From Jacob.Zweig at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 18:10:46 2008 From: Jacob.Zweig at gmail.com (neo82087) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:10:46 -0800 Subject: Recording clicks Message-ID: Hi, we're trying to create a program that records the number of clicks on a task and saves this information. Our program is giving some strange values that are not accurate. So far, we initialize nbClick = 0 and then use the script: if (Mouse.Buttons AND ebMouseButton1) then nbClick = nbClick+1 'incrémente le nombre de click 'Trouve les coordonné de la souris Mouse.GetCursorPos ptClick.x, ptClick.y sleep (1000/c.getattrib("Display.RefreshRate")) end if then at the end of the script we have: c.setattrib "nbClick", nbClick If anyone has any input of information of why this is not working, or if there is a better method to do this, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From giovanni.ottoboni at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 09:32:32 2008 From: giovanni.ottoboni at gmail.com (GioOtto) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:32:32 -0700 Subject: Counterbalancing Message-ID: I am new of eprime and i need some help. I am designing an experiment where I have four blocks: Two belong to one variable (i.e., 1 and 2) Two belong to another variable (i.e., 3 and 4). I would like to find a way to present all the four blocks counterbalanced between the participants. One participant should be presented with block 1 and block 2 from the 1st variable and block 3 and 4 from the 2nd variable, the following participant should be presented with block 2 and block 1 from the 1st variable and block 4 and 3 from the 2nd variable, another should be presented with block 3 and block 4 from the 2nd variable and block 1 and 2 from the 1st variable, the last to close the loop should be presented with block 4 and block 3 from the 2nd variable and block 2 and 1 from the 1st variable. I would like not to create 4 exp, but if this is the case I can do it. Thanks for any help gio --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From t1msky at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 3 11:00:28 2008 From: t1msky at yahoo.co.uk (Victor) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:00:28 -0800 Subject: Counterbalancing In-Reply-To: <9aa82291-ed30-40be-8b30-2af3dc8503f9@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Gio There may be a more elegant way to do this, but I have used a similar experiement whereby I wanted to counterbalance the order of blocks. What I did was insert a text box at the start of the expereiment whereby the experimenter can input a number from 1-4 (for the 4 possible orders). Then insert a label at the start of each block and one at the end of the experiment. Following the text box, you want an inline script to tell you which label to go to when the experiment begins. e.g. IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block1 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block2 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO block4 and following each block to say where to go next. For example, after block1 you want IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block2 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block4 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO end and following block 2 you want IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block1 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO end IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO block1 Complete the inline scripts so that for input 1-4, the sequence of blocks is completed in the counterbalanced order you want. After the last block in each case you can add a goto end. Hope this helps Tim On Nov 1, 9:32 am, GioOtto wrote: > I am new of eprime and i need some help. > I am designing an experiment where I have four blocks: > Two belong to one variable (i.e., 1 and 2) > Two belong to another variable (i.e., 3 and 4). > I would like to find a way to present all the four blocks > counterbalanced between the participants. > One participant should be presented with block 1 and block 2 from the > 1st variable and block 3 and 4 from the 2nd variable, the following > participant should be presented with block 2 and block 1 from the 1st > variable and block 4 and 3 from the 2nd variable, another should be > presented with block 3 and block 4 from the 2nd  variable and block 1 > and 2 from the 1st variable, the last to close the loop should be > presented with block 4 and block 3 from the 2nd  variable and block 2 > and 1 from the 1st variable. I would like not to create 4 exp, but if > this is the case I can do it. > Thanks for any help > gio --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Nov 3 20:55:23 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 Subject: Solutions for Script too Large Error In-Reply-To: <3a61c860-15ee-4e79-a20f-2865c420987a@d42g2000prb.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: At 11/3/2008 03:23 PM Monday, you wrote: >I am looking for some advice on a program that is giving me the >aforementioned error. As for the error message, this was discussed recently on the PST Forum, and PST also has a Knowledge Base article about this. Go to http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Forum3-1.aspx , do a search on "script too large", and look through the results. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lloydlabshu at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 20:23:09 2008 From: lloydlabshu at gmail.com (MemoryLabSHU) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:23:09 -0800 Subject: Solutions for Script too Large Error Message-ID: I am looking for some advice on a program that is giving me the aforementioned error. Subjects are reading portions of sentences and this is being timed. The sentences are paired with musical phrases. Originally I used a different list for each sentence and that seems to be the problem causing the error (an idea suggested by similar answers in this group). Thus, I need help on how to do this with only one list. The problem is that sentences vary in length and thus need between 5-11 attributes in a list. After participants read the sentence there is a comprehension question. Is there a way to program such that unneeded attributes for shorter sentences are skipped and the program moves directly to the comprehension screen? The only 2 solutions I could come up with is to have dummy screens before the comprehension but that would add a lot of junk RT data to the file. The second idea was to nest lists with varying attribute length procedures. This would mean 7lists instead of one list and I worry that could still be a script problem. In addition, I do not understand how to have it select these sentences in order such that it can do a 8 item sentence and then a 7 and not run through all of the 8 item lists first. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 11:59:39 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:59:39 +0000 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doubt that my title makes much sense, because I am unsure how to even ask for what I need help with! I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use those inputted variable items later as stimuli. I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called SolicitNames. In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: SolicitNames.Sample: 1 namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item The sample goes up to 10, of course. I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format and I don't know VB or C. Thanks for any suggestions, Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 16:52:04 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:52:04 -0500 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: <49118AAB.5090301@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use >those inputted variable items later as stimuli. > >I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it >running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and >takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called >SolicitNames. > >In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? > >In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of >the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 >different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put >them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of >each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: >family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. > >But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, >because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile >that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: > >SolicitNames.Sample: 1 >namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item > >The sample goes up to 10, of course. > >I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), >namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format >and I don't know VB or C. > >Thanks for any suggestions, In general, EP does not keep a record of the past that that could be used within the experiment program. Once data are logged to disk, EP pretty much forgets about it. So if you need to know about the past, you must take care of that yourself by using script to store things in global variables (if you don't know about global variables, see the "Using E-Basic" chapter in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime). In your case you would probably want to store responses in an array for use later. That is just some general advice, I hope you can find a way to apply it to the details of your specific experiment program. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder Moore's Constant: Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody does something, but no one does what they set out to do. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dutch.linguistics at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 11:22:02 2008 From: dutch.linguistics at gmail.com (MarcoV) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:22:02 -0800 Subject: Karaoke style text-to-audio alignment? Message-ID: Dear all, I have an idea for an experiment, but I do not know whether it can be implemented in e-prime. Is it possible to align a text file with an audio file, like in a karaoke program? Thus, somehow placing emphasis on the part of the written sentence that corresponds to the audio file played at that moment? Thanks for any suggestions. Cheers, Marco --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:28:51 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:28:51 +0000 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: <491320b9.25bd720a.46b8.ffffb20dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Thanks for your reply. I think you're right that by using global variables, I could achieve what I need. In between my cry for help and your reply, I had found an alternative approach, using script to populate a list that in turn is accessible for the procedure I need to do (thanks to this site: http://godzilla.kennedykrieger.org/sw/eprime/samples/). This approach required restructuring my experiment a little, but that may be no bad thing. But I think the global variables would be the quicker to implement. Rick David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use >> those inputted variable items later as stimuli. >> >> I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it >> running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and >> takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called >> SolicitNames. >> >> In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? >> >> In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of >> the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 >> different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put >> them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of >> each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: >> family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. >> >> But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, >> because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile >> that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: >> >> SolicitNames.Sample: 1 >> namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item >> >> The sample goes up to 10, of course. >> >> I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), >> namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format >> and I don't know VB or C. >> >> Thanks for any suggestions, > > In general, EP does not keep a record of the past that that could be > used within the experiment program. Once data are logged to disk, EP > pretty much forgets about it. So if you need to know about the past, > you must take care of that yourself by using script to store things > in global variables (if you don't know about global variables, see > the "Using E-Basic" chapter in the User's Guide that came with > E-Prime). In your case you would probably want to store responses in > an array for use later. > > That is just some general advice, I hope you can find a way to apply > it to the details of your specific experiment program. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > Moore's Constant: Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody > does something, but no one does what they set out to do. > > > > -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dave.hairston at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:43:55 2008 From: dave.hairston at gmail.com (Dr. Dave Hairston) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:43:55 -0800 Subject: Touch-Screens and RT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't really know much about tuch screens, but here are my first thoughts... is the sample/poll rate for measuring the response location tied to the refresh rate of the screen? If so, it will be really slow, like 75Hz, leaving you only 15 ms resolution. But i'd think that would be so aweful that it'd be very jerky, so it probably isn't and is much higher. Regarding USB, though, that is correct, there is (potentially) a timing concern there. The native poll rate (in XP and Vista) of the USB bus is only about 120 Hz - 8 ms resolution. However - this can be fixed. I'm sorry I can't recall teh name of teh applet... but if you Google around, you'll find one (or a few) that allow you to manually set the rate at which Windows samples the USB bus. I believe the max is 1200 Hz, which is plenty. Please note - this affects ALL devices connected via USB, including your mouse... in fact that's what the sw was originally designed for, faster mouse movement. If running on a laptop, battery life will suffer. -Dave On Oct 21, 5:18 pm, Marhitomi wrote: > Some experiments we run use touch-screens. I've been told that there > is a timing problem - recording reaction times is not very accurate, > as was determined in 2002 when we first got the screens. > > We've had eprime 1 and are upgrading to eprime 2.0. The touch-screens > we have now are MicroTouch 3M from 2002 and they run on Serial Ports. > > Have you had timing problems as well? I need to purchase new machines > that would not have this problem - any suggestions on models to buy? > > I've been told that getting screens with USB connections could affect > timing? Thoughts? > > Thank-you in advance for all your help. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Nov 7 18:16:33 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:16:33 -0500 Subject: Touch-Screens and RT In-Reply-To: <5ab08fdd-2dff-405e-85ce-18e44ffd57b8@r15g2000prh.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: At 11/7/2008 12:43 PM Friday, Dr. Dave Hairston wrote: >Regarding USB, though, that is correct, there is (potentially) a >timing concern there. The native poll rate (in XP and Vista) of the >USB bus is only about 120 Hz - 8 ms resolution. However - this can be >fixed. To lend support to this, here is a link for a USB keyboard with claims of sub-millisecond resolution: http://www.empirisoft.com/directinkb.aspx . They say it does not require any additional drivers, so I do not know how they do this or if it really works. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From systemfri at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 05:07:06 2008 From: systemfri at gmail.com (roshan roshan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:07:06 +0800 Subject: <<<<<< ALL PHP========>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: ALL PHP EBOOKS PHP 5 For Dummies http://ebooklobby.blogspot.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjaywilliams at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 19:53:19 2008 From: josephjaywilliams at gmail.com (Joseph Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:53:19 -0800 Subject: Randomizing the order of text lines on a TextDisplay or Slide Message-ID: I'm doing an experiment where people see members of categories: for each member they see three features, where each feature is a sentence. I want to display each feature/sentence on a line, but I need to randomize the order of the features- so I can't just have a display that shows [f1], [f2], [f3]. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make these attributes appear in a different random order for each of the ~50 examples I'll present? The solution I can think of now is to write code that has a string array 'f1' 'f2' 'f3', randomizes this array, and then sets each element of the randomized array to Text Boxes on a slide. But I'm not sure how easy this will be to implement in practice, and it seems as though there might be a natural way to use E-prime to randomize the order the items appear in. Thank you, Joseph --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Nov 10 20:42:51 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:51 -0500 Subject: Randomizing the order of text lines on a TextDisplay or Slide In-Reply-To: <121d07f40811101153h769e56bei510ce9873594527b@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: Joseph, >I'm doing an experiment where people see members of categories: for >each member they see three features, where each feature is a >sentence. I want to display each feature/sentence on a line, but I >need to randomize the order of the features- so I can't just have a >display that shows [f1], [f2], [f3]. Does anyone have any >suggestions on how to make these attributes appear in a different >random order for each of the ~50 examples I'll present? > >The solution I can think of now is to write code that has a string >array 'f1' 'f2' 'f3', randomizes this array, and then sets each >element of the randomized array to Text Boxes on a slide. But I'm >not sure how easy this will be to implement in practice, and it >seems as though there might be a natural way to use E-prime to >randomize the order the items appear in. Your plan should work, and would seem most natural to many EP users. OTOH, the "natural" "E-Prime way" (IMO) would use nested lists and colon styntax. For each member I might create a nested list with three rows that contain the features in a single column, let's call the column "Feature". I would set the nested lists to Randomize. Then in my display object I would use [Feature:0], [Feature:1], and [Feature:2] to show the features in a randomized order. For more info on nested lists and colon sytnax, do the Nested Lists tutorial in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime, and check the index to find the section on colon syntax. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Thank you, > >Joseph > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From kenyonboyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:07:32 2008 From: kenyonboyd at gmail.com (JKB) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:07:32 -0800 Subject: E-Prime 2 and ASL eyetracking Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know whether the code that gets pasted into an E-Prime 1 script to send XDAT signals to an ASL eye-tracker is the same in E- Prime 2? If E-Prime 2 requires different code, does anyone know where to get it? Thanks, Jeremy Boyd --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From zachary.d.cohen at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 19:26:10 2008 From: zachary.d.cohen at gmail.com (Zach) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:26:10 -0800 Subject: Stop Signal ISI Randomization? Message-ID: Hello All, This is my first time posting but as a new user of EPrime, reading this list serve has been immensely helpful over the past month and for that I thank you. The problem I am currently grappling with is one of randomization. I have a stop signal program that randomly (w/o replacement) presents the user with 4 stimuli (goleft, goright, stopleft, and stopright), with each stimulus presentation separated by inter-stimulus-interval (blank screen). I have these 4 stimuli as separate procedures under a List that weights each of the four differently (more go trials than stop). In between each stimuli presentation I am attempting to randomly (w/o replacement) select the ISI time from a weighted list with five possible times (500ms, 750ms, etc). My problem is that I cannot seem to get EPrime to randomly select both without replacement in series. I need the program to run through exactly the same amount of each stimulus (goL, goR etc) and the same distribution of ISIs (500ms, 750ms etc) while randomly selecting and pair both w/o replacement. I can get it to do one but not the other, and was wondering if anyone knew a way to effectively place two lists in a row, so that the program would choose randomly from one list and then the other. Alternatively, would there be a way to have a list of ISItimes that could be randomly accessed (w/o replacement) inside the GoL GoR StopL StopR programs. For example, the program would function as follows: (P) TrialProcedure - (L) TrialList (with weighted GoL GoR etc.) - (P) GoL_procedure - (Slide) Fix - (Slide) ArrowLeft - (Slide) ISI [and here the ISI time could randomly access this magical list and select the time interval] - (P) GoR_procedure END I hope that my question isn't too long and that I explained everything adequately. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate your help. Sincere Thanks, -Zach Cohen --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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It also uses the 'colon' notation, which IMO complicates things and for your purposes you can ignore that part. I think you'll also find more eloquent explanations on the archives of this mailing list and in the user forums. Regards, Tony. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Zach wrote: > > Hello All, > This is my first time posting but as a new user of EPrime, > reading this list serve has been immensely helpful over the past month > and for that I thank you. > > The problem I am currently grappling with is one of randomization. I > have a stop signal program that randomly (w/o replacement) presents > the user with 4 stimuli (goleft, goright, stopleft, and stopright), > with each stimulus presentation separated by inter-stimulus-interval > (blank screen). I have these 4 stimuli as separate procedures under a > List that weights each of the four differently (more go trials than > stop). In between each stimuli presentation I am attempting to > randomly (w/o replacement) select the ISI time from a weighted list > with five possible times (500ms, 750ms, etc). > > My problem is that I cannot seem to get EPrime to randomly select both > without replacement in series. I need the program to run through > exactly the same amount of each stimulus (goL, goR etc) and the same > distribution of ISIs (500ms, 750ms etc) while randomly selecting and > pair both w/o replacement. I can get it to do one but not the other, > and was wondering if anyone knew a way to effectively place two lists > in a row, so that the program would choose randomly from one list and > then the other. Alternatively, would there be a way to have a list of > ISItimes that could be randomly accessed (w/o replacement) inside the > GoL GoR StopL StopR programs. > > For example, the program would function as follows: > (P) TrialProcedure > - (L) TrialList (with weighted GoL GoR etc.) > - (P) GoL_procedure > - (Slide) Fix > - (Slide) ArrowLeft > - (Slide) ISI [and here the ISI time could > randomly access this magical list and select the time interval] > - (P) GoR_procedure > END > > I hope that my question isn't too long and that I explained everything > adequately. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate your > help. > Sincere Thanks, > -Zach Cohen > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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This is quite simple, by weighting the trials by the condition (so the for the condition described above, the trial gets a weighting of 3, and we're using sequential selection). What isn't working is the following: 1) we don't want someone to select the same answer twice. I've got it to strike-through the text of a previously selected item, and use InLine to set the allowable responses to the unselected options, but E-Prime still accepts a previously accepted response. 2) I'd like the computer to beep or something is an unallowed response is made (but still have E-Prime wait for an allowable response). Any thoughts? -- Dr. Nicole Anderson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From maciek.taraday at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 20:48:39 2008 From: maciek.taraday at gmail.com (Maciek Taraday) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:48:39 +0100 Subject: License Options Message-ID: Hello! Our Institute is going to buy e-prime. We are concerning which of the license options we should choose. The best solution would be such which gives opportunities to program in e-prime by researchers as well as by students. Probably about 30 people should be able to use the program. Unfortunately, computers which are in use at the Institute are not connected to network. Which License Option would you recommend in such a situation? Regards, Maciek --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Nov 18 23:07:39 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:39 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <70B0ADBD384F465A907EBC00BDB8478C@MACIEK> Message-ID: Maciek, >Our Institute is going to buy e-prime. We are concerning which of >the license options we should choose. The best solution would be >such which gives opportunities to program in e-prime by >researchers as well as by students. Probably about 30 people >should be able to use the program. Unfortunately, computers which >are in use at the Institute are not connected to network. Which >License Option would you recommend in such a situation? Not sure if you are asking just about hardware keys vs. a network key, or EP2 Professional vs. EP2 non-Pro/base/junior. I cannot answer the first, but as for the second, if you use this just for teaching you can save some money and purchase EP2 base. If you use this for research and want to make sure that you can always share programs with collaborators, then spend the extra money for EP2 Pro. If you search the mailing list and the PST Forum you can find where I have discussed this at more length. And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 10:47:18 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:47:18 +0000 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <49234abe.25bd720a.527c.ffffa4f4SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder Hi David, This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 11:16:40 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:16:40 +0000 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? Message-ID: As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting unreferenced objects. I had assumed that these were essentially ignored by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits already created. But given that removing some elements (done without reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? Rick Rick O'Gorman wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just created a large eprime experiment--it involves 3 IATs, with > some counterbalancing. As a result, eprime seems unable to handle this > size, and crashes if I try to drag things, very slow to delete an item, > and doesn't seem to want to run the exp (it gives me an error that I > can't seem to track down). > > Anyone else found these kinds of problems with the current rather buggy > beta version (2.0.x)? > > Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 19:30:58 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? In-Reply-To: <4923F598.4090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting >unreferenced objects. Glad you fixed your problem and reported back, I would not have thought of this. >I had assumed that these were essentially ignored >by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits >already created. But given that removing some elements (done without >reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up >the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? >Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? You are correct insofar as all those unused unreferenced objects are not ignored and they do affect your program. All the Unreferenced E-Objects get added to the full script and compiled whether or not your program uses them. You can tell this a couple of ways: First, any object that raises a compile-time error will still raise a compile-time error even after you "delete" it to Unreferenced E-Objects. Second, you can just look in the full generated script -- View > Script, select the Full tab, and scroll down to Sub InitObjects, you will see that E-Prime has dutifully added all of your Unreferenced E-Object to be initialized every time you run your program. This is one reason that I scrupulously remove any unused E-Objects before I release my programs for general use, I just assumed everybody else did the same. I also do this because it greatly clarifies reading the program later -- if anybody later has to read my program, all those unused objects will get in the way, especially if some Unreferenced E-Objects get used while others do not. It is my duty to clean up my mess before I set the program loose. So what are Unreferenced E-Objects for, and why does "delete" send objects there instead of actually deleting them? "Unreferenced E-Objects" is really a misnomer. It really means "objects that might be used but are not referenced in any simple way by objects in the main E-Studio structure", and we do not have a simpler word phrase to say that. For instance, you might have an object that gets invoked only by inline script, and E-Prime has no good way to indicate that in the Structure view. Or, you have a nested list that gets assigned only at run time via an attribute reference, so the Structure has no good way to show this at design time. So these objects really do get "referenced" in inline script or at run time, but in general E-Prime has no neat way to show this in the Structure view, hence "Unreferenced E-Objects" (well what would *you* call them?). Follow? So how do you make these "unreferenced" but really referenced E-Objects? You could drag the appropriate toolbox icon straight into Unreferenced E-Objects, but many folks find it easier to drag a toolbox icon over onto a Procedure object, and then "delete" it to get it over into Unreferenced E-Objects. Still following? Because of this practice, when you "delete" an object from a Procedure, E-Studio never knows whether you really mean to delete the object or just use it in some "unreferenced" way. As you and most users soon discover, to really delete an object you must delete it from Unreferenced E-Objects. Well, you got more from me than you bargained for. I hope I said something useful in there somewhere, I just sort of wanted to lay that all out for future reference for myself if no one else. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 21:52:07 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:52:07 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4923EEB6.4020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >David McFarlane wrote: > > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > >Hi David, > >This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, >as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you >suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a >pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the >latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 >file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or >better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some >serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime >by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). Your response gives me the opportunity to address a number of issues, so this may take awhile and may bore a lot of people on the list, but here goes... In short... This has been addressed in part at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/a1b59b9a2103e0ec/f83c8690dc977c08?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#f83c8690dc977c08 , http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/faaccb1853426a7/62e06e022997663d?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#62e06e022997663d , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic884-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic914-13-1.aspx , and http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic897-12-1.aspx (I found these by going to the E-Prime Google Group and PST Forum and running a search on "non-pro", but then I knew what I was looking for). It is about sharing scripts, no other risk with the EP2 Pro format. PST does still take feedback on EP2, you will need to register using you license number and then post your concerns at the PST Forum (http://support.pstnet.com/forum/ ), or submit a Web support request. PST staff do take a look at this e-mail list, as evidenced by their occasional replies. The main staff seem to be Brandon Cernicky and Matt Lenhart. Of the two, Brandon seems the more senior member. I will give you a few tips here about changing the E-Prime settings to avoid annoyances. At length... Although I have said this elsewhere, I will lay it out again here. I will use "EP2-base" to refer to the edition of EP2 that is *not* Pro (see Footnote 1). Based on my own tests and confirmation with PST staff: - An .ebs2 (E-Run) file generated by EP2-base *will* run in E-Run 2 Pro. - An .ebs2 file generated by EP2 Pro *will* run in E-Run 2 base, at least if it does not use any Pro features (I did not test any Pro features). - An .es2 (E-Studio) file made in EP2-base *will* open in E-Studio Pro. - Now the bad news: An .es2 file made in Pro will *not* (repeat, *not*) open in E-Studio 2 base. So the problem comes only if you ever want to collaborate on *developing* (not just running) EP2 programs with another lab. If you have EP2-base, and your collaborator sends you an E-Studio (.es2) file that has been saved in the Pro format, then you will not be able to open it for viewing, editing, or running, even if the program does not use any Pro features. If they send you the E-Run/E-Basic (.ebs2) file then you can still run the experiment (as long as it does not use any Pro features), but you still cannot view the code let alone edit it. Vice versa if you use EP2 Pro and your collaborator uses EP2-base. Thus my strategy to always spend the extra money to get EP2 Pro, *and then*, whenever writing a new experiment, making sure to save the program using the EP2-base file format. That provides the broadest compatibility between the two editions of EP2. If you do find that you need some feature from Pro, you can always convert the EP2-base program to the Pro file format and go from there. But so far once a .es2 file is saved in the Pro format there is no way to convert it back to EP2-base format (although PST could always provide that capability in a later revision). Now, how to follow this strategy? The full story gets complex, but I will give some setup details at the end to simplify this. The rules go like this: (1) Once loaded into E-Studio, File > Save will continue to save an EP2 file in its current format, whether Pro or base (however, if you want to be extra careful you can always use File > Save As... and look at "Save as type"). (2) As you have found when you open an existing EP2-base file, by default EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file format or convert it to the Pro file format. (Nothing interesting or useful happens when you open an existing EP2 Pro file.) (3) When you start E-Studio, or start a new program (File > New), EP2 Pro will bring up a dialog box ("New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment") of template files in both Pro and EP2-base formats. So in short you want to start files in the EP2-base format, and then maintain that without any annoyances or opportunities for mistakes. Let's start with rule (3). When you start E-Studio or start a new program (File > New), what appears in the template dialog box are just ordinary EP2 files that sit in a special directory, namely C:\Program Files\PST\E-Prime 2.0\Templates\ (may be somewhere else depending on your setup, but you get the idea). You may put whatever EP2 files you like there, and they will be added to the templates dialog box when you start E-Studio or start a new program. I like to remove the "Basic.es2" and "Basic (Professional).es2" files and leave the "Blank.es2" and "Blank (Professional).es2" files. If you want to make it harder to start a new program in the Pro format, just remove all the "...(Professional).es2" files from the Templates folder. Remember, you can always convert them to Pro later if needed. Once you load any EP2-base format file, rule (1) takes over, and you are set. (Note that clicking cancel from the template dialog does the same as selecting "Blank (Professional).es2", even if that file has been removed.) Now on to rule (2). By default, when you open an existing EP2-base file EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file format or convert it to the Pro file format. You will want to select Maintain and click OK. But before you do this, if you select "Always perform this operation when opening E-Prime 2.0 files" then it will change a program setting so that you will not be nagged again (I will come back to this). Rule (1) takes over again after you load the EP2-base file without converting, and you are all set. Now to make this easy and less prone to mistakes: Go to Tools > Options, and in the General tab, go down to E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion. Make sure that under "When loading..." it says "Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 file format", and make sure that "Always perform this conversion action without prompting" is checked. (Hmm, I suppose I could have just said that without the long-winded explanation, but where is the fun in that?) You still have to remember to load an EP2-base file template whenever you start a new program from scratch (File > New), but this setting will stop the nags for existing EP2-base files. As long as I have gone this far, I might as well lay out the full set of settings changes I make every time I set up EP2 Pro. Perhaps others would like to contribute their own favorite setup options. For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, - General: - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- checked - Structure - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked - Toolbox - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked - Script - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) - AutoUpdate - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like updates in the middle of studies) My apologies for a long reply of limited interest, -- David McFarlane, Professional (and long-winded) Faultfinder [Footnote 1] PST uses "E-Prime 2 Professional" to refer to the Pro edition of EP2, and just "E-Prime 2" to refer to the edition that is *not* Pro. I find this confusing, as it provides no way to refer to E-Prime 2 without referring specifically to one or the other edition. As a native speaker of English, I find it more natural to use "E-Prime 2" when I do not wish to specify an edition. I can then use "E-Prime 2 Professional" or "EP2 Pro" to refer to the Pro edition, but then how do I refer to the edition that is not "Professional"? I tried using "EP2 non-Pro", but that is hard to keep straight and it is too easy to slip and leave off the "non", which then drastically changes the meaning of my sentences. PST staff themselves sometimes resort to saying EP2 "standard". However, that implies that the non-Pro edition is in fact the "standard" that researchers should use unless they specifically need Pro, whereas I feel that the true "standard" edition is Pro and the non-Pro edition is a limited-purpose edition. I might call it EP2 Basic, but that could get confusing as "Basic" is also the name of the underlying programming language. Perhaps "EP2 Limited", or "EP2 Elements" (following Adobe). So far I like "EP2-base", to indicate that it is the starting edition that forms the basis or foundation for the full "Professional" edition. I also toyed with "EP2 Junior" just because I like the diminutive tone of that, but then thought that went a bit too far. So for now, I will try "EP2-base". --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:16:25 2008 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:16:25 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4925dc5b.13bb720a.1499.ffffd561SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: PHEW!!!very nice, david. and very clear. thank you. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, David McFarlane wrote: > > Rick, > > >David McFarlane wrote: > > > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > > > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > > > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > > > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > >Hi David, > > > >This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, > >as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you > >suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a > >pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the > >latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 > >file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or > >better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some > >serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime > >by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). > > Your response gives me the opportunity to address a number of issues, > so this may take awhile and may bore a lot of people on the list, but > here goes... > > In short... > > This has been addressed in part at > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/a1b59b9a2103e0ec/f83c8690dc977c08?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#f83c8690dc977c08 > , > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/faaccb1853426a7/62e06e022997663d?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#62e06e022997663d > , > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic884-12-1.aspx , > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic914-13-1.aspx , and > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic897-12-1.aspx > (I found these by going to the E-Prime Google Group and PST Forum and > running a search on "non-pro", but then I knew what I was looking > for). It is about sharing scripts, no other risk with the EP2 Pro > format. PST does still take feedback on EP2, you will need to > register using you license number and then post your concerns at the > PST Forum (http://support.pstnet.com/forum/ ), or submit a Web > support request. PST staff do take a look at this e-mail list, as > evidenced by their occasional replies. The main staff seem to be > Brandon Cernicky and Matt Lenhart. Of the two, Brandon seems the > more senior member. I will give you a few tips here about changing > the E-Prime settings to avoid annoyances. > > > At length... > > Although I have said this elsewhere, I will lay it out again here. I > will use "EP2-base" to refer to the edition of EP2 that is *not* Pro > (see Footnote 1). Based on my own tests and confirmation with PST staff: > > - An .ebs2 (E-Run) file generated by EP2-base *will* run in E-Run 2 Pro. > - An .ebs2 file generated by EP2 Pro *will* run in E-Run 2 base, at > least if it does not use any Pro features (I did not test any Pro > features). > - An .es2 (E-Studio) file made in EP2-base *will* open in E-Studio Pro. > - Now the bad news: An .es2 file made in Pro will *not* (repeat, > *not*) open in E-Studio 2 base. > > So the problem comes only if you ever want to collaborate on > *developing* (not just running) EP2 programs with another lab. If > you have EP2-base, and your collaborator sends you an E-Studio (.es2) > file that has been saved in the Pro format, then you will > not be able to open it for viewing, editing, or running, even if the > program does not use any Pro features. If they send you the > E-Run/E-Basic (.ebs2) file then you can still run the experiment (as > long as it does not use any Pro features), but you still cannot view > the code let alone edit it. Vice versa if you use EP2 Pro and your > collaborator uses EP2-base. > > Thus my strategy to always spend the extra money to get EP2 Pro, *and > then*, whenever writing a new experiment, making sure to save the > program using the EP2-base file format. > That provides the broadest compatibility between the two editions of > EP2. If you do find that you need some feature from Pro, you can > always convert the EP2-base program to the Pro file format and go > from there. But so far once a .es2 file is saved in the Pro format > there is no way to convert it back to EP2-base format (although PST > could always provide that capability in a later revision). > > Now, how to follow this strategy? The full story gets complex, but I > will give some setup details at the end to simplify this. > > The rules go like this: > (1) Once loaded into E-Studio, File > Save will continue to save an > EP2 file in its current format, whether Pro or base (however, if you > want to be extra careful you can always use File > Save As... and > look at "Save as type"). > (2) As you have found when you open an existing EP2-base file, by > default EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base > file format or convert it to the Pro file format. (Nothing > interesting or useful happens when you open an existing EP2 Pro file.) > (3) When you start E-Studio, or start a new program (File > New), EP2 > Pro will bring up a dialog box ("New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment") of > template files in both Pro and EP2-base formats. > > So in short you want to start files in the EP2-base format, and then > maintain that without any annoyances or opportunities for mistakes. > > Let's start with rule (3). When you start E-Studio or start a new > program (File > New), what appears in the template dialog box are > just ordinary EP2 files that sit in a special directory, namely > C:\Program Files\PST\E-Prime 2.0\Templates\ (may be somewhere else > depending on your setup, but you get the idea). You may put whatever > EP2 files you like there, and they will be added to the templates > dialog box when you start E-Studio or start a new program. I like to > remove the "Basic.es2" and "Basic (Professional).es2" files and leave > the "Blank.es2" and "Blank (Professional).es2" files. If you want to > make it harder to start a new program in the Pro format, just remove > all the "...(Professional).es2" files from the Templates > folder. Remember, you can always convert them to Pro later if > needed. Once you load any EP2-base format file, rule (1) takes over, > and you are set. (Note that clicking cancel from the template dialog > does the same as selecting "Blank (Professional).es2", even if that > file has been removed.) > > Now on to rule (2). By default, when you open an existing EP2-base > file EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file > format or convert it to the Pro file format. You will want to select > Maintain and click OK. But before you do this, if you select "Always > perform this operation when opening E-Prime 2.0 files" then it will > change a program setting so that you will not be nagged again (I will > come back to this). Rule (1) takes over again after you load the > EP2-base file without converting, and you are all set. > > Now to make this easy and less prone to mistakes: Go to Tools > > Options, and in the General tab, go down to E-Prime 2.0 Professional > Conversion. Make sure that under "When loading..." it says "Maintain > the E-Prime 2.0 file format", and make sure that "Always perform this > conversion action without prompting" is checked. (Hmm, I suppose I > could have just said that without the long-winded explanation, but > where is the fun in that?) You still have to remember to load an > EP2-base file template whenever you start a new program from scratch > (File > New), but this setting will stop the nags for existing EP2-base > files. > > As long as I have gone this far, I might as well lay out the full set > of settings changes I make every time I set up EP2 Pro. Perhaps > others would like to contribute their own favorite setup > options. For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, > - General: > - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: > - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format > - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- > checked > - Structure > - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked > - Toolbox > - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked > - Script > - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) > - AutoUpdate > - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like > updates in the middle of studies) > > > My apologies for a long reply of limited interest, > -- David McFarlane, Professional (and long-winded) Faultfinder > > > [Footnote 1] PST uses "E-Prime 2 Professional" to refer to the Pro > edition of EP2, and just "E-Prime 2" to refer to the edition that is > *not* Pro. I find this confusing, as it provides no way to refer to > E-Prime 2 without referring specifically to one or the other > edition. As a native speaker of English, I find it more natural to > use "E-Prime 2" when I do not wish to specify an edition. I can then > use "E-Prime 2 Professional" or "EP2 Pro" to refer to the Pro > edition, but then how do I refer to the edition that is not > "Professional"? I tried using "EP2 non-Pro", but that is hard to > keep straight and it is too easy to slip and leave off the "non", > which then drastically changes the meaning of my sentences. PST > staff themselves sometimes resort to saying EP2 "standard". However, > that implies that the non-Pro edition is in fact the "standard" that > researchers should use unless they specifically need Pro, whereas I > feel that the true "standard" edition is Pro and the non-Pro edition > is a limited-purpose edition. I might call it EP2 Basic, but that > could get confusing as "Basic" is also the name of the underlying > programming language. Perhaps "EP2 Limited", or "EP2 Elements" > (following Adobe). So far I like "EP2-base", to indicate that it is > the starting edition that forms the basis or foundation for the full > "Professional" edition. I also toyed with "EP2 Junior" just because > I like the diminutive tone of that, but then thought that went a bit > too far. So for now, I will try "EP2-base". > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rickogorman at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:54:53 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:54:53 +0000 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? In-Reply-To: <4925bb68.e701be0a.2478.ffffd4f7SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Much appreciated--not only confirms what I concluded, but makes clear for me what is going on and how 'unreferenced objects' are meant to be used. Thanks very much, Rick David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting >> unreferenced objects. > > Glad you fixed your problem and reported back, I would not have > thought of this. > >> I had assumed that these were essentially ignored >> by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits >> already created. But given that removing some elements (done without >> reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up >> the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? >> Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? > > You are correct insofar as all those unused unreferenced objects are > not ignored and they do affect your program. All the Unreferenced > E-Objects get added to the full script and compiled whether or not > your program uses them. You can tell this a couple of ways: First, > any object that raises a compile-time error will still raise a > compile-time error even after you "delete" it to Unreferenced > E-Objects. Second, you can just look in the full generated script -- > View > Script, select the Full tab, and scroll down to Sub > InitObjects, you will see that E-Prime has dutifully added all of > your Unreferenced E-Object to be initialized every time you run your program. > > This is one reason that I scrupulously remove any unused E-Objects > before I release my programs for general use, I just assumed > everybody else did the same. I also do this because it greatly > clarifies reading the program later -- if anybody later has to read > my program, all those unused objects will get in the way, especially > if some Unreferenced E-Objects get used while others do not. It is > my duty to clean up my mess before I set the program loose. > > So what are Unreferenced E-Objects for, and why does "delete" send > objects there instead of actually deleting them? "Unreferenced > E-Objects" is really a misnomer. It really means "objects that might > be used but are not referenced in any simple way by objects in the > main E-Studio structure", and we do not have a simpler word phrase to > say that. For instance, you might have an object that gets invoked > only by inline script, and E-Prime has no good way to indicate that > in the Structure view. Or, you have a nested list that gets assigned > only at run time via an attribute reference, so the Structure has no > good way to show this at design time. So these objects really do get > "referenced" in inline script or at run time, but in general E-Prime > has no neat way to show this in the Structure view, hence > "Unreferenced E-Objects" (well what would *you* call > them?). Follow? So how do you make these "unreferenced" but really > referenced E-Objects? You could drag the appropriate toolbox icon > straight into Unreferenced E-Objects, but many folks find it easier > to drag a toolbox icon over onto a Procedure object, and then > "delete" it to get it over into Unreferenced E-Objects. Still > following? Because of this practice, when you "delete" an object > from a Procedure, E-Studio never knows whether you really mean to > delete the object or just use it in some "unreferenced" way. As you > and most users soon discover, to really delete an object you must > delete it from Unreferenced E-Objects. > > Well, you got more from me than you bargained for. I hope I said > something useful in there somewhere, I just sort of wanted to lay > that all out for future reference for myself if no one else. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Nov 21 14:35:55 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:35:55 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4925dc5b.13bb720a.1499.ffffd561SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: >For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, >- General: > - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: > - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format > - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- checked >- Structure > - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked >- Toolbox > - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked >- Script > - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) >- AutoUpdate > - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like > updates in the middle of studies) One more "gotcha" that I forgot to mention: Any changes made in Tools > Options affect only the current user account, not the whole computer. You need to make these changes separately for each user account. Perhaps PST could add some sort of a defaults.ini settings file to apply customized global defaults (and that could then be overridden at the user account level when needed). (Hmm, I just described a common practice in Unix-like systems.) -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From daniela.pfabigan at univie.ac.at Fri Nov 21 17:26:29 2008 From: daniela.pfabigan at univie.ac.at (Daniela) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:26:29 -0800 Subject: SRBox Line Currency Artefacts Message-ID: Hello! We have the following problem in our EEG lab: Our SRBox is responsible for remarkable line currency artefacts in the ongoing EEG (for example: if the SRBox is moved unwittingly during data acquisition, high amplitude artefacts are occuring; another example: if the subject puts his/her hand on the SRBox 50Hz line currency is immediatly visible in the EEG). Does anyone have the same probems? Any solutions? Yours sincerly, Daniela Pfabigan Brain Research Lab Faculty of Psychology University of Vienna --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From yrsmile117 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 12:29:13 2008 From: yrsmile117 at gmail.com (Clara Chen) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:29:13 -0800 Subject: Order selection in the List object Message-ID: Hi all, I have a question about order selection in my list: I have 16 prime words * 8 conditions, which get 128 samples in my design list. However, in my experiment, I only want to run 16 trials from this list. That is, for each prime word, I hope the computer could randomly select one of the 8 conditions. Also, I have to make sure that these different conditions are evenly distributed to the subjects. For example, if I have 16 subjects doing this experiment, all of the 8 conditions should be run twice. My question is, if I want to do so, is it okay to set the selection (order) in the design list to be "Random"? I am not sure which setting is better so that the computer could evenly and randomly select one of the eight conditions for each prime word in my list? Does anyone have suggestions on this? Thank you! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From Jacob.Zweig at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 18:10:46 2008 From: Jacob.Zweig at gmail.com (neo82087) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:10:46 -0800 Subject: Recording clicks Message-ID: Hi, we're trying to create a program that records the number of clicks on a task and saves this information. Our program is giving some strange values that are not accurate. So far, we initialize nbClick = 0 and then use the script: if (Mouse.Buttons AND ebMouseButton1) then nbClick = nbClick+1 'incr?mente le nombre de click 'Trouve les coordonn? de la souris Mouse.GetCursorPos ptClick.x, ptClick.y sleep (1000/c.getattrib("Display.RefreshRate")) end if then at the end of the script we have: c.setattrib "nbClick", nbClick If anyone has any input of information of why this is not working, or if there is a better method to do this, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From giovanni.ottoboni at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 09:32:32 2008 From: giovanni.ottoboni at gmail.com (GioOtto) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:32:32 -0700 Subject: Counterbalancing Message-ID: I am new of eprime and i need some help. I am designing an experiment where I have four blocks: Two belong to one variable (i.e., 1 and 2) Two belong to another variable (i.e., 3 and 4). I would like to find a way to present all the four blocks counterbalanced between the participants. One participant should be presented with block 1 and block 2 from the 1st variable and block 3 and 4 from the 2nd variable, the following participant should be presented with block 2 and block 1 from the 1st variable and block 4 and 3 from the 2nd variable, another should be presented with block 3 and block 4 from the 2nd variable and block 1 and 2 from the 1st variable, the last to close the loop should be presented with block 4 and block 3 from the 2nd variable and block 2 and 1 from the 1st variable. I would like not to create 4 exp, but if this is the case I can do it. Thanks for any help gio --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From t1msky at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 3 11:00:28 2008 From: t1msky at yahoo.co.uk (Victor) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:00:28 -0800 Subject: Counterbalancing In-Reply-To: <9aa82291-ed30-40be-8b30-2af3dc8503f9@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Gio There may be a more elegant way to do this, but I have used a similar experiement whereby I wanted to counterbalance the order of blocks. What I did was insert a text box at the start of the expereiment whereby the experimenter can input a number from 1-4 (for the 4 possible orders). Then insert a label at the start of each block and one at the end of the experiment. Following the text box, you want an inline script to tell you which label to go to when the experiment begins. e.g. IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block1 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block2 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO block4 and following each block to say where to go next. For example, after block1 you want IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block2 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block4 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO end and following block 2 you want IF textbox1.RESP = 1 THEN GOTO block3 IF textbox1.RESP = 2 THEN GOTO block1 IF textbox1.RESP = 3 THEN GOTO end IF textbox1.RESP = 4 THEN GOTO block1 Complete the inline scripts so that for input 1-4, the sequence of blocks is completed in the counterbalanced order you want. After the last block in each case you can add a goto end. Hope this helps Tim On Nov 1, 9:32?am, GioOtto wrote: > I am new of eprime and i need some help. > I am designing an experiment where I have four blocks: > Two belong to one variable (i.e., 1 and 2) > Two belong to another variable (i.e., 3 and 4). > I would like to find a way to present all the four blocks > counterbalanced between the participants. > One participant should be presented with block 1 and block 2 from the > 1st variable and block 3 and 4 from the 2nd variable, the following > participant should be presented with block 2 and block 1 from the 1st > variable and block 4 and 3 from the 2nd variable, another should be > presented with block 3 and block 4 from the 2nd ?variable and block 1 > and 2 from the 1st variable, the last to close the loop should be > presented with block 4 and block 3 from the 2nd ?variable and block 2 > and 1 from the 1st variable. I would like not to create 4 exp, but if > this is the case I can do it. > Thanks for any help > gio --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Nov 3 20:55:23 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 Subject: Solutions for Script too Large Error In-Reply-To: <3a61c860-15ee-4e79-a20f-2865c420987a@d42g2000prb.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: At 11/3/2008 03:23 PM Monday, you wrote: >I am looking for some advice on a program that is giving me the >aforementioned error. As for the error message, this was discussed recently on the PST Forum, and PST also has a Knowledge Base article about this. Go to http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Forum3-1.aspx , do a search on "script too large", and look through the results. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lloydlabshu at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 20:23:09 2008 From: lloydlabshu at gmail.com (MemoryLabSHU) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:23:09 -0800 Subject: Solutions for Script too Large Error Message-ID: I am looking for some advice on a program that is giving me the aforementioned error. Subjects are reading portions of sentences and this is being timed. The sentences are paired with musical phrases. Originally I used a different list for each sentence and that seems to be the problem causing the error (an idea suggested by similar answers in this group). Thus, I need help on how to do this with only one list. The problem is that sentences vary in length and thus need between 5-11 attributes in a list. After participants read the sentence there is a comprehension question. Is there a way to program such that unneeded attributes for shorter sentences are skipped and the program moves directly to the comprehension screen? The only 2 solutions I could come up with is to have dummy screens before the comprehension but that would add a lot of junk RT data to the file. The second idea was to nest lists with varying attribute length procedures. This would mean 7lists instead of one list and I worry that could still be a script problem. In addition, I do not understand how to have it select these sentences in order such that it can do a 8 item sentence and then a 7 and not run through all of the 8 item lists first. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 11:59:39 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:59:39 +0000 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doubt that my title makes much sense, because I am unsure how to even ask for what I need help with! I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use those inputted variable items later as stimuli. I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called SolicitNames. In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: SolicitNames.Sample: 1 namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item The sample goes up to 10, of course. I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format and I don't know VB or C. Thanks for any suggestions, Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 16:52:04 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:52:04 -0500 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: <49118AAB.5090301@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use >those inputted variable items later as stimuli. > >I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it >running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and >takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called >SolicitNames. > >In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? > >In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of >the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 >different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put >them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of >each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: >family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. > >But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, >because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile >that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: > >SolicitNames.Sample: 1 >namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item > >The sample goes up to 10, of course. > >I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), >namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format >and I don't know VB or C. > >Thanks for any suggestions, In general, EP does not keep a record of the past that that could be used within the experiment program. Once data are logged to disk, EP pretty much forgets about it. So if you need to know about the past, you must take care of that yourself by using script to store things in global variables (if you don't know about global variables, see the "Using E-Basic" chapter in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime). In your case you would probably want to store responses in an array for use later. That is just some general advice, I hope you can find a way to apply it to the details of your specific experiment program. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder Moore's Constant: Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody does something, but no one does what they set out to do. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dutch.linguistics at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 11:22:02 2008 From: dutch.linguistics at gmail.com (MarcoV) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:22:02 -0800 Subject: Karaoke style text-to-audio alignment? Message-ID: Dear all, I have an idea for an experiment, but I do not know whether it can be implemented in e-prime. Is it possible to align a text file with an audio file, like in a karaoke program? Thus, somehow placing emphasis on the part of the written sentence that corresponds to the audio file played at that moment? Thanks for any suggestions. Cheers, Marco --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:28:51 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:28:51 +0000 Subject: Variables from an inputted list In-Reply-To: <491320b9.25bd720a.46b8.ffffb20dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Thanks for your reply. I think you're right that by using global variables, I could achieve what I need. In between my cry for help and your reply, I had found an alternative approach, using script to populate a list that in turn is accessible for the procedure I need to do (thanks to this site: http://godzilla.kennedykrieger.org/sw/eprime/samples/). This approach required restructuring my experiment a little, but that may be no bad thing. But I think the global variables would be the quicker to implement. Rick David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> I want an E-Prime experiment to take inputs some users, and then use >> those inputted variable items later as stimuli. >> >> I have a list that provides a series of questions (10), and I have it >> running so that each question gets asked (ie, presented as stimulus) and >> takes input. The variable is called namesolicit, the procedure is called >> SolicitNames. >> >> In a separate procedure, how do I access these items? >> >> In a previous version which worked, I had the input textboxes as part of >> the main procedure, rather than their own procedure, so I had 10 >> different textboxes ask the questions (that way, I didn't have to put >> them in a list). That way, I could access the inputs with the name of >> each textbox (eg, family1, family2, etc.) and .resp as follows: >> family1.resp, family2.resp. This worked well but seems clunky to me. >> >> But I'm at a loss as to how to get at the inputs with the new system, >> because the textbox is always namesolicit. When I look in the datafile >> that is generated, I see two lines that seem relevant: >> >> SolicitNames.Sample: 1 >> namesolicit.RESP: inputted_item >> >> The sample goes up to 10, of course. >> >> I tried various permutations such as namesolicit.resp(1), >> namesolicit(1).resp, and so on, but I can't stumble on the right format >> and I don't know VB or C. >> >> Thanks for any suggestions, > > In general, EP does not keep a record of the past that that could be > used within the experiment program. Once data are logged to disk, EP > pretty much forgets about it. So if you need to know about the past, > you must take care of that yourself by using script to store things > in global variables (if you don't know about global variables, see > the "Using E-Basic" chapter in the User's Guide that came with > E-Prime). In your case you would probably want to store responses in > an array for use later. > > That is just some general advice, I hope you can find a way to apply > it to the details of your specific experiment program. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > Moore's Constant: Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody > does something, but no one does what they set out to do. > > > > -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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The native poll rate (in XP and Vista) of the USB bus is only about 120 Hz - 8 ms resolution. However - this can be fixed. I'm sorry I can't recall teh name of teh applet... but if you Google around, you'll find one (or a few) that allow you to manually set the rate at which Windows samples the USB bus. I believe the max is 1200 Hz, which is plenty. Please note - this affects ALL devices connected via USB, including your mouse... in fact that's what the sw was originally designed for, faster mouse movement. If running on a laptop, battery life will suffer. -Dave On Oct 21, 5:18?pm, Marhitomi wrote: > Some experiments we run use touch-screens. I've been told that there > is a timing problem - recording reaction times is not very accurate, > as was determined in 2002 when we first got the screens. > > We've had eprime 1 and are upgrading to eprime 2.0. The touch-screens > we have now are MicroTouch 3M from 2002 and they run on Serial Ports. > > Have you had timing problems as well? I need to purchase new machines > that would not have this problem - any suggestions on models to buy? > > I've been told that getting screens with USB connections could affect > timing? Thoughts? > > Thank-you in advance for all your help. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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They say it does not require any additional drivers, so I do not know how they do this or if it really works. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From systemfri at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 05:07:06 2008 From: systemfri at gmail.com (roshan roshan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:07:06 +0800 Subject: <<<<<< ALL PHP========>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: ALL PHP EBOOKS PHP 5 For Dummies http://ebooklobby.blogspot.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make these attributes appear in a different random order for each of the ~50 examples I'll present? The solution I can think of now is to write code that has a string array 'f1' 'f2' 'f3', randomizes this array, and then sets each element of the randomized array to Text Boxes on a slide. But I'm not sure how easy this will be to implement in practice, and it seems as though there might be a natural way to use E-prime to randomize the order the items appear in. Thank you, Joseph --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Does anyone have any >suggestions on how to make these attributes appear in a different >random order for each of the ~50 examples I'll present? > >The solution I can think of now is to write code that has a string >array 'f1' 'f2' 'f3', randomizes this array, and then sets each >element of the randomized array to Text Boxes on a slide. But I'm >not sure how easy this will be to implement in practice, and it >seems as though there might be a natural way to use E-prime to >randomize the order the items appear in. Your plan should work, and would seem most natural to many EP users. OTOH, the "natural" "E-Prime way" (IMO) would use nested lists and colon styntax. For each member I might create a nested list with three rows that contain the features in a single column, let's call the column "Feature". I would set the nested lists to Randomize. Then in my display object I would use [Feature:0], [Feature:1], and [Feature:2] to show the features in a randomized order. For more info on nested lists and colon sytnax, do the Nested Lists tutorial in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime, and check the index to find the section on colon syntax. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Thank you, > >Joseph > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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I have these 4 stimuli as separate procedures under a List that weights each of the four differently (more go trials than stop). In between each stimuli presentation I am attempting to randomly (w/o replacement) select the ISI time from a weighted list with five possible times (500ms, 750ms, etc). My problem is that I cannot seem to get EPrime to randomly select both without replacement in series. I need the program to run through exactly the same amount of each stimulus (goL, goR etc) and the same distribution of ISIs (500ms, 750ms etc) while randomly selecting and pair both w/o replacement. I can get it to do one but not the other, and was wondering if anyone knew a way to effectively place two lists in a row, so that the program would choose randomly from one list and then the other. Alternatively, would there be a way to have a list of ISItimes that could be randomly accessed (w/o replacement) inside the GoL GoR StopL StopR programs. For example, the program would function as follows: (P) TrialProcedure - (L) TrialList (with weighted GoL GoR etc.) - (P) GoL_procedure - (Slide) Fix - (Slide) ArrowLeft - (Slide) ISI [and here the ISI time could randomly access this magical list and select the time interval] - (P) GoR_procedure END I hope that my question isn't too long and that I explained everything adequately. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate your help. Sincere Thanks, -Zach Cohen --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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It also uses the 'colon' notation, which IMO complicates things and for your purposes you can ignore that part. I think you'll also find more eloquent explanations on the archives of this mailing list and in the user forums. Regards, Tony. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Zach wrote: > > Hello All, > This is my first time posting but as a new user of EPrime, > reading this list serve has been immensely helpful over the past month > and for that I thank you. > > The problem I am currently grappling with is one of randomization. I > have a stop signal program that randomly (w/o replacement) presents > the user with 4 stimuli (goleft, goright, stopleft, and stopright), > with each stimulus presentation separated by inter-stimulus-interval > (blank screen). I have these 4 stimuli as separate procedures under a > List that weights each of the four differently (more go trials than > stop). In between each stimuli presentation I am attempting to > randomly (w/o replacement) select the ISI time from a weighted list > with five possible times (500ms, 750ms, etc). > > My problem is that I cannot seem to get EPrime to randomly select both > without replacement in series. I need the program to run through > exactly the same amount of each stimulus (goL, goR etc) and the same > distribution of ISIs (500ms, 750ms etc) while randomly selecting and > pair both w/o replacement. I can get it to do one but not the other, > and was wondering if anyone knew a way to effectively place two lists > in a row, so that the program would choose randomly from one list and > then the other. Alternatively, would there be a way to have a list of > ISItimes that could be randomly accessed (w/o replacement) inside the > GoL GoR StopL StopR programs. > > For example, the program would function as follows: > (P) TrialProcedure > - (L) TrialList (with weighted GoL GoR etc.) > - (P) GoL_procedure > - (Slide) Fix > - (Slide) ArrowLeft > - (Slide) ISI [and here the ISI time could > randomly access this magical list and select the time interval] > - (P) GoR_procedure > END > > I hope that my question isn't too long and that I explained everything > adequately. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate your > help. > Sincere Thanks, > -Zach Cohen > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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This is quite simple, by weighting the trials by the condition (so the for the condition described above, the trial gets a weighting of 3, and we're using sequential selection). What isn't working is the following: 1) we don't want someone to select the same answer twice. I've got it to strike-through the text of a previously selected item, and use InLine to set the allowable responses to the unselected options, but E-Prime still accepts a previously accepted response. 2) I'd like the computer to beep or something is an unallowed response is made (but still have E-Prime wait for an allowable response). Any thoughts? -- Dr. Nicole Anderson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Regards, Maciek --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Nov 18 23:07:39 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:39 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <70B0ADBD384F465A907EBC00BDB8478C@MACIEK> Message-ID: Maciek, >Our Institute is going to buy e-prime. We are concerning which of >the license options we should choose. The best solution would be >such which gives opportunities to program in e-prime by >researchers as well as by students. Probably about 30 people >should be able to use the program. Unfortunately, computers which >are in use at the Institute are not connected to network. Which >License Option would you recommend in such a situation? Not sure if you are asking just about hardware keys vs. a network key, or EP2 Professional vs. EP2 non-Pro/base/junior. I cannot answer the first, but as for the second, if you use this just for teaching you can save some money and purchase EP2 base. If you use this for research and want to make sure that you can always share programs with collaborators, then spend the extra money for EP2 Pro. If you search the mailing list and the PST Forum you can find where I have discussed this at more length. And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 10:47:18 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:47:18 +0000 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <49234abe.25bd720a.527c.ffffa4f4SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder Hi David, This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 11:16:40 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:16:40 +0000 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? Message-ID: As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting unreferenced objects. I had assumed that these were essentially ignored by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits already created. But given that removing some elements (done without reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? Rick Rick O'Gorman wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just created a large eprime experiment--it involves 3 IATs, with > some counterbalancing. As a result, eprime seems unable to handle this > size, and crashes if I try to drag things, very slow to delete an item, > and doesn't seem to want to run the exp (it gives me an error that I > can't seem to track down). > > Anyone else found these kinds of problems with the current rather buggy > beta version (2.0.x)? > > Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 19:30:58 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? In-Reply-To: <4923F598.4090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting >unreferenced objects. Glad you fixed your problem and reported back, I would not have thought of this. >I had assumed that these were essentially ignored >by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits >already created. But given that removing some elements (done without >reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up >the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? >Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? You are correct insofar as all those unused unreferenced objects are not ignored and they do affect your program. All the Unreferenced E-Objects get added to the full script and compiled whether or not your program uses them. You can tell this a couple of ways: First, any object that raises a compile-time error will still raise a compile-time error even after you "delete" it to Unreferenced E-Objects. Second, you can just look in the full generated script -- View > Script, select the Full tab, and scroll down to Sub InitObjects, you will see that E-Prime has dutifully added all of your Unreferenced E-Object to be initialized every time you run your program. This is one reason that I scrupulously remove any unused E-Objects before I release my programs for general use, I just assumed everybody else did the same. I also do this because it greatly clarifies reading the program later -- if anybody later has to read my program, all those unused objects will get in the way, especially if some Unreferenced E-Objects get used while others do not. It is my duty to clean up my mess before I set the program loose. So what are Unreferenced E-Objects for, and why does "delete" send objects there instead of actually deleting them? "Unreferenced E-Objects" is really a misnomer. It really means "objects that might be used but are not referenced in any simple way by objects in the main E-Studio structure", and we do not have a simpler word phrase to say that. For instance, you might have an object that gets invoked only by inline script, and E-Prime has no good way to indicate that in the Structure view. Or, you have a nested list that gets assigned only at run time via an attribute reference, so the Structure has no good way to show this at design time. So these objects really do get "referenced" in inline script or at run time, but in general E-Prime has no neat way to show this in the Structure view, hence "Unreferenced E-Objects" (well what would *you* call them?). Follow? So how do you make these "unreferenced" but really referenced E-Objects? You could drag the appropriate toolbox icon straight into Unreferenced E-Objects, but many folks find it easier to drag a toolbox icon over onto a Procedure object, and then "delete" it to get it over into Unreferenced E-Objects. Still following? Because of this practice, when you "delete" an object from a Procedure, E-Studio never knows whether you really mean to delete the object or just use it in some "unreferenced" way. As you and most users soon discover, to really delete an object you must delete it from Unreferenced E-Objects. Well, you got more from me than you bargained for. I hope I said something useful in there somewhere, I just sort of wanted to lay that all out for future reference for myself if no one else. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 21:52:07 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:52:07 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4923EEB6.4020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >David McFarlane wrote: > > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > >Hi David, > >This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, >as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you >suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a >pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the >latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 >file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or >better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some >serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime >by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). Your response gives me the opportunity to address a number of issues, so this may take awhile and may bore a lot of people on the list, but here goes... In short... This has been addressed in part at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/a1b59b9a2103e0ec/f83c8690dc977c08?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#f83c8690dc977c08 , http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/faaccb1853426a7/62e06e022997663d?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#62e06e022997663d , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic884-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic914-13-1.aspx , and http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic897-12-1.aspx (I found these by going to the E-Prime Google Group and PST Forum and running a search on "non-pro", but then I knew what I was looking for). It is about sharing scripts, no other risk with the EP2 Pro format. PST does still take feedback on EP2, you will need to register using you license number and then post your concerns at the PST Forum (http://support.pstnet.com/forum/ ), or submit a Web support request. PST staff do take a look at this e-mail list, as evidenced by their occasional replies. The main staff seem to be Brandon Cernicky and Matt Lenhart. Of the two, Brandon seems the more senior member. I will give you a few tips here about changing the E-Prime settings to avoid annoyances. At length... Although I have said this elsewhere, I will lay it out again here. I will use "EP2-base" to refer to the edition of EP2 that is *not* Pro (see Footnote 1). Based on my own tests and confirmation with PST staff: - An .ebs2 (E-Run) file generated by EP2-base *will* run in E-Run 2 Pro. - An .ebs2 file generated by EP2 Pro *will* run in E-Run 2 base, at least if it does not use any Pro features (I did not test any Pro features). - An .es2 (E-Studio) file made in EP2-base *will* open in E-Studio Pro. - Now the bad news: An .es2 file made in Pro will *not* (repeat, *not*) open in E-Studio 2 base. So the problem comes only if you ever want to collaborate on *developing* (not just running) EP2 programs with another lab. If you have EP2-base, and your collaborator sends you an E-Studio (.es2) file that has been saved in the Pro format, then you will not be able to open it for viewing, editing, or running, even if the program does not use any Pro features. If they send you the E-Run/E-Basic (.ebs2) file then you can still run the experiment (as long as it does not use any Pro features), but you still cannot view the code let alone edit it. Vice versa if you use EP2 Pro and your collaborator uses EP2-base. Thus my strategy to always spend the extra money to get EP2 Pro, *and then*, whenever writing a new experiment, making sure to save the program using the EP2-base file format. That provides the broadest compatibility between the two editions of EP2. If you do find that you need some feature from Pro, you can always convert the EP2-base program to the Pro file format and go from there. But so far once a .es2 file is saved in the Pro format there is no way to convert it back to EP2-base format (although PST could always provide that capability in a later revision). Now, how to follow this strategy? The full story gets complex, but I will give some setup details at the end to simplify this. The rules go like this: (1) Once loaded into E-Studio, File > Save will continue to save an EP2 file in its current format, whether Pro or base (however, if you want to be extra careful you can always use File > Save As... and look at "Save as type"). (2) As you have found when you open an existing EP2-base file, by default EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file format or convert it to the Pro file format. (Nothing interesting or useful happens when you open an existing EP2 Pro file.) (3) When you start E-Studio, or start a new program (File > New), EP2 Pro will bring up a dialog box ("New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment") of template files in both Pro and EP2-base formats. So in short you want to start files in the EP2-base format, and then maintain that without any annoyances or opportunities for mistakes. Let's start with rule (3). When you start E-Studio or start a new program (File > New), what appears in the template dialog box are just ordinary EP2 files that sit in a special directory, namely C:\Program Files\PST\E-Prime 2.0\Templates\ (may be somewhere else depending on your setup, but you get the idea). You may put whatever EP2 files you like there, and they will be added to the templates dialog box when you start E-Studio or start a new program. I like to remove the "Basic.es2" and "Basic (Professional).es2" files and leave the "Blank.es2" and "Blank (Professional).es2" files. If you want to make it harder to start a new program in the Pro format, just remove all the "...(Professional).es2" files from the Templates folder. Remember, you can always convert them to Pro later if needed. Once you load any EP2-base format file, rule (1) takes over, and you are set. (Note that clicking cancel from the template dialog does the same as selecting "Blank (Professional).es2", even if that file has been removed.) Now on to rule (2). By default, when you open an existing EP2-base file EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file format or convert it to the Pro file format. You will want to select Maintain and click OK. But before you do this, if you select "Always perform this operation when opening E-Prime 2.0 files" then it will change a program setting so that you will not be nagged again (I will come back to this). Rule (1) takes over again after you load the EP2-base file without converting, and you are all set. Now to make this easy and less prone to mistakes: Go to Tools > Options, and in the General tab, go down to E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion. Make sure that under "When loading..." it says "Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 file format", and make sure that "Always perform this conversion action without prompting" is checked. (Hmm, I suppose I could have just said that without the long-winded explanation, but where is the fun in that?) You still have to remember to load an EP2-base file template whenever you start a new program from scratch (File > New), but this setting will stop the nags for existing EP2-base files. As long as I have gone this far, I might as well lay out the full set of settings changes I make every time I set up EP2 Pro. Perhaps others would like to contribute their own favorite setup options. For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, - General: - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- checked - Structure - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked - Toolbox - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked - Script - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) - AutoUpdate - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like updates in the middle of studies) My apologies for a long reply of limited interest, -- David McFarlane, Professional (and long-winded) Faultfinder [Footnote 1] PST uses "E-Prime 2 Professional" to refer to the Pro edition of EP2, and just "E-Prime 2" to refer to the edition that is *not* Pro. I find this confusing, as it provides no way to refer to E-Prime 2 without referring specifically to one or the other edition. As a native speaker of English, I find it more natural to use "E-Prime 2" when I do not wish to specify an edition. I can then use "E-Prime 2 Professional" or "EP2 Pro" to refer to the Pro edition, but then how do I refer to the edition that is not "Professional"? I tried using "EP2 non-Pro", but that is hard to keep straight and it is too easy to slip and leave off the "non", which then drastically changes the meaning of my sentences. PST staff themselves sometimes resort to saying EP2 "standard". However, that implies that the non-Pro edition is in fact the "standard" that researchers should use unless they specifically need Pro, whereas I feel that the true "standard" edition is Pro and the non-Pro edition is a limited-purpose edition. I might call it EP2 Basic, but that could get confusing as "Basic" is also the name of the underlying programming language. Perhaps "EP2 Limited", or "EP2 Elements" (following Adobe). So far I like "EP2-base", to indicate that it is the starting edition that forms the basis or foundation for the full "Professional" edition. I also toyed with "EP2 Junior" just because I like the diminutive tone of that, but then thought that went a bit too far. So for now, I will try "EP2-base". --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:16:25 2008 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:16:25 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4925dc5b.13bb720a.1499.ffffd561SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: PHEW!!!very nice, david. and very clear. thank you. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, David McFarlane wrote: > > Rick, > > >David McFarlane wrote: > > > And if you do purchase EP2 Pro, make sure to save your new programs > > > in the non-Pro format unless you really use Pro features. There is a > > > way to make that the default if you look through the program, that is > > > how I always set it up (has to be done for each user account, though). > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > >Hi David, > > > >This comment puzzled me a little--maybe you also explain this elsewhere, > >as you do for EP2 v EP2Pro, but if not I'd like to understand why you > >suggest the above. Is it for purposes of sharing scripts, or is there a > >pborlem or risk with using the EP2Pro format? Currently, I use the > >latter b/c Eprime always badgers me on whether I want to save the EP2 > >file as EP2Pro (by the way, do PST take feedback still on EPrime? Or > >better yet, read this list? I am hopeful that the final v2 will fix some > >serious bugs and annoyances--for example, I can't see how to stop EPrime > >by default on opening popping up a dialog box asking what I want to do). > > Your response gives me the opportunity to address a number of issues, > so this may take awhile and may bore a lot of people on the list, but > here goes... > > In short... > > This has been addressed in part at > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/a1b59b9a2103e0ec/f83c8690dc977c08?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#f83c8690dc977c08 > , > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/faaccb1853426a7/62e06e022997663d?lnk=gst&q=non-pro#62e06e022997663d > , > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic884-12-1.aspx , > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic914-13-1.aspx , and > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic897-12-1.aspx > (I found these by going to the E-Prime Google Group and PST Forum and > running a search on "non-pro", but then I knew what I was looking > for). It is about sharing scripts, no other risk with the EP2 Pro > format. PST does still take feedback on EP2, you will need to > register using you license number and then post your concerns at the > PST Forum (http://support.pstnet.com/forum/ ), or submit a Web > support request. PST staff do take a look at this e-mail list, as > evidenced by their occasional replies. The main staff seem to be > Brandon Cernicky and Matt Lenhart. Of the two, Brandon seems the > more senior member. I will give you a few tips here about changing > the E-Prime settings to avoid annoyances. > > > At length... > > Although I have said this elsewhere, I will lay it out again here. I > will use "EP2-base" to refer to the edition of EP2 that is *not* Pro > (see Footnote 1). Based on my own tests and confirmation with PST staff: > > - An .ebs2 (E-Run) file generated by EP2-base *will* run in E-Run 2 Pro. > - An .ebs2 file generated by EP2 Pro *will* run in E-Run 2 base, at > least if it does not use any Pro features (I did not test any Pro > features). > - An .es2 (E-Studio) file made in EP2-base *will* open in E-Studio Pro. > - Now the bad news: An .es2 file made in Pro will *not* (repeat, > *not*) open in E-Studio 2 base. > > So the problem comes only if you ever want to collaborate on > *developing* (not just running) EP2 programs with another lab. If > you have EP2-base, and your collaborator sends you an E-Studio (.es2) > file that has been saved in the Pro format, then you will > not be able to open it for viewing, editing, or running, even if the > program does not use any Pro features. If they send you the > E-Run/E-Basic (.ebs2) file then you can still run the experiment (as > long as it does not use any Pro features), but you still cannot view > the code let alone edit it. Vice versa if you use EP2 Pro and your > collaborator uses EP2-base. > > Thus my strategy to always spend the extra money to get EP2 Pro, *and > then*, whenever writing a new experiment, making sure to save the > program using the EP2-base file format. > That provides the broadest compatibility between the two editions of > EP2. If you do find that you need some feature from Pro, you can > always convert the EP2-base program to the Pro file format and go > from there. But so far once a .es2 file is saved in the Pro format > there is no way to convert it back to EP2-base format (although PST > could always provide that capability in a later revision). > > Now, how to follow this strategy? The full story gets complex, but I > will give some setup details at the end to simplify this. > > The rules go like this: > (1) Once loaded into E-Studio, File > Save will continue to save an > EP2 file in its current format, whether Pro or base (however, if you > want to be extra careful you can always use File > Save As... and > look at "Save as type"). > (2) As you have found when you open an existing EP2-base file, by > default EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base > file format or convert it to the Pro file format. (Nothing > interesting or useful happens when you open an existing EP2 Pro file.) > (3) When you start E-Studio, or start a new program (File > New), EP2 > Pro will bring up a dialog box ("New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment") of > template files in both Pro and EP2-base formats. > > So in short you want to start files in the EP2-base format, and then > maintain that without any annoyances or opportunities for mistakes. > > Let's start with rule (3). When you start E-Studio or start a new > program (File > New), what appears in the template dialog box are > just ordinary EP2 files that sit in a special directory, namely > C:\Program Files\PST\E-Prime 2.0\Templates\ (may be somewhere else > depending on your setup, but you get the idea). You may put whatever > EP2 files you like there, and they will be added to the templates > dialog box when you start E-Studio or start a new program. I like to > remove the "Basic.es2" and "Basic (Professional).es2" files and leave > the "Blank.es2" and "Blank (Professional).es2" files. If you want to > make it harder to start a new program in the Pro format, just remove > all the "...(Professional).es2" files from the Templates > folder. Remember, you can always convert them to Pro later if > needed. Once you load any EP2-base format file, rule (1) takes over, > and you are set. (Note that clicking cancel from the template dialog > does the same as selecting "Blank (Professional).es2", even if that > file has been removed.) > > Now on to rule (2). By default, when you open an existing EP2-base > file EP2 Pro will ask whether you want to maintain the EP2-base file > format or convert it to the Pro file format. You will want to select > Maintain and click OK. But before you do this, if you select "Always > perform this operation when opening E-Prime 2.0 files" then it will > change a program setting so that you will not be nagged again (I will > come back to this). Rule (1) takes over again after you load the > EP2-base file without converting, and you are all set. > > Now to make this easy and less prone to mistakes: Go to Tools > > Options, and in the General tab, go down to E-Prime 2.0 Professional > Conversion. Make sure that under "When loading..." it says "Maintain > the E-Prime 2.0 file format", and make sure that "Always perform this > conversion action without prompting" is checked. (Hmm, I suppose I > could have just said that without the long-winded explanation, but > where is the fun in that?) You still have to remember to load an > EP2-base file template whenever you start a new program from scratch > (File > New), but this setting will stop the nags for existing EP2-base > files. > > As long as I have gone this far, I might as well lay out the full set > of settings changes I make every time I set up EP2 Pro. Perhaps > others would like to contribute their own favorite setup > options. For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, > - General: > - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: > - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format > - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- > checked > - Structure > - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked > - Toolbox > - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked > - Script > - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) > - AutoUpdate > - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like > updates in the middle of studies) > > > My apologies for a long reply of limited interest, > -- David McFarlane, Professional (and long-winded) Faultfinder > > > [Footnote 1] PST uses "E-Prime 2 Professional" to refer to the Pro > edition of EP2, and just "E-Prime 2" to refer to the edition that is > *not* Pro. I find this confusing, as it provides no way to refer to > E-Prime 2 without referring specifically to one or the other > edition. As a native speaker of English, I find it more natural to > use "E-Prime 2" when I do not wish to specify an edition. I can then > use "E-Prime 2 Professional" or "EP2 Pro" to refer to the Pro > edition, but then how do I refer to the edition that is not > "Professional"? I tried using "EP2 non-Pro", but that is hard to > keep straight and it is too easy to slip and leave off the "non", > which then drastically changes the meaning of my sentences. PST > staff themselves sometimes resort to saying EP2 "standard". However, > that implies that the non-Pro edition is in fact the "standard" that > researchers should use unless they specifically need Pro, whereas I > feel that the true "standard" edition is Pro and the non-Pro edition > is a limited-purpose edition. I might call it EP2 Basic, but that > could get confusing as "Basic" is also the name of the underlying > programming language. Perhaps "EP2 Limited", or "EP2 Elements" > (following Adobe). So far I like "EP2-base", to indicate that it is > the starting edition that forms the basis or foundation for the full > "Professional" edition. I also toyed with "EP2 Junior" just because > I like the diminutive tone of that, but then thought that went a bit > too far. So for now, I will try "EP2-base". > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rickogorman at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:54:53 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:54:53 +0000 Subject: capacity problem with eprime? In-Reply-To: <4925bb68.e701be0a.2478.ffffd4f7SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Much appreciated--not only confirms what I concluded, but makes clear for me what is going on and how 'unreferenced objects' are meant to be used. Thanks very much, Rick David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> As a follow-up to this, I seem to have fixed my problem by deleting >> unreferenced objects. > > Glad you fixed your problem and reported back, I would not have > thought of this. > >> I had assumed that these were essentially ignored >> by Eprime and that unreferenced objects was a holding area for bits >> already created. But given that removing some elements (done without >> reference to whether any had errors within them--I was simply tidying up >> the script/file) fixed an error, it seems I am wrong in this assumption? >> Or am I correct that the whole lot was overloading Eprime? > > You are correct insofar as all those unused unreferenced objects are > not ignored and they do affect your program. All the Unreferenced > E-Objects get added to the full script and compiled whether or not > your program uses them. You can tell this a couple of ways: First, > any object that raises a compile-time error will still raise a > compile-time error even after you "delete" it to Unreferenced > E-Objects. Second, you can just look in the full generated script -- > View > Script, select the Full tab, and scroll down to Sub > InitObjects, you will see that E-Prime has dutifully added all of > your Unreferenced E-Object to be initialized every time you run your program. > > This is one reason that I scrupulously remove any unused E-Objects > before I release my programs for general use, I just assumed > everybody else did the same. I also do this because it greatly > clarifies reading the program later -- if anybody later has to read > my program, all those unused objects will get in the way, especially > if some Unreferenced E-Objects get used while others do not. It is > my duty to clean up my mess before I set the program loose. > > So what are Unreferenced E-Objects for, and why does "delete" send > objects there instead of actually deleting them? "Unreferenced > E-Objects" is really a misnomer. It really means "objects that might > be used but are not referenced in any simple way by objects in the > main E-Studio structure", and we do not have a simpler word phrase to > say that. For instance, you might have an object that gets invoked > only by inline script, and E-Prime has no good way to indicate that > in the Structure view. Or, you have a nested list that gets assigned > only at run time via an attribute reference, so the Structure has no > good way to show this at design time. So these objects really do get > "referenced" in inline script or at run time, but in general E-Prime > has no neat way to show this in the Structure view, hence > "Unreferenced E-Objects" (well what would *you* call > them?). Follow? So how do you make these "unreferenced" but really > referenced E-Objects? You could drag the appropriate toolbox icon > straight into Unreferenced E-Objects, but many folks find it easier > to drag a toolbox icon over onto a Procedure object, and then > "delete" it to get it over into Unreferenced E-Objects. Still > following? Because of this practice, when you "delete" an object > from a Procedure, E-Studio never knows whether you really mean to > delete the object or just use it in some "unreferenced" way. As you > and most users soon discover, to really delete an object you must > delete it from Unreferenced E-Objects. > > Well, you got more from me than you bargained for. I hope I said > something useful in there somewhere, I just sort of wanted to lay > that all out for future reference for myself if no one else. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Nov 21 14:35:55 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:35:55 -0500 Subject: License Options In-Reply-To: <4925dc5b.13bb720a.1499.ffffd561SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: >For each tab of the Tools > Options dialog, >- General: > - E-Prime 2.0 Professional Conversion: > - Maintain the E-Prime 2.0 format > - Always perform this conversion action without prompting -- checked >- Structure > - Allow Structure Branches to Collapse -- checked >- Toolbox > - Show the toolbox item large icons -- unchecked >- Script > - Use ScriptSense... -- unchecked (already the default) >- AutoUpdate > - Routinely check for updates... -- unchecked (don't like > updates in the middle of studies) One more "gotcha" that I forgot to mention: Any changes made in Tools > Options affect only the current user account, not the whole computer. You need to make these changes separately for each user account. Perhaps PST could add some sort of a defaults.ini settings file to apply customized global defaults (and that could then be overridden at the user account level when needed). (Hmm, I just described a common practice in Unix-like systems.) -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From daniela.pfabigan at univie.ac.at Fri Nov 21 17:26:29 2008 From: daniela.pfabigan at univie.ac.at (Daniela) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:26:29 -0800 Subject: SRBox Line Currency Artefacts Message-ID: Hello! We have the following problem in our EEG lab: Our SRBox is responsible for remarkable line currency artefacts in the ongoing EEG (for example: if the SRBox is moved unwittingly during data acquisition, high amplitude artefacts are occuring; another example: if the subject puts his/her hand on the SRBox 50Hz line currency is immediatly visible in the EEG). Does anyone have the same probems? Any solutions? Yours sincerly, Daniela Pfabigan Brain Research Lab Faculty of Psychology University of Vienna --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From yrsmile117 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 12:29:13 2008 From: yrsmile117 at gmail.com (Clara Chen) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:29:13 -0800 Subject: Order selection in the List object Message-ID: Hi all, I have a question about order selection in my list: I have 16 prime words * 8 conditions, which get 128 samples in my design list. However, in my experiment, I only want to run 16 trials from this list. That is, for each prime word, I hope the computer could randomly select one of the 8 conditions. Also, I have to make sure that these different conditions are evenly distributed to the subjects. For example, if I have 16 subjects doing this experiment, all of the 8 conditions should be run twice. My question is, if I want to do so, is it okay to set the selection (order) in the design list to be "Random"? I am not sure which setting is better so that the computer could evenly and randomly select one of the eight conditions for each prime word in my list? Does anyone have suggestions on this? Thank you! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---