: Voice key allowable option > > Dear all, > > Does anybody know the allowable option that selects the voice > key input in the SR box from the numeric options 1-5. > > Many thanks. > > Lee Hogarth. > From rip5555 at ksu.edu Wed Oct 12 16:37:05 2005 From: rip5555 at ksu.edu (rip5555 at ksu.edu) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: Pre-Made Working Memory Measures for E-Prime Message-ID: Hey all! Does anybody know of any pre-made working memory measures that can be used with e-prime? If you do, could you e-mail me the names, etc.? My e-mail is rip5555 at ksu.edu - thanks a bunch - -Reed From macw at mac.com Wed Oct 12 16:41:31 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: Pre-Made Working Memory Measures for E-Prime In-Reply-To: <1129135025.434d3bb19f287@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: Reed, Have you taken a look at the materials at step.psy.cmu.edu under "Scripts Plus". If none of those are appropriate and you end up with something else, please send me a copy and I will add it there. --Brian MacWhinney, CMU On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:37 PM, rip5555 at ksu.edu wrote: > > Hey all! Does anybody know of any pre-made working memory measures > that > can be used with e-prime? If you do, could you e-mail me the names, > etc.? My e-mail is rip5555 at ksu.edu - thanks a bunch - > -Reed > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 18 01:43:48 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:43:48 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB509A8B06B@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: Hi, list, I'm writing an experiment now using the old Eprime for Windows 98. I hear the Windows 98 version of Eprime doesn't work very well on XP computers and the XP version is still in beta testing, but my PI has been advised to purchase new XP computers to run my Windows-98 Eprime experiment on, because her old computers are too "slow." How legitimate is this? Will there be problems going across operating systems? Yes, we're measuring response times. Thanks for any help. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From jae2924 at louisiana.edu Tue Oct 18 02:32:07 2005 From: jae2924 at louisiana.edu (Epstein Jody) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:32:07 -0500 Subject: totally novice question Message-ID: I have never programmed anything before, and now I am faced with writing a complete program. I have gone through the e-prime tutorial and I get that it's a very user-friendly interface, but I still have no clue about the actual language. Does anybody have any code already written that would tell a computer to tell an external peanut dispenser to dispense? We are using a standard peanut dispenser from Med Associates (model number not at hand, sorry) and connecting to the computer via a serial (printer) port. It needs to dispense at the very moment that the subject touches the correct area of the touch-screen. Any thoughts or helpful hints would be greatly appreciated! 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As far as >I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. > >Kind regards, > > From janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu Wed Oct 19 18:08:46 2005 From: janderson at tfs.psych.umn.edu (Jacob Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:08:46 -0500 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4356804C.5010200@decisionresearch.org> Message-ID: Leisha, We are currently using Win98 for our experiment presentation(Eyetracking, Autonomic Response, EEG, ERP data collections), and haven't run into too many problems. Generally, I have a gut feeling the Win98 is a bit less stable that XP, but I often wonder if Win98 might contribute to better timing and acurracy because the operating system itself is less demanding (no data to back this up, and probably isn't true). We have continued to use Win98 mainly because we use a Digital I/O card that gives us an extra 16 bits/triggers for communication from our E-Prime computer to our DAQ computer. Our Digital I/O has an emulation software feature that simplifies communication between the I/O card and E-Prime, but it is only compatable with Win98, and not WinXP. We will eventually have to switch over to WinXP at some point because Microsoft is not supporting Win98 any more, and I thought that E-Prime 2.0 wont run on earlier Windows versions. I would advise upgrading your computer to XP, if possible, because it is the industry standard Windows environment. My two cents, Jake On 19 Oct 2005 at 10:20, Leisha Wharfield wrote: > Great. Thanks for letting me know. What about programming using an XP > operating system? Any problems there? I'm still programming in Windows 98. > > Thanks, > > Leisha Wharfield > Decision Research > Eugene, Oregon USA > leisha at decisionresearch.org > > Jan Frederik L?ger wrote: > > >Hi Leisha, > > > >We run E-Prime version 1.1.4.1 on Windows XP without any problem. As far as > >I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. > > > >Kind regards, > > > > > Jacob E. Anderson Psychophysiologist Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research University of Minnesota 460N 75 East River Road Minneapolis, MN 55455 612-626-7790 "I have no lid upon my head, but if I did you could look inside and see what's on my mind" Dave Matthews From leisha at decisionresearch.org Wed Oct 19 19:35:47 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:35:47 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <4CCFAF32FB7B2C449A189C82198E426501261DFC@EXCHVS1.medctr.ad.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions regarding running experiments and programming experiments with Eprime on various Windows operating systems. The consensus is that Eprime 1.1 was designed to work with XP & does so very well, also that it's been out for a few years and is no longer in beta testing. One respondent shared my belief that Windows 98 is easier for Eprime to dominate completely (XP seems loaded with "processes" that are always running), allowing greater accuracy with time-critical measures. He also suggested that I could update my hardware, but wipe the newer OS & replace it with Windows 9X. Another respondent suggested that both programming the experiment and running it should be done in the same environment, to avoid introducing errors caused by inconsistencies between various OSs. I need to tightly control timing, so I still favor 98. But if tests for timing accuracy with Windows XP produce good results, I may go with XP. Thanks everyone. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA David Hairston wrote: >You should do all the programming in the same environment that it will be run in. Ideally on the same computer even, that way you can pre-assess all the timing etc and know exactly how it will work out at run time. >We do all our programming on XP w/o any problems. > > > >W. David Hairston >Neurobiology and Anatomy > >Wake Forest University School of Medicine >Winston-Salem, NC 27157 >(336) 716-4481 (lab) >http://www.wfubmc.edu/nba/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: eprime at mail.talkbank.org [mailto:eprime at mail.talkbank.org] On Behalf Of Leisha Wharfield >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:20 PM >To: Jan Frederik L?ger; eprime at mail.talkbank.org >Subject: Re: Eprime on Windows XP > >Great. Thanks for letting me know. What about programming using an XP operating system? Any problems there? I'm still programming in Windows 98. > >Thanks, > >Leisha Wharfield >Decision Research >Eugene, Oregon USA >leisha at decisionresearch.org > >Jan Frederik L?ger wrote: > > > >>Hi Leisha, >> >>We run E-Prime version 1.1.4.1 on Windows XP without any problem. As >>far as I know, this is not in beta testing anymore. >> >>Kind regards, >> >> >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 15:32:24 2005 From: brandon_cernicky at yahoo.com (Brandon Cernicky) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:32:24 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <29201.22237@mail.talkbank.org> Message-ID: Hi Leisha, Thanks for bringing your concerns to the attention of the E-Prime mailing group. I first want to mention that E-Prime 1.1 (build 1.1.4.1), which introduced the ability to run on Windows 2000 and Windows XP was formally released in October of 2002 and has been out of beta testing for nearly three years. Although there have been a number of service pack releases to patch some minor bugs and add some minor features (see the KB section on the E-Prime web support site for those additions/corrections), you should find little variation in regards to timing and other issues between operating system runs. In forum postings and support requests sent to PST, there have been a number of justified concerns about timing and operating system versions. There are a number of pro and con items to weigh including paradigm requirements and (potentially more importantly) the hardware of the machine performing the paradigm. The truth of the matter is that there is no ?one size fits all? statement concerning the acceptability of one version over another, and all of these factors must be considered when making a decision. For example, it might not be beneficial for a machine running Windows 98 whose EDAT logging indicates proper timing to upgrade to Windows XP. The hardware requirements for 2000/XP are significant and could affect a previously acceptable machine. There cannot be a blanket statement indicating that one operating system, hardware requirement, or paradigm requirement is better or worse since they are all unique. However, the emphasis would be to lean towards Windows XP because of its industry standard availability coupled with the support for updated sound and video drivers which would affect performance and compatibility. After an experiment is designed, reviewing the EDAT analysis from pilot subjects will certainly indicate if there are any timing variances that would need to be corrected nearly entirely on the basis of design (PreRelease, caching, layout, duration modulo refresh rate) or hardware requirements. Besides the verbose information in the Critical Timing Chapter, a simple review of OnsetDelay and OnsetTime to OnsetTime values between objects can ensure the machine and paradigm are performing as expected. Please continue to check the E-Prime e-mail listing as well as the E-Prime web site for updated information in regards to E-Prime and timing. Psychology Software Tools is currently performing updated timing tests with its own internal equipment in addition to analysis with the Black Box Toolkit (http://www.blackboxtoolkit.co.uk). Once the timing tests are completed, results will be posted on the PST web site with additional information to assist with timing precision for specific lab configurations. As of this writing, Psychology Software Tools intends to continue to support Windows 98 SE operating systems and later for both E-Prime 1.x and upcoming E-Prime 2.0 releases with at least baseline features for most paradigms even though Microsoft may formally pull support for those operating systems. There are a number of labs who will continue to have Windows 98/ME machines to run subjects for many years. I will also note that although Psychology Software Tools currently provides limited support for Windows XP 64-bit edition until formal testing is complete and any related issues are resolved. Only experiment design and testing should be attempted on Windows XP 64-bit edition at this point. E-Prime 1.2 is scheduled to address installation issues on Windows XP 64, but issues regarding timing, use of SRBOX and Port devices will remain outstanding until reviewed. Until that time, it is not recommended that Windows XP 64 be used for data collection. Psychology Software Tools will soon be formally releasing E-Prime 1.2. This is a minor release that will include all of the corrections and additions from the three service packs from E-Prime 1.1 with some other corrections and minor additions. Please note that this is not the well anticipated release of E-Prime 2.0. In the summer of 2005, Psychology Software Tools conducted a feature survey inviting everyone?s input for the next major release of E-Prime. PST was pleased with the response averaging hundreds of participants per hour in the first week of the survey?s availability. Besides the exceptional input in regards to feature requests, participants conveyed their concerns about ensuring timing accuracy. Many of the concerns unfortunately are founded in misguided information conveyed by the competitors of E-Prime. PST listened to the responses of the survey and is directing efforts to the areas that are important to our end users. This is one of the reasons the emphasis on timing related verification has taken priority recently. Thank you for supporting E-Prime! -Brandon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon S. Cernicky Senior Software Engineer Psychology Software Tools __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From leisha at decisionresearch.org Fri Oct 21 17:18:56 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:18:56 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <20051021153224.82283.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Mr. Cernicky. This is a great reply to my question & recap. Of course I read the entire Critical Timing Chapter to be sure I understood timing issues related to this software--we are looking for very small differences in reaction times. I am also using a port device, so I will steer clear of Windox XP 64 for now. Leisha Brandon Cernicky wrote: >Hi Leisha, > >Thanks for bringing your concerns to the attention of >the E-Prime mailing group. I first want to mention >that E-Prime 1.1 (build 1.1.4.1), which introduced the >ability to run on Windows 2000 and Windows XP was >formally released in October of 2002 and has been out >of beta testing for nearly three years. Although >there have been a number of service pack releases to >patch some minor bugs and add some minor features (see >the KB section on the E-Prime web support site for >those additions/corrections), you should find little >variation in regards to timing and other issues >between operating system runs. > >In forum postings and support requests sent to PST, >there have been a number of justified concerns about >timing and operating system versions. There are a >number of pro and con items to weigh including >paradigm requirements and (potentially more >importantly) the hardware of the machine performing >the paradigm. The truth of the matter is that there >is no ?one size fits all? statement concerning the >acceptability of one version over another, and all of >these factors must be considered when making a >decision. For example, it might not be beneficial for >a machine running Windows 98 whose EDAT logging >indicates proper timing to upgrade to Windows XP. The >hardware requirements for 2000/XP are significant and >could affect a previously acceptable machine. There >cannot be a blanket statement indicating that one >operating system, hardware requirement, or paradigm >requirement is better or worse since they are all >unique. However, the emphasis would be to lean >towards Windows XP because of its industry standard >availability coupled with the support for updated >sound and video drivers which would affect performance >and compatibility. After an experiment is designed, >reviewing the EDAT analysis from pilot subjects will >certainly indicate if there are any timing variances >that would need to be corrected nearly entirely on the >basis of design (PreRelease, caching, layout, duration >modulo refresh rate) or hardware requirements. >Besides the verbose information in the Critical Timing >Chapter, a simple review of OnsetDelay and OnsetTime >to OnsetTime values between objects can ensure the >machine and paradigm are performing as expected. > >Please continue to check the E-Prime e-mail listing as >well as the E-Prime web site for updated information >in regards to E-Prime and timing. Psychology Software >Tools is currently performing updated timing tests >with its own internal equipment in addition to >analysis with the Black Box Toolkit >(http://www.blackboxtoolkit.co.uk). Once the timing >tests are completed, results will be posted on the PST >web site with additional information to assist with >timing precision for specific lab configurations. > >As of this writing, Psychology Software Tools intends >to continue to support Windows 98 SE operating systems >and later for both E-Prime 1.x and upcoming E-Prime >2.0 releases with at least baseline features for most >paradigms even though Microsoft may formally pull >support for those operating systems. There are a >number of labs who will continue to have Windows 98/ME >machines to run subjects for many years. I will also >note that although Psychology Software Tools currently >provides limited support for Windows XP 64-bit edition >until formal testing is complete and any related >issues are resolved. Only experiment design and >testing should be attempted on Windows XP 64-bit >edition at this point. E-Prime 1.2 is scheduled to >address installation issues on Windows XP 64, but >issues regarding timing, use of SRBOX and Port devices >will remain outstanding until reviewed. Until that >time, it is not recommended that Windows XP 64 be used >for data collection. > >Psychology Software Tools will soon be formally >releasing E-Prime 1.2. This is a minor release that >will include all of the corrections and additions from >the three service packs from E-Prime 1.1 with some >other corrections and minor additions. Please note >that this is not the well anticipated release of >E-Prime 2.0. In the summer of 2005, Psychology >Software Tools conducted a feature survey inviting >everyone?s input for the next major release of >E-Prime. PST was pleased with the response averaging >hundreds of participants per hour in the first week of >the survey?s availability. Besides the exceptional >input in regards to feature requests, participants >conveyed their concerns about ensuring timing >accuracy. Many of the concerns unfortunately are >founded in misguided information conveyed by the >competitors of E-Prime. PST listened to the responses >of the survey and is directing efforts to the areas >that are important to our end users. This is one of >the reasons the emphasis on timing related >verification has taken priority recently. > >Thank you for supporting E-Prime! > >-Brandon > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Brandon S. Cernicky >Senior Software Engineer >Psychology Software Tools > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From klesniewicz at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 14:54:46 2005 From: klesniewicz at hotmail.com (Kim Lesniewicz) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:54:46 -0500 Subject: Is cacheing necessary for data collection? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leisha at decisionresearch.org Mon Oct 24 19:01:45 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:01:45 -0700 Subject: Is cacheing necessary for data collection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Kim, I can't quickly find how to turn off caching in Windows XP. I would go to microsoft.com & use their knowledge base to find out how to make it stop. There are other ways to save memory in XP, too, like reducing resources allowed for virtual memory and turning off its built-in default ability to go back to a previous state. Basically you want XP to devote its resources to your experiment instead of to its own navel. I'm sure other folks in the maillist have experience with taming the XP beast. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Kim Lesniewicz wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running an experiment that contains large sound files on a Dell > Inspiron 8600 notebook. I am also collecting response times via > microphone. The experiment runs well until I've run it the second or > third time in a session, at which point it stops responding. I've > checked the memory resources, and when E-prime is running, it is using > 200,000 K of memory, so I think my problem has something to do with > that. My only option so far to continue the experiment is to abort > the experiment and pick up where we left off, which I'm sure affects > the results. > > I've gotten the OS system message: DRIVER_POWER_MEMORY_FAILURE, and > the screen also says to turn off cacheing if you have gotten this > message more than once. > > Does anyone know if I turn off cacheing on my computer, will I still > be able to collect data? Also, does anyone know how to turn off > cacheing? My only other solution would be to reboot the computer > between experiments, which would not be disruptive to the testing > session, but I don't know if this would do the trick. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kim Lesniewicz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows > Desktop Search-FREE! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpettib at siue.edu Tue Oct 25 17:21:06 2005 From: jpettib at siue.edu (Dr. Jon Pettibone) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <20051021153224.82283.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello- is it possible for a text object in a slide to reference a variable from a list object in a different procedure? Currently, my program is set up using one list object that contains the 20 sets of three stimuli I want to present, and I want to randomize the order in which I present the three stimuli on the screen at once. So, I thought I could have each set of stimuli reference another procedure that determines the order of the stimuli on the screen by randomly selecting one display procedure from three configurations. Problem is, how do I grab the stimulus values from the list that has referred me to the current list? This is a pretty easy thing to do in Pascal- how do I do it here? Thanks, Jon Pettibone Jonathan C. Pettibone Assistant Professor, Psychology Southern Illinois University Edwardsville Edwardsville, IL 62026 618-650-3346 " My lesson from Soros is to start every meeting at my boutique by convincing everyone that we are a bunch of idiots who know nothing and are mistake-prone, but happen to be endowed with the rare privilege of knowing it" - Nassim Nicholas Taleb From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 19:20:18 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:18 -0700 Subject: Eprime on Windows XP recap In-Reply-To: <200510251721.j9PHL6hr020452@oitsmtpb1.isg.siue.edu> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Pettibone, I don't think you need to create another procedure, because you can nest block lists within each other. Of course you could create an attribute at a higher level than the procedure that runs your 20 sets times three stimuli, then that attribute wouldn't quit with the procedure, or write some in-line script to keep it going, but I randomize stimuli across different procedures by nesting a block list in the other lists that need to choose from it. Yes, it's very basic in Eprime. Create a list that just includes your three stimuli, set it to select randomly, then nest it in every other block list that needs to use it by entering its name in the Nested column. You'll see that new list appear in the structure just beneath each block list you associate it with. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA Dr. Jon Pettibone wrote: >Hello- is it possible for a text object in a slide to reference a variable >from a list object in a different procedure? Currently, my program is set >up using one list object that contains the 20 sets of three stimuli I want >to present, and I want to randomize the order in which I present the three >stimuli on the screen at once. So, I thought I could have each set of >stimuli reference another procedure that determines the order of the stimuli >on the screen by randomly selecting one display procedure from three >configurations. Problem is, how do I grab the stimulus values from the list >that has referred me to the current list? This is a pretty easy thing to do >in Pascal- how do I do it here? Thanks, > > > Jon Pettibone > >Jonathan C. Pettibone >Assistant Professor, Psychology >Southern Illinois University Edwardsville >Edwardsville, IL 62026 >618-650-3346 > >" My lesson from Soros is to start every meeting at my boutique by >convincing everyone that we are a bunch of idiots who know nothing and are >mistake-prone, but happen to be endowed with the rare privilege of knowing >it" - Nassim Nicholas Taleb > > > > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 22:28:46 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:28:46 -0700 Subject: SoundOut problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, all, I searched the maillist & found my question asked a couple of times, but no answer to it. In discussions of using SoundOut objects, people seem able to get a sound from the computer, but I can't get that far. Either I'm on the wrong channel or I have mismatched or invalid block alignment. I eventually need the SoundOut object to run a variable sound, but for right now if I build a computer program with nothing in it but a dang sound, I can't get a sound. Why can't I just play a wav sound? How do I get the correct channel, the correct alignment? I don't have any advanced tools for figuring out what the settings of a sound are, aside from the Eprime diagnostic, and those diagnostics never work for me. What do I need to do? I'm stuck. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From leisha at decisionresearch.org Tue Oct 25 23:29:41 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: SoundOut device problems In-Reply-To: <70C331795D9D6C43A1C81D9BA0A5BFB509A8B06A@1upmc-msx9.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied so quickly with help on my SoundOut object problems. Come to find out, after learning much more about sounds than I really needed to know, that the computer I was using has a hardware problem. Even running the sample SoundRT.es that comes with Eprime, the computer freezes at the point where it is supposed to play a sound. Major frustration! I'm moving to a different computer and installing on a Windows XP machine. What do you think? Should I download an upgrade or a different version first? I have a CD that says 1.0.20.2, and I'm scared. Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From sarah.seth at tpct.scot.nhs.uk Sat Oct 29 18:19:51 2005 From: sarah.seth at tpct.scot.nhs.uk (sarah seth) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:19:51 +0100 Subject: iowa gambling task Message-ID: I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa gambling task,i can get a zipped copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby advice? Thanks, Sarah Seth Sarah Seth SpR Centre for Child Health 19 Dudhope Terrace Dundee DD3 6HH 01382 204004 From randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Oct 29 19:03:51 2005 From: randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu (randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <1fa73020051f.20051f1fa730@tpct.scot.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Some time ago I had trouble unzipping some of those experiments. It turned out that they had been zipped in such a way that only Winzip could unzip them. Windows XP's native compressor/uncompressor could not. --Rich Anderson ---------Included Message---------- >Date: 29-Oct-2005 14:22:21 -0400 >From: "sarah seth" >To: "e-prime e-prime" >Subject: iowa gambling task > >I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa gambling task,i can get a zipped copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby advice? >Thanks, >Sarah Seth > >Sarah Seth >SpR >Centre for Child Health >19 Dudhope Terrace >Dundee >DD3 6HH >01382 204004 > > > > ---------End of Included Message---------- - Best regards, Richard Anderson From macw at mac.com Sat Oct 29 19:47:36 2005 From: macw at mac.com (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:47:36 -0400 Subject: iowa gambling task In-Reply-To: <1130612631-21607.014.26-smmsdV2.1.2@smtp.bgsu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Rich and Sarah, These files were zipped by Stuffit on a Mac, so it is possible there are some incompatibilities. However, I just now tried downloading them and unzipping them on a couple of XP machines that do not have WinZip and I had not problems. Actually, I interpreted Sarah's message as saying that she was able to unzip the file, but could not run it. It runs OK for me. The IowaGambling was named, somewhat confusingly, FourTokens, and I just now changed that on the .zip file to IowaGambling, although I didn't change the scripts themselves. --Brian MacWhinney (step.psy.cmu.edu maintainer) On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:03 PM, randers at bgnet.bgsu.edu wrote: > Some time ago I had trouble unzipping some of those experiments. It > turned out that they had been > zipped in such a way that only Winzip could unzip them. Windows > XP's native > compressor/uncompressor could not. > > --Rich Anderson > > ---------Included Message---------- > >> Date: 29-Oct-2005 14:22:21 -0400 >> From: "sarah seth" >> To: "e-prime e-prime" >> Subject: iowa gambling task >> >> I would be grateful for some advice on how to unzip the iowa >> gambling task,i can get a zipped >> > copy from the site but when i unzip it i cannot get it to run, aby > advice? > >> Thanks, >> Sarah Seth >> >> Sarah Seth >> SpR >> Centre for Child Health >> 19 Dudhope Terrace >> Dundee >> DD3 6HH >> 01382 204004 >> >> >> >> >> > ---------End of Included Message---------- > > - > Best regards, > > Richard Anderson > > > > From leisha at decisionresearch.org Sat Oct 29 21:36:42 2005 From: leisha at decisionresearch.org (Leisha Wharfield) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:36:42 -0700 Subject: Cumulative timing issue Message-ID: Hi, everyone, This problem is a little different from any I could find in the archives. I have a distraction task that must terminate after 10 seconds. It can run as many times as necessary, but must terminate after 10 seconds. One of two sounds is played randomly with replacement, with a wait of .5-1.5 seconds in between. Subjects respond to the sound by pushing one of two buttons. I think I want to check the cumulative time of the task after each button press, and terminate the procedure if it's > 10 seconds. Is that the correct approach? What is the simplest way to do this? Thanks, Leisha Wharfield Decision Research Eugene, Oregon, USA From tab2006 at med.cornell.edu Sun Oct 30 15:17:30 2005 From: tab2006 at med.cornell.edu (Tracy Butler) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:17:30 -0500 Subject: gsr In-Reply-To: <1fa73020051f.20051f1fa730@tpct.scot.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Hi. Would anyone be willing to tell me some options for eprime GSR experiments? I searched the archive and found questions but no answers. Do most people use a Biopac/Acknowledge system, or are there less expensive alternatives? I know how to have eprime send a signal to a separate GSR acquisition machine (to synch timing), but am wondering if a single computer could run both eprime and an Acknowledge-like program at the same time, or if there's some way to have eprime store GSR as a continuous response. I'm trying to minimize cost and maximize portability. Thanks for any help. Tracy From pauls_postbus at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:21:19 2005 From: pauls_postbus at hotmail.com (Paul Gr) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:21:19 +0100 Subject: Cumulative timing issue In-Reply-To: <4363EB6A.3000302@decisionresearch.org> Message-ID: hi Leisha, Just set the 'exit list' property of the corresponding List object to terminate after 10 seconds. You can find this property on the Reset/Exit tab. best, Paul Groot Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam >From: Leisha Wharfield >To: 'E-Prime' >Subject: Cumulative timing issue >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:36:42 -0700 > >Hi, everyone, > >This problem is a little different from any I could find in the archives. I >have a distraction task that must terminate after 10 seconds. It can run as >many times as necessary, but must terminate after 10 seconds. One of two >sounds is played randomly with replacement, with a wait of .5-1.5 seconds >in between. Subjects respond to the sound by pushing one of two buttons. > >I think I want to check the cumulative time of the task after each button >press, and terminate the procedure if it's > 10 seconds. Is that the >correct approach? What is the simplest way to do this? > >Thanks, > >Leisha Wharfield >Decision Research >Eugene, Oregon, USA > > From avaughan at email.unc.edu Mon Oct 31 18:06:13 2005 From: avaughan at email.unc.edu (Leslie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:06:13 -0500 Subject: in-line code for rounding decimals Message-ID: Hi, We have feedback in a text display object instead of a feedback display object, and have written in-lines for calculating mean accuracy based on the number of trials in the block: 1) for the counter inline if numberdisplay.ACC=1 then counter=counter+1 Else counter=counter+0 end if 2) for the calculate inline c. setAttrib "meanacc", (counter / 15) * 100 c.setAttrib "sumcorr", counter E-prime is giving accuracy with 6 decimal places. What inline code can I use to get it to round to 2 decimal places? Thanks very much, Leslie Vaughan