From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:00:04 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:00:04 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.090004.0700.>

Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
the same message. Any thoughts?

Windows Vista
E-prime 2.0.8.22
G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
DirectX 10

I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
Thanks for any help.
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  1 16:15:33 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:15:33 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.121533.0400.>

Luna,

>Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
>Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
>plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
>program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
>get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
>quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
>the same message. Any thoughts?
>
>Windows Vista

Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.

>E-prime 2.0.8.22
>G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
>DirectX 10
>
>I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
>the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
>Thanks for any help.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From tomonori.nagano at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 16:17:25 2008
From: tomonori.nagano at gmail.com (Tomonori Nagano)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.121725.0400.>

Hi,

Our lab has just implemented the E-prime experiment with video stimuli.
After many trials and errors, we figured that divx is the easiest (and
error-free) video format for the current version of the e-prime. In most
cases, the problem was caused by the inappropriate codec on the machine or
by the insufficient RAM.

We used Mac i-Movie & divx converter to edit the movie clips and installed
some codec on Windows (Vista).
I could share the detailed procedure, if you are interested.

Tomonori
tnagano at gc.cuny.edu



On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Luna <lunakick at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> Windows Vista
> E-prime 2.0.8.22
> G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> DirectX 10
>
> I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> Thanks for any help.
> >
>

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From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:38:08 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:38:08 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
In-Reply-To: <486a583e.35e3220a.0582.ffffc223SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.093808.0700.>

Dear David,

I've gotten my old computer (running XP) out and it works. Thanks for
that. -Luna

On Jul 1, 5:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Luna,
>
> >Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> >Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> >plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> >program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> >get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> >quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> >the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> >Windows Vista
>
> Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.
>
> >E-prime 2.0.8.22
> >G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> >DirectX 10
>
> >I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> >the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> >Thanks for any help.
>
> -- DeDavid McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:53:17 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:53:17 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
In-Reply-To: <486a583e.35e3220a.0582.ffffc223SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.095317.0700.>

David,

One other thing... I've tried to run e-studio and e-run in Windows
compatibility mode - XP service pack 2. That didn't work for some
reason. Is it possible to do this? Are there options I should turn on/
off to make this work?

Thanks, again.
-Luna

On Jul 1, 5:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Luna,
>
> >Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> >Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> >plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> >program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> >get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> >quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> >the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> >Windows Vista
>
> Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.
>
> >E-prime 2.0.8.22
> >G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> >DirectX 10
>
> >I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> >the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> >Thanks for any help.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  1 17:02:49 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:02:49 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
In-Reply-To: <020cc9b3-b4f9-4e78-be61-4e831b5504fb@k37g2000hsf.googlegro
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.130249.0400.>

Luna,

>One other thing... I've tried to run e-studio and e-run in Windows
>compatibility mode - XP service pack 2. That didn't work for some
>reason. Is it possible to do this? Are there options I should turn on/
>off to make this work?

Gosh, I have never used E-Prime in Windows compatibility 
mode.  Perhaps someone else on the mailing list can help here.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:23:20 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:23:20 -0700
Subject: Mouse input: Problem with defining response areas on screen
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.122320.0700.>

Dear E-primers,

I'm stuck with an inline script and I hope there's someone
who is willing to help me with this.

One of the tasks I'm programming in E-prime is the following:

-Consists of 8 main blocks of 12 trials each.

-In addition, there's 1 block with only 3 practice trials.

-On each trial, people have to make a choice between 4 response
alternatives: UpperLeft, UpperRight, BottomLeft, BottomRight. These
locations correspond to an image sub-object in each corner of the
screen.

-At the moment, all the blocks are set on keyboard with 1 (UL), 2
(UR), 3 (BL) and 4(BR) as responses, except for the first block which
I'm trying to switch on mouse-input.

-In the end, I want to change all blocks in mouse-input (at the very
end, I will have to emulate into touch screen mode).

-During the first block only, all four pictures/image sub-objects are
correct (people have to choose their favourite picture); on the rest
of the 7 blocks, only one of the pictures will be correct. I'm
assuming that different inline scripts will be necessary.

Using the script, the programme runs. However, the responses on each
trial are not logged properly (it states: "1" which corresponds to the
left mouse-button click, I assume) and wherever I click on the screen,
I can proceed to the next trial (as opposed to only clicking on the
image sub-objects), so clicks outside the image-sub objects are
accepted as responses.

How can I solve these problems? I would be very grateful if someone
could advice me,
I have to implement this in many other tasks.
Many thanks in advance!

Greetings,
Dina
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:29:09 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:29:09 -0400
Subject: Mouse input: Problem with defining response areas on screen
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.152909.0400.>

the key to your problem is "HitTest".  look for that in Help>E-Basic Help.
basically, HitTest checks to see whether a mouse click occurred on an object
or not.  you could then use a "Select Case" dealy in your inline to respond
differently depending which object (or none) is clicked.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Dina <deedeevau at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear E-primers,
>
> I'm stuck with an inline script and I hope there's someone
> who is willing to help me with this.
>
> One of the tasks I'm programming in E-prime is the following:
>
> -Consists of 8 main blocks of 12 trials each.
>
> -In addition, there's 1 block with only 3 practice trials.
>
> -On each trial, people have to make a choice between 4 response
> alternatives: UpperLeft, UpperRight, BottomLeft, BottomRight. These
> locations correspond to an image sub-object in each corner of the
> screen.
>
> -At the moment, all the blocks are set on keyboard with 1 (UL), 2
> (UR), 3 (BL) and 4(BR) as responses, except for the first block which
> I'm trying to switch on mouse-input.
>
> -In the end, I want to change all blocks in mouse-input (at the very
> end, I will have to emulate into touch screen mode).
>
> -During the first block only, all four pictures/image sub-objects are
> correct (people have to choose their favourite picture); on the rest
> of the 7 blocks, only one of the pictures will be correct. I'm
> assuming that different inline scripts will be necessary.
>
> Using the script, the programme runs. However, the responses on each
> trial are not logged properly (it states: "1" which corresponds to the
> left mouse-button click, I assume) and wherever I click on the screen,
> I can proceed to the next trial (as opposed to only clicking on the
> image sub-objects), so clicks outside the image-sub objects are
> accepted as responses.
>
> How can I solve these problems? I would be very grateful if someone
> could advice me,
> I have to implement this in many other tasks.
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Greetings,
> Dina
> >
>

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From annh_22 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 07:49:40 2008
From: annh_22 at yahoo.com (ms)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:49:40 -0700
Subject: Code to enable input from a Serial Response Button Box
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Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.004940.0700.>

Dear David,

Thanks a lot for your suggestions and advice. One more solution
someone else pointed out was that I should rebut my computer before
trying anything else.
Thanks again for your help.


On Jun 30, 7:31 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> At 6/30/2008 10:40 AM Monday, you wrote:
>
> >Following my previous email, I can now see and select the serial
> >response button box, but when I try to run the experiment I get the
> >following error message:
>
> >Run-time Error (Line 351)
> >10051: An error occurred while attempting to open the device
>
> >Error: 0x00004a49
> >Message: 'Unable to open the SRBOX: 0x00000005
>
> >The SRBox Device Driver may not be installed'
>
> >I do not know where this problem results from. Any suggestions would
> >be much appreciated.
>
> With a message like that, the first thing I would do is to install
> the SRBox device driver.  If you cannot find the installation program
> on your E-Prime CD, download it from the Misc section of the PST
> Download Area,http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/download.asp?Type=Misc
> (you will have to login).  Better yet, just reinstall E-Prime from
> scratch and make sure that you install the SRBox driver when asked.
>
> Beyond that, make sure that the E-Prime settings for port, baud rate,
> and CPS match those of your SRBox.  Then, according to my SRBox
> manual (I have never used a microphone myself), the voice key should
> appear as button 6.  Finally, make sure your microphone is compatible
> with the SRBox, e.g., see the PST Forum thread athttp://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic395-8-1.aspx.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
>
>
> >On Jun 30, 11:02 am, ms <annh... at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dear all,
>
> > > I would like to collect RTs through a microphone that is connected to
> > > a serial response button box. I was told that I need to use a code
> > > (script?) to be able toenablethe button box as aninputdevice for
> > > the appearing image I want the response to be given to. Could you
> > > please suggest a way to do that?
>
> > > Thanks in advance!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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From shwetakumar at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 18:34:00 2008
From: shwetakumar at gmail.com (skumar)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:34:00 -0700
Subject: Keyboard response options
Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.113400.0700.>

Hi all,

I'm designing a task in which the subject, when presented with choices
a and b on a screen, should choose one of them. The keyboard responses
I'm currently using are 'm' for choice a and 'z' for choice b. Is
there any way I can use the left and right control (ctrl) keys
instead?

Shweta
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 19:45:39 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:45:39 -0400
Subject: Keyboard response options
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Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.154539.0400.>

i don't think you can distinguish one CTRL from the other, but i may be
wrong...
you could also use the left and right arrow keys, though they're spaced
pretty close together...

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:34 PM, skumar <shwetakumar at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm designing a task in which the subject, when presented with choices
> a and b on a screen, should choose one of them. The keyboard responses
> I'm currently using are 'm' for choice a and 'z' for choice b. Is
> there any way I can use the left and right control (ctrl) keys
> instead?
>
> Shweta
> >
>

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From yanhyu at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 03:35:34 2008
From: yanhyu at gmail.com (Yan Yu)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:35:34 -0400
Subject: sending uneven numbers of tags
Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.233534.0400.>

Dear E-primers,

In my experiment, I have to present sentences auditorily, and asking eprime
to send tags to netstation. The number of tags in each sentence varies from
zero to four. Right now, if a sentence has less than the maximum number of
tags, I am using a dummy cell number to represent all the rest of the unreal
cells. That is, if a sentence has only two words that I need to tag, then I
am assigning  cellnumber3 and cellnumber4 the same cellnumber "99" twice,
 and put the time as the end of sentence. Therefore, I have a lot of
cellnumber 99. I got a huge delay in my experiment, and wonder if it is
related to too many tags at the same time point.
My question is: Is there a simple way to handle this uneven number of tags ?

My second question is: how to decrease the delays in eprime and netstation?

Thanks a lot

Yan

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From asjharmon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:10:16 2008
From: asjharmon at gmail.com (Amanda)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:10:16 -0700
Subject: Change detection experiment
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.081016.0700.>

Hello, I was wondering if anyone had a change detection experiment
they would be willing to share.

I am working on an experiment involving visual working memory (e.g.,
Vogel, Woodman & Luck, 2001) and I am trying to figure out how to
organize a change detection experiment. It would be very helpful to be
able to look at an example.

Thank you for your time

Amanda
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From jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:49:49 2008
From: jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com (jongretar)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:49:49 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.084949.0700.>

Hi E-Primers,

I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:

A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
500 ms ISI
Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.

I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?

Thanks a million,
Jón
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 20:32:50 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:32:50 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
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Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.133250.0700.>

The delay part is not really that complicated depending on what method
you are using to display your stimulus and comparisons.  Since I don't
know exactly how your experiment is implemented I can only give you a
few ideas of the different methodologies.

1) Sleep(nTime)   'placed in an InLine script the script will hang for
the msec duration of nTime
2) Clock.Read 'returns a value in msec of the session duration I
believe
3) You can of course alter the duration of an image display in the
properties window for an Image Display
4) You can put in a wait object with a specified duration.

Whatever you're doing, you don't want to clear the stimulus canvas
until you want it to disappear so Clear After should be No.

Hope that helps, if not a few more specifics would allow a better
response.

On Jul 7, 11:49 am, jongretar <jon.sigurjons... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi E-Primers,
>
> I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
> Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:
>
> A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
> 500 ms ISI
> Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
> till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
> The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
> the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
> sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.
>
> I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
> delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks a million,
> Jón
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From clarkea at upmc.edu  Mon Jul  7 19:43:02 2008
From: clarkea at upmc.edu (biometricsassistant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:43:02 -0700
Subject: Jump Back?
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I know that you can get a program to jump to a later part of an
experiment, but is there a way to get it to jump back?
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From passow at mpib-berlin.mpg.de  Tue Jul  8 08:18:20 2008
From: passow at mpib-berlin.mpg.de (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:18:20 -0700
Subject: variation of presentation mode
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.011820.0700.>

Dear all,
Does anybody knows how to vary the presentation mode of auditory
stimuli? I would like to present the stimuli either to the left or
right ear. Thank you very much for your help.
Cheers
Susanne
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  8 14:26:50 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:26:50 -0400
Subject: variation of presentation mode
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Susanne,

>Does anybody knows how to vary the presentation mode of auditory
>stimuli? I would like to present the stimuli either to the left or
>right ear. Thank you very much for your help.

Have you tried the Pan Control for your SoundOut object?  It looks 
like you can control that through an attrribute reference, otherwise 
you might need to use script, see the SoundBuffer topic in the 
E-Basic online help.

Alternatively, you could use separate stereo files for the stimuli, 
where the file itself has just the left channel, right channel, or 
some combination.

Hope this helps,
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From jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 15:05:38 2008
From: jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com (jongretar)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:05:38 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
In-Reply-To: <976db45c-f3e1-428f-b3bf-3a44f08931a1@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.080538.0700.>

Hi, thanks for that. I'll give it a go and if it won't work I'll post
some more specific descriptions of the task.

On Jul 7, 9:32 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> The delay part is not really that complicated depending on what method
> you are using to display your stimulus and comparisons.  Since I don't
> know exactly how your experiment is implemented I can only give you a
> few ideas of the different methodologies.
>
> 1) Sleep(nTime)   'placed in an InLine script the script will hang for
> the msec duration of nTime
> 2) Clock.Read 'returns a value in msec of the session duration I
> believe
> 3) You can of course alter the duration of an image display in the
> properties window for an Image Display
> 4) You can put in a wait object with a specified duration.
>
> Whatever you're doing, you don't want to clear the stimulus canvas
> until you want it to disappear so Clear After should be No.
>
> Hope that helps, if not a few more specifics would allow a better
> response.
>
> On Jul 7, 11:49 am, jongretar <jon.sigurjons... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi E-Primers,
>
> > I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
> > Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:
>
> > A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
> > 500 ms ISI
> > Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
> > till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
> > The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
> > the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
> > sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.
>
> > I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
> > delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?
>
> > Thanks a million,
> > Jón
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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 20:11:11 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:11:11 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.131111.0700.>

What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:

MAIN 		WORD2 		WORD3

bored		board		beard
cede 		seed 		seen
sell 			cell 			call
cent 			sent  		seat

I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.

For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:

StimA 	StimB

bored	beard
cede 	seed
sell 		cell
cent 		seat

Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 14:43:40 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:43:40 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
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Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.074340.0700.>

There are a couple different ways you could do this.

The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
done.

On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
> What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
>
> bored           board           beard
> cede            seed            seen
> sell                    cell                    call
> cent                    sent            seat
>
> I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> StimA   StimB
>
> bored   beard
> cede    seed
> sell            cell
> cent            seat
>
> Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 15:31:43 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:31:43 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
In-Reply-To: <27349e75-4617-4afd-b7b6-0383f03cdbdb@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.083143.0700.>

Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.

Sorry if I am not explaining this well.

On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> done.
>
> On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
>
> > bored           board           beard
> > cede            seed            seen
> > sell                    cell                    call
> > cent                    sent            seat
>
> > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > StimA   StimB
>
> > bored   beard
> > cede    seed
> > sell            cell
> > cent            seat
>
> > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 16:41:11 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:41:11 -0400
Subject: Show random attribute from list
In-Reply-To: <1d7c43eb-650c-43d1-bd10-5a7c50f1db40@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.124111.0400.>

you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.

first, the columns:
column 1 = FirstWord
column 2 = SecondWord
under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
under SecondWord write [Word2]

now the rows:
both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB

in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2

add all you main words to the column, Word1
and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
WordListB, respectively.

set all the lists to select at random.

this should do it.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmerobot at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
> >
> > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > done.
> >
> > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
> >
> > > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
> >
> > > bored           board           beard
> > > cede            seed            seen
> > > sell                    cell                    call
> > > cent                    sent            seat
> >
> > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
> >
> > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
> >
> > > StimA   StimB
> >
> > > bored   beard
> > > cede    seed
> > > sell            cell
> > > cent            seat
> >
> > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
> >
>

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From shinyi.fang at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 17:32:03 2008
From: shinyi.fang at gmail.com (ShinYi)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:32:03 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
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Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.103203.0700.>

Hi,

I am not sure if I understood this correctly. However, there might be
two
problems in this procedure. 1. The MAIN word might not match the
corresponding WORD2/WORD3. 2. This can not prevent both homophone
pairs
presented in the experiment.

The procedure I have in mind is two level nested lists.
First nested list has one column, SELECTWORD and two rows, [WORD2] and
[WORD3].
Second nested list will be nested in the first nested list. It has two
columns, WORD2 and WORD3. They are homophone pairs.
In this way, the first nested list will select either one of the
homophone
pairs and the second nested list will provide the stimuli.

FYI,

Shin-Yi



On Jul 10, 12:41 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.
>
> first, the columns:
> column 1 = FirstWord
> column 2 = SecondWord
> under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
> under SecondWord write [Word2]
>
> now the rows:
> both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
> row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
> row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB
>
> in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
> in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2
>
> add all you main words to the column, Word1
> and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
> WordListB, respectively.
>
> set all the lists to select at random.
>
> this should do it.
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> > clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> > WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> > WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> > WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> > were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> > Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> > On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> > > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > > list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> > > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > > to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > > done.
>
> > > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > > > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
>
> > > > bored           board           beard
> > > > cede            seed            seen
> > > > sell                    cell                    call
> > > > cent                    sent            seat
>
> > > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > > > StimA   StimB
>
> > > > bored   beard
> > > > cede    seed
> > > > sell            cell
> > > > cent            seat
>
> > > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 18:38:26 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:38:26 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.113826.0700.>

Hi E-primers,

I have the following problem with the inline and I hope someone can
help me:
I'm using the DoHitTest inline for my task and have defined the
response areas for
mouse input. The inline script works fine for other "normal" Slide-
objects with one state, but when I need to apply this script on Slide-
objects with multiple SlideStates, it goes awry.

In my task, my Slide-object "Motor" consists of 4 SlideStates ("UL"
"UR" "BL" "BR").
The problem I assume is in the first part of the script, and when I
look at the notepad file
to see how my responses are logged, only for the "UL" SlideState are
the responses logged
properly, but this does not happen for the other SlideStates "UR",
"BL" and "BR".

How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?

Many thanks in advance,
Dina


DoHitTest-Inline script:

'Designate "theState" as the Default Slide State, which is the
'current, ActiveState on the Slide object "Stimulus"

Dim theState as SlideState
Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")

Dim strHit As String

Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData

'Was there a response?
If Motor.InputMasks.Responses.Count > 0 Then

'Get the mouse response

Set theMouseResponseData =
CMouseResponseData(Motor.InputMasks.Responses(1))

'Determine string name of SlideImage or SlideText
'object at mouse click coordinates.
'Assign that value to strHit

strHit = theState.HitTest(theMouseResponseData.CursorX,
theMouseResponseData.CursorY)

Select Case strHit

Case "UpperLeft"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 1
Case "UpperRight"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 2
Case "BottomLeft"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 3
Case "BottomRight"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 4
Case Else
	Goto Label3

End Select

'Compare string name where mouse click occurred to
'CorrectAnswer attribute on each trial, and score
'response
'NOTE: This comparison is case sensitive

	If strHit = c.GetAttrib ("CorrectAnswer") Then
		Motor.ACC = 1
	Else
		Motor.ACC = 0
	End If

End If

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Mon Jul 14 18:52:44 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:52:44 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Dina,

>How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
>matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?

Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not 
used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on 
my understanding I would say the problem is with

>Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")

since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try

Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)

and see if that helps.

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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 19:41:13 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:41:13 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <487ba081.01e5220a.5ec7.5c91SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.124113.0700.>

Hi David,

Thanks for your suggestion!
I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
responses appropriately.
I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.

This is what the output says:

Trial 1

CorrectAnswer: 1
StateName: UL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 2

CorrectAnswer: 3
StateName: BL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 3

CorrectAnswer: 2
StateName: UR
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
I'm not sure how this can be solved.

Dina

David McFarlane wrote:
> Dina,
>
> >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
>
> Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> my understanding I would say the problem is with
>
> >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
>
> since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
>
> Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
>
> and see if that helps.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 19:52:22 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:52:22 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideState
In-Reply-To: <bb4c53ee-977c-4424-ad25-753ba2a71242@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.155222.0400.>

if you're responding with a mouse, and clicking the left button, i believe
all your responses will be '1'.  you may need to set up a script to assign a
value to Motor.ACC depending on the results of your HitTest.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dina <deedeevau at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion!
> I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
> responses appropriately.
> I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.
>
> This is what the output says:
>
> Trial 1
>
> CorrectAnswer: 1
> StateName: UL
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> Trial 2
>
> CorrectAnswer: 3
> StateName: BL
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> Trial 3
>
> CorrectAnswer: 2
> StateName: UR
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
> I'm not sure how this can be solved.
>
> Dina
>
> David McFarlane wrote:
> > Dina,
> >
> > >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> > >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
> >
> > Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> > used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> > my understanding I would say the problem is with
> >
> > >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
> >
> > since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
> >
> > Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
> >
> > and see if that helps.
> >
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
> >
>

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From scampbell at casl.umd.edu  Mon Jul 14 20:15:42 2008
From: scampbell at casl.umd.edu (Susan G. Campbell)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:15:42 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <bb4c53ee-977c-4424-ad25-753ba2a71242@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.161542.0400.>

Hi Dina,

I'll take a wild guess here, based on your code sample and answers.  I
think David probably solved the SlideState problem, and this is
something else. I'm a little rusty at debugging other people's E-Basic,
so I may be way off.  From this code snippet:

	Select Case strHit

	Case "UpperLeft"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 1
	Case "UpperRight"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 2
	Case "BottomLeft"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 3
	Case "BottomRight"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 4
	Case Else
		Goto Label3

	End Select

It looks like what you're setting based on what the participant hits
isn't Motor.RESP but CorrectAnswer -- so it's changing the correct
answer based on what the participant answers, and not setting Motor.RESP
to anything (so it'll always be 1, corresponding to the left mouse
button as Ben said).  

Then in your comparison, you're comparing strHit (which is, I'm guessing
based on your case statement above, a string with content like
"UpperLeft") to CorrectAnswer (which is a number).  That's always going
to be false.  I'm not sure why CorrectAnswer isn't the name of the
object they should click on, but that's what this comparison assumes is
going on:

If strHit = c.GetAttrib ("CorrectAnswer") Then
		Motor.ACC = 1
	Else
		Motor.ACC = 0
	End If

You should be able to verify the content of these variables with the
judicious use of Debug.Print, though.  

Hope this helps,
Susan

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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:41 PM
To: E-Prime
Subject: Re: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates


Hi David,

Thanks for your suggestion!
I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
responses appropriately.
I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.

This is what the output says:

Trial 1

CorrectAnswer: 1
StateName: UL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 2

CorrectAnswer: 3
StateName: BL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 3

CorrectAnswer: 2
StateName: UR
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
I'm not sure how this can be solved.

Dina

David McFarlane wrote:
> Dina,
>
> >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
>
> Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> my understanding I would say the problem is with
>
> >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
>
> since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
>
> Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
>
> and see if that helps.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 23:58:01 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:58:01 -0700
Subject: baby question
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.165801.0700.>

Hi
I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
way of doing this?

Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
task at the end of the word presentation.

Any help is more than welcome  :)

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From neurodrum at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 00:08:55 2008
From: neurodrum at gmail.com (andrew)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:08:55 -0700
Subject: ExpressCard parallel port adaptors?
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.170855.0700.>

hi folks,

has anyone had any success (or failure) sending event triggers out to
an external device using ExpressCard/34 or ExpressCard/54 cards that
provide a parallel port?

thanks,
andrew


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:20:57 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:20:57 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.072057.0700.>

Hi
I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
way of doing this?

Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
task at the end of the word presentation.

Any help is more than welcome  :)
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From mahayanag at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:57:02 2008
From: mahayanag at gmail.com (Mahayana Godoy)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:02 -0300
Subject: different presentation times
In-Reply-To: <b47ddec1-cb17-4fcf-befd-d776831a0560@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.115702.0300.>

Jotapan,

you can do it by selecting the duration you want in the textdisplay object's
property page (duration/input tab). When i have to work with two separate
lists, i prefer to create nested lists (you have an example of nested list
in the samples experiments. once you understand it, it's easy to program).
Then, you'll have a textdisplay object for first list (and you can set the
duration in 2000ms), and another for the second (and you can set  the
duration in  5000ms).

Don't forget to select "random" in ALL your listobjects'  property page!

Mahayana


2008/7/15 jotapan <jotapan at hotmail.com>:

>
> Hi
> I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
> I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
> presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
> two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
> words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
> way of doing this?
>
> Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
> 5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
> task at the end of the word presentation.
>
> Any help is more than welcome  :)
> >
>

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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:04:25 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:04:25 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.080425.0700.>

Mahayana,

Thanks for this suggestion! I tried doing this already, but I was
really hoping to be able to randomly select from a single list of
items some to be presented in a certain duration and others at the
other duration. Is this possible in the way you are describing it?
Also, doing the procedure as you describe it, will the program
randomly select from one or the other nested list?

Thank you for your help! :)
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 15:15:14 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:15:14 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.111514.0400.>

Dina,

Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even 
look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I 
think you want something more like this:

     Select Case strHit
       Case "UpperLeft"
         Motor.RESP = 1
       Case "UpperRight"
         Motor.RESP = 2
       Case "BottomLeft"
         Motor.RESP = 3
       Case "BottomRight"
         Motor.RESP = 4
       Case Else
     	 Goto Label3
     End Select
     If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1

assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1 
for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single 
characters for Correct, not strings).

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 15:23:16 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:16 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.112316.0400.>

Jotapan,

>I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
>presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
>two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
>words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
>way of doing this?

Yes.  In your display object, I would use an attribute for the 
Duration, say, [Duration] (and for future use, please note that you 
can use an attribute reference for almost any object property, very 
handy).  Then in your trial list, I would add a column for Duration. 
I would make two rows for every word.  In one of those rows I would 
put 2000 in the Duration column, and in the other I would put 5000 
for Duration.

>Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
>5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
>task at the end of the word presentation.

This is not simple.  I think this has been asked before, perhaps even 
answered, perhaps a search of the archive will help.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:44:32 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:44:32 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.084432.0700.>

Thanks for this idea!!
This will make the same word be presented twice-each time with a
different presentation time (I think)… But I only wan each word to
appear once with the presentation time A or B (and have this be chosen
randomly although an equal number of times during the experiment). I’m
sorry if I wasn’t clear on my post… and thank you in advance.

Jotapan


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From scampbell at casl.umd.edu  Tue Jul 15 16:01:28 2008
From: scampbell at casl.umd.edu (Susan G. Campbell)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:01:28 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.120128.0400.>

Hi Jotapan,

You're right, I think.  What you might try, though, is a combination of
David's idea and Mayahana's -- you can create a single list with two
rows, Duration=2000 and Duration=5000, then nest another list within it
that contains the actual words.  So you'd have two randomized lists
(excuse my formatting if this doesn't come out fixed-width):

PresentationList:
Weight	Nested	StimDuration	PresentWord
2		WordList	2000			[SelectWord]
2		WordList	5000			[SelectWord]

WordList:
SelectWord
Lion
Tiger
Bear
Oh My

Note that unless you want to have every pair include a 2s and a 5s,
you'd need to make the weights on the 2-row list greater than 1 -- if
you'd like to present a total of 10, make the weights 5 and 5, for
instance.

For a sample script with a countdown clock, I'd try this from the PST
sample library:
http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/samples.asp?Mode=View&SampleID=40

HTH,
Susan

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Subject: Re: different presentation times


Thanks for this idea!!
This will make the same word be presented twice-each time with a
different presentation time (I think)... But I only wan each word to
appear once with the presentation time A or B (and have this be chosen
randomly although an equal number of times during the experiment). I'm
sorry if I wasn't clear on my post... and thank you in advance.

Jotapan




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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 16:03:27 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
In-Reply-To: <255501cc-0276-4fea-9dd0-1697b1534af0@26g2000hsk.googlegrou
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Jotapan,

>I only wan each word to appear once with the presentation time A or 
>B (and have this be chosen randomly although an equal number of 
>times during the experiment).

Aha.  Let me see if I have this now.  Let's say you have 10 different 
words.  You want a random selection of five of these to appear for 
2000ms, and the other five to appear for 5000ms.  Does that sound right?

For this you will need nested lists.  One way, let's use TrialList 
for the words, and DurationList for the durations.  Put each word in 
a row of TrialList, and put "DurationList" in the Nested 
column.  DurationList will have two rows, and a column for 
Duration.  Use 2000 for the Duration in one row, 5000 for the other 
row, and set Weight in both rows to 5 (i.e., half of 10, per our 
example above) .  Set all lists to Random selection (although, for 
practice, you shoud first run everything as Sequential to see how it 
works).  As an extra exercise, try setting the Weights in 
DurationList instead to 1 and see what happens.  Try other 
values.  Explore and learn.

BTW, you could just as easily reverse the roles of the word and 
duration lists.  I.e., let TrialList have two rows, and a column for 
duration, one row for each duration with a Weight of 5, and put 
WordList in the Nested column.  Then put your words in WordList, 
randomize everything, etc.  It's largely a matter of taste, or 
whatever you feel most transparently represents your problem domain.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 16:33:52 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:33:52 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.093352.0700.>

Dear David, Susan and Ben,

Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
and advice!!
I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
the trials correct
and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
output-file.
It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
the other ones as well.

Thanks again!
Dina

On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Dina,
>
> Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> think you want something more like this:
>
>      Select Case strHit
>        Case "UpperLeft"
>          Motor.RESP = 1
>        Case "UpperRight"
>          Motor.RESP = 2
>        Case "BottomLeft"
>          Motor.RESP = 3
>        Case "BottomRight"
>          Motor.RESP = 4
>        Case Else
>          Goto Label3
>      End Select
>      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 18:43:37 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:43:37 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.114337.0700.>

Thank you all

I think I've got it :)

 Jotapan
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From mary.koziura at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 22:19:02 2008
From: mary.koziura at gmail.com (Mary)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:19:02 -0700
Subject: Nested list problem
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.151902.0700.>

I am just learning how to use E-Prime and I am trying to design an
experiment with nested lists. One list is different sentences that I
want to be presented to the participant and the other list is full of
words appropriate for the sentence or not appropriate. Right now I
only have 2 sentences being presented. Each appears 4 times with 4
different words.

I was wondering if there was a way to ensure that only those 4
specific words would be presented with that specific sentence once.  I
have it specified with which word I want with each sentence and the
correct answer but when I actually run my experiment that is not the
case. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me. Thanks!
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From sahyang at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:27:45 2008
From: sahyang at gmail.com (SK)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:27:45 -0700
Subject: audio + video with different onset
Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.052745.0700.>

Hi,
I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
presentation.
In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hit a
button.
Can anyone shed light on this problem?
Thank you for your help in advance.

SK
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From sahyang at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:30:30 2008
From: sahyang at gmail.com (SK)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:30:30 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.053030.0700.>

Hi,
I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
presentation.
In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
button.
Can anyone shed light on this problem?
Thank you for your help in advance.

SK

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From ddiodati at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 19:26:16 2008
From: ddiodati at gmail.com (David)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:26:16 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <47c401bd-91d4-4ad0-98f8-b1a6b1a192b5@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.122616.0700.>

Hi everyone,

I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.

Any help is much appreciated,

David

On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear David, Susan and Ben,
>
> Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> and advice!!
> I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> the trials correct
> and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> output-file.
> It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> the other ones as well.
>
> Thanks again!
> Dina
>
> On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Dina,
>
> > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > think you want something more like this:
>
> >      Select Case strHit
> >        Case "UpperLeft"
> >          Motor.RESP = 1
> >        Case "UpperRight"
> >          Motor.RESP = 2
> >        Case "BottomLeft"
> >          Motor.RESP = 3
> >        Case "BottomRight"
> >          Motor.RESP = 4
> >        Case Else
> >          Goto Label3
> >      End Select
> >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 19:40:47 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:47 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.154047.0400.>

under Case Else, just tell it to Goto a Label object, which you will place
immediately before your Slide object.  if they don't click an appropriate
place on the slide object, the script with jump back to the label, and rerun
the Slide object.  the participant won't notice a thing.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, David <ddiodati at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
> next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
> move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
> do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
> prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.
>
> Any help is much appreciated,
>
> David
>
> On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear David, Susan and Ben,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> > and advice!!
> > I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> > the trials correct
> > and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> > output-file.
> > It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> > the other ones as well.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Dina
> >
> > On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Dina,
> >
> > > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > > think you want something more like this:
> >
> > >      Select Case strHit
> > >        Case "UpperLeft"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 1
> > >        Case "UpperRight"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 2
> > >        Case "BottomLeft"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 3
> > >        Case "BottomRight"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 4
> > >        Case Else
> > >          Goto Label3
> > >      End Select
> > >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
> >
> > > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > > characters for Correct, not strings).
> >
> > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
> >
>

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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 20:29:20 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:29:20 -0700
Subject: Nested list problem
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Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.132920.0700.>

I may be confused on the current set-up of your experiment based on
the description, but as I understand it you have one list with two
rows.  Each row has one of the sentences as an extra column.  The
weight on each row is set to four, and they are both calling the same
nested list.  The nested list has four rows each with a different
word.

I think the best way to do this would be:
Have the first sentence list call different nested lists.  You add two
columns to each of those perhaps with labels Appropriate and
NotAppropriate.  Place the corresponding words in each of those
columns and then use [Appropriate] and [NotAppropriate] accordingly to
display them or do any logic checks you want.  And, make sure the
sampling of your nested lists is not set to Random w/ Replacement.


On Jul 15, 6:19 pm, Mary <mary.kozi... at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am just learning how to use E-Prime and I am trying to design an
> experiment with nested lists. One list is different sentences that I
> want to be presented to the participant and the other list is full of
> words appropriate for the sentence or not appropriate. Right now I
> only have 2 sentences being presented. Each appears 4 times with 4
> different words.
>
> I was wondering if there was a way to ensure that only those 4
> specific words would be presented with that specific sentence once.  I
> have it specified with which word I want with each sentence and the
> correct answer but when I actually run my experiment that is not the
> case. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me. Thanks!
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 20:33:56 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:33:56 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
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Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.133356.0700.>

That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
group can give you a solution using just e-prime.

But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.

I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
participants.  You'd have to test it out.

On Jul 16, 8:30 am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> presentation.
> In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> button.
> Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> Thank you for your help in advance.
>
> SK
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From satrevik at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 09:20:42 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:20:42 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.022042.0700.>

Hi SK,

if I understand your problem correctly, you should be able to do this
by having a procedure with one object with a duration of 500 ms that
starts the sound file, but has the property "Stop after" set to
"No" (this allows the sound to continue playing although the object
terminates), followed by a 1500 ms object for the picture display.

I hope this helps,
Bjørn Sætrevik

On Jul 16, 10:33 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
> solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
> group can give you a solution using just e-prime.
>
> But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
> ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
> I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.
>
> I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
> you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
> participants.  You'd have to test it out.
>
> On Jul 16, 8:30 am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> > presentation.
> > In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> > image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> > played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> > file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> > to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> > button.
> > Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> > Thank you for your help in advance.
>
> > SK
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From satrevik at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 10:05:49 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:05:49 -0700
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.030549.0700.>

I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
inline with the code:

Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder

But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
skipped.

Any help here would be appreciated. Kind regards,
Bjørn Sætrevik
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From: xing1932 at gmail.com (varonica)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:37:46 -0700
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From ddiodati at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 17:34:53 2008
From: ddiodati at gmail.com (David)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:34:53 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <3345e4a50807161240x50b0e7bah9746db719aa973b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.103453.0700.>

Thank you, it is perfect!

On Jul 16, 3:40 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> under Case Else, just tell it to Goto a Label object, which you will place
> immediately before your Slide object.  if they don't click an appropriate
> place on the slide object, the script with jump back to the label, and rerun
> the Slide object.  the participant won't notice a thing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, David <ddiod... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> > I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
> > next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
> > move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
> > do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
> > prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.
>
> > Any help is much appreciated,
>
> > David
>
> > On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear David, Susan and Ben,
>
> > > Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> > > and advice!!
> > > I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> > > the trials correct
> > > and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> > > output-file.
> > > It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> > > the other ones as well.
>
> > > Thanks again!
> > > Dina
>
> > > On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Dina,
>
> > > > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > > > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > > > think you want something more like this:
>
> > > >      Select Case strHit
> > > >        Case "UpperLeft"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 1
> > > >        Case "UpperRight"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 2
> > > >        Case "BottomLeft"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 3
> > > >        Case "BottomRight"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 4
> > > >        Case Else
> > > >          Goto Label3
> > > >      End Select
> > > >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> > > > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > > > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > > > characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From prashanth149 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 17:44:28 2008
From: prashanth149 at gmail.com (Prashanth Nyalakanti)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:44:28 -0600
Subject: Dual Visual Field task
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.114428.0600.>

Hi all,
I am trying to design a Dual Visual Field task. In this task the subject is
given two different stimuli one on the right side and one in the left side.
He has to respond with two different buttons. My questions are
How do we make EPRIME to record two responses?
If we record two responses can we make it assign the responses to LEFT and
RIGHT side only. Like Letters 'A'or'S' for left and 'K'or'L' for right? so
that I can compare the ACC for this two separately?
Any suggestions in this regard would be helpful.

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jul 17 21:19:59 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:19:59 -0400
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
In-Reply-To: <6c1c3407-7317-4723-83c6-41fcedb475cd@k13g2000hse.googlegro
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.171959.0400.>

Bjørn,

>I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
>want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
>question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
>inline with the code:
>
>Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder
>
>But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
>skipped.

You are so close.  Here is the complete example 
right from the RandomOrder Object topic in the E-Basic online help:

Set List1.Order = RandomOrder
List1.Reset

You were just missing the .Reset.  Give that a try.

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jul 17 21:27:36 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:27:36 -0400
Subject: audio + video different onsets
In-Reply-To: <2e42d78d-c998-4eef-bf74-bd4bb3640dc2@y38g2000hsy.googlegro
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.172736.0400.>

SK,

Adding to Bjørn's response with more info on 
terminating both with a button press...  Set it 
up so only the sound gets a response, not the 
image.  Set the response Time Limit to 2000, and 
End Action to Terminate.  As I understand, a 
response will then terminate all running display 
objects (though I did not run a test myself, so I hope this works).

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


At 7/17/2008 05:20 AM Thursday, Bjørn Sætrevik wrote:

>Hi SK,
>
>if I understand your problem correctly, you should be able to do this
>by having a procedure with one object with a duration of 500 ms that
>starts the sound file, but has the property "Stop after" set to
>"No" (this allows the sound to continue playing although the object
>terminates), followed by a 1500 ms object for the picture display.
>
>I hope this helps,
>Bjørn Sætrevik
>
>On Jul 16, 10:33 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
> > solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
> > group can give you a solution using just e-prime.
> >
> > But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
> > ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
> > I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.
> >
> > I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
> > you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
> > participants.  You'd have to test it out.
> >
> > On Jul 16, 8:30 am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> > > presentation.
> > > In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> > > image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> > > played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> > > file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> > > to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> > > button.
> > > Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> > > Thank you for your help in advance.
> >
> > > SK



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From satrevik at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 08:50:18 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:50:18 -0700
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
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Message-ID: <FRI.18.JUL.2008.015018.0700.>

That works perfectly (I had only looked at the online help for the
FactorSpace.Order property).

Thanks for the quick and competent reply,
Bjørn



On Jul 17, 11:19 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Bjørn,
>
> >I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
> >want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
> >question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
> >inline with the code:
>
> >Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder
>
> >But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
> >skipped.
>
> You are so close.  Here is the complete example
> right from the RandomOrder Object topic in the E-Basic online help:
>
> Set List1.Order = RandomOrder
> List1.Reset
>
> You were just missing the .Reset.  Give that a try.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From kfevre at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 14:41:38 2008
From: kfevre at gmail.com (Kay)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:41:38 -0700
Subject: Jumping to new list
Message-ID: <FRI.18.JUL.2008.074138.0700.>

What script would i insert to have eprime jump to one of two list in a
procedure based on either a CRESP or nonCRESP
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From salambai01 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 18:07:07 2008
From: salambai01 at gmail.com (shalambai shalambai)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:07:07 +0800
Subject: i help 4 u
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From yihuihung1116 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 10:56:25 2008
From: yihuihung1116 at gmail.com (Yihui)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:56:25 -0700
Subject: Can I create the same request in this group as the one in e-prime
 web  support?
Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.2008.035625.0700.>

Hello,

Can I create the same request in this group as the one in e-prime web
support? Are people here viewing my question the same ones who receive
my request in e-prime web support? Is there any other way to
facilitate the process so I can get the answer to my problem as soon
as possible? Any suggestion is appreciated. Thanks!


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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 23:07:20 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:07:20 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
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Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.2008.160720.0700.>

Shin-Yi: That sounds like it would work, though I have not tried it. I
was able to get help from someone else in the lab here, and here is
what I wound up doing, which is pretty simple to implement:

List1:

Weight		Nested			StimA		StimB		CorrectAnswer
10			HomophoneList		[Main]		[Word2]		1
10			HomophoneList		[Main]		[Word3]		2

And then HomophoneList contains all of the word triplets in three
columns (Main/Word2/Word3). So for 20 word pairs, this would show 10
as Main/Word2 and 10 with Main/Word3, and also allow you to set a
Correct Answer if you are collecting responses.

Thanks for all the answers!.

On Jul 14, 1:32 pm, ShinYi <shinyi.f... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure if I understood this correctly. However, there might be
> two
> problems in this procedure. 1. The MAIN word might not match the
> corresponding WORD2/WORD3. 2. This can not prevent both homophone
> pairs
> presented in the experiment.
>
> The procedure I have in mind is two level nested lists.
> First nested list has one column, SELECTWORD and two rows, [WORD2] and
> [WORD3].
> Second nested list will be nested in the first nested list. It has two
> columns, WORD2 and WORD3. They are homophone pairs.
> In this way, the first nested list will select either one of the
> homophone
> pairs and the second nested list will provide the stimuli.
>
> FYI,
>
> Shin-Yi
>
> On Jul 10, 12:41 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.
>
> > first, the columns:
> > column 1 = FirstWord
> > column 2 = SecondWord
> > under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
> > under SecondWord write [Word2]
>
> > now the rows:
> > both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
> > row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
> > row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB
>
> > in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
> > in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2
>
> > add all you main words to the column, Word1
> > and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
> > WordListB, respectively.
>
> > set all the lists to select at random.
>
> > this should do it.
>
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> > > clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> > > WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> > > WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> > > WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> > > were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> > > Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> > > On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> > > > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > > > list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> > > > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > > > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > > > to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > > > done.
>
> > > > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > > > > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
>
> > > > > bored           board           beard
> > > > > cede            seed            seen
> > > > > sell                    cell                    call
> > > > > cent                    sent            seat
>
> > > > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > > > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > > > > StimA   StimB
>
> > > > > bored   beard
> > > > > cede    seed
> > > > > sell            cell
> > > > > cent            seat
>
> > > > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:40:05 2008
From: Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com (Jasmit)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:40:05 -0700
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.2008.104005.0700.>

I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task.  Every
time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
"You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
masks that use this device will be disabled."  When I run the script I
can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
there is nothing.  I read on another post that build version 101
corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
issue here considering I have a more recent version.  Any insights
into this problem would be great, thanks.

Jasmit
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From mahayanag at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:53:32 2008
From: mahayanag at gmail.com (Mahayana Godoy)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:53:32 -0300
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
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Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.2008.145332.0300.>

Hi, Jasmit

I didn't get exactly what you're trying to do and i don't know if i can
help, but i had problems with adding a joystick as an input device.

I wrote to PST staff and received this answer:

"Dear Mahayana,

Although E-Prime 2.0 does support adding the Joystick device through the
user interface, it does not support the use of the Joystick as an Input
Mask. Only E-Prime 2.0 Professional supports the latter feature. To use the
Joystick as input, you will have to access it manually using script. Please
see our Knowledge Base topic FEATURE: Joystick
Device<http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1249>for
detailed information about accessing the
Joystick in script."

although it's written in user's and reference guide we can add a joystick as
an input device, we actually can't...


Mahayana

PS: I use E-prime Release Candidate 2.0.1.119


2008/7/23 Jasmit <Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com>:

>
> I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
> use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task.  Every
> time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
> "You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
> into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
> masks that use this device will be disabled."  When I run the script I
> can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
> there is nothing.  I read on another post that build version 101
> corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
> issue here considering I have a more recent version.  Any insights
> into this problem would be great, thanks.
>
> Jasmit
> >
>

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From Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 18:27:55 2008
From: Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com (Jasmit)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:27:55 -0700
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
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Thanks Mahayana,

I used the "Joystick.AttachToMouseCursor = True" in an inline to
control the mouse with the joystick and that seems to work just fine
now.  The only problem now is that Eprime is not recognizing the
responses I make with the joystick button.  I appears on the support
website that this function is restricted to Eprime 2.0 Professional.
Is there any way around this?

Jasmit

On Jul 23, 1:53 pm, "Mahayana Godoy" <mahaya... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Jasmit
>
> I didn't get exactly what you're trying to do and i don't know if i can
> help, but i had problems with adding a joystick as an input device.
>
> I wrote to PST staff and received this answer:
>
> "Dear Mahayana,
>
> Although E-Prime 2.0 does support adding the Joystick device through the
> user interface, it does not support the use of the Joystick as an Input
> Mask. Only E-Prime 2.0 Professional supports the latter feature. To use the
> Joystick as input, you will have to access it manually using script. Please
> see our Knowledge Base topic FEATURE: Joystick
> Device<http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1249>for
> detailed information about accessing the
> Joystick in script."
>
> although it's written in user's and reference guide we can add a joystick as
> an input device, we actually can't...
>
> Mahayana
>
> PS: I use E-prime Release Candidate 2.0.1.119
>
> 2008/7/23 Jasmit <Jasmit.B... at gmail.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
> > use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task.  Every
> > time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
> > "You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
> > into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
> > masks that use this device will be disabled."  When I run the script I
> > can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
> > there is nothing.  I read on another post that build version 101
> > corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
> > issue here considering I have a more recent version.  Any insights
> > into this problem would be great, thanks.
>
> > Jasmit- Hide quoted text -
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From eskim8 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 19:18:32 2008
From: eskim8 at gmail.com (eskim)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:18:32 -0700
Subject: display resolution - stretched out bitmaps
Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.2008.121832.0700.>

Hello,

New to E-Prime, we are using an old version (1.0) in our lab. We're
trying to run an experiment here that was created in a different lab
and we are having trouble with the images looking strange. I changed
the screen resolution and the experiment resolution to be the same
(1024 x 768) yet when it brings up some of the images they look all
'stretched out.' By the way, when I bring up the original .bmp files
they look fine, just when they're being displayed as part of the
experiment they look stretched out.

The experiment is a facial recognition task where the subject has to
make same/different judgements on 2 faces they see.

Any help anyone has to offer would be much appreciated. Thank you!
Esther
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From fahadahmad100 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 02:53:29 2008
From: fahadahmad100 at gmail.com (Psychologue)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:53:29 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.2008.195329.0700.>

Hi Everyone,

I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
of performance.
My questions which I need answered:

1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
six training sessions?

*2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
code this in E-Prime?*

3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are  six blocks
in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
session? I don't know how to do this.

4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
testing phase for a training session.
How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
trials.

Any Help is much appreciated
Thank you
Fahad
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From fluencystudy at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 16:13:34 2008
From: fluencystudy at gmail.com (signy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:34 -0700
Subject: including  stimuli that only appears in half trials, randomly
Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.2008.091334.0700.>

Hi,
I am trying to figure out how to present a stimuli (and record data)
that appears on only 1/2 the trials of the experiment?
Specifically, I am planning on presenting a word to which participants
have to make 12 responses (key presses). A participant will do this
for 40 different words, but for 20 of them (picked randomly), I would
like for them to respond to an additional stimuli that is presented
mid-way through their 12 responses?
Visually,
[item]
resp1
resp2
resp3
resp4
resp5
resp6
          <-- here, for half the trials, participants will be
presented with another screen/stim asking
               about their strategy of the 6 responses.
resp7
resp8
resp9
resp10
resp11
resp12

Any ideas on how to do this?

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From satrevik at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 12:45:42 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:45:42 -0700
Subject: display resolution - stretched out bitmaps
In-Reply-To: <a01e766c-4739-4e8a-8302-584d9f952748@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.2008.054542.0700.>

Hello Esther,

the ImageDisplay object has a property called "Stretch". If this is
set to "yes", the bitmap will be stretched to fit the  frame of the
object. Could this be the problem in your case?

Kind regards,
Bjørn Sætrevik

On Jul 24, 9:18 pm, eskim <esk... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> New to E-Prime, we are using an old version (1.0) in our lab. We're
> trying to run an experiment here that was created in a different lab
> and we are having trouble with the images looking strange. I changed
> the screen resolution and the experiment resolution to be the same
> (1024 x 768) yet when it brings up some of the images they look all
> 'stretched out.' By the way, when I bring up the original .bmp files
> they look fine, just when they're being displayed as part of the
> experiment they look stretched out.
>
> The experiment is a facial recognition task where the subject has to
> make same/different judgements on 2 faces they see.
>
> Any help anyone has to offer would be much appreciated. Thank you!
> Esther
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From satrevik at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 13:24:26 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:24:26 -0700
Subject: including stimuli that only appears in half trials, randomly
In-Reply-To: <a8ea24e3-9a32-4de6-baaa-cd2c60ff489c@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.2008.062426.0700.>

Hi,

There are probably a number of ways you could solve this, but I guess
an easy fix would be like this:

Have a list that contains all the 40 words you want to present. This
list can run randomly or sequential according to your design demands.
For each level of this list, have a procedure that presents the word,
then contains a list with three levels, and make this list run
sequentially: the first level should run procedure A and have a weight
of six, the second level should run procedure B and have a a weight of
one, and the third level should run procedure A and have a weight of
six. Procedure A should record a single response to the presented
word. Procedure B should contain a list with two levels (selected
randomly): One level does nothing, while the other level asks your
question about strategy.

If the explanation is a bit hard to follow, I can email you a mock-up
of the programmed design.

Kind regards,
Bjørn Sætrevik

On Jul 25, 6:13 pm, signy <fluencyst... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to figure out how to present a stimuli (and record data)
> that appears on only 1/2 the trials of the experiment?
> Specifically, I am planning on presenting a word to which participants
> have to make 12 responses (key presses). A participant will do this
> for 40 different words, but for 20 of them (picked randomly), I would
> like for them to respond to an additional stimuli that is presented
> mid-way through their 12 responses?
> Visually,
> [item]
> resp1
> resp2
> resp3
> resp4
> resp5
> resp6
>           <-- here, for half the trials, participants will be
> presented with another screen/stim asking
>                about their strategy of the 6 responses.
> resp7
> resp8
> resp9
> resp10
> resp11
> resp12
>
> Any ideas on how to do this?
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From meg.phd at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 00:12:04 2008
From: meg.phd at gmail.com (bmu)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:04 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.2008.171204.0700.>

Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
"Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
I'm using version 1.0
Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 18:56:15 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:56:15 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
In-Reply-To: <38628b89-b133-4143-980e-60499297be87@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.115615.0700.>

2.  To accomplish this you will have to adjust the frame size for all
of your text displays and then create an image display (whose frame
does not overlap the text displays ) with the rectangle for the bar
graph feedback.  Alternatively, (and the easier option imo) is to draw
the rectangle in an inline.  You can lookup Canvas.Rectangle in the E-
Basic help for that.  You can handle the reaction time checks in
another inline as well with "StimDisplay.RT"

3.  I don't know if this is exactly what you require based upon your
description, but I wrote up a guide for my lab about creating simple
menus in E-Prime so you can access which parts of an experiment that
you want.  I've copied it for you below at the end of my message.

4.  If you add a counter as either a global variable which you can
then increment simply by putting in an InLine counter = counter + 1,
or as an attribute in a list which you can then increment by

counter = CInt(ListName.GetCurrentAttrib("counter"))
counter = counter + 1
ListName.SetAttrib "counter", Cstr(counter)

you can check if the counter has been incremented up to the total
number of training trials and if not

goto LabelAtTheEndOfTheProcedure

Place your feedback display between this inline and the label.


‘All this code can be copy/pasted into an E-Prime InLine script and
edited to get the
‘menu that you want
Dim Redo as Integer
Redo = 1

Do While Redo = 1  ‘Must be made a loop, or after E-Prime runs the
first procedure the
		         ‘experiment would automatically end

	Dim Menu as TextDisplay		‘You can change Menu to whatever you like
	Set Menu = New TextDisplay	‘and could presumably set up a sequence
						‘of menus with different names if desired

‘This section sets all the attributes of the menu, many of these can
be skipped with the
‘code    InitTextDisplayDefaults Menu   but all of these can be
altered if wanted

	Menu.AlignHorizontal = "left"	‘Horizontal alignment “left” “center”
“right”

	Menu.AlignVertical = "center"	‘Vertical alignment “top” “center”
“bottom”

	Menu.FontName = "Courier New"	‘Any of the font names E-Prime is
allowed

	Menu.FontBold = False		‘Bold is the default, this makes it not bold

	Menu.FontSize = "28"		‘Font size supplied as a string

	Menu.ForeColor = CColor("0,0,0")	‘This is the text color, can use
color names
						‘or RGB values, CColor converts it to Long

	Menu.BackColor = CColor("255,255,255")	‘Background color

	Menu.Duration = CLng("-1")		‘Sets how long the menu will appear on
the
						‘screen.  A –1 is an infinite duration.

	Menu.TimingMode = ebTimingModeEvent		‘Sets the timing mode:
	‘others allowed ebTimingModeCumulative and ebTimingModeCustom
	‘If custom is used CustomOnsetTime and CustomOffsetTime must be set

	Menu.PreRelease = 0		‘Sets prerelease time for the next object

	Menu.ClearAfter = True	‘Not clearing after is default, this clears
the screen
					‘when the menu is terminated




‘Set up the input mask for the menu, the required inputs are all comma
delimited
	Menu.InputMasks.Reset
	Menu.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("1234", "",
CLng(Menu.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, True,
"", "", "")

‘InputDevice.CreateInputMask (Allowable Response, Correct Response,
Time Limit,
‘Max Count, End Response Action, Flush Input Buffer, Termination
Response,
‘User Tag, Custom Options, Echo Clients, Reserved Object)
‘For more specific information about these attributes check the E-
Basic help

‘Sets the text to be displayed in the menu.  New lines are made with
\n.
	Menu.Text = "    1)  Procedure1\n    2)  Procedure2\n    3)
Procedure3\n    4)  Quit"


Menu.Run	‘Runs the menu with the attributes set above

‘This section selects the procedure to be run based upon the keyboard
input.  All
‘the procedures are found in a superior list and are each assigned a
Weight of 0.
‘The list will also have 1 row which called the procedure to create
the menu with a
‘Weight of 1.
	If CInt(Menu.RESP) = 1 Then
		Procedure1.Run c
	ElseIf CInt(Menu.RESP) = 2 Then
		Procedure2.Run c
	Elseif CInt(Menu.RESP) = 3 Then
		Procedure3.Run c
	Else
		Quit.Run c
		Redo = 0
	End If

Loop


On Jul 24, 10:53 pm, Psychologue <fahadahmad... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
> to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
> phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
> of performance.
> My questions which I need answered:
>
> 1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
> six training sessions?
>
> *2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
> in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
> Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
> a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
> session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
> of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
> participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
> the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
> for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
> code this in E-Prime?*
>
> 3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are  six blocks
> in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
> phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
> acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
> My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
> 2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
> block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
> the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
> session? I don't know how to do this.
>
> 4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
> response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
> testing phase for a training session.
> How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
> the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
> average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
> the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
> trials.
>
> Any Help is much appreciated
> Thank you
> Fahad
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 19:03:50 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:03:50 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
In-Reply-To: <cd5618cc-5130-4ff4-81b0-fc95b34d77b6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.120350.0700.>

I opened it up in E-Studio (which automatically updated it to work
with my version) and it ran fine.  Try doing that.

On Jul 29, 8:12 pm, bmu <meg.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
> version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
> trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
> of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
> "Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
> running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
> at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
> anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
> I'm using version 1.0
> Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 19:10:04 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:10:04 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
In-Reply-To: <316fc0d0-7a64-45d0-b401-bdc28fc79edd@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.121004.0700.>

I apologize for not making a clear separation between the menu code
and the rest of my message.  The menu code begins immediately at the
text that is commented out.

On Jul 30, 2:56 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2.  To accomplish this you will have to adjust the frame size for all
> of your text displays and then create an image display (whose frame
> does not overlap the text displays ) with the rectangle for the bar
> graph feedback.  Alternatively, (and the easier option imo) is to draw
> the rectangle in an inline.  You can lookup Canvas.Rectangle in the E-
> Basic help for that.  You can handle the reaction time checks in
> another inline as well with "StimDisplay.RT"
>
> 3.  I don't know if this is exactly what you require based upon your
> description, but I wrote up a guide for my lab about creating simple
> menus in E-Prime so you can access which parts of an experiment that
> you want.  I've copied it for you below at the end of my message.
>
> 4.  If you add a counter as either a global variable which you can
> then increment simply by putting in an InLine counter = counter + 1,
> or as an attribute in a list which you can then increment by
>
> counter = CInt(ListName.GetCurrentAttrib("counter"))
> counter = counter + 1
> ListName.SetAttrib "counter", Cstr(counter)
>
> you can check if the counter has been incremented up to the total
> number of training trials and if not
>
> goto LabelAtTheEndOfTheProcedure
>
> Place your feedback display between this inline and the label.
>
> ‘All this code can be copy/pasted into an E-Prime InLine script and
> edited to get the
> ‘menu that you want
> Dim Redo as Integer
> Redo = 1
>
> Do While Redo = 1  ‘Must be made a loop, or after E-Prime runs the
> first procedure the
>                          ‘experiment would automatically end
>
>         Dim Menu as TextDisplay         ‘You can change Menu to whatever you like
>         Set Menu = New TextDisplay      ‘and could presumably set up a sequence
>                                                 ‘of menus with different names if desired
>
> ‘This section sets all the attributes of the menu, many of these can
> be skipped with the
> ‘code    InitTextDisplayDefaults Menu   but all of these can be
> altered if wanted
>
>         Menu.AlignHorizontal = "left" ‘Horizontal alignment “left” “center”
> “right”
>
>         Menu.AlignVertical = "center" ‘Vertical alignment “top” “center”
> “bottom”
>
>         Menu.FontName = "Courier New" ‘Any of the font names E-Prime is
> allowed
>
>         Menu.FontBold = False           ‘Bold is the default, this makes it not bold
>
>         Menu.FontSize = "28"          ‘Font size supplied as a string
>
>         Menu.ForeColor = CColor("0,0,0")      ‘This is the text color, can use
> color names
>                                                 ‘or RGB values, CColor converts it to Long
>
>         Menu.BackColor = CColor("255,255,255")        ‘Background color
>
>         Menu.Duration = CLng("-1")            ‘Sets how long the menu will appear on
> the
>                                                 ‘screen.  A –1 is an infinite duration.
>
>         Menu.TimingMode = ebTimingModeEvent             ‘Sets the timing mode:
>         ‘others allowed ebTimingModeCumulative and ebTimingModeCustom
>         ‘If custom is used CustomOnsetTime and CustomOffsetTime must be set
>
>         Menu.PreRelease = 0             ‘Sets prerelease time for the next object
>
>         Menu.ClearAfter = True  ‘Not clearing after is default, this clears
> the screen
>                                         ‘when the menu is terminated
>
> ‘Set up the input mask for the menu, the required inputs are all comma
> delimited
>         Menu.InputMasks.Reset
>         Menu.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("1234", "",
> CLng(Menu.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, True,
> "", "", "")
>
> ‘InputDevice.CreateInputMask (Allowable Response, Correct Response,
> Time Limit,
> ‘Max Count, End Response Action, Flush Input Buffer, Termination
> Response,
> ‘User Tag, Custom Options, Echo Clients, Reserved Object)
> ‘For more specific information about these attributes check the E-
> Basic help
>
> ‘Sets the text to be displayed in the menu.  New lines are made with
> \n.
>         Menu.Text = "    1)  Procedure1\n    2)  Procedure2\n    3)
> Procedure3\n    4)  Quit"
>
> Menu.Run        ‘Runs the menu with the attributes set above
>
> ‘This section selects the procedure to be run based upon the keyboard
> input.  All
> ‘the procedures are found in a superior list and are each assigned a
> Weight of 0.
> ‘The list will also have 1 row which called the procedure to create
> the menu with a
> ‘Weight of 1.
>         If CInt(Menu.RESP) = 1 Then
>                 Procedure1.Run c
>         ElseIf CInt(Menu.RESP) = 2 Then
>                 Procedure2.Run c
>         Elseif CInt(Menu.RESP) = 3 Then
>                 Procedure3.Run c
>         Else
>                 Quit.Run c
>                 Redo = 0
>         End If
>
> Loop
>
> On Jul 24, 10:53 pm, Psychologue <fahadahmad... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
> > to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
> > phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
> > of performance.
> > My questions which I need answered:
>
> > 1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
> > six training sessions?
>
> > *2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
> > in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
> > Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
> > a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
> > session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
> > of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
> > participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
> > the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
> > for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
> > code this in E-Prime?*
>
> > 3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are  six blocks
> > in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
> > phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
> > acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
> > My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
> > 2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
> > block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
> > the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
> > session? I don't know how to do this.
>
> > 4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
> > response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
> > testing phase for a training session.
> > How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
> > the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
> > average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
> > the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
> > trials.
>
> > Any Help is much appreciated
> > Thank you
> > Fahad- Hide quoted text -
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From meghna.uthaiya at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 22:26:47 2008
From: meghna.uthaiya at gmail.com (nikki)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:26:47 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
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I'll try doing just that and hopefully it will work for me too! Thank
you so much for your help, I really do appreciate it. Have a nice day!



On Jul 30, 2:03 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> I opened it up in E-Studio (which automatically updated it to work
> with my version) and it ran fine.  Try doing that.
>
> On Jul 29, 8:12 pm, bmu <meg.... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
> > version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
> > trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
> > of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
> > "Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
> > running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
> > at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
> > anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
> > I'm using version 1.0
> > Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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From yihuihung1116 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 13:22:59 2008
From: yihuihung1116 at gmail.com (Yihui)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:22:59 -0700
Subject: Get stocked with script for no repetition on consecutive trials
Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.2008.062259.0700.>

Hello,

I modified the online sample to present numbers from 1 to 5, which are
specified in variable “primetype” in the list2. I changed some
parameters in “inline1”. That is, each of numbers (1 to 5) can be
presented twenty times without repetition on consecutive trials.
However, the script gets stocked and simply goes blank. Can anyone
help me out? I uploaded my script “YH” in the "files" section of this
group. Any suggestion on the inline is appreciated. Thanks!

Sincerely,
Yihui

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From jenifan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 14:51:27 2008
From: jenifan at gmail.com (Jeni)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:27 -0700
Subject: nested lists not locking in according to sampling parameters
Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.2008.075127.0700.>

I have a heavily nested hierarchy of lists. When we actually get to
the list with attributes, I set the parameter to sampling all items
and exit after a full cycle. However, it doesn't seem to be locking in
to the list and pops out after sampling only one line/row/item. Anyone
having this issue?
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From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:00:04 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:00:04 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.090004.0700.>

Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
the same message. Any thoughts?

Windows Vista
E-prime 2.0.8.22
G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
DirectX 10

I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
Thanks for any help.
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  1 16:15:33 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:15:33 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.121533.0400.>

Luna,

>Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
>Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
>plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
>program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
>get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
>quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
>the same message. Any thoughts?
>
>Windows Vista

Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.

>E-prime 2.0.8.22
>G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
>DirectX 10
>
>I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
>the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
>Thanks for any help.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From tomonori.nagano at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 16:17:25 2008
From: tomonori.nagano at gmail.com (Tomonori Nagano)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.121725.0400.>

Hi,

Our lab has just implemented the E-prime experiment with video stimuli.
After many trials and errors, we figured that divx is the easiest (and
error-free) video format for the current version of the e-prime. In most
cases, the problem was caused by the inappropriate codec on the machine or
by the insufficient RAM.

We used Mac i-Movie & divx converter to edit the movie clips and installed
some codec on Windows (Vista).
I could share the detailed procedure, if you are interested.

Tomonori
tnagano at gc.cuny.edu



On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Luna <lunakick at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> Windows Vista
> E-prime 2.0.8.22
> G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> DirectX 10
>
> I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> Thanks for any help.
> >
>

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From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:38:08 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:38:08 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
In-Reply-To: <486a583e.35e3220a.0582.ffffc223SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.093808.0700.>

Dear David,

I've gotten my old computer (running XP) out and it works. Thanks for
that. -Luna

On Jul 1, 5:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Luna,
>
> >Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> >Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> >plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> >program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> >get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> >quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> >the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> >Windows Vista
>
> Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.
>
> >E-prime 2.0.8.22
> >G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> >DirectX 10
>
> >I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> >the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> >Thanks for any help.
>
> -- DeDavid McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From lunakick at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 16:53:17 2008
From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:53:17 -0700
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.095317.0700.>

David,

One other thing... I've tried to run e-studio and e-run in Windows
compatibility mode - XP service pack 2. That didn't work for some
reason. Is it possible to do this? Are there options I should turn on/
off to make this work?

Thanks, again.
-Luna

On Jul 1, 5:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Luna,
>
> >Hi, I'm new to E-prime, but I was enticed by the video features.
> >Unfortunately, I've had no luck running movies successfully. The movie
> >plays and then the program crashes with Windows saying that the
> >program is closing and Windows is searching for a solution. Then, I
> >get a message saying that "2 objects left active" in Module
> >quicktimesource.dll. I've tried different file types, but I still get
> >the same message. Any thoughts?
>
> >Windows Vista
>
> Try moving back to Windows XP.  EP2 has a number of problems with Vista.
>
> >E-prime 2.0.8.22
> >G965 Intel Express Family Graphics card
> >DirectX 10
>
> >I tried the MovieRT.es2 and it works, but if I let the movie run to
> >the end then I get the same problem as listed above.
> >Thanks for any help.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  1 17:02:49 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:02:49 -0400
Subject: Videos don't end - crash
In-Reply-To: <020cc9b3-b4f9-4e78-be61-4e831b5504fb@k37g2000hsf.googlegro
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Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.130249.0400.>

Luna,

>One other thing... I've tried to run e-studio and e-run in Windows
>compatibility mode - XP service pack 2. That didn't work for some
>reason. Is it possible to do this? Are there options I should turn on/
>off to make this work?

Gosh, I have never used E-Prime in Windows compatibility 
mode.  Perhaps someone else on the mailing list can help here.

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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:23:20 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:23:20 -0700
Subject: Mouse input: Problem with defining response areas on screen
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.122320.0700.>

Dear E-primers,

I'm stuck with an inline script and I hope there's someone
who is willing to help me with this.

One of the tasks I'm programming in E-prime is the following:

-Consists of 8 main blocks of 12 trials each.

-In addition, there's 1 block with only 3 practice trials.

-On each trial, people have to make a choice between 4 response
alternatives: UpperLeft, UpperRight, BottomLeft, BottomRight. These
locations correspond to an image sub-object in each corner of the
screen.

-At the moment, all the blocks are set on keyboard with 1 (UL), 2
(UR), 3 (BL) and 4(BR) as responses, except for the first block which
I'm trying to switch on mouse-input.

-In the end, I want to change all blocks in mouse-input (at the very
end, I will have to emulate into touch screen mode).

-During the first block only, all four pictures/image sub-objects are
correct (people have to choose their favourite picture); on the rest
of the 7 blocks, only one of the pictures will be correct. I'm
assuming that different inline scripts will be necessary.

Using the script, the programme runs. However, the responses on each
trial are not logged properly (it states: "1" which corresponds to the
left mouse-button click, I assume) and wherever I click on the screen,
I can proceed to the next trial (as opposed to only clicking on the
image sub-objects), so clicks outside the image-sub objects are
accepted as responses.

How can I solve these problems? I would be very grateful if someone
could advice me,
I have to implement this in many other tasks.
Many thanks in advance!

Greetings,
Dina
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:29:09 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:29:09 -0400
Subject: Mouse input: Problem with defining response areas on screen
In-Reply-To: <2a93aa93-952b-4386-8962-79442bbc0f31@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.JUL.2008.152909.0400.>

the key to your problem is "HitTest".  look for that in Help>E-Basic Help.
basically, HitTest checks to see whether a mouse click occurred on an object
or not.  you could then use a "Select Case" dealy in your inline to respond
differently depending which object (or none) is clicked.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Dina <deedeevau at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear E-primers,
>
> I'm stuck with an inline script and I hope there's someone
> who is willing to help me with this.
>
> One of the tasks I'm programming in E-prime is the following:
>
> -Consists of 8 main blocks of 12 trials each.
>
> -In addition, there's 1 block with only 3 practice trials.
>
> -On each trial, people have to make a choice between 4 response
> alternatives: UpperLeft, UpperRight, BottomLeft, BottomRight. These
> locations correspond to an image sub-object in each corner of the
> screen.
>
> -At the moment, all the blocks are set on keyboard with 1 (UL), 2
> (UR), 3 (BL) and 4(BR) as responses, except for the first block which
> I'm trying to switch on mouse-input.
>
> -In the end, I want to change all blocks in mouse-input (at the very
> end, I will have to emulate into touch screen mode).
>
> -During the first block only, all four pictures/image sub-objects are
> correct (people have to choose their favourite picture); on the rest
> of the 7 blocks, only one of the pictures will be correct. I'm
> assuming that different inline scripts will be necessary.
>
> Using the script, the programme runs. However, the responses on each
> trial are not logged properly (it states: "1" which corresponds to the
> left mouse-button click, I assume) and wherever I click on the screen,
> I can proceed to the next trial (as opposed to only clicking on the
> image sub-objects), so clicks outside the image-sub objects are
> accepted as responses.
>
> How can I solve these problems? I would be very grateful if someone
> could advice me,
> I have to implement this in many other tasks.
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Greetings,
> Dina
> >
>

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From annh_22 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 07:49:40 2008
From: annh_22 at yahoo.com (ms)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:49:40 -0700
Subject: Code to enable input from a Serial Response Button Box
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Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.004940.0700.>

Dear David,

Thanks a lot for your suggestions and advice. One more solution
someone else pointed out was that I should rebut my computer before
trying anything else.
Thanks again for your help.


On Jun 30, 7:31?pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> At 6/30/2008 10:40 AM Monday, you wrote:
>
> >Following my previous email, I can now see and select the serial
> >response button box, but when I try to run the experiment I get the
> >following error message:
>
> >Run-time Error (Line 351)
> >10051: An error occurred while attempting to open the device
>
> >Error: 0x00004a49
> >Message: 'Unable to open the SRBOX: 0x00000005
>
> >The SRBox Device Driver may not be installed'
>
> >I do not know where this problem results from. Any suggestions would
> >be much appreciated.
>
> With a message like that, the first thing I would do is to install
> the SRBox device driver. ?If you cannot find the installation program
> on your E-Prime CD, download it from the Misc section of the PST
> Download Area,http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/download.asp?Type=Misc
> (you will have to login). ?Better yet, just reinstall E-Prime from
> scratch and make sure that you install the SRBox driver when asked.
>
> Beyond that, make sure that the E-Prime settings for port, baud rate,
> and CPS match those of your SRBox. ?Then, according to my SRBox
> manual (I have never used a microphone myself), the voice key should
> appear as button 6. ?Finally, make sure your microphone is compatible
> with the SRBox, e.g., see the PST Forum thread athttp://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic395-8-1.aspx.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
>
>
> >On Jun 30, 11:02 am, ms <annh... at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dear all,
>
> > > I would like to collect RTs through a microphone that is connected to
> > > a serial response button box. I was told that I need to use a code
> > > (script?) to be able toenablethe button box as aninputdevice for
> > > the appearing image I want the response to be given to. Could you
> > > please suggest a way to do that?
>
> > > Thanks in advance!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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From shwetakumar at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 18:34:00 2008
From: shwetakumar at gmail.com (skumar)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:34:00 -0700
Subject: Keyboard response options
Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.113400.0700.>

Hi all,

I'm designing a task in which the subject, when presented with choices
a and b on a screen, should choose one of them. The keyboard responses
I'm currently using are 'm' for choice a and 'z' for choice b. Is
there any way I can use the left and right control (ctrl) keys
instead?

Shweta
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 19:45:39 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:45:39 -0400
Subject: Keyboard response options
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Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.154539.0400.>

i don't think you can distinguish one CTRL from the other, but i may be
wrong...
you could also use the left and right arrow keys, though they're spaced
pretty close together...

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:34 PM, skumar <shwetakumar at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm designing a task in which the subject, when presented with choices
> a and b on a screen, should choose one of them. The keyboard responses
> I'm currently using are 'm' for choice a and 'z' for choice b. Is
> there any way I can use the left and right control (ctrl) keys
> instead?
>
> Shweta
> >
>

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From yanhyu at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 03:35:34 2008
From: yanhyu at gmail.com (Yan Yu)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:35:34 -0400
Subject: sending uneven numbers of tags
Message-ID: <WED.2.JUL.2008.233534.0400.>

Dear E-primers,

In my experiment, I have to present sentences auditorily, and asking eprime
to send tags to netstation. The number of tags in each sentence varies from
zero to four. Right now, if a sentence has less than the maximum number of
tags, I am using a dummy cell number to represent all the rest of the unreal
cells. That is, if a sentence has only two words that I need to tag, then I
am assigning  cellnumber3 and cellnumber4 the same cellnumber "99" twice,
 and put the time as the end of sentence. Therefore, I have a lot of
cellnumber 99. I got a huge delay in my experiment, and wonder if it is
related to too many tags at the same time point.
My question is: Is there a simple way to handle this uneven number of tags ?

My second question is: how to decrease the delays in eprime and netstation?

Thanks a lot

Yan

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From asjharmon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:10:16 2008
From: asjharmon at gmail.com (Amanda)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:10:16 -0700
Subject: Change detection experiment
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.081016.0700.>

Hello, I was wondering if anyone had a change detection experiment
they would be willing to share.

I am working on an experiment involving visual working memory (e.g.,
Vogel, Woodman & Luck, 2001) and I am trying to figure out how to
organize a change detection experiment. It would be very helpful to be
able to look at an example.

Thank you for your time

Amanda
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From jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:49:49 2008
From: jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com (jongretar)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:49:49 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.084949.0700.>

Hi E-Primers,

I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:

A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
500 ms ISI
Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.

I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?

Thanks a million,
J?n
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 20:32:50 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:32:50 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
In-Reply-To: <211bc786-f3eb-437c-92bf-74aa85494edd@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.133250.0700.>

The delay part is not really that complicated depending on what method
you are using to display your stimulus and comparisons.  Since I don't
know exactly how your experiment is implemented I can only give you a
few ideas of the different methodologies.

1) Sleep(nTime)   'placed in an InLine script the script will hang for
the msec duration of nTime
2) Clock.Read 'returns a value in msec of the session duration I
believe
3) You can of course alter the duration of an image display in the
properties window for an Image Display
4) You can put in a wait object with a specified duration.

Whatever you're doing, you don't want to clear the stimulus canvas
until you want it to disappear so Clear After should be No.

Hope that helps, if not a few more specifics would allow a better
response.

On Jul 7, 11:49?am, jongretar <jon.sigurjons... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi E-Primers,
>
> I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
> Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:
>
> A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
> 500 ms ISI
> Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
> till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
> The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
> the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
> sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.
>
> I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
> delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks a million,
> J?n
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From clarkea at upmc.edu  Mon Jul  7 19:43:02 2008
From: clarkea at upmc.edu (biometricsassistant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:43:02 -0700
Subject: Jump Back?
Message-ID: <MON.7.JUL.2008.124302.0700.>

I know that you can get a program to jump to a later part of an
experiment, but is there a way to get it to jump back?
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From passow at mpib-berlin.mpg.de  Tue Jul  8 08:18:20 2008
From: passow at mpib-berlin.mpg.de (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:18:20 -0700
Subject: variation of presentation mode
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.011820.0700.>

Dear all,
Does anybody knows how to vary the presentation mode of auditory
stimuli? I would like to present the stimuli either to the left or
right ear. Thank you very much for your help.
Cheers
Susanne
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul  8 14:26:50 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:26:50 -0400
Subject: variation of presentation mode
In-Reply-To: <ddd08ac6-ac9b-4710-af0e-d759477da0ce@s50g2000hsb.googlegro
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Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.102650.0400.>

Susanne,

>Does anybody knows how to vary the presentation mode of auditory
>stimuli? I would like to present the stimuli either to the left or
>right ear. Thank you very much for your help.

Have you tried the Pan Control for your SoundOut object?  It looks 
like you can control that through an attrribute reference, otherwise 
you might need to use script, see the SoundBuffer topic in the 
E-Basic online help.

Alternatively, you could use separate stereo files for the stimuli, 
where the file itself has just the left channel, right channel, or 
some combination.

Hope this helps,
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From jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 15:05:38 2008
From: jon.sigurjonsson at gmail.com (jongretar)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:05:38 -0700
Subject: Delayed Matching to Sample
In-Reply-To: <976db45c-f3e1-428f-b3bf-3a44f08931a1@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.080538.0700.>

Hi, thanks for that. I'll give it a go and if it won't work I'll post
some more specific descriptions of the task.

On Jul 7, 9:32?pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> The delay part is not really that complicated depending on what method
> you are using to display your stimulus and comparisons. ?Since I don't
> know exactly how your experiment is implemented I can only give you a
> few ideas of the different methodologies.
>
> 1) Sleep(nTime) ? 'placed in an InLine script the script will hang for
> the msec duration of nTime
> 2) Clock.Read 'returns a value in msec of the session duration I
> believe
> 3) You can of course alter the duration of an image display in the
> properties window for an Image Display
> 4) You can put in a wait object with a specified duration.
>
> Whatever you're doing, you don't want to clear the stimulus canvas
> until you want it to disappear so Clear After should be No.
>
> Hope that helps, if not a few more specifics would allow a better
> response.
>
> On Jul 7, 11:49?am, jongretar <jon.sigurjons... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi E-Primers,
>
> > I'm having difficulty figuring out how to tell E-Prime to do a delayed
> > Matching to Sample (MTS) procedure. My protocol is like this:
>
> > A sample (A1, A2 or A3) is presented at the top of the screen
> > 500 ms ISI
> > Two comparisons appear below the sample with the sample still visible
> > till the participant chooses one of the comparisons.
> > The sample will be one of three possible images (A1, A2 and A3) while
> > the correct comparison will be either B1 B2 or B3 (depending on the
> > sample) and the other comparison will be a foil.
>
> > I've figured out how to do this using a regular MTS procedure but the
> > delayed part is giving me a headache. Any ideas?
>
> > Thanks a million,
> > J?n
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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 20:11:11 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:11:11 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
Message-ID: <TUE.8.JUL.2008.131111.0700.>

What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:

MAIN 		WORD2 		WORD3

bored		board		beard
cede 		seed 		seen
sell 			cell 			call
cent 			sent  		seat

I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.

For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:

StimA 	StimB

bored	beard
cede 	seed
sell 		cell
cent 		seat

Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 14:43:40 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:43:40 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
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Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.074340.0700.>

There are a couple different ways you could do this.

The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
done.

On Jul 8, 4:11?pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
> What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> MAIN ? ? ? ? ? ?WORD2 ? ? ? ? ? WORD3
>
> bored ? ? ? ? ? board ? ? ? ? ? beard
> cede ? ? ? ? ? ?seed ? ? ? ? ? ?seen
> sell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?call
> cent ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?sent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> StimA ? StimB
>
> bored ? beard
> cede ? ?seed
> sell ? ? ? ? ? ?cell
> cent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 15:31:43 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:31:43 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
In-Reply-To: <27349e75-4617-4afd-b7b6-0383f03cdbdb@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.083143.0700.>

Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.

Sorry if I am not explaining this well.

On Jul 10, 10:43?am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> list randomly call between two procedures. ?The only item in each of
> those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> to each MAIN. ?Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> done.
>
> On Jul 8, 4:11?pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > MAIN ? ? ? ? ? ?WORD2 ? ? ? ? ? WORD3
>
> > bored ? ? ? ? ? board ? ? ? ? ? beard
> > cede ? ? ? ? ? ?seed ? ? ? ? ? ?seen
> > sell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?call
> > cent ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?sent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > StimA ? StimB
>
> > bored ? beard
> > cede ? ?seed
> > sell ? ? ? ? ? ?cell
> > cent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 16:41:11 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:41:11 -0400
Subject: Show random attribute from list
In-Reply-To: <1d7c43eb-650c-43d1-bd10-5a7c50f1db40@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.10.JUL.2008.124111.0400.>

you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.

first, the columns:
column 1 = FirstWord
column 2 = SecondWord
under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
under SecondWord write [Word2]

now the rows:
both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB

in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2

add all you main words to the column, Word1
and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
WordListB, respectively.

set all the lists to select at random.

this should do it.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmerobot at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
> >
> > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > done.
> >
> > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
> >
> > > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
> >
> > > bored           board           beard
> > > cede            seed            seen
> > > sell                    cell                    call
> > > cent                    sent            seat
> >
> > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
> >
> > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
> >
> > > StimA   StimB
> >
> > > bored   beard
> > > cede    seed
> > > sell            cell
> > > cent            seat
> >
> > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
> >
>

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From shinyi.fang at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 17:32:03 2008
From: shinyi.fang at gmail.com (ShinYi)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:32:03 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
In-Reply-To: <3345e4a50807100941k100a3e32ofb991988457e1aea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.103203.0700.>

Hi,

I am not sure if I understood this correctly. However, there might be
two
problems in this procedure. 1. The MAIN word might not match the
corresponding WORD2/WORD3. 2. This can not prevent both homophone
pairs
presented in the experiment.

The procedure I have in mind is two level nested lists.
First nested list has one column, SELECTWORD and two rows, [WORD2] and
[WORD3].
Second nested list will be nested in the first nested list. It has two
columns, WORD2 and WORD3. They are homophone pairs.
In this way, the first nested list will select either one of the
homophone
pairs and the second nested list will provide the stimuli.

FYI,

Shin-Yi



On Jul 10, 12:41 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.
>
> first, the columns:
> column 1 = FirstWord
> column 2 = SecondWord
> under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
> under SecondWord write [Word2]
>
> now the rows:
> both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
> row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
> row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB
>
> in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
> in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2
>
> add all you main words to the column, Word1
> and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
> WordListB, respectively.
>
> set all the lists to select at random.
>
> this should do it.
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> > clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> > WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> > WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> > WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> > were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> > Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> > On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> > > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > > list randomly call between two procedures.  The only item in each of
> > > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > > to each MAIN.  Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > > done.
>
> > > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > > > MAIN            WORD2           WORD3
>
> > > > bored           board           beard
> > > > cede            seed            seen
> > > > sell                    cell                    call
> > > > cent                    sent            seat
>
> > > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > > > StimA   StimB
>
> > > > bored   beard
> > > > cede    seed
> > > > sell            cell
> > > > cent            seat
>
> > > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 18:38:26 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:38:26 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.113826.0700.>

Hi E-primers,

I have the following problem with the inline and I hope someone can
help me:
I'm using the DoHitTest inline for my task and have defined the
response areas for
mouse input. The inline script works fine for other "normal" Slide-
objects with one state, but when I need to apply this script on Slide-
objects with multiple SlideStates, it goes awry.

In my task, my Slide-object "Motor" consists of 4 SlideStates ("UL"
"UR" "BL" "BR").
The problem I assume is in the first part of the script, and when I
look at the notepad file
to see how my responses are logged, only for the "UL" SlideState are
the responses logged
properly, but this does not happen for the other SlideStates "UR",
"BL" and "BR".

How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?

Many thanks in advance,
Dina


DoHitTest-Inline script:

'Designate "theState" as the Default Slide State, which is the
'current, ActiveState on the Slide object "Stimulus"

Dim theState as SlideState
Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")

Dim strHit As String

Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData

'Was there a response?
If Motor.InputMasks.Responses.Count > 0 Then

'Get the mouse response

Set theMouseResponseData =
CMouseResponseData(Motor.InputMasks.Responses(1))

'Determine string name of SlideImage or SlideText
'object at mouse click coordinates.
'Assign that value to strHit

strHit = theState.HitTest(theMouseResponseData.CursorX,
theMouseResponseData.CursorY)

Select Case strHit

Case "UpperLeft"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 1
Case "UpperRight"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 2
Case "BottomLeft"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 3
Case "BottomRight"
	c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 4
Case Else
	Goto Label3

End Select

'Compare string name where mouse click occurred to
'CorrectAnswer attribute on each trial, and score
'response
'NOTE: This comparison is case sensitive

	If strHit = c.GetAttrib ("CorrectAnswer") Then
		Motor.ACC = 1
	Else
		Motor.ACC = 0
	End If

End If

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Mon Jul 14 18:52:44 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:52:44 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.145244.0400.>

Dina,

>How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
>matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?

Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not 
used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on 
my understanding I would say the problem is with

>Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")

since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try

Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)

and see if that helps.

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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 19:41:13 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:41:13 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <487ba081.01e5220a.5ec7.5c91SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.124113.0700.>

Hi David,

Thanks for your suggestion!
I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
responses appropriately.
I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.

This is what the output says:

Trial 1

CorrectAnswer: 1
StateName: UL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 2

CorrectAnswer: 3
StateName: BL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 3

CorrectAnswer: 2
StateName: UR
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
I'm not sure how this can be solved.

Dina

David McFarlane wrote:
> Dina,
>
> >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
>
> Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> my understanding I would say the problem is with
>
> >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
>
> since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
>
> Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
>
> and see if that helps.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 19:52:22 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:52:22 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideState
In-Reply-To: <bb4c53ee-977c-4424-ad25-753ba2a71242@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.155222.0400.>

if you're responding with a mouse, and clicking the left button, i believe
all your responses will be '1'.  you may need to set up a script to assign a
value to Motor.ACC depending on the results of your HitTest.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dina <deedeevau at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion!
> I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
> responses appropriately.
> I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.
>
> This is what the output says:
>
> Trial 1
>
> CorrectAnswer: 1
> StateName: UL
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> Trial 2
>
> CorrectAnswer: 3
> StateName: BL
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> Trial 3
>
> CorrectAnswer: 2
> StateName: UR
> Motor.ACC: 0
> Motor.RESP: 1
>
> What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
> I'm not sure how this can be solved.
>
> Dina
>
> David McFarlane wrote:
> > Dina,
> >
> > >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> > >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
> >
> > Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> > used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> > my understanding I would say the problem is with
> >
> > >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
> >
> > since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
> >
> > Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
> >
> > and see if that helps.
> >
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
> >
>

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From scampbell at casl.umd.edu  Mon Jul 14 20:15:42 2008
From: scampbell at casl.umd.edu (Susan G. Campbell)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:15:42 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <bb4c53ee-977c-4424-ad25-753ba2a71242@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.161542.0400.>

Hi Dina,

I'll take a wild guess here, based on your code sample and answers.  I
think David probably solved the SlideState problem, and this is
something else. I'm a little rusty at debugging other people's E-Basic,
so I may be way off.  From this code snippet:

	Select Case strHit

	Case "UpperLeft"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 1
	Case "UpperRight"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 2
	Case "BottomLeft"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 3
	Case "BottomRight"
		c.setattrib "CorrectAnswer", 4
	Case Else
		Goto Label3

	End Select

It looks like what you're setting based on what the participant hits
isn't Motor.RESP but CorrectAnswer -- so it's changing the correct
answer based on what the participant answers, and not setting Motor.RESP
to anything (so it'll always be 1, corresponding to the left mouse
button as Ben said).  

Then in your comparison, you're comparing strHit (which is, I'm guessing
based on your case statement above, a string with content like
"UpperLeft") to CorrectAnswer (which is a number).  That's always going
to be false.  I'm not sure why CorrectAnswer isn't the name of the
object they should click on, but that's what this comparison assumes is
going on:

If strHit = c.GetAttrib ("CorrectAnswer") Then
		Motor.ACC = 1
	Else
		Motor.ACC = 0
	End If

You should be able to verify the content of these variables with the
judicious use of Debug.Print, though.  

Hope this helps,
Susan

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Behalf Of Dina
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:41 PM
To: E-Prime
Subject: Re: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates


Hi David,

Thanks for your suggestion!
I tried it out and the programme does run, but still does not log the
responses appropriately.
I acted like the perfect participant and made no errors.

This is what the output says:

Trial 1

CorrectAnswer: 1
StateName: UL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 2

CorrectAnswer: 3
StateName: BL
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

Trial 3

CorrectAnswer: 2
StateName: UR
Motor.ACC: 0
Motor.RESP: 1

What I also noticed is that Motor.ACC = 0, even for the first trial.
I'm not sure how this can be solved.

Dina

David McFarlane wrote:
> Dina,
>
> >How can I modify the script in such a way that every response, no
> >matter what SlideState, will be logged appropriately?
>
> Your code fragment was very helpful.  Just a guess, since I have not
> used DoHitTest and I did not test this with sample code, but based on
> my understanding I would say the problem is with
>
> >Set theState = Motor.States ("UL")
>
> since this always refers just to your UL state.  Instead, try
>
> Set theState = Motor.States (Motor.ActiveState)
>
> and see if that helps.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 23:58:01 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:58:01 -0700
Subject: baby question
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.165801.0700.>

Hi
I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
way of doing this?

Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
task at the end of the word presentation.

Any help is more than welcome  :)

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From neurodrum at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 00:08:55 2008
From: neurodrum at gmail.com (andrew)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:08:55 -0700
Subject: ExpressCard parallel port adaptors?
Message-ID: <MON.14.JUL.2008.170855.0700.>

hi folks,

has anyone had any success (or failure) sending event triggers out to
an external device using ExpressCard/34 or ExpressCard/54 cards that
provide a parallel port?

thanks,
andrew


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:20:57 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:20:57 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.072057.0700.>

Hi
I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
way of doing this?

Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
task at the end of the word presentation.

Any help is more than welcome  :)
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From mahayanag at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:57:02 2008
From: mahayanag at gmail.com (Mahayana Godoy)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:02 -0300
Subject: different presentation times
In-Reply-To: <b47ddec1-cb17-4fcf-befd-d776831a0560@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.115702.0300.>

Jotapan,

you can do it by selecting the duration you want in the textdisplay object's
property page (duration/input tab). When i have to work with two separate
lists, i prefer to create nested lists (you have an example of nested list
in the samples experiments. once you understand it, it's easy to program).
Then, you'll have a textdisplay object for first list (and you can set the
duration in 2000ms), and another for the second (and you can set  the
duration in  5000ms).

Don't forget to select "random" in ALL your listobjects'  property page!

Mahayana


2008/7/15 jotapan <jotapan at hotmail.com>:

>
> Hi
> I'm sure this is a beginner's question, but here it goes...
> I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
> presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
> two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
> words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
> way of doing this?
>
> Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
> 5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
> task at the end of the word presentation.
>
> Any help is more than welcome  :)
> >
>

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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:04:25 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:04:25 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.080425.0700.>

Mahayana,

Thanks for this suggestion! I tried doing this already, but I was
really hoping to be able to randomly select from a single list of
items some to be presented in a certain duration and others at the
other duration. Is this possible in the way you are describing it?
Also, doing the procedure as you describe it, will the program
randomly select from one or the other nested list?

Thank you for your help! :)
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 15:15:14 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:15:14 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <6E3FDD28350CF344AC283906612E40C30182770C@ex2.casl.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.111514.0400.>

Dina,

Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even 
look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I 
think you want something more like this:

     Select Case strHit
       Case "UpperLeft"
         Motor.RESP = 1
       Case "UpperRight"
         Motor.RESP = 2
       Case "BottomLeft"
         Motor.RESP = 3
       Case "BottomRight"
         Motor.RESP = 4
       Case Else
     	 Goto Label3
     End Select
     If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1

assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1 
for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single 
characters for Correct, not strings).

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 15:23:16 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:16 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
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Jotapan,

>I'm programming a simple experiment in which participants will be
>presented with single words. I want words to be presented randomly in
>two different times (lets say 2sec and 5 sec) but making sure half the
>words are presented with each presentation time... Is there a simple
>way of doing this?

Yes.  In your display object, I would use an attribute for the 
Duration, say, [Duration] (and for future use, please note that you 
can use an attribute reference for almost any object property, very 
handy).  Then in your trial list, I would add a column for Duration. 
I would make two rows for every word.  In one of those rows I would 
put 2000 in the Duration column, and in the other I would put 5000 
for Duration.

>Also, I would like to present a clock on the screen counting down from
>5 min to 0 min (time's up!) (e.g., 5min, 1min...) for an additional
>task at the end of the word presentation.

This is not simple.  I think this has been asked before, perhaps even 
answered, perhaps a search of the archive will help.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:44:32 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:44:32 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.084432.0700.>

Thanks for this idea!!
This will make the same word be presented twice-each time with a
different presentation time (I think)? But I only wan each word to
appear once with the presentation time A or B (and have this be chosen
randomly although an equal number of times during the experiment). I?m
sorry if I wasn?t clear on my post? and thank you in advance.

Jotapan


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From scampbell at casl.umd.edu  Tue Jul 15 16:01:28 2008
From: scampbell at casl.umd.edu (Susan G. Campbell)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:01:28 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
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Hi Jotapan,

You're right, I think.  What you might try, though, is a combination of
David's idea and Mayahana's -- you can create a single list with two
rows, Duration=2000 and Duration=5000, then nest another list within it
that contains the actual words.  So you'd have two randomized lists
(excuse my formatting if this doesn't come out fixed-width):

PresentationList:
Weight	Nested	StimDuration	PresentWord
2		WordList	2000			[SelectWord]
2		WordList	5000			[SelectWord]

WordList:
SelectWord
Lion
Tiger
Bear
Oh My

Note that unless you want to have every pair include a 2s and a 5s,
you'd need to make the weights on the 2-row list greater than 1 -- if
you'd like to present a total of 10, make the weights 5 and 5, for
instance.

For a sample script with a countdown clock, I'd try this from the PST
sample library:
http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/samples.asp?Mode=View&SampleID=40

HTH,
Susan

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Thanks for this idea!!
This will make the same word be presented twice-each time with a
different presentation time (I think)... But I only wan each word to
appear once with the presentation time A or B (and have this be chosen
randomly although an equal number of times during the experiment). I'm
sorry if I wasn't clear on my post... and thank you in advance.

Jotapan




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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jul 15 16:03:27 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:03:27 -0400
Subject: different presentation times
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Jotapan,

>I only wan each word to appear once with the presentation time A or 
>B (and have this be chosen randomly although an equal number of 
>times during the experiment).

Aha.  Let me see if I have this now.  Let's say you have 10 different 
words.  You want a random selection of five of these to appear for 
2000ms, and the other five to appear for 5000ms.  Does that sound right?

For this you will need nested lists.  One way, let's use TrialList 
for the words, and DurationList for the durations.  Put each word in 
a row of TrialList, and put "DurationList" in the Nested 
column.  DurationList will have two rows, and a column for 
Duration.  Use 2000 for the Duration in one row, 5000 for the other 
row, and set Weight in both rows to 5 (i.e., half of 10, per our 
example above) .  Set all lists to Random selection (although, for 
practice, you shoud first run everything as Sequential to see how it 
works).  As an extra exercise, try setting the Weights in 
DurationList instead to 1 and see what happens.  Try other 
values.  Explore and learn.

BTW, you could just as easily reverse the roles of the word and 
duration lists.  I.e., let TrialList have two rows, and a column for 
duration, one row for each duration with a Weight of 5, and put 
WordList in the Nested column.  Then put your words in WordList, 
randomize everything, etc.  It's largely a matter of taste, or 
whatever you feel most transparently represents your problem domain.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From deedeevau at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 16:33:52 2008
From: deedeevau at hotmail.com (Dina)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:33:52 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.093352.0700.>

Dear David, Susan and Ben,

Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
and advice!!
I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
the trials correct
and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
output-file.
It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
the other ones as well.

Thanks again!
Dina

On Jul 15, 4:15?pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Dina,
>
> Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> think you want something more like this:
>
> ? ? ?Select Case strHit
> ? ? ? ?Case "UpperLeft"
> ? ? ? ? ?Motor.RESP = 1
> ? ? ? ?Case "UpperRight"
> ? ? ? ? ?Motor.RESP = 2
> ? ? ? ?Case "BottomLeft"
> ? ? ? ? ?Motor.RESP = 3
> ? ? ? ?Case "BottomRight"
> ? ? ? ? ?Motor.RESP = 4
> ? ? ? ?Case Else
> ? ? ? ? ?Goto Label3
> ? ? ?End Select
> ? ? ?If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From jotapan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 15 18:43:37 2008
From: jotapan at hotmail.com (jotapan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:43:37 -0700
Subject: different presentation times
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Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.114337.0700.>

Thank you all

I think I've got it :)

 Jotapan
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From mary.koziura at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 22:19:02 2008
From: mary.koziura at gmail.com (Mary)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:19:02 -0700
Subject: Nested list problem
Message-ID: <TUE.15.JUL.2008.151902.0700.>

I am just learning how to use E-Prime and I am trying to design an
experiment with nested lists. One list is different sentences that I
want to be presented to the participant and the other list is full of
words appropriate for the sentence or not appropriate. Right now I
only have 2 sentences being presented. Each appears 4 times with 4
different words.

I was wondering if there was a way to ensure that only those 4
specific words would be presented with that specific sentence once.  I
have it specified with which word I want with each sentence and the
correct answer but when I actually run my experiment that is not the
case. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me. Thanks!
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From sahyang at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:27:45 2008
From: sahyang at gmail.com (SK)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:27:45 -0700
Subject: audio + video with different onset
Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.052745.0700.>

Hi,
I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
presentation.
In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hit a
button.
Can anyone shed light on this problem?
Thank you for your help in advance.

SK
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From sahyang at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:30:30 2008
From: sahyang at gmail.com (SK)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:30:30 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.053030.0700.>

Hi,
I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
presentation.
In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
button.
Can anyone shed light on this problem?
Thank you for your help in advance.

SK

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From ddiodati at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 19:26:16 2008
From: ddiodati at gmail.com (David)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:26:16 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.122616.0700.>

Hi everyone,

I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.

Any help is much appreciated,

David

On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear David, Susan and Ben,
>
> Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> and advice!!
> I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> the trials correct
> and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> output-file.
> It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> the other ones as well.
>
> Thanks again!
> Dina
>
> On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Dina,
>
> > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > think you want something more like this:
>
> >      Select Case strHit
> >        Case "UpperLeft"
> >          Motor.RESP = 1
> >        Case "UpperRight"
> >          Motor.RESP = 2
> >        Case "BottomLeft"
> >          Motor.RESP = 3
> >        Case "BottomRight"
> >          Motor.RESP = 4
> >        Case Else
> >          Goto Label3
> >      End Select
> >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 19:40:47 2008
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:47 -0400
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
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Message-ID: <WED.16.JUL.2008.154047.0400.>

under Case Else, just tell it to Goto a Label object, which you will place
immediately before your Slide object.  if they don't click an appropriate
place on the slide object, the script with jump back to the label, and rerun
the Slide object.  the participant won't notice a thing.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, David <ddiodati at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
> next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
> move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
> do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
> prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.
>
> Any help is much appreciated,
>
> David
>
> On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear David, Susan and Ben,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> > and advice!!
> > I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> > the trials correct
> > and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> > output-file.
> > It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> > the other ones as well.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Dina
> >
> > On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Dina,
> >
> > > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > > think you want something more like this:
> >
> > >      Select Case strHit
> > >        Case "UpperLeft"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 1
> > >        Case "UpperRight"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 2
> > >        Case "BottomLeft"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 3
> > >        Case "BottomRight"
> > >          Motor.RESP = 4
> > >        Case Else
> > >          Goto Label3
> > >      End Select
> > >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
> >
> > > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > > characters for Correct, not strings).
> >
> > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
> >
>

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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 20:29:20 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:29:20 -0700
Subject: Nested list problem
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I may be confused on the current set-up of your experiment based on
the description, but as I understand it you have one list with two
rows.  Each row has one of the sentences as an extra column.  The
weight on each row is set to four, and they are both calling the same
nested list.  The nested list has four rows each with a different
word.

I think the best way to do this would be:
Have the first sentence list call different nested lists.  You add two
columns to each of those perhaps with labels Appropriate and
NotAppropriate.  Place the corresponding words in each of those
columns and then use [Appropriate] and [NotAppropriate] accordingly to
display them or do any logic checks you want.  And, make sure the
sampling of your nested lists is not set to Random w/ Replacement.


On Jul 15, 6:19?pm, Mary <mary.kozi... at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am just learning how to use E-Prime and I am trying to design an
> experiment with nested lists. One list is different sentences that I
> want to be presented to the participant and the other list is full of
> words appropriate for the sentence or not appropriate. Right now I
> only have 2 sentences being presented. Each appears 4 times with 4
> different words.
>
> I was wondering if there was a way to ensure that only those 4
> specific words would be presented with that specific sentence once. ?I
> have it specified with which word I want with each sentence and the
> correct answer but when I actually run my experiment that is not the
> case. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me. Thanks!
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 20:33:56 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:33:56 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
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That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
group can give you a solution using just e-prime.

But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.

I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
participants.  You'd have to test it out.

On Jul 16, 8:30?am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> presentation.
> In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> button.
> Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> Thank you for your help in advance.
>
> SK
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From satrevik at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 09:20:42 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:20:42 -0700
Subject: audio + video different onsets
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.022042.0700.>

Hi SK,

if I understand your problem correctly, you should be able to do this
by having a procedure with one object with a duration of 500 ms that
starts the sound file, but has the property "Stop after" set to
"No" (this allows the sound to continue playing although the object
terminates), followed by a 1500 ms object for the picture display.

I hope this helps,
Bj?rn S?trevik

On Jul 16, 10:33 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
> solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
> group can give you a solution using just e-prime.
>
> But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
> ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
> I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.
>
> I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
> you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
> participants.  You'd have to test it out.
>
> On Jul 16, 8:30 am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> > presentation.
> > In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> > image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> > played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> > file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> > to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> > button.
> > Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> > Thank you for your help in advance.
>
> > SK
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From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:05:49 -0700
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.030549.0700.>

I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
inline with the code:

Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder

But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
skipped.

Any help here would be appreciated. Kind regards,
Bj?rn S?trevik
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From: xing1932 at gmail.com (varonica)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:37:46 -0700
Subject: Want to pramote your web site .Web pramotion is free for you.
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From ddiodati at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 17:34:53 2008
From: ddiodati at gmail.com (David)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:34:53 -0700
Subject: DoHitTest & Multiple SlideStates
In-Reply-To: <3345e4a50807161240x50b0e7bah9746db719aa973b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.103453.0700.>

Thank you, it is perfect!

On Jul 16, 3:40 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> under Case Else, just tell it to Goto a Label object, which you will place
> immediately before your Slide object.  if they don't click an appropriate
> place on the slide object, the script with jump back to the label, and rerun
> the Slide object.  the participant won't notice a thing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, David <ddiod... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> > I am creating a similar experiment, and would like it to move onto the
> > next trial only if a slidetext object is clicked. As of now, it will
> > move on regardless. I know I need to use the select case function, but
> > do not know the corresponding command to use with Case Else that would
> > prevent the participant from moving to the next trial.
>
> > Any help is much appreciated,
>
> > David
>
> > On Jul 15, 12:33 pm, Dina <deedee... at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear David, Susan and Ben,
>
> > > Thank you so much for your suggestions, I greatly appreciate your help
> > > and advice!!
> > > I tried it out and it works well! On purpose I did the first half of
> > > the trials correct
> > > and the second half incorrect and this is exactly what it shows on the
> > > output-file.
> > > It was a recurring problem in all my tasks and now I can correct it in
> > > the other ones as well.
>
> > > Thanks again!
> > > Dina
>
> > > On Jul 15, 4:15 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Dina,
>
> > > > Following up on Susan's response (and admitting that I didn't even
> > > > look at the response scoring part of your code the first time), I
> > > > think you want something more like this:
>
> > > >      Select Case strHit
> > > >        Case "UpperLeft"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 1
> > > >        Case "UpperRight"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 2
> > > >        Case "BottomLeft"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 3
> > > >        Case "BottomRight"
> > > >          Motor.RESP = 4
> > > >        Case Else
> > > >          Goto Label3
> > > >      End Select
> > > >      If Motor.RESP = Motor.CRESP Then Motor.ACC = 1
>
> > > > assuming that you have used the Correct property of Motor to assign 1
> > > > for a correct response of "UpperLeft", etc. (EP allows only single
> > > > characters for Correct, not strings).
>
> > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From prashanth149 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 17:44:28 2008
From: prashanth149 at gmail.com (Prashanth Nyalakanti)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:44:28 -0600
Subject: Dual Visual Field task
Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.114428.0600.>

Hi all,
I am trying to design a Dual Visual Field task. In this task the subject is
given two different stimuli one on the right side and one in the left side.
He has to respond with two different buttons. My questions are
How do we make EPRIME to record two responses?
If we record two responses can we make it assign the responses to LEFT and
RIGHT side only. Like Letters 'A'or'S' for left and 'K'or'L' for right? so
that I can compare the ACC for this two separately?
Any suggestions in this regard would be helpful.

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Prashanth Nyalakanti

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jul 17 21:19:59 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:19:59 -0400
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
In-Reply-To: <6c1c3407-7317-4723-83c6-41fcedb475cd@k13g2000hse.googlegro
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.171959.0400.>

Bj?rn,

>I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
>want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
>question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
>inline with the code:
>
>Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder
>
>But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
>skipped.

You are so close.  Here is the complete example 
right from the RandomOrder Object topic in the E-Basic online help:

Set List1.Order = RandomOrder
List1.Reset

You were just missing the .Reset.  Give that a try.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jul 17 21:27:36 2008
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:27:36 -0400
Subject: audio + video different onsets
In-Reply-To: <2e42d78d-c998-4eef-bf74-bd4bb3640dc2@y38g2000hsy.googlegro
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Message-ID: <THU.17.JUL.2008.172736.0400.>

SK,

Adding to Bj?rn's response with more info on 
terminating both with a button press...  Set it 
up so only the sound gets a response, not the 
image.  Set the response Time Limit to 2000, and 
End Action to Terminate.  As I understand, a 
response will then terminate all running display 
objects (though I did not run a test myself, so I hope this works).

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


At 7/17/2008 05:20 AM Thursday, Bj?rn S?trevik wrote:

>Hi SK,
>
>if I understand your problem correctly, you should be able to do this
>by having a procedure with one object with a duration of 500 ms that
>starts the sound file, but has the property "Stop after" set to
>"No" (this allows the sound to continue playing although the object
>terminates), followed by a 1500 ms object for the picture display.
>
>I hope this helps,
>Bj?rn S?trevik
>
>On Jul 16, 10:33 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's an interesting problem and not one I'd actually know how to
> > solve in e-prime.  It may be possible that one of the experts in this
> > group can give you a solution using just e-prime.
> >
> > But, I would solve it by splitting my  sound files in two pieces.  500
> > ms first section, and allow some prerelease time for the image which
> > I'd place right after that, then play the 1500 ms second section.
> >
> > I don't know if that would be possible with the type of .wav files
> > you're playing, but I don't think it would be noticeable by the
> > participants.  You'd have to test it out.
> >
> > On Jul 16, 8:30 am, SK <sahy... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm new to E-prime and having a problem with timing of stimuli
> > > presentation.
> > > In each trial of my experiment, a sound file will be played and an
> > > image file will be presented while the sound file is still being
> > > played. Suppose there's a 2000 ms sound file - if I'd like an image
> > > file to start at 500ms, what should I do? I also want the two stimuli
> > > to be terminated at the same time as soon as the subject hits a
> > > button.
> > > Can anyone shed light on this problem?
> > > Thank you for your help in advance.
> >
> > > SK



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From satrevik at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 08:50:18 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:50:18 -0700
Subject: Use scripting to change list selection order
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Message-ID: <FRI.18.JUL.2008.015018.0700.>

That works perfectly (I had only looked at the online help for the
FactorSpace.Order property).

Thanks for the quick and competent reply,
Bj?rn



On Jul 17, 11:19 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> Bj?rn,
>
> >I have a list that runs in sequential order, and at some instances I
> >want to change it to run in randomized order (based on a start-up
> >question). I tried solving this in a quite simple way by adding an
> >inline with the code:
>
> >Set ListName.Order = RandomOrder
>
> >But when running the experiment this caused the entire list to be
> >skipped.
>
> You are so close.  Here is the complete example
> right from the RandomOrder Object topic in the E-Basic online help:
>
> Set List1.Order = RandomOrder
> List1.Reset
>
> You were just missing the .Reset.  Give that a try.
>
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
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From kfevre at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 14:41:38 2008
From: kfevre at gmail.com (Kay)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:41:38 -0700
Subject: Jumping to new list
Message-ID: <FRI.18.JUL.2008.074138.0700.>

What script would i insert to have eprime jump to one of two list in a
procedure based on either a CRESP or nonCRESP
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From salambai01 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 18:07:07 2008
From: salambai01 at gmail.com (shalambai shalambai)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:07:07 +0800
Subject: i help 4 u
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From yihuihung1116 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 10:56:25 2008
From: yihuihung1116 at gmail.com (Yihui)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:56:25 -0700
Subject: Can I create the same request in this group as the one in e-prime
 web  support?
Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.2008.035625.0700.>

Hello,

Can I create the same request in this group as the one in e-prime web
support? Are people here viewing my question the same ones who receive
my request in e-prime web support? Is there any other way to
facilitate the process so I can get the answer to my problem as soon
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From undressmerobot at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 23:07:20 2008
From: undressmerobot at gmail.com (Spencer S)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:07:20 -0700
Subject: Show random attribute from list
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Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.2008.160720.0700.>

Shin-Yi: That sounds like it would work, though I have not tried it. I
was able to get help from someone else in the lab here, and here is
what I wound up doing, which is pretty simple to implement:

List1:

Weight		Nested			StimA		StimB		CorrectAnswer
10			HomophoneList		[Main]		[Word2]		1
10			HomophoneList		[Main]		[Word3]		2

And then HomophoneList contains all of the word triplets in three
columns (Main/Word2/Word3). So for 20 word pairs, this would show 10
as Main/Word2 and 10 with Main/Word3, and also allow you to set a
Correct Answer if you are collecting responses.

Thanks for all the answers!.

On Jul 14, 1:32?pm, ShinYi <shinyi.f... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure if I understood this correctly. However, there might be
> two
> problems in this procedure. 1. The MAIN word might not match the
> corresponding WORD2/WORD3. 2. This can not prevent both homophone
> pairs
> presented in the experiment.
>
> The procedure I have in mind is two level nested lists.
> First nested list has one column, SELECTWORD and two rows, [WORD2] and
> [WORD3].
> Second nested list will be nested in the first nested list. It has two
> columns, WORD2 and WORD3. They are homophone pairs.
> In this way, the first nested list will select either one of the
> homophone
> pairs and the second nested list will provide the stimuli.
>
> FYI,
>
> Shin-Yi
>
> On Jul 10, 12:41 pm, "ben robinson" <baltimore.... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > you need one top-level list object, List1, with 2 rows and two columns.
>
> > first, the columns:
> > column 1 = FirstWord
> > column 2 = SecondWord
> > under FirstWord you'll want to write [Word1]
> > under SecondWord write [Word2]
>
> > now the rows:
> > both rows will call run the same procedure, ShowWordsProc.
> > row 1's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListA
> > row 2's nested lists = MainWordList and WordListB
>
> > in MainWordList you'll need to add a column called Word1
> > in both WordListA and WordListB you'll need to add a column called Word2
>
> > add all you main words to the column, Word1
> > and add all your list2 and list3 words to the column Word2 in WordListA and
> > WordListB, respectively.
>
> > set all the lists to select at random.
>
> > this should do it.
>
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ben, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately (and I did not make this
> > > clear originally), I am looking to pair MAIN with ONLY either WORD2 or
> > > WORD3. That is, each MAIN word is shown once, with either WORD2 or
> > > WORD3, such that 50% of the trials have the MAIN word shown with
> > > WORD2, and 50% have it with WORD3. For instance, if BORED and BEARD
> > > were selected, then BORED and BOARD would not be shown later.
>
> > > Sorry if I am not explaining this well.
>
> > > On Jul 10, 10:43 am, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There are a couple different ways you could do this.
>
> > > > The solution that I think is least complicated would be to make one
> > > > list randomly call between two procedures. ?The only item in each of
> > > > those procedures would be a list with two additional attributes:
> > > > MAIN, WORD, where the WORD attribute contains the corresponding word
> > > > to each MAIN. ?Then you have your presentation procedure and you're
> > > > done.
>
> > > > On Jul 8, 4:11 pm, Spencer S <undressmero... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What I have is a list of homophones, like the following:
>
> > > > > MAIN ? ? ? ? ? ?WORD2 ? ? ? ? ? WORD3
>
> > > > > bored ? ? ? ? ? board ? ? ? ? ? beard
> > > > > cede ? ? ? ? ? ?seed ? ? ? ? ? ?seen
> > > > > sell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?call
> > > > > cent ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?sent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> > > > > I want to show pairs of words such that the MAIN word is always shown,
> > > > > and then either WORD2 or WORD3 is chosen to be shown at random. Half
> > > > > the time WORD2 would be shown, half the time WORD3 would be shown.
>
> > > > > For example, using the above words, a sample set of trials would be:
>
> > > > > StimA ? StimB
>
> > > > > bored ? beard
> > > > > cede ? ?seed
> > > > > sell ? ? ? ? ? ?cell
> > > > > cent ? ? ? ? ? ?seat
>
> > > > > Or: MAIN/WORD3, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD2, MAIN/WORD3.
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From Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:40:05 2008
From: Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com (Jasmit)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:40:05 -0700
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.2008.104005.0700.>

I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task.  Every
time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
"You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
masks that use this device will be disabled."  When I run the script I
can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
there is nothing.  I read on another post that build version 101
corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
issue here considering I have a more recent version.  Any insights
into this problem would be great, thanks.

Jasmit
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From mahayanag at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:53:32 2008
From: mahayanag at gmail.com (Mahayana Godoy)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:53:32 -0300
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
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Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.2008.145332.0300.>

Hi, Jasmit

I didn't get exactly what you're trying to do and i don't know if i can
help, but i had problems with adding a joystick as an input device.

I wrote to PST staff and received this answer:

"Dear Mahayana,

Although E-Prime 2.0 does support adding the Joystick device through the
user interface, it does not support the use of the Joystick as an Input
Mask. Only E-Prime 2.0 Professional supports the latter feature. To use the
Joystick as input, you will have to access it manually using script. Please
see our Knowledge Base topic FEATURE: Joystick
Device<http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1249>for
detailed information about accessing the
Joystick in script."

although it's written in user's and reference guide we can add a joystick as
an input device, we actually can't...


Mahayana

PS: I use E-prime Release Candidate 2.0.1.119


2008/7/23 Jasmit <Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com>:

>
> I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
> use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task.  Every
> time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
> "You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
> into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
> masks that use this device will be disabled."  When I run the script I
> can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
> there is nothing.  I read on another post that build version 101
> corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
> issue here considering I have a more recent version.  Any insights
> into this problem would be great, thanks.
>
> Jasmit
> >
>

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From Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 18:27:55 2008
From: Jasmit.Brar at gmail.com (Jasmit)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:27:55 -0700
Subject: Problem with using a Joystick
In-Reply-To: <5faf3ad00807231053r7b5a4a63g2b8074cb1d442541@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.2008.112755.0700.>

Thanks Mahayana,

I used the "Joystick.AttachToMouseCursor = True" in an inline to
control the mouse with the joystick and that seems to work just fine
now.  The only problem now is that Eprime is not recognizing the
responses I make with the joystick button.  I appears on the support
website that this function is restricted to Eprime 2.0 Professional.
Is there any way around this?

Jasmit

On Jul 23, 1:53?pm, "Mahayana Godoy" <mahaya... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Jasmit
>
> I didn't get exactly what you're trying to do and i don't know if i can
> help, but i had problems with adding a joystick as an input device.
>
> I wrote to PST staff and received this answer:
>
> "Dear Mahayana,
>
> Although E-Prime 2.0 does support adding the Joystick device through the
> user interface, it does not support the use of the Joystick as an Input
> Mask. Only E-Prime 2.0 Professional supports the latter feature. To use the
> Joystick as input, you will have to access it manually using script. Please
> see our Knowledge Base topic FEATURE: Joystick
> Device<http://www.pstnet.com/e-prime/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1249>for
> detailed information about accessing the
> Joystick in script."
>
> although it's written in user's and reference guide we can add a joystick as
> an input device, we actually can't...
>
> Mahayana
>
> PS: I use E-prime Release Candidate 2.0.1.119
>
> 2008/7/23 Jasmit <Jasmit.B... at gmail.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am using E-prime 2.0 Release Candidate 2.0.1.127 and I am trying to
> > use a Mag Design fMRI joystick to emulate the mouse in a task. ?Every
> > time I set the joystick to emulate the mouse I get a message saying
> > "You have chosen to emulate a device by directing this device's input
> > into the input buffer of another. Please note that any current input
> > masks that use this device will be disabled." ?When I run the script I
> > can see the mouse and make responses, however when I move the joystick
> > there is nothing. ?I read on another post that build version 101
> > corrected a similar problem, I'm not sure whether that will solve the
> > issue here considering I have a more recent version. ?Any insights
> > into this problem would be great, thanks.
>
> > Jasmit- Hide quoted text -
>
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From eskim8 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 19:18:32 2008
From: eskim8 at gmail.com (eskim)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:18:32 -0700
Subject: display resolution - stretched out bitmaps
Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.2008.121832.0700.>

Hello,

New to E-Prime, we are using an old version (1.0) in our lab. We're
trying to run an experiment here that was created in a different lab
and we are having trouble with the images looking strange. I changed
the screen resolution and the experiment resolution to be the same
(1024 x 768) yet when it brings up some of the images they look all
'stretched out.' By the way, when I bring up the original .bmp files
they look fine, just when they're being displayed as part of the
experiment they look stretched out.

The experiment is a facial recognition task where the subject has to
make same/different judgements on 2 faces they see.

Any help anyone has to offer would be much appreciated. Thank you!
Esther
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From fahadahmad100 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 02:53:29 2008
From: fahadahmad100 at gmail.com (Psychologue)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:53:29 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.2008.195329.0700.>

Hi Everyone,

I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
of performance.
My questions which I need answered:

1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
six training sessions?

*2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
code this in E-Prime?*

3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are  six blocks
in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
session? I don't know how to do this.

4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
testing phase for a training session.
How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
trials.

Any Help is much appreciated
Thank you
Fahad
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From fluencystudy at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 16:13:34 2008
From: fluencystudy at gmail.com (signy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:34 -0700
Subject: including  stimuli that only appears in half trials, randomly
Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.2008.091334.0700.>

Hi,
I am trying to figure out how to present a stimuli (and record data)
that appears on only 1/2 the trials of the experiment?
Specifically, I am planning on presenting a word to which participants
have to make 12 responses (key presses). A participant will do this
for 40 different words, but for 20 of them (picked randomly), I would
like for them to respond to an additional stimuli that is presented
mid-way through their 12 responses?
Visually,
[item]
resp1
resp2
resp3
resp4
resp5
resp6
          <-- here, for half the trials, participants will be
presented with another screen/stim asking
               about their strategy of the 6 responses.
resp7
resp8
resp9
resp10
resp11
resp12

Any ideas on how to do this?

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From satrevik at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 12:45:42 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:45:42 -0700
Subject: display resolution - stretched out bitmaps
In-Reply-To: <a01e766c-4739-4e8a-8302-584d9f952748@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.2008.054542.0700.>

Hello Esther,

the ImageDisplay object has a property called "Stretch". If this is
set to "yes", the bitmap will be stretched to fit the  frame of the
object. Could this be the problem in your case?

Kind regards,
Bj?rn S?trevik

On Jul 24, 9:18 pm, eskim <esk... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> New to E-Prime, we are using an old version (1.0) in our lab. We're
> trying to run an experiment here that was created in a different lab
> and we are having trouble with the images looking strange. I changed
> the screen resolution and the experiment resolution to be the same
> (1024 x 768) yet when it brings up some of the images they look all
> 'stretched out.' By the way, when I bring up the original .bmp files
> they look fine, just when they're being displayed as part of the
> experiment they look stretched out.
>
> The experiment is a facial recognition task where the subject has to
> make same/different judgements on 2 faces they see.
>
> Any help anyone has to offer would be much appreciated. Thank you!
> Esther
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From satrevik at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 13:24:26 2008
From: satrevik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_S=E6trevik?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:24:26 -0700
Subject: including stimuli that only appears in half trials, randomly
In-Reply-To: <a8ea24e3-9a32-4de6-baaa-cd2c60ff489c@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.2008.062426.0700.>

Hi,

There are probably a number of ways you could solve this, but I guess
an easy fix would be like this:

Have a list that contains all the 40 words you want to present. This
list can run randomly or sequential according to your design demands.
For each level of this list, have a procedure that presents the word,
then contains a list with three levels, and make this list run
sequentially: the first level should run procedure A and have a weight
of six, the second level should run procedure B and have a a weight of
one, and the third level should run procedure A and have a weight of
six. Procedure A should record a single response to the presented
word. Procedure B should contain a list with two levels (selected
randomly): One level does nothing, while the other level asks your
question about strategy.

If the explanation is a bit hard to follow, I can email you a mock-up
of the programmed design.

Kind regards,
Bj?rn S?trevik

On Jul 25, 6:13 pm, signy <fluencyst... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to figure out how to present a stimuli (and record data)
> that appears on only 1/2 the trials of the experiment?
> Specifically, I am planning on presenting a word to which participants
> have to make 12 responses (key presses). A participant will do this
> for 40 different words, but for 20 of them (picked randomly), I would
> like for them to respond to an additional stimuli that is presented
> mid-way through their 12 responses?
> Visually,
> [item]
> resp1
> resp2
> resp3
> resp4
> resp5
> resp6
>           <-- here, for half the trials, participants will be
> presented with another screen/stim asking
>                about their strategy of the 6 responses.
> resp7
> resp8
> resp9
> resp10
> resp11
> resp12
>
> Any ideas on how to do this?
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From meg.phd at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 00:12:04 2008
From: meg.phd at gmail.com (bmu)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:04 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.2008.171204.0700.>

Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
"Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
I'm using version 1.0
Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 18:56:15 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:56:15 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
In-Reply-To: <38628b89-b133-4143-980e-60499297be87@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.115615.0700.>

2.  To accomplish this you will have to adjust the frame size for all
of your text displays and then create an image display (whose frame
does not overlap the text displays ) with the rectangle for the bar
graph feedback.  Alternatively, (and the easier option imo) is to draw
the rectangle in an inline.  You can lookup Canvas.Rectangle in the E-
Basic help for that.  You can handle the reaction time checks in
another inline as well with "StimDisplay.RT"

3.  I don't know if this is exactly what you require based upon your
description, but I wrote up a guide for my lab about creating simple
menus in E-Prime so you can access which parts of an experiment that
you want.  I've copied it for you below at the end of my message.

4.  If you add a counter as either a global variable which you can
then increment simply by putting in an InLine counter = counter + 1,
or as an attribute in a list which you can then increment by

counter = CInt(ListName.GetCurrentAttrib("counter"))
counter = counter + 1
ListName.SetAttrib "counter", Cstr(counter)

you can check if the counter has been incremented up to the total
number of training trials and if not

goto LabelAtTheEndOfTheProcedure

Place your feedback display between this inline and the label.


?All this code can be copy/pasted into an E-Prime InLine script and
edited to get the
?menu that you want
Dim Redo as Integer
Redo = 1

Do While Redo = 1  ?Must be made a loop, or after E-Prime runs the
first procedure the
		         ?experiment would automatically end

	Dim Menu as TextDisplay		?You can change Menu to whatever you like
	Set Menu = New TextDisplay	?and could presumably set up a sequence
						?of menus with different names if desired

?This section sets all the attributes of the menu, many of these can
be skipped with the
?code    InitTextDisplayDefaults Menu   but all of these can be
altered if wanted

	Menu.AlignHorizontal = "left"	?Horizontal alignment ?left? ?center?
?right?

	Menu.AlignVertical = "center"	?Vertical alignment ?top? ?center?
?bottom?

	Menu.FontName = "Courier New"	?Any of the font names E-Prime is
allowed

	Menu.FontBold = False		?Bold is the default, this makes it not bold

	Menu.FontSize = "28"		?Font size supplied as a string

	Menu.ForeColor = CColor("0,0,0")	?This is the text color, can use
color names
						?or RGB values, CColor converts it to Long

	Menu.BackColor = CColor("255,255,255")	?Background color

	Menu.Duration = CLng("-1")		?Sets how long the menu will appear on
the
						?screen.  A ?1 is an infinite duration.

	Menu.TimingMode = ebTimingModeEvent		?Sets the timing mode:
	?others allowed ebTimingModeCumulative and ebTimingModeCustom
	?If custom is used CustomOnsetTime and CustomOffsetTime must be set

	Menu.PreRelease = 0		?Sets prerelease time for the next object

	Menu.ClearAfter = True	?Not clearing after is default, this clears
the screen
					?when the menu is terminated




?Set up the input mask for the menu, the required inputs are all comma
delimited
	Menu.InputMasks.Reset
	Menu.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("1234", "",
CLng(Menu.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, True,
"", "", "")

?InputDevice.CreateInputMask (Allowable Response, Correct Response,
Time Limit,
?Max Count, End Response Action, Flush Input Buffer, Termination
Response,
?User Tag, Custom Options, Echo Clients, Reserved Object)
?For more specific information about these attributes check the E-
Basic help

?Sets the text to be displayed in the menu.  New lines are made with
\n.
	Menu.Text = "    1)  Procedure1\n    2)  Procedure2\n    3)
Procedure3\n    4)  Quit"


Menu.Run	?Runs the menu with the attributes set above

?This section selects the procedure to be run based upon the keyboard
input.  All
?the procedures are found in a superior list and are each assigned a
Weight of 0.
?The list will also have 1 row which called the procedure to create
the menu with a
?Weight of 1.
	If CInt(Menu.RESP) = 1 Then
		Procedure1.Run c
	ElseIf CInt(Menu.RESP) = 2 Then
		Procedure2.Run c
	Elseif CInt(Menu.RESP) = 3 Then
		Procedure3.Run c
	Else
		Quit.Run c
		Redo = 0
	End If

Loop


On Jul 24, 10:53?pm, Psychologue <fahadahmad... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
> to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
> phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
> of performance.
> My questions which I need answered:
>
> 1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
> six training sessions?
>
> *2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
> in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
> Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
> a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
> session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
> of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
> participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
> the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
> for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
> code this in E-Prime?*
>
> 3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are ?six blocks
> in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
> phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
> acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
> My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
> 2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
> block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
> the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
> session? I don't know how to do this.
>
> 4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
> response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
> testing phase for a training session.
> How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
> the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
> average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
> the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
> trials.
>
> Any Help is much appreciated
> Thank you
> Fahad
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 19:03:50 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:03:50 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
In-Reply-To: <cd5618cc-5130-4ff4-81b0-fc95b34d77b6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.120350.0700.>

I opened it up in E-Studio (which automatically updated it to work
with my version) and it ran fine.  Try doing that.

On Jul 29, 8:12?pm, bmu <meg.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
> version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
> trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
> of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
> "Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
> running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
> at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
> anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
> I'm using version 1.0
> Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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From benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 19:10:04 2008
From: benjamin.d.meyers at gmail.com (Ben Meyers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:10:04 -0700
Subject: Stroop experiment, a number of issues to be resolved.
In-Reply-To: <316fc0d0-7a64-45d0-b401-bdc28fc79edd@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.121004.0700.>

I apologize for not making a clear separation between the menu code
and the rest of my message.  The menu code begins immediately at the
text that is commented out.

On Jul 30, 2:56?pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2. ?To accomplish this you will have to adjust the frame size for all
> of your text displays and then create an image display (whose frame
> does not overlap the text displays ) with the rectangle for the bar
> graph feedback. ?Alternatively, (and the easier option imo) is to draw
> the rectangle in an inline. ?You can lookup Canvas.Rectangle in the E-
> Basic help for that. ?You can handle the reaction time checks in
> another inline as well with "StimDisplay.RT"
>
> 3. ?I don't know if this is exactly what you require based upon your
> description, but I wrote up a guide for my lab about creating simple
> menus in E-Prime so you can access which parts of an experiment that
> you want. ?I've copied it for you below at the end of my message.
>
> 4. ?If you add a counter as either a global variable which you can
> then increment simply by putting in an InLine counter = counter + 1,
> or as an attribute in a list which you can then increment by
>
> counter = CInt(ListName.GetCurrentAttrib("counter"))
> counter = counter + 1
> ListName.SetAttrib "counter", Cstr(counter)
>
> you can check if the counter has been incremented up to the total
> number of training trials and if not
>
> goto LabelAtTheEndOfTheProcedure
>
> Place your feedback display between this inline and the label.
>
> ?All this code can be copy/pasted into an E-Prime InLine script and
> edited to get the
> ?menu that you want
> Dim Redo as Integer
> Redo = 1
>
> Do While Redo = 1 ??Must be made a loop, or after E-Prime runs the
> first procedure the
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??experiment would automatically end
>
> ? ? ? ? Dim Menu as TextDisplay ? ? ? ? ?You can change Menu to whatever you like
> ? ? ? ? Set Menu = New TextDisplay ? ? ??and could presumably set up a sequence
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?of menus with different names if desired
>
> ?This section sets all the attributes of the menu, many of these can
> be skipped with the
> ?code ? ?InitTextDisplayDefaults Menu ? but all of these can be
> altered if wanted
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.AlignHorizontal = "left" ?Horizontal alignment ?left? ?center?
> ?right?
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.AlignVertical = "center" ?Vertical alignment ?top? ?center?
> ?bottom?
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.FontName = "Courier New" ?Any of the font names E-Prime is
> allowed
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.FontBold = False ? ? ? ? ? ?Bold is the default, this makes it not bold
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.FontSize = "28" ? ? ? ? ??Font size supplied as a string
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.ForeColor = CColor("0,0,0") ? ? ??This is the text color, can use
> color names
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?or RGB values, CColor converts it to Long
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.BackColor = CColor("255,255,255") ? ? ? ??Background color
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.Duration = CLng("-1") ? ? ? ? ? ??Sets how long the menu will appear on
> the
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?screen. ?A ?1 is an infinite duration.
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.TimingMode = ebTimingModeEvent ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Sets the timing mode:
> ? ? ? ? ?others allowed ebTimingModeCumulative and ebTimingModeCustom
> ? ? ? ? ?If custom is used CustomOnsetTime and CustomOffsetTime must be set
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.PreRelease = 0 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Sets prerelease time for the next object
>
> ? ? ? ? Menu.ClearAfter = True ??Not clearing after is default, this clears
> the screen
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?when the menu is terminated
>
> ?Set up the input mask for the menu, the required inputs are all comma
> delimited
> ? ? ? ? Menu.InputMasks.Reset
> ? ? ? ? Menu.InputMasks.Add Keyboard.CreateInputMask("1234", "",
> CLng(Menu.Duration), CLng("1"), ebEndResponseActionTerminate, True,
> "", "", "")
>
> ?InputDevice.CreateInputMask (Allowable Response, Correct Response,
> Time Limit,
> ?Max Count, End Response Action, Flush Input Buffer, Termination
> Response,
> ?User Tag, Custom Options, Echo Clients, Reserved Object)
> ?For more specific information about these attributes check the E-
> Basic help
>
> ?Sets the text to be displayed in the menu. ?New lines are made with
> \n.
> ? ? ? ? Menu.Text = " ? ?1) ?Procedure1\n ? ?2) ?Procedure2\n ? ?3)
> Procedure3\n ? ?4) ?Quit"
>
> Menu.Run ? ? ? ??Runs the menu with the attributes set above
>
> ?This section selects the procedure to be run based upon the keyboard
> input. ?All
> ?the procedures are found in a superior list and are each assigned a
> Weight of 0.
> ?The list will also have 1 row which called the procedure to create
> the menu with a
> ?Weight of 1.
> ? ? ? ? If CInt(Menu.RESP) = 1 Then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Procedure1.Run c
> ? ? ? ? ElseIf CInt(Menu.RESP) = 2 Then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Procedure2.Run c
> ? ? ? ? Elseif CInt(Menu.RESP) = 3 Then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Procedure3.Run c
> ? ? ? ? Else
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Quit.Run c
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Redo = 0
> ? ? ? ? End If
>
> Loop
>
> On Jul 24, 10:53?pm, Psychologue <fahadahmad... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I am assisting a Master's student with a stroop experiment. I was able
> > to set up the six training sessions with each consisting of three
> > phases.There are also three conditions in terms of degree of feedback
> > of performance.
> > My questions which I need answered:
>
> > 1.I would have to set up six blocks(or blocklists) representing the
> > six training sessions?
>
> > *2.However, In one condition(a seperate e-prime experiment) same setup
> > in terms of training sessions and phases but with feedback(the
> > Individualized and adaptive feedback condition). -"This condition has
> > a bar graph that remains displayed throughout the entire training
> > session and keeps track of current performance relative to the average
> > of previous performance on the same type of trial (i.e. if the
> > participant's reaction time on the third neutral trial is 1500ms and
> > the average of the first two neutral trials is 900ms, the bar graph
> > for neutral trials should increase in size and turn red)". How would I
> > code this in E-Prime?*
>
> > 3.There are six training sessions in total. So there are ?six blocks
> > in the Stroop experiment. Training session 1(contains acquisition
> > phase,practice phase and test phase), Training session 2(contains
> > acquisition, practice and test phase) , and so on (same thing).
> > My question is if the the participant is doing ONLY Training session
> > 2, how to run only that particular training session or the particular
> > block of code or block in the stroop experiment?Do you have to code in
> > the visual basic script to tell E-Prime to only run that particular
> > session? I don't know how to do this.
>
> > 4. If I want summary feedback which displays the subjects average
> > response time and the average percent correct at the very end of the
> > testing phase for a training session.
> > How would I do this. The feedback display would be only displayed at
> > the end of the testing phase, and display average response time and
> > average response times of subjects performance on all the trials in
> > the testing phase. There should be no feedback displays in between
> > trials.
>
> > Any Help is much appreciated
> > Thank you
> > Fahad- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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From meghna.uthaiya at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 22:26:47 2008
From: meghna.uthaiya at gmail.com (nikki)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:26:47 -0700
Subject: ANT experiment gives error msg
In-Reply-To: <9f5e4087-b074-4900-a9b8-9b5d1b86505a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.2008.152647.0700.>

I'll try doing just that and hopefully it will work for me too! Thank
you so much for your help, I really do appreciate it. Have a nice day!



On Jul 30, 2:03 pm, Ben Meyers <benjamin.d.mey... at gmail.com> wrote:
> I opened it up in E-Studio (which automatically updated it to work
> with my version) and it ran fine.  Try doing that.
>
> On Jul 29, 8:12 pm, bmu <meg.... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi. I recently downloaded the ANT (Attention Network Test) adult
> > version from Dr. Jim Fan's web-page for some research I'm doing. The
> > trouble is that everytime I open the '.ebs' file and hit Run, instead
> > of initiating the experiment, it displays the following error msg -
> > "Line 152, column 25." My experience with e-prime is limited to
> > running experiments on it and using data-aid. I've never had to look
> > at/work with code so find myself quite at a loss to fix this. Has
> > anyone else run into this problem and have they been able to fix it?
> > I'm using version 1.0
> > Any help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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From yihuihung1116 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 13:22:59 2008
From: yihuihung1116 at gmail.com (Yihui)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:22:59 -0700
Subject: Get stocked with script for no repetition on consecutive trials
Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.2008.062259.0700.>

Hello,

I modified the online sample to present numbers from 1 to 5, which are
specified in variable ?primetype? in the list2. I changed some
parameters in ?inline1?. That is, each of numbers (1 to 5) can be
presented twenty times without repetition on consecutive trials.
However, the script gets stocked and simply goes blank. Can anyone
help me out? I uploaded my script ?YH? in the "files" section of this
group. Any suggestion on the inline is appreciated. Thanks!

Sincerely,
Yihui

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From jenifan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 14:51:27 2008
From: jenifan at gmail.com (Jeni)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:27 -0700
Subject: nested lists not locking in according to sampling parameters
Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.2008.075127.0700.>

I have a heavily nested hierarchy of lists. When we actually get to
the list with attributes, I set the parameter to sampling all items
and exit after a full cycle. However, it doesn't seem to be locking in
to the list and pops out after sampling only one line/row/item. Anyone
having this issue?
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