From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:22:34 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:22:34 -0700 Subject: Correct and Incorrect Feedback Question In-Reply-To: <48e12e66.e701be0a.02ee.ffffc282SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I will try this out. Thank you very much!! On Sep 29, 3:37 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessica, > > >I am trying to program eprime so that the Correct Answer feedback > >display appears for 100ms and the Incorrect Answer feedback display > >appears for 500ms. However, since the Correct and Incorrect feedback > >displays are linked together, the program will not allow me to assign > >different display times to each. > > You will need some inline script and an attribute reference.  Set the > duration of your Feedback object to [FeedDur].  Now suppose you want > feedback for an object called StimText.  In script before the > Feedback object, do this: > > If StimText.ACC Then  ' correct answer >      c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", 100 > Else  ' incorrect answer >      c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", 500 > End If > > (Note:  I did not use the full "If StimText.ACC <> 0", since the "<> > 0" is understood by default.) > > We can also make this a little cleaner by removing the "magic numbers", thus, > > Const DurCorrect as Integer = 100 > Const DurIncorrect as Integer = 500 > > If StimText.ACC Then  ' correct answer >      c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", DurCorrect > Else  ' incorrect answer >      c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", DurIncorrect > End If > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From benhisattva at googlemail.com Thu Oct 2 14:14:31 2008 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:14:31 -0700 Subject: Questionnaire in E-Prime 1 In-Reply-To: <48e11bf4.8702be0a.4e22.ffffa3c9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Thank you very much! Simple, but so easy. ;) //Ben On 29 Sep., 14:18, David McFarlane wrote: > Ben, > > >I use two keyboards because the first one is just for data logging, it > >accepts 1,2,3,4 as input. The second one only accepts space and is > >used for termination. The subject may press any number for one time, > >every trial it has to decide how many answers are correct ranging from > >zero correct answers two four. Afterwards it has to press the spacebar > >to proceed. So one could press just the spacebar or 1,2,3,4 and space. > > >If I set the EndAction of the first keyboard to (none), the EndAction > >of the second keyboard to terminate and set MaxCount of the first > >keyboard to four, it terminates after the first number anyway. > > Ah, THAT'S where I made my mistake.  I thought you had two separate > physical keyboards, each plugged in to a separate USB port, etc., and > the subject pressed keys on one keyboard for the answers, then > pressed the space bar on the second keyboard to continue.  That would > have been a very odd setup.  Now I see that you meant two E-Prime > Keyboard objects as part of the Input Mask of your EP response object.  Sorry. > > Now I see some problems, and will propose a solution.  If you don't > care about my explanation, just skip down to my final solution. > > I tried this myself, set one Keyboard to Allow keys 1234, Max Count > 4, End Action (none), and set a second Keyboard to Allow {SPACE} with > End Action Terminate.  Everything worked fine as long as I did not > press more than 3 number keys (and as a side effect, my E-DataAid > file only showed the final {SPACE} as the response).  But once I > pressed a fourth key the program hung and I had to to abort. > > Here is what happens:  Once the response object gets the fourth key, > it performs its end action.  That action is "none".  So, the program > does exactly what you told it to do, you press 4 keys and after that > it continues to do absolutely nothing, and there is no way to break > out of that. > > Here is a cheap fix:  Increase the Max Count of the first keyboard to > 5.  Now its end action does not trigger until you press 5 keys, so it > is safe to press 4 keys.  Of course, if someone presses 5 keys then > it will hang again.  So increase the Max Count to 10, or whatever, > just for safety's sake. > > But I think we are making this all a bit too complicated, and E-Prime > has a better way.  So here is my final solution. > > Use just one keyboard input mask, Allow 1234{SPACE}, End Action > Terminate, Max Count 5 (or 4), and Termination Response {SPACE}.  Now > this one keyboard object will allow the subject to press up to 4 keys > plus a {SPACE}, and will terminate the object when the subject > presses the space bar or presses a fifth key (presumably, four > numbers plus a {SPACE}).  If you instead set Max Count to 4, then the > the object will terminate after the fourth key press without making > the subject press {SPACE}, and will ensure that they only enter four > keys.  Finally, *all* these responses will appear as one string in > the E-DataAid file. > > This was a nice little puzzle, and I thank you for it. > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >On 26 Sep., 10:18, David McFarlane wrote: > > > Ben, > > > > >It is part of a lager test batterie. I am validating a picture anomaly > > > >test which should measure the social cognition abilities of TLE > > > >patients and I got in total four different tests. It would be nice to > > > >presented them all with one program. > > > > Thanks, just wondered, that makes sense.  Moving on... > > > > Now I wonder why you use two separate keyboards, one for the numbers > > > and one for the space bar.  Surely a single keyboard would have both > > > numbers and a space bar, so you could do all this with one > > > keyboard.  But let's leave that aside. > > > > Next, the subject presses either two keys (a number plus {SPACE}) or > > > just one key ({SPACE}) to continue.  I assume you do this with the > > > Advanced input mask features, by setting MaxCount to 2 > > > (Disclaimer:  I have never used this feature myself, so I am > > > stretching here).  If you did not also set Termination Response to > > > {SPACE}, then the subject must *always* press two keys to continue, > > > i.e., if they press just {SPACE} then the questionaire will not > > > continue (although it would if they pressed {SPACE} twice, give > > that a try). > > > > So, you might try setting Termination Response to {SPACE}. > > > > That said, is there any reason they must press a number key plus the > > > {SPACE}?  Why not continue as soon as they press the number > > > key?  What have I missed? > > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > >On 25 Sep., 16:50, David McFarlane wrote: > > > > > Ben, > > > > > > >I would like to implement a questionnaire in E-Prime, but I > > got stuck. The > > > > > >subject has to choose zero or five answers and then proceed > > to the next > > > > > >part. The instructions say that the subject should press the > > corresponding > > > > > >numbers and then space or if none of the answers is correct > > immediately > > > > > >press space. I used a text-display and added two keyboards > > as input device > > > > > >- one for the numbers and one for the space button to terminate. My > > > > > >problem is that e-prime just stucks and does not react when > > pressing the > > > > > >spacebar. > > > > > > Just curious -- any particular reason why you want to do this > > > > > questionnaire in E-Prime instead of something simpler (like MediaLab, > > > > > or even HTML)? > > > > > > -- David McFarlane --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From M.Andreychik at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 19:36:17 2008 From: M.Andreychik at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:36:17 -0700 Subject: Contingent Feedback Study Message-ID: All, I'm new to e-prime and am attempting to design a contingent feedback study wherein participants' response on one screen determines which screen they will see next. I'm wondering if anyone has done anything like this, and, if they have, if they could pass along some tips on how to implement this effectively, or even a sample of an eprime script that does something similar. Thanks very much. Mike --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:01:02 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:01:02 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run Message-ID: I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime 1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is running Vista but the lab machines are XP. The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each slide presentation. Any ideas? thanks! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From nanderson at klaru-baycrest.on.ca Thu Oct 2 16:03:25 2008 From: nanderson at klaru-baycrest.on.ca (Nicole Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:03:25 -0700 Subject: continue trial after error Message-ID: Hello experts, I am programming an IAT (thanks to C. Bonnemayer (DMKEP Maastricht University), I didn't need to start from scratch - see prior posting re: IAT. However, the standard IAT procedure is that if an error is made, error feedback is provided, but then that trial continues until a correct response is made. The RT recorded is the time since the onset of the stimulus prior to the error. How to do this relates to other prior postings re: repeating errors, but in all of those solutions the error trials are repeated at the end of the trial list (in a new, separate trial list, in fact). If I could insert a new trial just after an error, with the same properties as the previous error trial, that would solve the problem. The RT would then be the sum of the two RTs, plus the duration of feedback. But what I gather is that E-Prime does not like the TrialList content fiddled with while it is running. Has anyone found a solution to this? Much appreciated, Nicole Anderson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 2 18:29:03 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:29:03 -0400 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each >slide presentation. > >Any ideas? I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already done: On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 2 21:47:20 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:47:20 -0400 Subject: continue trial after error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nicole, >I am programming an IAT (thanks to C. Bonnemayer (DMKEP Maastricht >University), I didn't need to start from scratch - see prior posting >re: IAT. > >However, the standard IAT procedure is that if an error is made, error >feedback is provided, but then that trial continues until a correct >response is made. The RT recorded is the time since the onset of the >stimulus prior to the error. > >How to do this relates to other prior postings re: repeating errors, >but in all of those solutions the error trials are repeated at the end >of the trial list (in a new, separate trial list, in fact). If I could >insert a new trial just after an error, with the same properties as >the previous error trial, that would solve the problem. The RT would >then be the sum of the two RTs, plus the duration of feedback. But >what I gather is that E-Prime does not like the TrialList content >fiddled with while it is running. Has anyone found a solution to this? OK, let me take a stab at this. If you can just keep repeating the same trial until the subject gets it right, then you can do this all with a goto in your trial proc. Put a label object in the trial proc up where you want the subject to start over, and when the subject makes a mistake, just goto that label. And if you want to record the mistakes as if they are extra trials, then, before the goto, add the appropriate c.SetAttrib commands and do a c.Log. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:48:04 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:48:04 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: <48e512f4.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffd796SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I hope this doesn't double-post, but I thought I'd replied and I don't see it... Yes, I should have mentioned already. I did try playing the sounding media player and it works fine. In fact, it's a windows system sound (ding.wav) that I've used before in other experiments, but not on these machines. thanks. On Oct 2, 1:29 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: > > > > > > >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime > >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only > >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is > >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have > >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my > >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get > >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), > >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the > >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find > >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each > >slide presentation. > > >Any ideas? > > I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already > done:  On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that > sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:02:29 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:29 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: <48e512f4.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffd796SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, I should have mentioned that. It plays just fine in media player. In fact, it's one of the windows system sounds (ding.wav). I've used the exact same sound file before in other programs, but not on these machines. thanks. On Oct 2, 1:29 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: > > > > > > >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime > >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only > >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is > >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have > >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my > >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get > >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), > >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the > >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find > >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each > >slide presentation. > > >Any ideas? > > I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already > done:  On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that > sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 20:34:52 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:34:52 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 Message-ID: Hi All, Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our experiment. This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the computer. Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and how to fix it? Thanks again, Jessica --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 3 20:53:48 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:53:48 -0400 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jessica, >Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This >happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of >procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, >entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not >recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our >experiment. > >This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the >computer. > >Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed >this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and >how to fix it? Thank you for reporting these problems with E-Prime 2. Just for further background, do you run this under Windows XP, or Windows Vista? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From pop.psych at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 03:26:35 2008 From: pop.psych at gmail.com (J Rudine) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:26:35 -0500 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > experiment. > > This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > computer. > > Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > how to fix it? > > I was having this problem as well (with a Windows Vista machine), although I never quite figured out what was triggering it. I contacted tech support and they had me download the most current version of E-Prime 2 (version 2.0.8.22) and install it. I haven't had a problem since. If this is the issue, and you need to install the latest version, you need to uninstall the version you are currently running before installing the most current release. I was a bit surprised that I needed to do this since E-Prime constantly "checks for updates" when I open it, otherwise, I would have checked for this possibility before contacting tech support. Also, if you have both E-Prime 1.2 and 2 on the same machine, uninstalling E-Prime 2 and reinstalling the newest release, with E-Prime 1.2 already on the machine causes problems (I was getting an error saying that "E-Prime requires an administrator to open E-Studio", even though my Windows account was an adminitrator - it was on my laptop). To solve this issue of needing an administrator, I was told to "right-click on E-Studio 1.2 and select 'Run as Administrator'. Then follow the prompts to allow E-Studio administrative access". Hopefully something in all of that will be useful. J --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:02:47 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:02:47 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: <48E6E26B.6010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. We will try it out. On Oct 3, 11:26 pm, J Rudine wrote: > > Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > > happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > > procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > > entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > > recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > > experiment. > > > This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > > computer. > > > Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > > this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > > how to fix it? > > I was having this problem as well (with a Windows Vista machine), > although I never quite figured out what was triggering it. I contacted > tech support and they had me download the most current version of > E-Prime 2 (version 2.0.8.22) and install it. I haven't had a problem > since. If this is the issue, and you need to install the latest version, > you need to uninstall the version you are currently running before > installing the most current release. I was a bit surprised that I needed > to do this since E-Prime constantly "checks for updates" when I open it, > otherwise, I would have checked for this possibility before contacting > tech support. > > Also, if you have both E-Prime 1.2 and 2 on the same machine, > uninstalling E-Prime 2 and reinstalling the newest release, with E-Prime > 1.2 already on the machine causes problems (I was getting an error > saying that "E-Prime requires an administrator to open E-Studio", even > though my Windows account was an adminitrator - it was on my laptop). To > solve this issue of needing an administrator, I was told to "right-click > on E-Studio 1.2 and select 'Run as Administrator'. Then follow the > prompts to allow E-Studio administrative access". > > Hopefully something in all of that will be useful. > > J --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:03:59 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:03:59 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: <48e68663.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffc54fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your response. We are using Windows XP. Any suggestions would be appreciated! On Oct 3, 4:53 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessica, > > >Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > >happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > >procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > >entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > >recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > >experiment. > > >This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > >computer. > > >Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > >this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > >how to fix it? > > Thank you for reporting these problems with E-Prime 2. Just for > further background, do you run this under Windows XP, or Windows Vista? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lennertz.t at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 21:42:31 2008 From: lennertz.t at gmail.com (Tracy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:42:31 -0700 Subject: feedback contingent on response time Message-ID: Hi E-Prime users, I'm trying to set an experiment, that provides different feedback depending on a participant's accuracy (> or < 80%) and RT (> or < 1500 ms) at the end of each block. Thus, participants will receive one of four feedback messages at the end of a block of trials. I have the ACC feedback working fine, but am having trouble implementing the RT feedback, and I can't seem to figure out why. Regardless of a participant's RT, they receive the message that their responses are fast. I've included my necessary script components below. I have an InitiateVariable InLine Text, at the beginning of the session that states: 'This initiates the Summation object, OverallRT, so that it 'may be referenced within the experiment. Set OverallRT = New Summation At the end of each trial, I have a Summation InLine text that states: 'The AddObservation command adds the RT value of object 'Stimulus5 to the Summation object, OverallRT. OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT 'The Debug.Print command prints the mean value of the Summation 'object, OverallRT, in the Output window. Debug.Print OverallRT.Mean 'The OverallRT attribute adds the running calculation of overall 'accuracy to the data file at the trial level. c.SetAttrib "OverallRT", OverallRT.Mean At the end of each block, I have an InLine text object, that states: If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") < 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") > 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are fast." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") < 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are fast. Please try harder." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") > 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are slow. Please try harder." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") > 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") > 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are slow. Good Job and please respond quickly." End If Lastly, in the User Tab of the script, I have declared the variable: 'This script declares OverallRT as a global Summation object. 'This enables OverallRT to collect a number of data entries 'to later display the user's average RT. Dim OverallRT as Summation Is there a necessary component to this script that I might be missing? I'm not sure why the ACC feedback is working (set up as "OverallACC" in the same manner as described above), but not the RT feedback. Thank you very much for your help and time! Best regards, Tracy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 15:45:45 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:45:45 -0400 Subject: feedback contingent on response time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tracy, Thank you for including all the necessary script excerpts, I like that a lot better than having to wade through a complete attached program. Well, I have a lot to say about this, mostly about programming style, since in fact I do not see why your script does not work. But I will propose a solution in the end. First, since the OverallRT appears in your E-DataAid file, I assume that you have verified that it does indeed go above 1500 ms in your debugging runs. Otherwise I would be concerned lest your progam simply does not allow responses past 1500 ms. Also, note that without a response you will get a RT of 0, and this will bring the average down, so you might want to make sure to take care of that (unless you just left that out of your excerpts), something like If Stimuls5.RT > 0 Then ' got a response OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT Else ' no response OverallRT.AddObservation End If Second, look closely at your If... Then... ElseIf cascade, and see what happens if OverallRT exactly equals 1500, or OverallACC exactly equals 80. Your If ... Then does not cover those cases, and in that case your script does nothing. Did you mean to do that? If not, then somewhere in there you should have some "<=" or ">=" instead of "<" or ">". Also, good practice dictates that you have a final Else clause even if your program should never get there (I call this a "sanity check"), we call practices like this "defensive programming" (look that up on Wikipedia). Third, if it were me, instead of modifying object text directly, as in BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & ... I would use an attribute reference, as in c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", "Your average accuracy is " & ... At the very least, an attribute reference in the object alerts the programmer that this value will be modified at run time, otherwise the programmer has no clue that text will be modified in script. But this may come down to a matter of personal programming style. Fourth, I note that your message always starts with "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are " I would take advantage of that in clarifying the script with a rewrite. Fifth, I would say that, unless this is meant just as an instructional program, your program is over commented. Things like the .AddObservation method and Debug.Print should be general background knowledge for anyone using E-Prime, and do not need to be explained in program comments, that just makes the program harder to read. Comments should be reserved to answer *specific* questions that may occur to others reading the script. So much for my unsolicited $.02. Now, if it were me, I might use an attribute reference for the text in BlockACC (e.g., [BlockACC]), and completely rewrite your If... Then script. Let's assume that RT = 1500 is still fast, and ACC = 80 is still good, then the script might come out like this: Dim blockACC as String ' just for convenience ' Message always starts the same: blockACC = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") _ & " % and your responses are " If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") <= 1500 Then ' fast RT blockACC = blockACC & "fast." ' all done if good ACC If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC blockACC = blockAcc & " Please try harder." End If Else ' slow RT blockACC = blockACC & "slow." If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC blockACC = " Please try harder." Else ' good ACC blockACC = blockACC & " Good Job and please respond quickly." End If End If c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", blockACC No doubt with a little thought you can improve even further on this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lennertz.t at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:09:10 2008 From: lennertz.t at gmail.com (Tracy Lennertz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:09:10 -0400 Subject: feedback contingent on response time In-Reply-To: <48eb8432.5605be0a.28ee.fffff6eaSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:45 AM, David McFarlane wrote: > > Tracy, > > Thank you for including all the necessary script excerpts, I like > that a lot better than having to wade through a complete attached > program. > > Well, I have a lot to say about this, mostly about programming style, > since in fact I do not see why your script does not work. But I will > propose a solution in the end. > > > First, since the OverallRT appears in your E-DataAid file, I assume > that you have verified that it does indeed go above 1500 ms in your > debugging runs. Otherwise I would be concerned lest your progam > simply does not allow responses past 1500 ms. Also, note that > without a response you will get a RT of 0, and this will bring the > average down, so you might want to make sure to take care of that > (unless you just left that out of your excerpts), something like > > If Stimuls5.RT > 0 Then ' got a response > OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT > Else ' no response > OverallRT.AddObservation > End If > > > Second, look closely at your If... Then... ElseIf cascade, and see > what happens if OverallRT exactly equals 1500, or OverallACC exactly > equals 80. Your If ... Then does not cover those cases, and in that > case your script does nothing. Did you mean to do that? If not, > then somewhere in there you should have some "<=" or ">=" instead of > "<" or ">". Also, good practice dictates that you have a final Else > clause even if your program should never get there (I call this a > "sanity check"), we call practices like this "defensive programming" > (look that up on Wikipedia). > > > Third, if it were me, instead of modifying object text directly, as in > > BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & ... > > I would use an attribute reference, as in > > c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", "Your average accuracy is " & ... > > At the very least, an attribute reference in the object alerts the > programmer that this value will be modified at run time, otherwise > the programmer has no clue that text will be modified in script. But > this may come down to a matter of personal programming style. > > > Fourth, I note that your message always starts with > "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and > your responses are " > I would take advantage of that in clarifying the script with a > rewrite. > > > Fifth, I would say that, unless this is meant just as an > instructional program, your program is over commented. Things like > the .AddObservation method and Debug.Print should be general > background knowledge for anyone using E-Prime, and do not need to be > explained in program comments, that just makes the program harder to > read. Comments should be reserved to answer *specific* questions > that may occur to others reading the script. > > > So much for my unsolicited $.02. Now, if it were me, I might use an > attribute reference for the text in BlockACC (e.g., [BlockACC]), and > completely rewrite your If... Then script. Let's assume that RT = > 1500 is still fast, and ACC = 80 is still good, then the script might > come out like this: > > Dim blockACC as String ' just for convenience > > ' Message always starts the same: > blockACC = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") _ > & " % and your responses are " > If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") <= 1500 Then ' fast RT > blockACC = blockACC & "fast." ' all done if good ACC > If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC > blockACC = blockAcc & " Please try harder." > End If > Else ' slow RT > blockACC = blockACC & "slow." > If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC > blockACC = " Please try harder." > Else ' good ACC > blockACC = blockACC & " Good Job and please respond quickly." > End If > End If > c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", blockACC > > > No doubt with a little thought you can improve even further on this. > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > ----------------------------------- Tracy Lennertz Department of Psychology Northeastern University 125 Nightingale Hall 360 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4141 lennertz.t at neu.edu --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Does response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can still record even without any response (in stop trial)? thank you!! shu fang --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From sfcheng0825 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 06:45:35 2008 From: sfcheng0825 at gmail.com (shu fang) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:45:35 -0700 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm Message-ID: Hello, I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can still record even without any response (in stop trial)? thank you!! shu fang --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 16:39:24 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:39:24 -0400 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shu Fang, >I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything >is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the >feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. >The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does >response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has >to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can >still record even without any response (in stop trial)? You have to set the input mask of your SRBox separately from the input mask of the keyboard. Go to the Duration/Input tab of your response object, click on the SRBox device, and then edit the Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action as appropriate for your SRBox input. To repeat: Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action do not just carry over when you add more input devices to a response object, you have to set these individually for each input device. This is a feature, as it allows each input device to have different parameters as appropriate. Hope this helps, -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From f.adani at campus.unimib.it Tue Oct 7 19:03:37 2008 From: f.adani at campus.unimib.it (f.adani) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:03:37 -0700 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid Message-ID: Hi all, I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL and viceversa. I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the two existing variables. I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... so far I have only created variable3 :-( thanks a lot! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 19:14:43 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:14:43 -0400 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can >merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I >already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 >and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL >and viceversa. >I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the >two existing variables. >I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... >so far I have only created variable3 :-( If you work through the E-DataAid tutorial in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime, you might find that Tools > Analyze will do what you need, but I would not guarantee that. Beyond that, I do not think that E-DataAid can do the computations you ask for to create a new variable. You might have to export to Excel or SPSS or whatever to do that. Hope someone else here has a better answer, -- David McFarlane, Professionial Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From f.adani at campus.unimib.it Tue Oct 7 23:55:04 2008 From: f.adani at campus.unimib.it (f.adani) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:55:04 -0700 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid In-Reply-To: <48ebb524.e701be0a.3e9d.799cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: thank you. i have already went through the tutorial but it doesn't mention it. so I guess i'll use SPSS. On Oct 7, 9:14 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > >I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can > >merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I > >already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 > >and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL > >and viceversa. > >I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the > >two existing variables. > >I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... > >so far I have only created variable3 :-( > > If you work through the E-DataAid tutorial in the User's Guide that > came with E-Prime, you might find that Tools > Analyze will do what > you need, but I would not guarantee that.  Beyond that, I do not > think that E-DataAid can do the computations you ask for to create a > new variable.  You might have to export to Excel or SPSS or whatever > to do that. > > Hope someone else here has a better answer, > -- David McFarlane, Professionial Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From sfcheng0825 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 01:22:52 2008 From: sfcheng0825 at gmail.com (shu fang cheng) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:22:52 +0800 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: <48eb90bd.8702be0a.0e91.39aeSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: HI, David Thank you for your suggestion. But I already checked the device and response object in duration/Input tab. In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? thank you shu fang 2008/10/8 David McFarlane > > Shu Fang, > > >I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything > >is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the > >feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. > >The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does > >response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has > >to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can > >still record even without any response (in stop trial)? > > You have to set the input mask of your SRBox separately from the > input mask of the keyboard. Go to the Duration/Input tab of your > response object, click on the SRBox device, and then edit the > Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action as appropriate for > your SRBox input. > > To repeat: Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action do not > just carry over when you add more input devices to a response object, > you have to set these individually for each input device. This is a > feature, as it allows each input device to have different parameters > as appropriate. > > Hope this helps, > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Well, I am sorry if I jumped to a conclusion about the source of your problem, thank you for checking that. > In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can > only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' > feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response > box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? Sorry, no, so you have me stumped. Perhaps someone else here has seen this and can help. -- David McFarlane --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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But I already checked the device and > > response object in duration/Input tab. > > Well, I am sorry if I jumped to a conclusion about the source of your > problem, thank you for checking that. > > > In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can > > only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' > > feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response > > box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? > > Sorry, no, so you have me stumped. Perhaps someone else here has seen > this and can help. > > -- David McFarlane > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Thanks, Mary --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From ascott0704 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 21:46:19 2008 From: ascott0704 at yahoo.com (Speechy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:46:19 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses Message-ID: Hi, Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real time? This would serve as a backup method in case the responses/RT aren't recorded for some reason in E-prime. Thanks --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From eelliott at lsu.edu Tue Oct 14 20:59:21 2008 From: eelliott at lsu.edu (Emily M Elliott) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:59:21 -0700 Subject: scoring word recall Message-ID: Hi, I'm working on a serial recall experiment with words. How do I get E- prime to ignore the other characters, like {space} that appear in the participant's recall? As it stands now, the display echo records every key stroke, thus making all responses incorrect because participants include things like the space bar in their respones. Also, does anyone know how to do serial position scoring on words? All I have right now is an overall correct/incorrect response, and I'd like something more sensitive than that. Thanks, Emily --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Wed Oct 15 14:44:17 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:44:17 -0400 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <29135fc2-4f40-4dd7-9fad-eb19399c6780@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Speechy wrote: > Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > time? Oh, for the record, E-Prime 1.x could also do something this, coupled with a system called IFIS. To be fair, that required two computers connected by ethernet, or (in an earlier version) one computer running some specialized server software. E-Prime handed the data off to the server, which then presented it to a separate client program for presentation to the experimenter on a second screen. So in principle, yes, with sufficient engineering, E-Prime, coupled with external software, can do what you ask. But I still wonder if it is worth the effort. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 15:08:39 2008 From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:08:39 +0100 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <48F601C1.9010107@msu.edu> Message-ID: > Speechy wrote: >> Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs >> while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside >> them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? >> For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task >> on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her >> responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real >> time? It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and therefore a trial must be repeated later. The subject had the button box and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! david --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Wed Oct 15 14:11:35 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:11:35 -0400 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <29135fc2-4f40-4dd7-9fad-eb19399c6780@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Speechy wrote: > Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > time? This would serve as a backup method in case the responses/RT > aren't recorded for some reason in E-prime. In ten years of using E-Prime, I cannot think of any instance where E-Prime failed in such a way that we would have had need of such a backup, but I would be interested to hear from others. FWIW, E-Prime does record everything to a text file on the disk on the fly, so even if it crashes mid-experiment you may recover the data up to that point using the E-Recovery program. As for your question, I believe you could do such a thing with E-Prime 2 Professional and sufficient programming in script. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Mike --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dave.hairston at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 15:04:37 2008 From: dave.hairston at gmail.com (Dr. Dave Hairston) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:04:37 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <1358.81.157.144.239.1224083319.squirrel@www.webmail.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: The method that David describes is exactly what I have been doin gfor years with very good success. Simply, what you need is a video card with two outtputs ("Dual-head"). Almost any card will do this nowadays; I'm partial to nVidia myself. But anyhow, from that card, run 1 of the two lines itno a video splitter box, so that you have 1 line in, 2 lines out... now you have 3 monitors, and 2 of them show the same thing. CAUTION - get a good splitter with it's own power supply, the cheap stuff gives terrible images. Now place 1 of the "cloned" onitors in teh room with your subject, and the other two outside in your "control room" or whatever. E-Prime will automatically run the paradigm on the monitor that is designated as "primary" in Windows... so set your cloned monitor to this one, and move your E-Editor window to teh other one (I call this the "experimenter's window" b/c teh usbject now cannot see it!). Now you can see the Debugger window WHILE YOUR SCIPT IS RUNNING and your subject cannot... cool... Just use very simple code after the response recording object to report back the .RT or .ACC status after each trial; for example the line: debug.print Response. Acc & " " Response. RT will print out "1 345" or similar after each response. >>Why would you want to do this??? Well, sometimes you need to know how your subjects are doing on-line; perhaps they are in training and you wish to ensure they know what they are doing. In my case, I'm having usbjects do an adaptive staircase procedure... and as we all know, staircases are notoriously flaky... and if people get off track, it throwsteh whole procedure out of whack. So, I watch their progress trial-by-trial to be sure they're progressing as expected. Hope that helps!! Dave P.s. - in theory, I believe EP 2.0 is supposed to support multiple monitors. If this is the case, one could have it report status directly to teh 1nd monitor which only teh experimenter can see, and avoid the whole debugger window bit..... On Oct 15, 11:08 am, "David Vinson" wrote: > > Speechy wrote: > >> Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > >> while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > >> them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > >> For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > >> on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > >> responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > >> time? > > It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug > window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display > relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), > e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. > > I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring > of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, > e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and > therefore a trial must be repeated later.  The subject had the button box > and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" > during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. > > I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! > > david --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From MSpape at FSW.leidenuniv.nl Fri Oct 17 06:29:19 2008 From: MSpape at FSW.leidenuniv.nl (Spape, Michiel) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:29:19 +0200 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses Message-ID: A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. I have used the same setup for my own experiments in which online monitoring was essential, but of course, I much prefer evading that tedious process whenever possible! Hope that helps. Best, Michiel M. Spape Cog.Psy. Unit LIBC & LUIPR Leiden Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Dave Hairston Sent: donderdag 16 oktober 2008 17:55 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Recording Real Time Responses The method that David describes is exactly what I have been doin gfor years with very good success. Simply, what you need is a video card with two outtputs ("Dual-head"). Almost any card will do this nowadays; I'm partial to nVidia myself. But anyhow, from that card, run 1 of the two lines itno a video splitter box, so that you have 1 line in, 2 lines out... now you have 3 monitors, and 2 of them show the same thing. CAUTION - get a good splitter with it's own power supply, the cheap stuff gives terrible images. Now place 1 of the "cloned" onitors in teh room with your subject, and the other two outside in your "control room" or whatever. E-Prime will automatically run the paradigm on the monitor that is designated as "primary" in Windows... so set your cloned monitor to this one, and move your E-Editor window to teh other one (I call this the "experimenter's window" b/c teh usbject now cannot see it!). Now you can see the Debugger window WHILE YOUR SCIPT IS RUNNING and your subject cannot... cool... Just use very simple code after the response recording object to report back the .RT or .ACC status after each trial; for example the line: debug.print Response. Acc & " " Response. RT will print out "1 345" or similar after each response. >>Why would you want to do this??? Well, sometimes you need to know how your subjects are doing on-line; perhaps they are in training and you wish to ensure they know what they are doing. In my case, I'm having usbjects do an adaptive staircase procedure... and as we all know, staircases are notoriously flaky... and if people get off track, it throwsteh whole procedure out of whack. So, I watch their progress trial-by-trial to be sure they're progressing as expected. Hope that helps!! Dave P.s. - in theory, I believe EP 2.0 is supposed to support multiple monitors. If this is the case, one could have it report status directly to teh 1nd monitor which only teh experimenter can see, and avoid the whole debugger window bit..... On Oct 15, 11:08 am, "David Vinson" wrote: > > Speechy wrote: > >> Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > >> while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > >> them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > >> For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > >> on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > >> responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > >> time? > > It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug > window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display > relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), > e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. > > I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring > of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, > e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and > therefore a trial must be repeated later. The subject had the button box > and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" > during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. > > I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! > > david ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 17 14:05:34 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:05:34 -0400 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <004801c93021$b0541216$0c48e584@fsw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: At 10/17/2008 02:29 AM Friday, Michiel M. Spape wrote: >A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but >somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of >experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed >feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors >have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen >manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - >hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. That would do the trick. And if you really wanted to go crude and old school, you could use two monitors as above, and without any adjustment just tape or cover up the bottom of the subject's screen so they cannot see it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dave.hairston at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 19:34:34 2008 From: dave.hairston at gmail.com (Dr. Dave Hairston) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:34:34 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <48f89bb4.25bd720a.067e.0009SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A final note on splitting monitors - when you get the device to do so, be sure that it supports the total badnwidth of the signal that you are sending. Often we (at least I!) are running at fairly fast refresh rates (hopefully < 10 ms, if you have the right equipment you can hit 5 ms) and screen resolutions for having good tight experimental control. Some splitting boxes (the cheap ones) officially only support slow (e.g., <100 Hz) refresh rates and/or low resolutions. What will happen is that if you exceedteh capacity of the box, the two monitors may either (a) not actually stay in sync with either other, so the timing of what you (the experimenter sees) and your subject may not be true, and (more importantly) you don't really know if the time reported by E-Prime is accurate... or (b) the image will be terrible or simply shut off. I like the cheap and elegant tape-over-the-response solution... but why would you want to do that for only 10 cents and 10 seconds of work, when instead you could waste 3 days and thousands of valuable research dollars with the more complicated route?? ;-) On Oct 17, 10:05 am, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/17/2008 02:29 AM Friday, Michiel M. Spape wrote: > > >A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but > >somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of > >experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed > >feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors > >have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen > >manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - > >hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. > > That would do the trick.  And if you really wanted to go crude and > old school, you could use two monitors as above, and without any > adjustment just tape or cover up the bottom of the subject's screen > so they cannot see it. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lunakick at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 18:54:09 2008 From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:54:09 -0700 Subject: repeat one of the sample of items In-Reply-To: <48d7d91d.5605be0a.1a22.0d36SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, I did think about how to have e-prime do this, and the only thing I could come up with was having a specific key, not the likert scale response set, bring up a response box where the participant could type in the correct answer. So, the old incorrect response would be logged as well as the new correct one. However, I do like the HTML way better because one could have all 15 items on the same screen. The person can go back and change any of the radio-buttons and then press submit. I like it. It means I have to close eprime in the middle because I have videos on eprime, then questionnaire, then some pictures of faces back on eprime. It could work. Thanks to you and everyone who responded! -Luna On Sep 22, 6:42 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Luna, > > Sorry I keep coming back to this, but you pose a fascinating little puzzle. > > As yet another alternative, if you just want to do Likert scales and > do not care too much about the timing, you could do this with a bit > of HTML, JavaScript, and maybe some ActiveX in Internet Explorer or > another suitable web browser.  With HTML links you can easily make > each trial go whereever you like.  We have done things like this > ourselves to good effect, and it does not cost anything. > > Just another thought, > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Because the interval between two adjacent target words varies, I used an inline object to ask eprime to calculate the interval of the two words before marking. Could any expert do me a favor to check whether my tags are doing the right job? What might be the reason for the huge delays I am getting? How to reduce that delay? One thing that puzzles me is: when I check the edat file, the delay is quite neglectible, only the delay on my netstation IV test is very large. Thanks a lot in advance! Yan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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When the joystick is pulled, the image size should increase. However, I have no idea how to do this with a joystick. I am using E- prime version 2.0. Standard. So far, the experiment is working if keyboard-buttons are used instead of joystick movements. For each picture, there are seven different versions of different sizes. Each trial thus consists of 7 images, and depending on which response is given, the experiment jumps to a bigger or smaller version of the starting image. So my questions are: how can I collect joystick-movement-data and how I can subsequently use this information to present the next picture. Thank you, Helen Tibboel --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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This should take care of the majority of both issues. If there is a residual offset of a few milliseconds, it should be fixed and so can easily be accounted for. How to do all of this is covered in the EPrime Biological documentation that you should have received through EGI. Second, have you used the DIN (Parallel Port) lines at the same time as the serial information to ensure that your correct timing in the .edat files is corroborated by correct timing in the instantaneous event coding? If not, you should do this as well. Finally, unrelated to your question but perhaps saving a lot of time down the line, there are many keys/levels of serial event coding available in EPrime Biological. I haven't used the newest versions of NetStation and EPrime Bio, but in my experience, segmentation and post-processing is MUCH easier if you skip most of these levels and code all of your events using unique "tags". There are a nearly infinite number of alphanumeric 4-key combinations and accessing these in the exported files (e.g., in MatLab), and even within the EGI software, is much more straightforward than the various cells/keys/levels. Hope something in this helps, Max On 10/22/08, Yan Yu wrote: > Dear eprimers, > > I am delivering stimulus via eprime and collecting ERP data via > NetStation. However, for some reason, when I do my AV test, the delay > is very large. > I am wondering if I did anything wrong. Here attached is my > experiment, Basically, I have 8 type of sentence lists, each list is a > paragraph of a story. In each sentence, I need to tag the onsets of > several particular words.I used a seperate marker list to send tags to > netstation. My inter-sentence interval is 500ms as defined by "wait3". > Because the interval between two adjacent target words varies, I used > an inline object to ask eprime to calculate the interval of the two > words before marking. Could any expert do me a favor to check > whether my tags are doing the right job? What might be the reason for > the huge delays I am getting? How to reduce that delay? One thing that > puzzles me is: when I check the edat file, the delay is quite > neglectible, only the delay on my netstation IV test is very large. > > Thanks a lot in advance! > > Yan > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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URL: From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 11:41:13 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (RickOG) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:41:13 -0700 Subject: E-Prime on bootcamp Message-ID: Hi, I have had a look at the archives and can't see this issue addressed, so I'd be grateful for any assistance. I have an early 2008 Macbook Pro, with a bootcamp setup (WinXP SP3). I have successfully installed/validated E-Prime running on the Mac OS X using a virtualisation program (Virtualbox). However, I have been unable to validate E-Prime on my bootcamp setup. I installed recent Aladdin HASP key driver, and so the dongle light glows when inserted, and Windows acknowledged it when I next put it in. However, I cannot get E-Prime to validate with it. We have the single-user validation system (green dongle?) rather than a network key. I know that many people have E-Prime running on bootcamp setups, so I am sure there's a way to get it to work but I can't figure out what's wrong. Extra info: I didn't initially have the latest driver for the HASP key, and installed that after E-Prime. I did uninstall E-Prime and reinstall, but I also noticed that E-Prime does not fully clean out the registry. I am wondering whether my initial failure to validate, perhaps because I did not have a driver/recent driver, somehow got something set in the registry that won't update? I tried getting help from PST on this, but they simply say that they don't support E-Prime on Macs, which is the height of a cop-out. The CS rep said that they don't support non-native Windows, even after I explained that it's running on an Intel chip, no different to a Dell or HP!!! Eventually, she told me she'd pass my comments on to the developers. I'd welcome any suggestions, particularly if you have had success with a similar setup (ie, on a MBP with a single user validation dongle). Cheers, Rick --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From tony.andrews at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 13:45:59 2008 From: tony.andrews at gmail.com (Andrews, A.S.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:45:59 -0700 Subject: Using E-Prime V2 across Ethernet? Message-ID: **apologies if this double-posts due to a confusion over email addresses. Hi Does anyone have experience of using Ethernet to allow several PCs to communicate in E-Prime? I've done it before using serial. There were 7 PCs with the output of one serial port connected to the input of the next in a ring: Up to 6 subject stations plus a 7th 'server' to collate the data passed around like a token between the others. What I now need to do is have five 'pairs' communicate, with a server PC configuring each client at the start of each run. It will decide which of the 10 PCs will work in pairs for that run and collect results at the end. I could probably do this with a longer serial lead and some lateral thinking, but I think Ethernet is probably the way to go. What little I've found on the forum suggests that the Socket device works in the same way as the serial device but only as a client, so that doesn't help much. Thanks in advance, Tony Andrews Principal Computer Officer School of Psychology University of Leicester. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:10:01 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:10:01 +0000 Subject: E-Prime on bootcamp In-Reply-To: <472bedd1-69f9-4c3b-b5ca-30678d73be0f@d31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions (if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): 1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box open below the structure box by default! 2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 17:33:07 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backuups (was: Re: E-Prime on bootcamp) In-Reply-To: <49074769.1030503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions >(if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): Questions (and answers) allowed & encouraged on this list. Do please change the subject line if you ask a new question instead of contribute to an existing one. >1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up >when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This >is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box >open below the structure box by default! I take it you are working in E-Prime 2. These pop-ups go away if you leave the mouse alone for about 4 seconds. Still an annoyance, but they will go away. I too would like to know if you find an answer, as I have not found a use for this feature yet. But perhaps if I gave it a try I might find it useful. >2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? >I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost >for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please search the archives. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:45:34 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:34 +0000 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backups In-Reply-To: <49074cd4.e701be0a.5112.ffff837dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions >> (if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): > > Questions (and answers) allowed & encouraged on this list. Do please > change the subject line if you ask a new question instead of > contribute to an existing one. Thanks for your reply Dave. Yes, I realised right after I pressed send that I forgot to change the subject line. >> 1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up >> when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This >> is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box >> open below the structure box by default! > > I take it you are working in E-Prime 2. These pop-ups go away if you Yes, using E-Prime. > leave the mouse alone for about 4 seconds. Still an annoyance, but Yes, I know they go away eventually, but when I am using the mouse to move around the items in the structure window, waiting 4 seconds before I can see again is an eternity! > they will go away. I too would like to know if you find an answer, > as I have not found a use for this feature yet. But perhaps if I > gave it a try I might find it useful. Perhaps, but I am currently at a loss. :) >> 2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? >> I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost >> for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) > > Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most > recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup > experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has > been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please > search the archives. I don't think this is what I'm looking for (I had spotted it). It seems, as I understand the feature, to backup saved copies. However, I'm looking for E-Prime to do auto-saves (perhaps a better label than what I initially used). The way Word or Excel (or many other programs) will automatically save the file every so often. I can always try to get back into the habit of saving every few minutes (as I used to have to do with older versions of Word--after a hard-earned lesson or two), or whenever I do a time-consuming task, but I just thought there are standard features of any programming environment and this is one. Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 17:59:36 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backups In-Reply-To: <49074FBE.6070106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, > > Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most > > recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup > > experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has > > been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please > > search the archives. > >I don't think this is what I'm looking for (I had spotted it). It seems, >as I understand the feature, to backup saved copies. However, I'm >looking for E-Prime to do auto-saves (perhaps a better label than what I >initially used). The way Word or Excel (or many other programs) will >automatically save the file every so often. I can always try to get back >into the habit of saving every few minutes (as I used to have to do with >older versions of Word--after a hard-earned lesson or two), or whenever >I do a time-consuming task, but I just thought there are standard >features of any programming environment and this is one. Sorry, yes, I misunderstood your original question. Personally, I have never relied on the auto backup feature of any system, so I tend to forget about them. My mantra is "save early and often". F S is just burned into my fingers, I do it every few seconds whether I need it or not, even when I have not made any change. I do it after almost every edit. I only resist when I already have a working program and I am making changes that may break it, in that case I like to test run before I save. Even in that case, I usually work from a new copy so I can do my usual F S dance again as I make provisional changes. Just my $0.02 on personal programming habits. Regards, -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From cate.hartley at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 18:07:00 2008 From: cate.hartley at gmail.com (Cate) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:07:00 -0700 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac Message-ID: I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse transmitted via a Biopac MP system. I am using the Biopac STP100C Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a parallel port. In the product specifications, it specifies the pins over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 connector) Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines 8-15 Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines 4-7 Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value 120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of the EPrime input pins. Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of x. Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this hardware setup, would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, -Cate --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 19:08:29 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:08:29 -0400 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cate, >I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse >transmitted via a Biopac MP system. I am using the Biopac STP100C >Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a >parallel port. In the product specifications, it specifies the pins >over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. > >Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 >connector) >Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines >8-15 >Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines >4-7 > >Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value >120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of >the EPrime input pins. Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no >recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of >x. > >Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this >hardware setup, would be appreciated. > >Thanks in advance, I have never used a BioPac, but here are a few general thoughts on the use of a parallel port for I/O in EP. First, make sure your parallel port really appears at base address &H378. A few computers put the port at a different base address, like &H278. You might find the lpt port base address using the Windows Device Manager. Second, make sure that the parallel port is configured for the proper mode and direction. The BIOS in some computers allows you to configure the parallel port as an old, standard ("legacy") parallel port, as well as newer bidirectional modes (ECP & EPP?). If you use a bidirectional mode then you must also set the data direction using script. I ran a search at the PST Forum using the term "parallel port" and found the following post which may give you some ideas: http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1164-8-1.aspx -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From cate.hartley at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 22:50:33 2008 From: cate.hartley at gmail.com (Cate) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:50:33 -0700 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: <4907632e.20ed720a.0ebc.ffffefa2SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Thanks so much for the feedback! My parallel port is really at &H378 (888 in decimal). I have now gotten Writeport (888,x) to work but I am still unable to read from port 889 (I get a value of 120 regardless of the TTL input I'm sending). This leads me to believe that I either need to include some code to enable using the port for input, or that my port is not correctly configured in the BIOS for input. I checked the BIOS and it is currently set to ECP mode. Other options available for selection are EPP and PS/2. Would you recommend using a different mode? Any advice would be welcome! Thanks, Cate On Oct 28, 3:08 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Cate, > > > > >I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse > >transmitted via a Biopac MP system.  I am using the Biopac STP100C > >Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a > >parallel port.  In the product specifications, it specifies the pins > >over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. > > >Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 > >connector) > >Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines > >8-15 > >Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines > >4-7 > > >Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value > >120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of > >the EPrime input pins.  Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no > >recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of > >x. > > >Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this > >hardware setup, would be appreciated. > > >Thanks in advance, > > I have never used a BioPac, but here are a few general thoughts on > the use of a parallel port for I/O in EP. > > First, make sure your parallel port really appears at base address > &H378.  A few computers put the port at a different base address, > like &H278.  You might find the lpt port base address using the > Windows Device Manager. > > Second, make sure that the parallel port is configured for the proper > mode and direction.  The BIOS in some computers allows you to > configure the parallel port as an old, standard ("legacy") parallel > port, as well as newer bidirectional modes (ECP & EPP?).  If you use > a bidirectional mode then you must also set the data direction using script. > > I ran a search at the PST Forum using the term "parallel port" and > found the following post which may give you some ideas: > > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1164-8-1.aspx > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 30 18:44:05 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:44:05 -0400 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/29/2008 06:50 PM Wednesday, Cate wrote: >I have now gotten Writeport (888,x) to work but I am still unable to >read from port 889 (I get a value of 120 regardless of the TTL input >I'm sending). This leads me to believe that I either need to >include some code to enable using the port for input, or that my >port is not correctly configured in the BIOS for input. I checked >the BIOS and it is currently set to ECP mode. Other options >available for selection are EPP and PS/2. Would you recommend using >a different mode? Would not hurt. ECP and EPP are newer "bidirectional" parallel port modes, PS/2 is the original, standard, "legacy" parallel port mode. I would try the PS/2 mode first. After that fails I would try the EPP mode for good measure. After that fails I would follow the link I sent earlier and try following those instructions. Don't know what I would do after that fails. Before all that I would put a volt meter or oscilloscope on the parallel port inputs to make sure they are what I think they are. I might also disconnect the BioPac and use another known signal source. I might also look at the output from the BioPac to make sure that that is what I think it is. Finally, I might find some other more primitive software to inspect the state of the parallel port. I used to do this with the "i" command from the old DOS "debug" utility, I don't know if that still works with modern Windows. Short of that I would write a primitive E-Prime script to just continually display the state of the parallel port (and maybe a few neighboring ports for good measure), just to make my debugging a little easier. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From derick-deweber at ouhsc.edu Fri Oct 31 15:17:53 2008 From: derick-deweber at ouhsc.edu (ddeweber) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:17:53 -0700 Subject: Communicating via Ethernet cable Message-ID: I am attempting to interface E-Prime with a Nicolet EEG system. It is apparently the case that this particular Nicolet system is only able to receive outside information via an ethernet cable. My question then is can E-prime communicate via ethernet cable to an outside source to initiate recording? My goal is to coordinate stimulus presentation in E-prime with EEG recording so that we may time stamp observed responses with experimental stimuli. Thanks, Derick Deweber --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:22:34 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:22:34 -0700 Subject: Correct and Incorrect Feedback Question In-Reply-To: <48e12e66.e701be0a.02ee.ffffc282SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I will try this out. Thank you very much!! On Sep 29, 3:37?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessica, > > >I am trying to program eprime so that the Correct Answer feedback > >display appears for 100ms and the Incorrect Answer feedback display > >appears for 500ms. However, since the Correct and Incorrect feedback > >displays are linked together, the program will not allow me to assign > >different display times to each. > > You will need some inline script and an attribute reference. ?Set the > duration of your Feedback object to [FeedDur]. ?Now suppose you want > feedback for an object called StimText. ?In script before the > Feedback object, do this: > > If StimText.ACC Then ?' correct answer > ? ? ?c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", 100 > Else ?' incorrect answer > ? ? ?c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", 500 > End If > > (Note: ?I did not use the full "If StimText.ACC <> 0", since the "<> > 0" is understood by default.) > > We can also make this a little cleaner by removing the "magic numbers", thus, > > Const DurCorrect as Integer = 100 > Const DurIncorrect as Integer = 500 > > If StimText.ACC Then ?' correct answer > ? ? ?c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", DurCorrect > Else ?' incorrect answer > ? ? ?c.SetAttrib "FeedDur", DurIncorrect > End If > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From benhisattva at googlemail.com Thu Oct 2 14:14:31 2008 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:14:31 -0700 Subject: Questionnaire in E-Prime 1 In-Reply-To: <48e11bf4.8702be0a.4e22.ffffa3c9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, Thank you very much! Simple, but so easy. ;) //Ben On 29 Sep., 14:18, David McFarlane wrote: > Ben, > > >I use two keyboards because the first one is just for data logging, it > >accepts 1,2,3,4 as input. The second one only accepts space and is > >used for termination. The subject may press any number for one time, > >every trial it has to decide how many answers are correct ranging from > >zero correct answers two four. Afterwards it has to press the spacebar > >to proceed. So one could press just the spacebar or 1,2,3,4 and space. > > >If I set the EndAction of the first keyboard to (none), the EndAction > >of the second keyboard to terminate and set MaxCount of the first > >keyboard to four, it terminates after the first number anyway. > > Ah, THAT'S where I made my mistake. ?I thought you had two separate > physical keyboards, each plugged in to a separate USB port, etc., and > the subject pressed keys on one keyboard for the answers, then > pressed the space bar on the second keyboard to continue. ?That would > have been a very odd setup. ?Now I see that you meant two E-Prime > Keyboard objects as part of the Input Mask of your EP response object. ?Sorry. > > Now I see some problems, and will propose a solution. ?If you don't > care about my explanation, just skip down to my final solution. > > I tried this myself, set one Keyboard to Allow keys 1234, Max Count > 4, End Action (none), and set a second Keyboard to Allow {SPACE} with > End Action Terminate. ?Everything worked fine as long as I did not > press more than 3 number keys (and as a side effect, my E-DataAid > file only showed the final {SPACE} as the response). ?But once I > pressed a fourth key the program hung and I had to to abort. > > Here is what happens: ?Once the response object gets the fourth key, > it performs its end action. ?That action is "none". ?So, the program > does exactly what you told it to do, you press 4 keys and after that > it continues to do absolutely nothing, and there is no way to break > out of that. > > Here is a cheap fix: ?Increase the Max Count of the first keyboard to > 5. ?Now its end action does not trigger until you press 5 keys, so it > is safe to press 4 keys. ?Of course, if someone presses 5 keys then > it will hang again. ?So increase the Max Count to 10, or whatever, > just for safety's sake. > > But I think we are making this all a bit too complicated, and E-Prime > has a better way. ?So here is my final solution. > > Use just one keyboard input mask, Allow 1234{SPACE}, End Action > Terminate, Max Count 5 (or 4), and Termination Response {SPACE}. ?Now > this one keyboard object will allow the subject to press up to 4 keys > plus a {SPACE}, and will terminate the object when the subject > presses the space bar or presses a fifth key (presumably, four > numbers plus a {SPACE}). ?If you instead set Max Count to 4, then the > the object will terminate after the fourth key press without making > the subject press {SPACE}, and will ensure that they only enter four > keys. ?Finally, *all* these responses will appear as one string in > the E-DataAid file. > > This was a nice little puzzle, and I thank you for it. > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >On 26 Sep., 10:18, David McFarlane wrote: > > > Ben, > > > > >It is part of a lager test batterie. I am validating a picture anomaly > > > >test which should measure the social cognition abilities of TLE > > > >patients and I got in total four different tests. It would be nice to > > > >presented them all with one program. > > > > Thanks, just wondered, that makes sense. ?Moving on... > > > > Now I wonder why you use two separate keyboards, one for the numbers > > > and one for the space bar. ?Surely a single keyboard would have both > > > numbers and a space bar, so you could do all this with one > > > keyboard. ?But let's leave that aside. > > > > Next, the subject presses either two keys (a number plus {SPACE}) or > > > just one key ({SPACE}) to continue. ?I assume you do this with the > > > Advanced input mask features, by setting MaxCount to 2 > > > (Disclaimer: ?I have never used this feature myself, so I am > > > stretching here). ?If you did not also set Termination Response to > > > {SPACE}, then the subject must *always* press two keys to continue, > > > i.e., if they press just {SPACE} then the questionaire will not > > > continue (although it would if they pressed {SPACE} twice, give > > that a try). > > > > So, you might try setting Termination Response to {SPACE}. > > > > That said, is there any reason they must press a number key plus the > > > {SPACE}? ?Why not continue as soon as they press the number > > > key? ?What have I missed? > > > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > >On 25 Sep., 16:50, David McFarlane wrote: > > > > > Ben, > > > > > > >I would like to implement a questionnaire in E-Prime, but I > > got stuck. The > > > > > >subject has to choose zero or five answers and then proceed > > to the next > > > > > >part. The instructions say that the subject should press the > > corresponding > > > > > >numbers and then space or if none of the answers is correct > > immediately > > > > > >press space. I used a text-display and added two keyboards > > as input device > > > > > >- one for the numbers and one for the space button to terminate. My > > > > > >problem is that e-prime just stucks and does not react when > > pressing the > > > > > >spacebar. > > > > > > Just curious -- any particular reason why you want to do this > > > > > questionnaire in E-Prime instead of something simpler (like MediaLab, > > > > > or even HTML)? > > > > > > -- David McFarlane --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From M.Andreychik at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 19:36:17 2008 From: M.Andreychik at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:36:17 -0700 Subject: Contingent Feedback Study Message-ID: All, I'm new to e-prime and am attempting to design a contingent feedback study wherein participants' response on one screen determines which screen they will see next. I'm wondering if anyone has done anything like this, and, if they have, if they could pass along some tips on how to implement this effectively, or even a sample of an eprime script that does something similar. Thanks very much. Mike --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:01:02 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:01:02 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run Message-ID: I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime 1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is running Vista but the lab machines are XP. The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each slide presentation. Any ideas? thanks! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From nanderson at klaru-baycrest.on.ca Thu Oct 2 16:03:25 2008 From: nanderson at klaru-baycrest.on.ca (Nicole Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:03:25 -0700 Subject: continue trial after error Message-ID: Hello experts, I am programming an IAT (thanks to C. Bonnemayer (DMKEP Maastricht University), I didn't need to start from scratch - see prior posting re: IAT. However, the standard IAT procedure is that if an error is made, error feedback is provided, but then that trial continues until a correct response is made. The RT recorded is the time since the onset of the stimulus prior to the error. How to do this relates to other prior postings re: repeating errors, but in all of those solutions the error trials are repeated at the end of the trial list (in a new, separate trial list, in fact). If I could insert a new trial just after an error, with the same properties as the previous error trial, that would solve the problem. The RT would then be the sum of the two RTs, plus the duration of feedback. But what I gather is that E-Prime does not like the TrialList content fiddled with while it is running. Has anyone found a solution to this? Much appreciated, Nicole Anderson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 2 18:29:03 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:29:03 -0400 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each >slide presentation. > >Any ideas? I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already done: On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 2 21:47:20 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:47:20 -0400 Subject: continue trial after error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nicole, >I am programming an IAT (thanks to C. Bonnemayer (DMKEP Maastricht >University), I didn't need to start from scratch - see prior posting >re: IAT. > >However, the standard IAT procedure is that if an error is made, error >feedback is provided, but then that trial continues until a correct >response is made. The RT recorded is the time since the onset of the >stimulus prior to the error. > >How to do this relates to other prior postings re: repeating errors, >but in all of those solutions the error trials are repeated at the end >of the trial list (in a new, separate trial list, in fact). If I could >insert a new trial just after an error, with the same properties as >the previous error trial, that would solve the problem. The RT would >then be the sum of the two RTs, plus the duration of feedback. But >what I gather is that E-Prime does not like the TrialList content >fiddled with while it is running. Has anyone found a solution to this? OK, let me take a stab at this. If you can just keep repeating the same trial until the subject gets it right, then you can do this all with a goto in your trial proc. Put a label object in the trial proc up where you want the subject to start over, and when the subject makes a mistake, just goto that label. And if you want to record the mistakes as if they are extra trials, then, before the goto, add the appropriate c.SetAttrib commands and do a c.Log. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:48:04 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:48:04 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: <48e512f4.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffd796SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I hope this doesn't double-post, but I thought I'd replied and I don't see it... Yes, I should have mentioned already. I did try playing the sounding media player and it works fine. In fact, it's a windows system sound (ding.wav) that I've used before in other experiments, but not on these machines. thanks. On Oct 2, 1:29?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: > > > > > > >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime > >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only > >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is > >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have > >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my > >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get > >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), > >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the > >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find > >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each > >slide presentation. > > >Any ideas? > > I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already > done: ?On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that > sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From uw.memorylab at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:02:29 2008 From: uw.memorylab at gmail.com (memorylab) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:29 -0700 Subject: no sounds in E Run In-Reply-To: <48e512f4.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffd796SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, I should have mentioned that. It plays just fine in media player. In fact, it's one of the windows system sounds (ding.wav). I've used the exact same sound file before in other programs, but not on these machines. thanks. On Oct 2, 1:29?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/2/2008 02:01 PM Thursday, you wrote: > > > > > > >I've written a program on my laptop usng E-Studio 1.1.4.15 (E-Prime > >1.1.4.4. w/SP3), and am trying to run in on our lab machines that only > >have E-Run installed (E-Run 1.1.2.65; E-Prime 1.2.1.844). My laptop is > >running Vista but the lab machines are XP. > > >The script seems to run smoothly, but a SoundOut element that I have > >added to a slide just doesn't play. It works fine when running on my > >laptop, but no sound happens on the testing machines. > > >The sound works fine otherwise on the machines (like the beep you get > >when you quit the script early, or when it terminates successfully), > >and the sound file is in the right folder (I tried running without the > >file in the folder, and got the expected error that it couldn't find > >the .wav file). Just nothing where the beep should be playing on each > >slide presentation. > > >Any ideas? > > I will start with the obvious, which no doubt you have already > done: ?On the XP lab machine, what happens when you try to play that > sound .wav file in, say, Windows Media Player instead of E-Prime? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 20:34:52 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:34:52 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 Message-ID: Hi All, Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our experiment. This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the computer. Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and how to fix it? Thanks again, Jessica --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 3 20:53:48 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:53:48 -0400 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jessica, >Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This >happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of >procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, >entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not >recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our >experiment. > >This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the >computer. > >Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed >this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and >how to fix it? Thank you for reporting these problems with E-Prime 2. Just for further background, do you run this under Windows XP, or Windows Vista? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From pop.psych at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 03:26:35 2008 From: pop.psych at gmail.com (J Rudine) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:26:35 -0500 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > experiment. > > This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > computer. > > Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > how to fix it? > > I was having this problem as well (with a Windows Vista machine), although I never quite figured out what was triggering it. I contacted tech support and they had me download the most current version of E-Prime 2 (version 2.0.8.22) and install it. I haven't had a problem since. If this is the issue, and you need to install the latest version, you need to uninstall the version you are currently running before installing the most current release. I was a bit surprised that I needed to do this since E-Prime constantly "checks for updates" when I open it, otherwise, I would have checked for this possibility before contacting tech support. Also, if you have both E-Prime 1.2 and 2 on the same machine, uninstalling E-Prime 2 and reinstalling the newest release, with E-Prime 1.2 already on the machine causes problems (I was getting an error saying that "E-Prime requires an administrator to open E-Studio", even though my Windows account was an adminitrator - it was on my laptop). To solve this issue of needing an administrator, I was told to "right-click on E-Studio 1.2 and select 'Run as Administrator'. Then follow the prompts to allow E-Studio administrative access". Hopefully something in all of that will be useful. J --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:02:47 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:02:47 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: <48E6E26B.6010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. We will try it out. On Oct 3, 11:26 pm, J Rudine wrote: > > Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > > happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > > procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > > entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > > recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > > experiment. > > > This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > > computer. > > > Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > > this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > > how to fix it? > > I was having this problem as well (with a Windows Vista machine), > although I never quite figured out what was triggering it. I contacted > tech support and they had me download the most current version of > E-Prime 2 (version 2.0.8.22) and install it. I haven't had a problem > since. If this is the issue, and you need to install the latest version, > you need to uninstall the version you are currently running before > installing the most current release. I was a bit surprised that I needed > to do this since E-Prime constantly "checks for updates" when I open it, > otherwise, I would have checked for this possibility before contacting > tech support. > > Also, if you have both E-Prime 1.2 and 2 on the same machine, > uninstalling E-Prime 2 and reinstalling the newest release, with E-Prime > 1.2 already on the machine causes problems (I was getting an error > saying that "E-Prime requires an administrator to open E-Studio", even > though my Windows account was an adminitrator - it was on my laptop). To > solve this issue of needing an administrator, I was told to "right-click > on E-Studio 1.2 and select 'Run as Administrator'. Then follow the > prompts to allow E-Studio administrative access". > > Hopefully something in all of that will be useful. > > J --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j.jacobson3 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:03:59 2008 From: j.jacobson3 at gmail.com (JJUMiami) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:03:59 -0700 Subject: No response errors with Eprime2 In-Reply-To: <48e68663.e701be0a.3e9d.ffffc54fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your response. We are using Windows XP. Any suggestions would be appreciated! On Oct 3, 4:53 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessica, > > >Eprime2 continues to freeze when we are working on a protocol. This > >happens during numerous situations (e.g., switching order of > >procedures, clicking on lists when it is in the procedure view, > >entering text into a slide). Once the program freezes, it does not > >recover and it shuts down. As a result, we are unable to program our > >experiment. > > >This problem occurs both with and without the key plugged into the > >computer. > > >Is anyone else having this problem with Eprime2 (we never observed > >this with the old Eprime version)? Any ideas what may be going on and > >how to fix it? > > Thank you for reporting these problems with E-Prime 2. Just for > further background, do you run this under Windows XP, or Windows Vista? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lennertz.t at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 21:42:31 2008 From: lennertz.t at gmail.com (Tracy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:42:31 -0700 Subject: feedback contingent on response time Message-ID: Hi E-Prime users, I'm trying to set an experiment, that provides different feedback depending on a participant's accuracy (> or < 80%) and RT (> or < 1500 ms) at the end of each block. Thus, participants will receive one of four feedback messages at the end of a block of trials. I have the ACC feedback working fine, but am having trouble implementing the RT feedback, and I can't seem to figure out why. Regardless of a participant's RT, they receive the message that their responses are fast. I've included my necessary script components below. I have an InitiateVariable InLine Text, at the beginning of the session that states: 'This initiates the Summation object, OverallRT, so that it 'may be referenced within the experiment. Set OverallRT = New Summation At the end of each trial, I have a Summation InLine text that states: 'The AddObservation command adds the RT value of object 'Stimulus5 to the Summation object, OverallRT. OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT 'The Debug.Print command prints the mean value of the Summation 'object, OverallRT, in the Output window. Debug.Print OverallRT.Mean 'The OverallRT attribute adds the running calculation of overall 'accuracy to the data file at the trial level. c.SetAttrib "OverallRT", OverallRT.Mean At the end of each block, I have an InLine text object, that states: If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") < 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") > 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are fast." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") < 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are fast. Please try harder." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") > 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are slow. Please try harder." ElseIf c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") > 1500 And c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") > 80 Then BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are slow. Good Job and please respond quickly." End If Lastly, in the User Tab of the script, I have declared the variable: 'This script declares OverallRT as a global Summation object. 'This enables OverallRT to collect a number of data entries 'to later display the user's average RT. Dim OverallRT as Summation Is there a necessary component to this script that I might be missing? I'm not sure why the ACC feedback is working (set up as "OverallACC" in the same manner as described above), but not the RT feedback. Thank you very much for your help and time! Best regards, Tracy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 15:45:45 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:45:45 -0400 Subject: feedback contingent on response time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tracy, Thank you for including all the necessary script excerpts, I like that a lot better than having to wade through a complete attached program. Well, I have a lot to say about this, mostly about programming style, since in fact I do not see why your script does not work. But I will propose a solution in the end. First, since the OverallRT appears in your E-DataAid file, I assume that you have verified that it does indeed go above 1500 ms in your debugging runs. Otherwise I would be concerned lest your progam simply does not allow responses past 1500 ms. Also, note that without a response you will get a RT of 0, and this will bring the average down, so you might want to make sure to take care of that (unless you just left that out of your excerpts), something like If Stimuls5.RT > 0 Then ' got a response OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT Else ' no response OverallRT.AddObservation End If Second, look closely at your If... Then... ElseIf cascade, and see what happens if OverallRT exactly equals 1500, or OverallACC exactly equals 80. Your If ... Then does not cover those cases, and in that case your script does nothing. Did you mean to do that? If not, then somewhere in there you should have some "<=" or ">=" instead of "<" or ">". Also, good practice dictates that you have a final Else clause even if your program should never get there (I call this a "sanity check"), we call practices like this "defensive programming" (look that up on Wikipedia). Third, if it were me, instead of modifying object text directly, as in BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & ... I would use an attribute reference, as in c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", "Your average accuracy is " & ... At the very least, an attribute reference in the object alerts the programmer that this value will be modified at run time, otherwise the programmer has no clue that text will be modified in script. But this may come down to a matter of personal programming style. Fourth, I note that your message always starts with "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and your responses are " I would take advantage of that in clarifying the script with a rewrite. Fifth, I would say that, unless this is meant just as an instructional program, your program is over commented. Things like the .AddObservation method and Debug.Print should be general background knowledge for anyone using E-Prime, and do not need to be explained in program comments, that just makes the program harder to read. Comments should be reserved to answer *specific* questions that may occur to others reading the script. So much for my unsolicited $.02. Now, if it were me, I might use an attribute reference for the text in BlockACC (e.g., [BlockACC]), and completely rewrite your If... Then script. Let's assume that RT = 1500 is still fast, and ACC = 80 is still good, then the script might come out like this: Dim blockACC as String ' just for convenience ' Message always starts the same: blockACC = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") _ & " % and your responses are " If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") <= 1500 Then ' fast RT blockACC = blockACC & "fast." ' all done if good ACC If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC blockACC = blockAcc & " Please try harder." End If Else ' slow RT blockACC = blockACC & "slow." If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC blockACC = " Please try harder." Else ' good ACC blockACC = blockACC & " Good Job and please respond quickly." End If End If c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", blockACC No doubt with a little thought you can improve even further on this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lennertz.t at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:09:10 2008 From: lennertz.t at gmail.com (Tracy Lennertz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:09:10 -0400 Subject: feedback contingent on response time In-Reply-To: <48eb8432.5605be0a.28ee.fffff6eaSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:45 AM, David McFarlane wrote: > > Tracy, > > Thank you for including all the necessary script excerpts, I like > that a lot better than having to wade through a complete attached > program. > > Well, I have a lot to say about this, mostly about programming style, > since in fact I do not see why your script does not work. But I will > propose a solution in the end. > > > First, since the OverallRT appears in your E-DataAid file, I assume > that you have verified that it does indeed go above 1500 ms in your > debugging runs. Otherwise I would be concerned lest your progam > simply does not allow responses past 1500 ms. Also, note that > without a response you will get a RT of 0, and this will bring the > average down, so you might want to make sure to take care of that > (unless you just left that out of your excerpts), something like > > If Stimuls5.RT > 0 Then ' got a response > OverallRT.AddObservation Stimulus5.RT > Else ' no response > OverallRT.AddObservation > End If > > > Second, look closely at your If... Then... ElseIf cascade, and see > what happens if OverallRT exactly equals 1500, or OverallACC exactly > equals 80. Your If ... Then does not cover those cases, and in that > case your script does nothing. Did you mean to do that? If not, > then somewhere in there you should have some "<=" or ">=" instead of > "<" or ">". Also, good practice dictates that you have a final Else > clause even if your program should never get there (I call this a > "sanity check"), we call practices like this "defensive programming" > (look that up on Wikipedia). > > > Third, if it were me, instead of modifying object text directly, as in > > BlockACC.Text = "Your average accuracy is " & ... > > I would use an attribute reference, as in > > c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", "Your average accuracy is " & ... > > At the very least, an attribute reference in the object alerts the > programmer that this value will be modified at run time, otherwise > the programmer has no clue that text will be modified in script. But > this may come down to a matter of personal programming style. > > > Fourth, I note that your message always starts with > "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") & " % and > your responses are " > I would take advantage of that in clarifying the script with a > rewrite. > > > Fifth, I would say that, unless this is meant just as an > instructional program, your program is over commented. Things like > the .AddObservation method and Debug.Print should be general > background knowledge for anyone using E-Prime, and do not need to be > explained in program comments, that just makes the program harder to > read. Comments should be reserved to answer *specific* questions > that may occur to others reading the script. > > > So much for my unsolicited $.02. Now, if it were me, I might use an > attribute reference for the text in BlockACC (e.g., [BlockACC]), and > completely rewrite your If... Then script. Let's assume that RT = > 1500 is still fast, and ACC = 80 is still good, then the script might > come out like this: > > Dim blockACC as String ' just for convenience > > ' Message always starts the same: > blockACC = "Your average accuracy is " & c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") _ > & " % and your responses are " > If c.GetAttrib("OverallRT") <= 1500 Then ' fast RT > blockACC = blockACC & "fast." ' all done if good ACC > If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC > blockACC = blockAcc & " Please try harder." > End If > Else ' slow RT > blockACC = blockACC & "slow." > If c.GetAttrib("OverallACC") < 80 Then ' poor ACC > blockACC = " Please try harder." > Else ' good ACC > blockACC = blockACC & " Good Job and please respond quickly." > End If > End If > c.SetAttrib "BlockACC", blockACC > > > No doubt with a little thought you can improve even further on this. > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > ----------------------------------- Tracy Lennertz Department of Psychology Northeastern University 125 Nightingale Hall 360 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4141 lennertz.t at neu.edu --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Does response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can still record even without any response (in stop trial)? thank you!! shu fang --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From sfcheng0825 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 06:45:35 2008 From: sfcheng0825 at gmail.com (shu fang) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:45:35 -0700 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm Message-ID: Hello, I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can still record even without any response (in stop trial)? thank you!! shu fang --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 16:39:24 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:39:24 -0400 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shu Fang, >I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything >is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the >feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. >The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does >response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has >to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can >still record even without any response (in stop trial)? You have to set the input mask of your SRBox separately from the input mask of the keyboard. Go to the Duration/Input tab of your response object, click on the SRBox device, and then edit the Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action as appropriate for your SRBox input. To repeat: Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action do not just carry over when you add more input devices to a response object, you have to set these individually for each input device. This is a feature, as it allows each input device to have different parameters as appropriate. Hope this helps, -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From f.adani at campus.unimib.it Tue Oct 7 19:03:37 2008 From: f.adani at campus.unimib.it (f.adani) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:03:37 -0700 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid Message-ID: Hi all, I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL and viceversa. I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the two existing variables. I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... so far I have only created variable3 :-( thanks a lot! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 7 19:14:43 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:14:43 -0400 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can >merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I >already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 >and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL >and viceversa. >I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the >two existing variables. >I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... >so far I have only created variable3 :-( If you work through the E-DataAid tutorial in the User's Guide that came with E-Prime, you might find that Tools > Analyze will do what you need, but I would not guarantee that. Beyond that, I do not think that E-DataAid can do the computations you ask for to create a new variable. You might have to export to Excel or SPSS or whatever to do that. Hope someone else here has a better answer, -- David McFarlane, Professionial Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From f.adani at campus.unimib.it Tue Oct 7 23:55:04 2008 From: f.adani at campus.unimib.it (f.adani) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:55:04 -0700 Subject: Modify a variable in E-Data Aid In-Reply-To: <48ebb524.e701be0a.3e9d.799cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: thank you. i have already went through the tutorial but it doesn't mention it. so I guess i'll use SPSS. On Oct 7, 9:14?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > >I need to create a new variable in my data spreadsheet, where I can > >merge the values of two already existing variables. In other words, I > >already have variable1 and variable2 (with values 1 and 0). Variable1 > >and variable2 are complementary, if variable1 = 1 or 0, variable2=NULL > >and viceversa. > >I want to create variable3 where I can merge values 1 and 2 from the > >two existing variables. > >I'm sure there's a way to do this, but I can't figure out how... > >so far I have only created variable3 :-( > > If you work through the E-DataAid tutorial in the User's Guide that > came with E-Prime, you might find that Tools > Analyze will do what > you need, but I would not guarantee that. ?Beyond that, I do not > think that E-DataAid can do the computations you ask for to create a > new variable. ?You might have to export to Excel or SPSS or whatever > to do that. > > Hope someone else here has a better answer, > -- David McFarlane, Professionial Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From sfcheng0825 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 01:22:52 2008 From: sfcheng0825 at gmail.com (shu fang cheng) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:22:52 +0800 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: <48eb90bd.8702be0a.0e91.39aeSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: HI, David Thank you for your suggestion. But I already checked the device and response object in duration/Input tab. In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? thank you shu fang 2008/10/8 David McFarlane > > Shu Fang, > > >I used e-prime to creat a program of stop signal paradigm. Everything > >is good when I used keyboard to record subject's response. But the > >feedback of response is wrong when I used response box to record data. > >The feedback is abnormal both in go trial and stop trial. Does > >response box can only use to record the experiment which subject has > >to respond everytime? or I can set the program that response boc can > >still record even without any response (in stop trial)? > > You have to set the input mask of your SRBox separately from the > input mask of the keyboard. Go to the Duration/Input tab of your > response object, click on the SRBox device, and then edit the > Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action as appropriate for > your SRBox input. > > To repeat: Allowable, Correct, Time Limit, and End Action do not > just carry over when you add more input devices to a response object, > you have to set these individually for each input device. This is a > feature, as it allows each input device to have different parameters > as appropriate. > > Hope this helps, > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Wed Oct 8 01:59:45 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:59:45 -0400 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: shu fang cheng wrote: > HI, David > Thank you for your suggestion. But I already checked the device and > response object in duration/Input tab. Well, I am sorry if I jumped to a conclusion about the source of your problem, thank you for checking that. > In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can > only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' > feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response > box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? Sorry, no, so you have me stumped. Perhaps someone else here has seen this and can help. -- David McFarlane --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From sfcheng0825 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 02:27:06 2008 From: sfcheng0825 at gmail.com (shu fang cheng) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:27:06 +0800 Subject: error with response box in stop signal paradigm In-Reply-To: <48EC1411.2070100@msu.edu> Message-ID: Thank you for your help anyway!! ^0^ shu fang 2008/10/8 David McFarlane > > shu fang cheng wrote: > > HI, David > > Thank you for your suggestion. But I already checked the device and > > response object in duration/Input tab. > > Well, I am sorry if I jumped to a conclusion about the source of your > problem, thank you for checking that. > > > In one block (both with go trials and stop trials), the feedback can > > only response correct for first and second trials and then other trials' > > feedbacks are abnormal. This problem only happened when I use response > > box. Have you seen this kind of problem before? > > Sorry, no, so you have me stumped. Perhaps someone else here has seen > this and can help. > > -- David McFarlane > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Thanks, Mary --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From ascott0704 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 21:46:19 2008 From: ascott0704 at yahoo.com (Speechy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:46:19 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses Message-ID: Hi, Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real time? This would serve as a backup method in case the responses/RT aren't recorded for some reason in E-prime. Thanks --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From eelliott at lsu.edu Tue Oct 14 20:59:21 2008 From: eelliott at lsu.edu (Emily M Elliott) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:59:21 -0700 Subject: scoring word recall Message-ID: Hi, I'm working on a serial recall experiment with words. How do I get E- prime to ignore the other characters, like {space} that appear in the participant's recall? As it stands now, the display echo records every key stroke, thus making all responses incorrect because participants include things like the space bar in their respones. Also, does anyone know how to do serial position scoring on words? All I have right now is an overall correct/incorrect response, and I'd like something more sensitive than that. Thanks, Emily --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Oh, for the record, E-Prime 1.x could also do something this, coupled with a system called IFIS. To be fair, that required two computers connected by ethernet, or (in an earlier version) one computer running some specialized server software. E-Prime handed the data off to the server, which then presented it to a separate client program for presentation to the experimenter on a second screen. So in principle, yes, with sufficient engineering, E-Prime, coupled with external software, can do what you ask. But I still wonder if it is worth the effort. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and therefore a trial must be repeated later. The subject had the button box and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! david --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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This would serve as a backup method in case the responses/RT > aren't recorded for some reason in E-prime. In ten years of using E-Prime, I cannot think of any instance where E-Prime failed in such a way that we would have had need of such a backup, but I would be interested to hear from others. FWIW, E-Prime does record everything to a text file on the disk on the fly, so even if it crashes mid-experiment you may recover the data up to that point using the E-Recovery program. As for your question, I believe you could do such a thing with E-Prime 2 Professional and sufficient programming in script. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Mike --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dave.hairston at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 15:04:37 2008 From: dave.hairston at gmail.com (Dr. Dave Hairston) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:04:37 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <1358.81.157.144.239.1224083319.squirrel@www.webmail.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: The method that David describes is exactly what I have been doin gfor years with very good success. Simply, what you need is a video card with two outtputs ("Dual-head"). Almost any card will do this nowadays; I'm partial to nVidia myself. But anyhow, from that card, run 1 of the two lines itno a video splitter box, so that you have 1 line in, 2 lines out... now you have 3 monitors, and 2 of them show the same thing. CAUTION - get a good splitter with it's own power supply, the cheap stuff gives terrible images. Now place 1 of the "cloned" onitors in teh room with your subject, and the other two outside in your "control room" or whatever. E-Prime will automatically run the paradigm on the monitor that is designated as "primary" in Windows... so set your cloned monitor to this one, and move your E-Editor window to teh other one (I call this the "experimenter's window" b/c teh usbject now cannot see it!). Now you can see the Debugger window WHILE YOUR SCIPT IS RUNNING and your subject cannot... cool... Just use very simple code after the response recording object to report back the .RT or .ACC status after each trial; for example the line: debug.print Response. Acc & " " Response. RT will print out "1 345" or similar after each response. >>Why would you want to do this??? Well, sometimes you need to know how your subjects are doing on-line; perhaps they are in training and you wish to ensure they know what they are doing. In my case, I'm having usbjects do an adaptive staircase procedure... and as we all know, staircases are notoriously flaky... and if people get off track, it throwsteh whole procedure out of whack. So, I watch their progress trial-by-trial to be sure they're progressing as expected. Hope that helps!! Dave P.s. - in theory, I believe EP 2.0 is supposed to support multiple monitors. If this is the case, one could have it report status directly to teh 1nd monitor which only teh experimenter can see, and avoid the whole debugger window bit..... On Oct 15, 11:08?am, "David Vinson" wrote: > > Speechy wrote: > >> Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > >> while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > >> them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > >> For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > >> on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > >> responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > >> time? > > It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug > window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display > relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), > e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. > > I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring > of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, > e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and > therefore a trial must be repeated later. ?The subject had the button box > and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" > during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. > > I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! > > david --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From MSpape at FSW.leidenuniv.nl Fri Oct 17 06:29:19 2008 From: MSpape at FSW.leidenuniv.nl (Spape, Michiel) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:29:19 +0200 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses Message-ID: A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. I have used the same setup for my own experiments in which online monitoring was essential, but of course, I much prefer evading that tedious process whenever possible! Hope that helps. Best, Michiel M. Spape Cog.Psy. Unit LIBC & LUIPR Leiden Sent from my Windows Mobile? phone. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Dave Hairston Sent: donderdag 16 oktober 2008 17:55 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Recording Real Time Responses The method that David describes is exactly what I have been doin gfor years with very good success. Simply, what you need is a video card with two outtputs ("Dual-head"). Almost any card will do this nowadays; I'm partial to nVidia myself. But anyhow, from that card, run 1 of the two lines itno a video splitter box, so that you have 1 line in, 2 lines out... now you have 3 monitors, and 2 of them show the same thing. CAUTION - get a good splitter with it's own power supply, the cheap stuff gives terrible images. Now place 1 of the "cloned" onitors in teh room with your subject, and the other two outside in your "control room" or whatever. E-Prime will automatically run the paradigm on the monitor that is designated as "primary" in Windows... so set your cloned monitor to this one, and move your E-Editor window to teh other one (I call this the "experimenter's window" b/c teh usbject now cannot see it!). Now you can see the Debugger window WHILE YOUR SCIPT IS RUNNING and your subject cannot... cool... Just use very simple code after the response recording object to report back the .RT or .ACC status after each trial; for example the line: debug.print Response. Acc & " " Response. RT will print out "1 345" or similar after each response. >>Why would you want to do this??? Well, sometimes you need to know how your subjects are doing on-line; perhaps they are in training and you wish to ensure they know what they are doing. In my case, I'm having usbjects do an adaptive staircase procedure... and as we all know, staircases are notoriously flaky... and if people get off track, it throwsteh whole procedure out of whack. So, I watch their progress trial-by-trial to be sure they're progressing as expected. Hope that helps!! Dave P.s. - in theory, I believe EP 2.0 is supposed to support multiple monitors. If this is the case, one could have it report status directly to teh 1nd monitor which only teh experimenter can see, and avoid the whole debugger window bit..... On Oct 15, 11:08 am, "David Vinson" wrote: > > Speechy wrote: > >> Is there a way that I can record participants' responses and their RTs > >> while the subject is performing the task without sitting right beside > >> them and without them seeing any type of feedback on accuracy or RT? > >> For example, is there a way that the participant can complete a task > >> on one computer (without any visual feedback) but I can see his/her > >> responses and the RT for each trial on a different monitor in real > >> time? > > It was once possible (v.1) to do this on a single machine using the debug > window displayed on a second monitor. Inline code could be used to display > relevant content to the debug window (Debug.Print as I vaguely recall), > e.g. displaying the correct answer so the experimenter could see it. > > I used this on a few occasions where I wanted to do some real-time scoring > of spoken responses, where offline scoring would not have been sufficient, > e.g. signaling that speech errors of certain kinds had occurred and > therefore a trial must be repeated later. The subject had the button box > and microphone (for voice relay) and I had a keyboard to signal "error" > during an intertrial period, unbeknownst to the subject. > > I too am not sure why you would want to verify accuracy and RT by hand! > > david ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 17 14:05:34 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:05:34 -0400 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <004801c93021$b0541216$0c48e584@fsw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: At 10/17/2008 02:29 AM Friday, Michiel M. Spape wrote: >A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but >somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of >experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed >feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors >have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen >manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - >hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. That would do the trick. And if you really wanted to go crude and old school, you could use two monitors as above, and without any adjustment just tape or cover up the bottom of the subject's screen so they cannot see it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dave.hairston at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 19:34:34 2008 From: dave.hairston at gmail.com (Dr. Dave Hairston) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:34:34 -0700 Subject: Recording Real Time Responses In-Reply-To: <48f89bb4.25bd720a.067e.0009SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A final note on splitting monitors - when you get the device to do so, be sure that it supports the total badnwidth of the signal that you are sending. Often we (at least I!) are running at fairly fast refresh rates (hopefully < 10 ms, if you have the right equipment you can hit 5 ms) and screen resolutions for having good tight experimental control. Some splitting boxes (the cheap ones) officially only support slow (e.g., <100 Hz) refresh rates and/or low resolutions. What will happen is that if you exceedteh capacity of the box, the two monitors may either (a) not actually stay in sync with either other, so the timing of what you (the experimenter sees) and your subject may not be true, and (more importantly) you don't really know if the time reported by E-Prime is accurate... or (b) the image will be terrible or simply shut off. I like the cheap and elegant tape-over-the-response solution... but why would you want to do that for only 10 cents and 10 seconds of work, when instead you could waste 3 days and thousands of valuable research dollars with the more complicated route?? ;-) On Oct 17, 10:05?am, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/17/2008 02:29 AM Friday, Michiel M. Spape wrote: > > >A colleague of mine invented a procedure much like this, but > >somewhat simpler, if less elegant. With voice-key type of > >experiments and a simple monitor splitter, he typically showed > >feedback on the bottom edge of the screen (acc, rt). Most monitors > >have a little menu built in which permit aligning the screen > >manually, so he moved the participant's screen a little down - > >hiding the feedback - whilst keeping his own normal. > > That would do the trick. ?And if you really wanted to go crude and > old school, you could use two monitors as above, and without any > adjustment just tape or cover up the bottom of the subject's screen > so they cannot see it. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lunakick at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 18:54:09 2008 From: lunakick at yahoo.com (Luna) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:54:09 -0700 Subject: repeat one of the sample of items In-Reply-To: <48d7d91d.5605be0a.1a22.0d36SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, I did think about how to have e-prime do this, and the only thing I could come up with was having a specific key, not the likert scale response set, bring up a response box where the participant could type in the correct answer. So, the old incorrect response would be logged as well as the new correct one. However, I do like the HTML way better because one could have all 15 items on the same screen. The person can go back and change any of the radio-buttons and then press submit. I like it. It means I have to close eprime in the middle because I have videos on eprime, then questionnaire, then some pictures of faces back on eprime. It could work. Thanks to you and everyone who responded! -Luna On Sep 22, 6:42?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Luna, > > Sorry I keep coming back to this, but you pose a fascinating little puzzle. > > As yet another alternative, if you just want to do Likert scales and > do not care too much about the timing, you could do this with a bit > of HTML, JavaScript, and maybe some ActiveX in Internet Explorer or > another suitable web browser. ?With HTML links you can easily make > each trial go whereever you like. ?We have done things like this > ourselves to good effect, and it does not cost anything. > > Just another thought, > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Because the interval between two adjacent target words varies, I used an inline object to ask eprime to calculate the interval of the two words before marking. Could any expert do me a favor to check whether my tags are doing the right job? What might be the reason for the huge delays I am getting? How to reduce that delay? One thing that puzzles me is: when I check the edat file, the delay is quite neglectible, only the delay on my netstation IV test is very large. Thanks a lot in advance! Yan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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When the joystick is pulled, the image size should increase. However, I have no idea how to do this with a joystick. I am using E- prime version 2.0. Standard. So far, the experiment is working if keyboard-buttons are used instead of joystick movements. For each picture, there are seven different versions of different sizes. Each trial thus consists of 7 images, and depending on which response is given, the experiment jumps to a bigger or smaller version of the starting image. So my questions are: how can I collect joystick-movement-data and how I can subsequently use this information to present the next picture. Thank you, Helen Tibboel --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From maxwell.jeff at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 11:46:59 2008 From: maxwell.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Maxwell) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:46:59 -0400 Subject: netstation tags In-Reply-To: <54ff1cf0810212106q4913ec73h7aa3adeacfc6d9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Yan, I can't test this with an EGI system at my present location, but have a couple of thoughts. First, have you synchronized your clock on EPrime Biological using the photodiode to determine (a) the baseline/constant offset between the PC-Mac timing, and (b) if/what drift (i.e. increase) in this timing occurs over extended periods of testing? Once you've determined these, you can set a scaling factor to synchronize the clocks. This should take care of the majority of both issues. If there is a residual offset of a few milliseconds, it should be fixed and so can easily be accounted for. How to do all of this is covered in the EPrime Biological documentation that you should have received through EGI. Second, have you used the DIN (Parallel Port) lines at the same time as the serial information to ensure that your correct timing in the .edat files is corroborated by correct timing in the instantaneous event coding? If not, you should do this as well. Finally, unrelated to your question but perhaps saving a lot of time down the line, there are many keys/levels of serial event coding available in EPrime Biological. I haven't used the newest versions of NetStation and EPrime Bio, but in my experience, segmentation and post-processing is MUCH easier if you skip most of these levels and code all of your events using unique "tags". There are a nearly infinite number of alphanumeric 4-key combinations and accessing these in the exported files (e.g., in MatLab), and even within the EGI software, is much more straightforward than the various cells/keys/levels. Hope something in this helps, Max On 10/22/08, Yan Yu wrote: > Dear eprimers, > > I am delivering stimulus via eprime and collecting ERP data via > NetStation. However, for some reason, when I do my AV test, the delay > is very large. > I am wondering if I did anything wrong. Here attached is my > experiment, Basically, I have 8 type of sentence lists, each list is a > paragraph of a story. In each sentence, I need to tag the onsets of > several particular words.I used a seperate marker list to send tags to > netstation. My inter-sentence interval is 500ms as defined by "wait3". > Because the interval between two adjacent target words varies, I used > an inline object to ask eprime to calculate the interval of the two > words before marking. Could any expert do me a favor to check > whether my tags are doing the right job? What might be the reason for > the huge delays I am getting? How to reduce that delay? One thing that > puzzles me is: when I check the edat file, the delay is quite > neglectible, only the delay on my netstation IV test is very large. > > Thanks a lot in advance! > > Yan > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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URL: From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 11:41:13 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (RickOG) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:41:13 -0700 Subject: E-Prime on bootcamp Message-ID: Hi, I have had a look at the archives and can't see this issue addressed, so I'd be grateful for any assistance. I have an early 2008 Macbook Pro, with a bootcamp setup (WinXP SP3). I have successfully installed/validated E-Prime running on the Mac OS X using a virtualisation program (Virtualbox). However, I have been unable to validate E-Prime on my bootcamp setup. I installed recent Aladdin HASP key driver, and so the dongle light glows when inserted, and Windows acknowledged it when I next put it in. However, I cannot get E-Prime to validate with it. We have the single-user validation system (green dongle?) rather than a network key. I know that many people have E-Prime running on bootcamp setups, so I am sure there's a way to get it to work but I can't figure out what's wrong. Extra info: I didn't initially have the latest driver for the HASP key, and installed that after E-Prime. I did uninstall E-Prime and reinstall, but I also noticed that E-Prime does not fully clean out the registry. I am wondering whether my initial failure to validate, perhaps because I did not have a driver/recent driver, somehow got something set in the registry that won't update? I tried getting help from PST on this, but they simply say that they don't support E-Prime on Macs, which is the height of a cop-out. The CS rep said that they don't support non-native Windows, even after I explained that it's running on an Intel chip, no different to a Dell or HP!!! Eventually, she told me she'd pass my comments on to the developers. I'd welcome any suggestions, particularly if you have had success with a similar setup (ie, on a MBP with a single user validation dongle). Cheers, Rick --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From tony.andrews at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 13:45:59 2008 From: tony.andrews at gmail.com (Andrews, A.S.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:45:59 -0700 Subject: Using E-Prime V2 across Ethernet? Message-ID: **apologies if this double-posts due to a confusion over email addresses. Hi Does anyone have experience of using Ethernet to allow several PCs to communicate in E-Prime? I've done it before using serial. There were 7 PCs with the output of one serial port connected to the input of the next in a ring: Up to 6 subject stations plus a 7th 'server' to collate the data passed around like a token between the others. What I now need to do is have five 'pairs' communicate, with a server PC configuring each client at the start of each run. It will decide which of the 10 PCs will work in pairs for that run and collect results at the end. I could probably do this with a longer serial lead and some lateral thinking, but I think Ethernet is probably the way to go. What little I've found on the forum suggests that the Socket device works in the same way as the serial device but only as a client, so that doesn't help much. Thanks in advance, Tony Andrews Principal Computer Officer School of Psychology University of Leicester. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:10:01 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:10:01 +0000 Subject: E-Prime on bootcamp In-Reply-To: <472bedd1-69f9-4c3b-b5ca-30678d73be0f@d31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions (if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): 1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box open below the structure box by default! 2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 17:33:07 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backuups (was: Re: E-Prime on bootcamp) In-Reply-To: <49074769.1030503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, >Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions >(if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): Questions (and answers) allowed & encouraged on this list. Do please change the subject line if you ask a new question instead of contribute to an existing one. >1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up >when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This >is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box >open below the structure box by default! I take it you are working in E-Prime 2. These pop-ups go away if you leave the mouse alone for about 4 seconds. Still an annoyance, but they will go away. I too would like to know if you find an answer, as I have not found a use for this feature yet. But perhaps if I gave it a try I might find it useful. >2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? >I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost >for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please search the archives. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From rickogorman at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:45:34 2008 From: rickogorman at gmail.com (Rick O'Gorman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:34 +0000 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backups In-Reply-To: <49074cd4.e701be0a.5112.ffff837dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: David McFarlane wrote: > Rick, > >> Just getting used to working with E-Prime. A couple of quick questions >> (if this is allowed/encouraged on this list): > > Questions (and answers) allowed & encouraged on this list. Do please > change the subject line if you ask a new question instead of > contribute to an existing one. Thanks for your reply Dave. Yes, I realised right after I pressed send that I forgot to change the subject line. >> 1) Anyone know how to turn off the properties pop-up box that shows up >> when the mouse pointer hovers over an item in the structure window? This >> is driving me nuts, as it obscures my view and I have the properties box >> open below the structure box by default! > > I take it you are working in E-Prime 2. These pop-ups go away if you Yes, using E-Prime. > leave the mouse alone for about 4 seconds. Still an annoyance, but Yes, I know they go away eventually, but when I am using the mouse to move around the items in the structure window, waiting 4 seconds before I can see again is an eternity! > they will go away. I too would like to know if you find an answer, > as I have not found a use for this feature yet. But perhaps if I > gave it a try I might find it useful. Perhaps, but I am currently at a loss. :) >> 2) Does E-Prime create automatic backups, as does MS Word, for example? >> I just had E-Prime crash after a bit of work and it seems like its lost >> for good. I'm getting flashbacks from the nineties here...:) > > Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most > recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup > experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has > been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please > search the archives. I don't think this is what I'm looking for (I had spotted it). It seems, as I understand the feature, to backup saved copies. However, I'm looking for E-Prime to do auto-saves (perhaps a better label than what I initially used). The way Word or Excel (or many other programs) will automatically save the file every so often. I can always try to get back into the habit of saving every few minutes (as I used to have to do with older versions of Word--after a hard-earned lesson or two), or whenever I do a time-consuming task, but I just thought there are standard features of any programming environment and this is one. Rick -- Rick O'Gorman, PhD Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society Collegiate Crescent Campus, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield S10 2BP Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430 http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. --Dan Stanford --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 17:59:36 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: EP2 pop-ups & backups In-Reply-To: <49074FBE.6070106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, > > Try Tools > Options, General Tab. Enable "Automatically backup most > > recently saved copies of my experiment". Click "Copy backup > > experiments to the desktop..." to recover them. I think this has > > been covered better in earlier posts here or in the PST Forum, please > > search the archives. > >I don't think this is what I'm looking for (I had spotted it). It seems, >as I understand the feature, to backup saved copies. However, I'm >looking for E-Prime to do auto-saves (perhaps a better label than what I >initially used). The way Word or Excel (or many other programs) will >automatically save the file every so often. I can always try to get back >into the habit of saving every few minutes (as I used to have to do with >older versions of Word--after a hard-earned lesson or two), or whenever >I do a time-consuming task, but I just thought there are standard >features of any programming environment and this is one. Sorry, yes, I misunderstood your original question. Personally, I have never relied on the auto backup feature of any system, so I tend to forget about them. My mantra is "save early and often". F S is just burned into my fingers, I do it every few seconds whether I need it or not, even when I have not made any change. I do it after almost every edit. I only resist when I already have a working program and I am making changes that may break it, in that case I like to test run before I save. Even in that case, I usually work from a new copy so I can do my usual F S dance again as I make provisional changes. Just my $0.02 on personal programming habits. Regards, -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From cate.hartley at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 18:07:00 2008 From: cate.hartley at gmail.com (Cate) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:07:00 -0700 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac Message-ID: I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse transmitted via a Biopac MP system. I am using the Biopac STP100C Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a parallel port. In the product specifications, it specifies the pins over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 connector) Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines 8-15 Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines 4-7 Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value 120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of the EPrime input pins. Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of x. Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this hardware setup, would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, -Cate --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 28 19:08:29 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:08:29 -0400 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cate, >I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse >transmitted via a Biopac MP system. I am using the Biopac STP100C >Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a >parallel port. In the product specifications, it specifies the pins >over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. > >Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 >connector) >Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines >8-15 >Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines >4-7 > >Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value >120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of >the EPrime input pins. Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no >recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of >x. > >Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this >hardware setup, would be appreciated. > >Thanks in advance, I have never used a BioPac, but here are a few general thoughts on the use of a parallel port for I/O in EP. First, make sure your parallel port really appears at base address &H378. A few computers put the port at a different base address, like &H278. You might find the lpt port base address using the Windows Device Manager. Second, make sure that the parallel port is configured for the proper mode and direction. The BIOS in some computers allows you to configure the parallel port as an old, standard ("legacy") parallel port, as well as newer bidirectional modes (ECP & EPP?). If you use a bidirectional mode then you must also set the data direction using script. I ran a search at the PST Forum using the term "parallel port" and found the following post which may give you some ideas: http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1164-8-1.aspx -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From cate.hartley at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 22:50:33 2008 From: cate.hartley at gmail.com (Cate) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:50:33 -0700 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: <4907632e.20ed720a.0ebc.ffffefa2SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Thanks so much for the feedback! My parallel port is really at &H378 (888 in decimal). I have now gotten Writeport (888,x) to work but I am still unable to read from port 889 (I get a value of 120 regardless of the TTL input I'm sending). This leads me to believe that I either need to include some code to enable using the port for input, or that my port is not correctly configured in the BIOS for input. I checked the BIOS and it is currently set to ECP mode. Other options available for selection are EPP and PS/2. Would you recommend using a different mode? Any advice would be welcome! Thanks, Cate On Oct 28, 3:08?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Cate, > > > > >I am trying to use the ReadPort function to receive a TTL pulse > >transmitted via a Biopac MP system. ?I am using the Biopac STP100C > >Digital Interface that connects to the PC running Eprime via a > >parallel port. ?In the product specifications, it specifies the pins > >over which TTL pulses can be sent to/from EPrime. > > >Parallel Port interface (uses standard PC printer port with DSUB 25 > >connector) > >Output from E-Prime: (pins 2-9) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines > >8-15 > >Input to E-Prime: (pins 13-10) connect to MP System Digital I/O lines > >4-7 > > >Using the ReadPort(889) or ReadPort(&H379) commands yields the value > >120 regardless of whether a TTL pulse is being sent to any or all of > >the EPrime input pins. ?Similarly, using WritePort(888,x) yields no > >recognized input on the receiving machine regardless of the value of > >x. > > >Any suggestions, especially from anyone who has successfully used this > >hardware setup, would be appreciated. > > >Thanks in advance, > > I have never used a BioPac, but here are a few general thoughts on > the use of a parallel port for I/O in EP. > > First, make sure your parallel port really appears at base address > &H378. ?A few computers put the port at a different base address, > like &H278. ?You might find the lpt port base address using the > Windows Device Manager. > > Second, make sure that the parallel port is configured for the proper > mode and direction. ?The BIOS in some computers allows you to > configure the parallel port as an old, standard ("legacy") parallel > port, as well as newer bidirectional modes (ECP & EPP?). ?If you use > a bidirectional mode then you must also set the data direction using script. > > I ran a search at the PST Forum using the term "parallel port" and > found the following post which may give you some ideas: > > http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1164-8-1.aspx > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 30 18:44:05 2008 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:44:05 -0400 Subject: Digital I/O between EPrime and Biopac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/29/2008 06:50 PM Wednesday, Cate wrote: >I have now gotten Writeport (888,x) to work but I am still unable to >read from port 889 (I get a value of 120 regardless of the TTL input >I'm sending). This leads me to believe that I either need to >include some code to enable using the port for input, or that my >port is not correctly configured in the BIOS for input. I checked >the BIOS and it is currently set to ECP mode. Other options >available for selection are EPP and PS/2. Would you recommend using >a different mode? Would not hurt. ECP and EPP are newer "bidirectional" parallel port modes, PS/2 is the original, standard, "legacy" parallel port mode. I would try the PS/2 mode first. After that fails I would try the EPP mode for good measure. After that fails I would follow the link I sent earlier and try following those instructions. Don't know what I would do after that fails. Before all that I would put a volt meter or oscilloscope on the parallel port inputs to make sure they are what I think they are. I might also disconnect the BioPac and use another known signal source. I might also look at the output from the BioPac to make sure that that is what I think it is. Finally, I might find some other more primitive software to inspect the state of the parallel port. I used to do this with the "i" command from the old DOS "debug" utility, I don't know if that still works with modern Windows. Short of that I would write a primitive E-Prime script to just continually display the state of the parallel port (and maybe a few neighboring ports for good measure), just to make my debugging a little easier. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From derick-deweber at ouhsc.edu Fri Oct 31 15:17:53 2008 From: derick-deweber at ouhsc.edu (ddeweber) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:17:53 -0700 Subject: Communicating via Ethernet cable Message-ID: I am attempting to interface E-Prime with a Nicolet EEG system. It is apparently the case that this particular Nicolet system is only able to receive outside information via an ethernet cable. My question then is can E-prime communicate via ethernet cable to an outside source to initiate recording? My goal is to coordinate stimulus presentation in E-prime with EEG recording so that we may time stamp observed responses with experimental stimuli. Thanks, Derick Deweber --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---