From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:37:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:37:57 +0100 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I imagine you have had more experience with programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have three screens popping up than repeating the same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean Start: -Show picture1 with question1 -Clear question1 and insert question2 Goto Start Which makes sense in normal programming, but not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] Since each one is after the other and refer to the same picture, the Question looks as if 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. In the end, I see absolutely no reason why you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. Best, Michiel Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 To: E-Prime Subject: Clearing half a screen Hi all, Another noobie question here. I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:40:13 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:40:13 +0100 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <7547f67c-a957-453c-b785-468d7fb012d7@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: How odd! I think E-Prime does supports 24 bit Bitmap files, though, if you wish to preserve your colours. In any case, it supports the bitmaps the indomitable MS Paint supports! Cheers, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun Sent: 30 June 2010 19:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: help a beginner :) Thank you both very much for the help! It was actually I couldn't use 20 Bit bitmap files in my version of E- Prime. I had to change them all to 256 color!! It took me a long time to figure that out lol Thanks anyway :) On Jun 29, 6:28 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Candy & OP, > This is not exactly the case; files should be accessible anywhere on the system, the only problem is that it is A) difficult to move experiments around like that (since the structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) and B) for some people difficult in terms of syntax. The second one seems to be the problem here, with several basic things going wrong: > - Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for files that are on the current PC i.e. C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. > - \ is also an escape character and writing addresses very often goes wrong because of it. In inline, for example, you'd have to use c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 > ... > Because of all this often goes wrong, it's usually better to do it like Candy suggested: just dump everything in the same folder as the experiment and never mind about writing down paths. The only good reason for doing it otherwise is that one might want to have some organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder 'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the place where your experiment is located and use relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as > CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") & "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") > Or something like that. > > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson > Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > > I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but > hopefully will make some sense: > > My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as > the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object > display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as > found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need > to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > > Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute > [filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay > should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > > Hope this helps > > Candy > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From neuropsych76 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:51:28 2010 From: neuropsych76 at gmail.com (cogneuroisfun) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:51:28 -0700 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C23AA@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes, I know other programming languages at decent proficiency (C++, Java) but unfortunately I don't know visual basic that well. Thank you for your helpful reply, it seems as though I was other thinking this way too much :) On Jul 1, 9:37 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I imagine you have had more experience with programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have three screens popping up than repeating the same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean > Start: > -Show picture1 with question1 > -Clear question1 and insert question2 > Goto Start > > Which makes sense in normal programming, but not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as > -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] > -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] > -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] > Since each one is after the other and refer to the same picture, the Question looks as if 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. > > In the end, I see absolutely no reason why you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun > Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Clearing half a screen > > Hi all, > > Another noobie question here. > > I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions > about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 > questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant > all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous > question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen > command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing > the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at > the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen > so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? > > Thank you! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From neuropsych76 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:04:24 2010 From: neuropsych76 at gmail.com (cogneuroisfun) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:04:24 -0700 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject Message-ID: I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last question for awhile :) I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) I'm hoping to have something like this: odd number subjects: order 1- while in fMRI order 2 - different imaging technique even number subjects: order 2- while in fMRI order 1-while in different imaging technique I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging technique. I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in one program that changes based off subject number and group number! Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 17:37:22 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:37:22 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute Message-ID: question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment where each trial may contain a different number of values. for example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From dwivedilab at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 18:43:27 2010 From: dwivedilab at gmail.com (CL) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:43:27 -0700 Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038292C4@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? Or is there a faster, fool- > > proof way to calculate residual reading time in general? > > > Any help is appreciated! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 20:33:33 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:33:33 +0100 Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Message-ID: Hiya, Note: like David mcF, I don't work for PST and perhaps can give you a quicker method. I tend to use Excel a LOT, to the extent the data of the behavioural part of my experiments takes about as much space on my hard-drive as the physiological part. There's a few good reasons one might want to do things on-line in E-Prime, however, in particular in the way your analysis isn't smeared all over various files (and in excel, even within files, across sheets, in various formulas and macros). The only, but rather large downside, to it is that in Excel, at least you already have the formulas for regression and whatnot built in, which saves a lot of time. Anyway, should you ever come up with a good way for calculating residual reading time in E-Prime, please post the answer here for the Greater and Common Good! Cheers, Michiel ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens CL Verzonden: do 1-7-2010 19:43 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? Or is there a faster, fool- > > proof way to calculate residual reading time in general? > > > Any help is appreciated! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Cheers, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 01 July 2010 21:34 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Hiya, Note: like David mcF, I don't work for PST and perhaps can give you a quicker method. I tend to use Excel a LOT, to the extent the data of the behavioural part of my experiments takes about as much space on my hard-drive as the physiological part. There's a few good reasons one might want to do things on-line in E-Prime, however, in particular in the way your analysis isn't smeared all over various files (and in excel, even within files, across sheets, in various formulas and macros). The only, but rather large downside, to it is that in Excel, at least you already have the formulas for regression and whatnot built in, which saves a lot of time. Anyway, should you ever come up with a good way for calculating residual reading time in E-Prime, please post the answer here for the Greater and Common Good! Cheers, Michiel ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens CL Verzonden: do 1-7-2010 19:43 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? 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Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 02 July 2010 14:16 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Question Hi I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? Thanks -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spapé* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology*** > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From urimmele at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 19:57:20 2010 From: urimmele at gmail.com (ulli) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:57:20 -0700 Subject: Data extraction from edat file Message-ID: Hi all, is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? any help would be appreciated! thanks a lot! Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From candy.patterson at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jul 6 11:29:06 2010 From: candy.patterson at hotmail.co.uk (Candy Patterson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 04:29:06 -0700 Subject: Interfacing E-Prime v.1 with EyeLink SR1000 In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03828F5E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. After much altering I have managed to run my E-Prime experiment with an EyeLink eye tracker (several commands are different/not compatible so trial and error to see what does what). Hopefully should get some exciting data to support are current findings. Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 12:00:00 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 05:00:00 -0700 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From or to matlab? I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. Tried anything like that? Best, AW On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > Hi all, > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > any help would be appreciated! > > thanks a lot! > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 14:36:31 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:36:31 +0100 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To add to this, and also not able to provide many tips, I'd suggest merging the files first, THEN exporting. But I suppose that might be too obvious. Anyway, in Matlab, it's pretty easy to just import the whole lot as text format. I think I still have some matlab code, if you need it: names=0; Filenames{1}='Collision 1i-201-1.gazedata'; nSubjects = size(Filenames,2); for cSubject = 1: nSubjects disp(['Subject ' num2str(cSubject) ' of ' num2str(nSubjects) ' reading data']); [EyeData.Subject,EyeData.Session, EyeData.ID, EyeData.TETTime, EyeData.RTTime, EyeData.CursorX, EyeData.CursorY, EyeData.TimestampSec, EyeData.TimestampMicrosec, EyeData.XGazePosLeftEye, EyeData.YGazePosLeftEye, EyeData.XCameraPosLeftEye, EyeData.YCameraPosLeftEye, EyeData.DiameterPupilLeftEye, EyeData.DistanceLeftEye, EyeData.ValidityLeftEye, EyeData.XGazePosRightEye, EyeData.YGazePosRightEye, EyeData.XCameraPosRightEye, EyeData.YCameraPosRightEye, EyeData.DiameterPupilRightEye, EyeData.DistanceRightEye, EyeData.ValidityRightEye, EyeData.Subject, EyeData.TrialNum, EyeData.WhichTask, EyeData.Proc, EyeData.StartPosModCue, EyeData.StartPosModTarget, EyeData.DistractorHidden, EyeData.TargetHitsCue, EyeData.DistractorHitsCue, EyeData.Phase, EyeData.TaskTime, EyeData.ACC, EyeData.RT, EyeData.TargetX, EyeData.TargetY, EyeData.CueX, EyeData.CueY, EyeData.DistractorX, EyeData.DistractorY]=textread(Filenames{cSubject}, '%f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %s %s %f %f %f %f %f %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f', 'delimiter', '\t','headerlines',1); End %Notice that Filenames here only contains one. Furthermore, these gazedata files are Tobii text files, pretty much the same as exported .edat files. \t is tab-based delimiter, and the whole lot is imported in various variable names in MatLab. Hope that helps, sorry for the difficult-to-read code (matlab does that, I find). Cheers, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of liwenna Sent: 06 July 2010 13:00 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Data extraction from edat file >From or to matlab? I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. Tried anything like that? Best, AW On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > Hi all, > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > any help would be appreciated! > > thanks a lot! > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 09:21:45 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:21:45 -0700 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Cogneuroisfun, Could you elaborate a little bit for us? Each subject does the task twice? But this is, I take it, not in one run but in two runs, right? (i.e. set up subject, start e-prime, close e-prime, move subject, start up e-prime again) And there will be two 'fixed' orders? No randomization per subject? If that is correct: wouldn't it be much easier to just make two separate e-prime experiments (one a copy of the other) with two different fixed orders in it and simply use the one when the subject is in the mri, and the other one when the subject is 'in the different imaging technique' ? (nice mysterious description btw ;) ). If not in two runs but in one run than you should have a look at 'labels' (the green flags). You can give a label a name and use an inline with the text 'goto labelname' to make e-prime skip back (!) and forth on a procedure line. So... if you would place the experiment twice with the two different ordered lists both on a procedure you can use a whole series of inline and labels to guide e-prime trough the procedure, i.e for one group skip the first order and then after the 2nd order be redirected back to the start to make the first order and after that directed to the end of the program in order to not make the second order a second time. For instance (read this as a procedure and/or a timeline:) start experiment: "inline: if group is even then goto skip1label" ; backto1label; order1list; "inline: if group is even then goto endlabel" ; skip1label; order2list; " inline: if group is even then goto backto1label"; endlabel. ^ this way the odd group will not be affected by any of the inlines and labels and thus will make the program in the normal order (order1list, order2list). The even group will at the start of the experiment be directed to skip1label and start from there with order2list. After order2list they will be send to backto1lable which is followed by order1list. After order1list they will encounter the inline that sends them to endlabel, which is the end of the experiment. The skip1label is placed áfter the inline that sends the even group to endlabel so that they do not encounter that inline (and be send to endlabel) when the program first skips to skip1label. I hope this is any clear at all >.< Good luck, AW On 1 jul, 18:04, cogneuroisfun wrote: > I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much > more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last > question for awhile :) > > I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm > trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. > So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants > will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in > one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two > different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) > > I'm hoping to have something like this: > > odd number subjects: >                         order 1- while in fMRI >                         order 2 - different imaging technique > > even number subjects: >                      order 2- while in fMRI >                      order 1-while in different imaging technique > > I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate > between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging > technique. > > I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in > one program that changes based off subject number and group number! > > Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 10:06:06 2010 From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:06:06 +0100 Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts Message-ID: dear list, I have a vaguely defined problem, just curious whether there's anyone else on this list who has been running experiments with lots of video clips - to see whether our own problems are typical or not & maybe getting some suggestions for troubleshooting. We're doing sign language experiments, displaying video clips one at a time and collecting a keypress response for each. Video clips are .avi, about 8MB each, and all work fine for display by E-Prime as far as we can tell (eg by running a demo program that displays the videos one at a time in sequence). However when we are running the experiment, at a certain point the experiment tends to freeze, requiring a hard reboot. This is usually while the video is still on screen and a response has been made, in the midst of writing the text file (info logged on a trial), because a line in the text file is not written completely, eg "... DisplayVideo.ACC: 1 DisplayVideo.RT: 1719 DisplayVi" [end of text file] Most of the crashes seem to occur about 1,000,000ms after starting, +/- about 10000msec (If the experiment finishes in about 16min or less, it seems to go fine... so far). Screen saver is disabled, power settings are set to "presentation", anti-virus is not running, etc. I know this is a problem that should be directed to E-Prime's online support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp but I completely dread the idea of waiting a week or two for their first suggestion on such an ill-defined problem. Any suggestions of any kind would be most welcome - my usual troubleshooting approach of re-creating the problem in a very simple test experiment doesn't seem to work here: small scale experiments run perfectly fine. Thanks! dv -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 11:22:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:22:58 +0100 Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts In-Reply-To: <4C34518E.50205@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Just the usual when working with video files: .AVI (audio-video interlace) is not a format; many different formats using a plenitude of different codecs can be called avi (e.g. divx, xvid, etc). The problem is likely either with the files themselves - and if you want, you could re-encode them to a codec that will work better on your PC, using, for example, windows movie maker or some such - or with the codecs that are installed on your PC. This problem is often (and presumably also for the PST helpdesk) difficult to grasp since different installed codecs may sometimes be able to 'understand' the format, yet conflict with one another. I'd suggest cleaning your pc from any codec pack (should such be installed), then try some tried and tested codec pack (e.g. k-lite basic), or install merely the codec required by your video files (I know there are ways of extracting that information, I forgot how, but there's A LOT of pro and amateur video community on the internet). Should that fail, you might have to go through the laborious job of re-encoding all your video. Your problem, however, sounds more like a hardware problem of some sort; does it also occur on different pc's that have different vga-cards and different codecs installed? Hope that helps. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson Sent: 07 July 2010 11:06 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts dear list, I have a vaguely defined problem, just curious whether there's anyone else on this list who has been running experiments with lots of video clips - to see whether our own problems are typical or not & maybe getting some suggestions for troubleshooting. We're doing sign language experiments, displaying video clips one at a time and collecting a keypress response for each. Video clips are .avi, about 8MB each, and all work fine for display by E-Prime as far as we can tell (eg by running a demo program that displays the videos one at a time in sequence). However when we are running the experiment, at a certain point the experiment tends to freeze, requiring a hard reboot. This is usually while the video is still on screen and a response has been made, in the midst of writing the text file (info logged on a trial), because a line in the text file is not written completely, eg "... DisplayVideo.ACC: 1 DisplayVideo.RT: 1719 DisplayVi" [end of text file] Most of the crashes seem to occur about 1,000,000ms after starting, +/- about 10000msec (If the experiment finishes in about 16min or less, it seems to go fine... so far). Screen saver is disabled, power settings are set to "presentation", anti-virus is not running, etc. I know this is a problem that should be directed to E-Prime's online support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp but I completely dread the idea of waiting a week or two for their first suggestion on such an ill-defined problem. Any suggestions of any kind would be most welcome - my usual troubleshooting approach of re-creating the problem in a very simple test experiment doesn't seem to work here: small scale experiments run perfectly fine. Thanks! dv -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 07:01:48 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:01:48 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute In-Reply-To: <0c1ec5a7-bf7f-425f-934f-957756e3ec41@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, You might try something using different 'slidestates'. A slide can contain several 'states' which are basically several versions of the slide... When looking at a slide in e-studio you see in the bottom left corner that it is actually a kind of 'tab'. You can add slidestates by clicking one of the icons in the top menu. This way you could have one state that contains 5 values and one slide that contains 10 and call them... 'five' and 'ten' (or whatever you please). In your triallist you would make a separate variable that would contain the name of the slidestate to be used (call it for instance: nvalues) and for each trial (level) specify a slidestatename in this variable (i.e. five in level1 and ten in level2). Back to the slide: in the preferences you can specify which slidestate of the slide should be shown; set it to show [nvalues] which tells e-prime that the name of the slidestate to be used must be subtracted from the variable nvalues for each showing of the slidestate. This way: for a 5 value's trial value 6 to 10 might be determined by e-prime but as there is no slide shown that 'calls on them' they will be 'bypassed'. Hope this helps! Best, AW On Jul 1, 7:37 pm, Matt Paffel wrote: > question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment > where each trial may contain a different number of values. for > example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while > another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. > the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many > attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize > this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 14:25:26 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (Atieh) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:25:26 -0400 Subject: My First Project Message-ID: Hi all I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of trials, the response was Unexpected. (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the trials the response was Unexpected. On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped onto a response or required access to recently active representations within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for control processing are further detailed below. The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and response selection demands. To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. In addition to the main effects of refreshing and subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Mouse has two buttons..." and so on, will take a bit more effort than even the most hardcore of board-members are willing to give (unless paid by the hour). That's a long story, but the answer is short: 1 first learn E-Prime (getting started guide, user manual, or that e-primer book which has been taken down recently (but i'll do something about it ASAP, possibly turning it into a blog) 2 try your hand at making the experiment 3 note carefully where you get stuck, what you don't understand 4 search the mailinglist and/or forum online as a number of typical problems can easily be solved 5 finally, ask your question here, or over at PST. I do not imagine you can finish writing an experiment like i could finish my handiwork-knitting back when i was 6 and asked the teacher, in utter despair, to please tell me once again how they did it :) Cheers, Mich (whose cobwebs of network-, power- and audio-cables suggest he should have paid more attention!) Michiel M. Spape Research Fellow University of Nottingham -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com on behalf of Atieh Sent: Thu 8-7-2010 15:25 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: My First Project Hi all I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of trials, the response was Unexpected. (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the trials the response was Unexpected. On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped onto a response or required access to recently active representations within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for control processing are further detailed below. The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and response selection demands. To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. In addition to the main effects of refreshing and subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Good luck! -Ashty On Jul 8, 6:25 pm, Atieh wrote: > Hi all > I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need > to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't > know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this > task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : > > Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 > > Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during > Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response > > (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words > followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the > expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was > presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were > two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or > Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. > > (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat > trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of > trials, the response was Unexpected. > > (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly > repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number > in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of > the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the > trials the response was Unexpected. > > On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and > then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to > be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either > the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response > selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped > onto a response or required access to recently active representations > within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and > subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for > control processing are further detailed below. > The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by > arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, > based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the > trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were > instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having > done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's > memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the > response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the > bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the > Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of > Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words > in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, > during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was > incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, > analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required > selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the > face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to > Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias > or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather > than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any > sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and > response selection demands. > To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration > demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict > was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal > entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a > recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the > Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that > required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with > some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an > unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were > Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than > a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal > position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects > were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the > number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. > Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat > condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active > representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials > further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response > cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh > trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with > the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the > target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal > en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response > independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction > that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized > refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in > refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between > Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is > critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need > to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, > because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. > In addition to the main effects of refreshing and > subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within > the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh > trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias > cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation > cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared > representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh > trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response > was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the > Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of > conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. > >  0.gif > 17KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 16:45:12 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:45:12 -0400 Subject: My First Project In-Reply-To: <8a005e3b-38d1-4900-9c57-e94511577e72@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi All Thank you for your answers ... I will do things that you said ...I understood that it was odd to ask for whole project so I will ask my problems next time :) Cheers :) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Ashtyster wrote: > Hi Atieh, > > I fully agree with the reply you got from Michael. Just one more thing > to add. If you need to have the E-Prime script ready very soon, and > you don't feel like you've got enough time to learn by reading all the > manuals, you can try to search online for a sample script for a task > similar to yours. You can ask your colleagues for one as well. You can > look at the script, try to understand how it is organized, and then > modify it according to your needs (or even write a new one). > > Good luck! > > -Ashty > > On Jul 8, 6:25 pm, Atieh wrote: > > Hi all > > I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need > > to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't > > know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this > > task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task > : > > > > Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 > > > > Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during > > Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response > > > > (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words > > followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the > > expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was > > presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were > > two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or > > Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. > > > > (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects > > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat > > trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of > > trials, the response was Unexpected. > > > > (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly > > repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number > > in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of > > the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the > > trials the response was Unexpected. > > > > On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and > > then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to > > be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either > > the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response > > selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped > > onto a response or required access to recently active representations > > within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and > > subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for > > control processing are further detailed below. > > The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by > > arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, > > based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the > > trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were > > instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having > > done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's > > memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the > > response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the > > bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the > > Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of > > Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words > > in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, > > during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was > > incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, > > analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required > > selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the > > face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to > > Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias > > or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather > > than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any > > sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and > > response selection demands. > > To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration > > demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict > > was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal > > entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a > > recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the > > Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that > > required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with > > some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an > > unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were > > Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than > > a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal > > position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects > > were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the > > number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. > > Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat > > condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active > > representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials > > further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response > > cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh > > trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with > > the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the > > target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal > > en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response > > independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction > > that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized > > refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in > > refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between > > Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is > > critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need > > to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, > > because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. > > In addition to the main effects of refreshing and > > subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within > > the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh > > trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias > > cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation > > cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared > > representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh > > trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response > > was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the > > Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of > > conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. > > > > 0.gif > > 17KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:04:27 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:04:27 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute In-Reply-To: <49793ace-aa94-4db1-bbb5-21db5bc09ebc@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Liwenna, I'll look into it. On Jul 8, 2:01 am, liwenna wrote: > Hi Matt, > > You might try something using different 'slidestates'. A slide can > contain several 'states' which are basically several versions of the > slide... When looking at a slide in e-studio you see in the bottom > left corner that it is actually a kind of 'tab'. You can add > slidestates by clicking one of the icons in the top menu. This way you > could have one state that contains 5 values and one slide that > contains 10 and call them... 'five' and 'ten' (or whatever you > please). In your triallist you would make a separate variable that > would contain the name of the slidestate to be used (call it for > instance: nvalues) and for each trial (level) specify a slidestatename > in this variable (i.e. five in level1 and ten in level2). Back to the > slide: in the preferences you can specify which slidestate of the > slide should be shown; set it to show [nvalues] which tells e-prime > that the name of the slidestate to be used must be subtracted from the > variable nvalues for each showing of the slidestate. This way: for a 5 > value's trial value 6 to 10 might be determined by e-prime but as > there is no slide shown that 'calls on them' they will be 'bypassed'. > > Hope this helps! > > Best, > > AW > > On Jul 1, 7:37 pm, Matt Paffel wrote: > > > > > question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment > > where each trial may contain a different number of values. for > > example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while > > another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. > > the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many > > attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize > > this?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From hester.duffy at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:09:16 2010 From: hester.duffy at gmail.com (Hester Duffy) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:09:16 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing Message-ID: Hi All, This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an obvious answer! I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I don't think it's the list properties at fault either. Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right direction! I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. Many thanks for any pointers! H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:15:18 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:15:18 -0400 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C27B1@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mich Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . Best, On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape < Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of > these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and > the latter to one. That way, there’s a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being > unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spapé* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology*** > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 09:09:51 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:09:51 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, As I totally follow you when you say it would crash if it couldn't find the files, or if they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's not playing them, because it skips the SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline just before the object that plays the file and check whether it actually points correctly; whether the inline is encountered, etc. You could, for example, enter this in the user part of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): Dim trialnum as integer Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: Trialnum = trialnum + 1 Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename Then, simply check whether trials are skipped and whether all ...should plays... are filled. Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if that causes problems, but you could always test that. Best, Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Sound files not playing Hi All, This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an obvious answer! I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I don't think it's the list properties at fault either. Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right direction! I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. Many thanks for any pointers! H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From hester.duffy at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 10:22:03 2010 From: hester.duffy at gmail.com (Hester Duffy) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0395529C@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for your suggestion! It looks as though switching the sound file from buffered to streaming may have fixed the problem, but if it does it again, I shall try this! We're using .wavs, and they're all very short files, around 2 seconds or less. Cheers, H On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > As I totally follow you when you say it would crash if it couldn't find the files, or if they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's not playing them, because it skips the SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline just before the object that plays the file and check whether it actually points correctly; whether the inline is encountered, etc. You could, for example, enter this in the user part of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): > Dim trialnum as integer > > Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: > Trialnum = trialnum + 1 > > Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: > Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename > > Then, simply check whether trials are skipped and whether all ...should plays... are filled. > > Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if that causes problems, but you could always test that. > Best, > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy > Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Sound files not playing > > Hi All, > > This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only > really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an > obvious answer! > I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for > keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being > played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are > properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure > they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding > them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't > find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I > don't think it's the list properties at fault either. > Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not > getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right > direction! > > I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. > > Many thanks for any pointers! > > H > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 12:18:07 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:18:07 +0100 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're quite right - the server has been moved (or taken down, I don't know). I'm currently putting a new version online: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf Other essential things, such as my CV, will have to wait, I'm afraid (in dire need of updating anyway). Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 08 July 2010 18:15 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question Hi Mich Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . Best, On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape wrote: Hi, If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and the latter to one. That way, there's a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu , find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 02 July 2010 14:16 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Question Hi I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? Thanks -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 13:21:43 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:21:43 -0400 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF039553A4@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks... This will be help me a lot . Regards, Atieh Bakhtiar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Michiel Spape < Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > You’re quite right – the server has been moved (or taken down, I don’t > know). I’m currently putting a new version online: > > http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf > > Other essential things, such as my CV, will have to wait, I’m afraid (in > dire need of updating anyway). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > > > *Michiel Spapé* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psycholog* > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 08 July 2010 18:15 > > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Question > > > > Hi Mich > > Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . > > Best, > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape < > Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of > these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and > the latter to one. That way, there’s a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being > unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spapé* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology* > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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However, when I try to use the buttons through a serial port the following happens: under the experiment tab and under devices I added a serial device and put in the correct parameters for the device, including the correct address (COM1). Now when I go to the object which I want the buttons responses to be recorded on and try to add the serial port as an input device, there is no option for a serial port. There are only options for a keyboard, mouse, and parallel port. Honestly, I am also unsure if, for some reason, the computer is unable to detect the device connected through the serial port. But, it works just fine for the parallel. I did not do the wiring for the serial port adapter but the buttons are connected to pin 1 or pin 2 (depending on the button), with what looks like a ground connected to pin 5. Any ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 19:21:30 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:21:30 -0400 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <2947a6e9-e2e9-4f1a-93d8-afe89f1c96bf@w10g2000vbn.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: By way of background, are these response devices that you have previously used with a serial port, and now they no longer work? Or is this the first time you have tried to use these with a serial port? If you have successfully used these before with a serial port then I would be very interested, because as a general rule getting input via serial port requires a lot more electronics than merely connecting a wire to the port, as you would know by looking up any common reference on serial ports. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/13/2010 02:46 PM Tuesday, you wrote: >I have recently created several response devices that are basically >wires connected to buttons that feed in to either a serial port or a >parallel port (depending on which we need to use). I am using e-prime >2.0 for this and setting up the parallel port was relatively easy and >the buttons work just fine. However, when I try to use the buttons >through a serial port the following happens: under the experiment tab >and under devices I added a serial device and put in the correct >parameters for the device, including the correct address (COM1). Now >when I go to the object which I want the buttons responses to be >recorded on and try to add the serial port as an input device, there >is no option for a serial port. There are only options for a keyboard, >mouse, and parallel port. > >Honestly, I am also unsure if, for some reason, the computer is unable >to detect the device connected through the serial port. But, it works >just fine for the parallel. I did not do the wiring for the serial >port adapter but the buttons are connected to pin 1 or pin 2 >(depending on the button), with what looks like a ground connected to >pin 5. > >Any ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 20:36:47 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:36:47 -0400 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also make sure that you run this under Windows XP, not Vista. EP2 is known to have problems with sound under Vista. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/9/2010 06:22 AM Friday, you wrote: >Thanks for your suggestion! > >It looks as though switching the sound file from buffered to streaming >may have fixed the problem, but if it does it again, I shall try this! > >We're using .wavs, and they're all very short files, around 2 seconds or less. > >Cheers, > >H > > >On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hiya, > > As I totally follow you when you say it would > crash if it couldn't find the files, or if > they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's > not playing them, because it skips the > SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline > just before the object that plays the file and > check whether it actually points correctly; > whether the inline is encountered, etc. You > could, for example, enter this in the user part > of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): > > Dim trialnum as integer > > > > Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: > > Trialnum = trialnum + 1 > > > > Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: > > Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename > > > > Then, simply check whether trials are skipped > and whether all ...should plays... are filled. > > > > Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if > that causes problems, but you could always test that. > > Best, > > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy > > Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > Subject: Sound files not playing > > > > Hi All, > > > > This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only > > really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an > > obvious answer! > > I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for > > keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being > > played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are > > properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure > > they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding > > them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't > > find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I > > don't think it's the list properties at fault either. > > Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not > > getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right > > direction! > > > > I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. > > > > Many thanks for any pointers! > > > > H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:03:25 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:03:25 -0700 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <4c3cbcc9.ccbce70a.31bf.ffffd9ffSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: The buttons are connected to an adapter via RCA cables. We have an adapter for a parallel port and for a serial port. The adapters were supposedly made by a colleagues engineering department at his university, they also hooked the wires up inside of the adapter to the pins I mentioned earlier. Pins 1 and 2 for buttons 1 and 2 and pin 5 for a ground. The buttons and adapter for the parallel port work just fine in Eprime 2.0. However, the serial port and adapter does not. And this is the first time that we have tried them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 21:05:49 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:05:49 -0400 Subject: Uploading files to the Group? Message-ID: At 6/30/2010 01:03 PM Wednesday, Michiel Spape wrote (in http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/94dfffb6e6d8ce71 ): >By the way, it would be brilliant if we could update experiments >here, but I think at the moment, one has to be moderator in order to >do this. This is really a shame as it stops this group from reaching >its full potential as a board of discussion and international >collaboration in psychology and associated sciences. Indeed, I have been preparing some little demo programs as part of my "Mastering E-Prime" series, but if I cannot upload these files to the Group then I cannot present my lessons. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 21:16:26 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:16:26 -0400 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <69dbb63b-e636-4847-8e77-e0e710200d1d@e5g2000yqn.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: >this is the first time that we have tried them [serial port and adapter]. And that is the key factor here. I think you should give up on the serial port, there is a reason that the PST Serial Response Box costs $700. But if you want to persist, here are a few thoughts: 1) Get the book "Serial Port Complete" by Jan Axelson. 2) Build your serial adapter to emulate the SRBox, then just treat it as an ordinary SRBox in EP. If you examine the SRBox communications with a simple terminal emulater (e.g., Terminal Plus!) then you should be able to reverse engineer it. 3) Just purchase a PST SRBox, then you can connect your button box to the SRBox and let the SRBox act as the serial adapter. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:44:28 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:44:28 -0700 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <4c3cd7db.ccbce70a.35a1.ffffe32cSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the suggestions I will look in to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 22:57:29 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:57:29 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen Message-ID: G'day I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts to a single screen. -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) My Experiment: I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi choice question. Problem: I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out success either. Many thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jlsmith at aecom.yu.edu Tue Jul 13 23:18:36 2010 From: jlsmith at aecom.yu.edu (Jeremy Smith Ph.D.) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it something they could "page" through by pressing a button? (You could split the passages into several slides.) If it's just a matter of fitting the text in the text box, select the text box itself and drag its corners to resize (assuming the text is on a general slide- slide and not a text display). Be sure to leave some white space around the text box. __________________________ Jeremy L. Smith, Ph.D. Neuroscientist/DBIT Gruss MRRC, AECOM On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > G'day > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > to a single screen. > -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > choice question. > > Problem: > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > success either. > > Many thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:57:32 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:57:32 -0400 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you can increase the screen resolution under Edit>Experiment... make the screen bigger that way. additionally, have you fiddled with the font size? make the font smaller. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > G'day > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > to a single screen. > -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > choice question. > > Problem: > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > success either. > > Many thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liatlevita at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 16:01:43 2010 From: liatlevita at gmail.com (Liat Levita) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:01:43 +0100 Subject: load sound 203 error message Message-ID: Dear All, I recently updated my version of E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I try to run my script, which ran smoothly on version 2.0.8.22, we get an error message about being unalble to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been chnaged in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says to look up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,I attach that output here (Joyful_Classic.wav-AudioLoadReport), as well as our paradigm. We would appreciate your help very much., This is a rather serious problem since we can now no longer run our experiment. Regards, Liat PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we orginally had real issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) ------AudioReport file ouput ----- *-* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *0* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* * * *Unknown* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *-* *-* * * *2* * * *1000* * * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run CodecConfig and try again.* * * * * * * * * * * *-* *-* * * *1* * * *-10729902* * * * * * * * * * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.head at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 21:31:28 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:31:28 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately I need the whole text to be on one page. I am getting some Near Infared Spec measures while they read the text. Thank you for the suggestion though. On Jul 14, 11:18 am, "Jeremy Smith Ph.D." wrote: > Is it something they could "page" through by pressing a button?  (You   > could split the passages into several slides.) If it's just a matter   > of fitting the text in the text box, select the text box itself and   > drag its corners to resize (assuming the text is on a general slide- > slide and not a text display).  Be sure to leave some white space   > around the text box. > > __________________________ > Jeremy L. Smith, Ph.D. > Neuroscientist/DBIT > Gruss MRRC, AECOM > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > > > > > G'day > > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > > to a single screen. > >  -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > > choice question. > > > Problem: > > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > > display.  I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > > success either. > > > Many thanks > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google   > > Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en > > .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 02:49:31 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:49:31 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben, Worked like a charm, Thanks! On Jul 15, 12:57 am, ben robinson wrote: > you can increase the screen resolution under Edit>Experiment... make the > screen bigger that way. > additionally, have you fiddled with the font size?  make the font smaller. > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > > G'day > > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > > to a single screen. > >  -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > > choice question. > > > Problem: > > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > > display.  I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > > success either. > > > Many thanks > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liatlevita at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 08:25:31 2010 From: liatlevita at gmail.com (Liat Levita) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:25:31 +0100 Subject: Eprime 2-sound file problem Message-ID: Dear All, After updating E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I try to run my script, which ran smoothly on previous Eprime2, I get an error message about being unable to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been changed in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says to look up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,which, I pasted below. This is a rather serious problem since we can now no longer run our experiment, and I have saw someone else on the eprime support forum have exactly the same problem, but no solution has yet been posted. Regards, Liat PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we originally had serious issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) ------AudioReport file ouput ----- *-* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *0* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* * * *Unknown* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *-* *-* * * *2* * * *1000* * * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run CodecConfig and try again.* * * * * * * * * * * *-* *-* * * *1* * * *-10729902* * * * * * * * * * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susangc7 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 14:05:38 2010 From: susangc7 at gmail.com (Susan) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:05:38 -0700 Subject: load sound 203 error message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi List, What happened when you ran CodecConfig? I got this message on a couple of computers, but it's worked for me after that step. (CodecConfig should be in the same folder with E-Studio, IIRC, if you can't find it.) Thanks, Susan On Jul 14, 12:01 pm, Liat Levita wrote: > Dear All, > I recently updated  my version of E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I > try to run my script, which ran smoothly on version 2.0.8.22, we get an > error message about being unalble to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been > chnaged in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says to look > up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,I attach that output > here (Joyful_Classic.wav-AudioLoadReport), as well as our paradigm. > > We would appreciate your help very much., This is a rather serious problem > since we can now no longer run our experiment. > > Regards, > Liat > PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we orginally had real issues with > our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) > > ------AudioReport file ouput ----- > > *-* > >  *-* > >  *-* > >  * * *0* >  * * *0* >  * * *1* >  * * *0* >  * * *0* >  * * *0* >  * * *1* >  *-* > >  *-* > >  * * *0* >  * * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* Source> >  * * *Unknown* >  * * *0* >  * * *0* >  * * *1* >  * * >  *-* > >  *-* > >  * * *2* >  * * *1000* >  * * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run > CodecConfig and try again.* > * * > * * >  * * > * * > * * >  *-* > >  *-* > >  * * *1* >  * * *-10729902* > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schubertt at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 16:01:05 2010 From: schubertt at gmail.com (Teresa) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0700 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? Message-ID: Hello all, My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block. I know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has reached criterion AND ...etc. Let me know if that's unclear at all, and thank you for any ideas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 15 16:55:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:55:58 +0100 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Where do you get stuck, exactly? I mean, since you seem to be able to do the counting and repeating for one 'general' type of trial, what exactly is the difficulty with using many? Of course, you could do this in various ingenious ways using nice arrays and whatnot, but a ton of if-then algorithms should suffice, I'd think. So, different counters for different stimuli: - Instead of declaring and counting one counter, have many. Say, we want our subject to do each of two stimulustypes 6 times: Userscript: Dim CounterStimulusType1 as integer Dim CounterStimulusType2 as integer Trial: If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 1 then CounterStimulusType1 = CounterStimulusType1 + 1 If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 2 then CounterStimulusType2 = CounterStimulusType2 + 1 ... etc If (CounterStimulusType1 >= 6) AND (CounterStimulusType2 >= 6) then 'if either one hasn't reached 6 Don't do repetition code Else Do repetition code End if Or am I missing something? Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: 15 July 2010 17:01 To: E-Prime Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? Hello all, My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block. I know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has reached criterion AND ...etc. Let me know if that's unclear at all, and thank you for any ideas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 15 18:46:03 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:46:03 -0400 Subject: Eprime 2-sound file problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Liat, EP2.0.8.74 seems to have introduced new bugs with sound (movies too, it seems). I recommend simply reverting to 2.0.8.22 until PST comes out with a fix, you almost certainly do not need whatever they added in 2.0.8.74. In the meantime, please also submit a request to PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp so that they might take notice and fix this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/15/2010 04:25 AM Thursday, you wrote: >Dear All, >After updating E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I try to run my >script, which ran smoothly on previous Eprime2, I get an error >message about being unable to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been >changed in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says >to look up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,which, >I pasted below. > >This is a rather serious problem since we can now no longer run our >experiment, and I have saw someone else on the eprime support forum >have exactly the same problem, but no solution has yet been posted. > >Regards, >Liat >PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we originally had serious >issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 15 20:59:28 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:59:28 -0400 Subject: How to create a reusable template? In-Reply-To: <693A3E25-3455-4265-A91E-127EF8AAEFA1@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: In EP2.0.8.22 (and perhaps earlier) there is an easier way. Simply put a copy of whatever .es2 file you like into the Templates folder of the E-Prime 2.0 program directory. Then that .es2 file will show up as an option in the "New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment" dialog. You may add and remove templates to suit your own needs. EP2.0.8.73/74 improves on this by adding options (under Tools > Options) to allow you to set any folder as a Templates folder. I don't know where PST intends to document this, I don't see it in the New Features Guide for EP2. I only know about this because PST staff was nice enough to answer when I asked about this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 6/25/2010 03:36 PM Friday, Chris Blais wrote: >Perhaps more primitive, but when I want to do that, I just set the >file to readonly at the OS level (i.e., right click, properties, readonly). >If you try to save over it, it won't let you. > >On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:20 PM, dpschpak wrote: > > > I was wondering if there is a way I can create my own template to show > > up as an option in the dialog box when I start up E-Studio? The > > options would read for example: > > > > Blank Blank(Professional) Basic Basic(Professional) > > PersonalizedTemplate > > > > I am trying to avoid the potential for future RAs to accidentally Save > > over a template file that is just in a folder rather than Save As, and > > subsequently having their world collapse around them. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Fri Jul 16 10:17:41 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:17:41 -0700 Subject: Using WordWrap with Text Display Message-ID: Hi All, I am having problems with the TextDisplay Wordwrap option. I have tried this with v1(SP3) and v2.0.8.22. Is there a bug in the software? I have also posted this problem on the PST forum with an attached example file. Cheers Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schubertt at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 15:01:39 2010 From: schubertt at gmail.com (Teresa) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:01:39 -0700 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A228@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you! I realize it was a quite simple question, but that was exactly what I was stuck on. On Jul 15, 12:55 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > Where do you get stuck, exactly? I mean, since you seem to be able to do the counting and repeating for one 'general' type of trial, what exactly is the difficulty with using many? Of course, you could do this in various ingenious ways using nice arrays and whatnot, but a ton of if-then algorithms should suffice, I'd think. > So, different counters for different stimuli: > - Instead of declaring and counting one counter, have many. Say, we want our subject to do each of two stimulustypes 6 times: > Userscript: > Dim CounterStimulusType1 as integer > Dim CounterStimulusType2 as integer > > Trial: > If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 1 then CounterStimulusType1 = CounterStimulusType1 + 1 > If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 2 then CounterStimulusType2 = CounterStimulusType2 + 1 > ... etc > > If (CounterStimulusType1 >= 6) AND (CounterStimulusType2 >= 6) then 'if either one hasn't reached 6 >         Don't do repetition code > Else >         Do repetition code > End if > > Or am I missing something? > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa > Sent: 15 July 2010 17:01 > To: E-Prime > Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? > > Hello all, > My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 > correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block.  I > know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter > and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't > know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a > counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together > such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for > stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has > reached criterion AND ...etc.  Let me know if that's unclear at all, > and thank you for any ideas! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:31:41 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (Atieh) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: Send a Signal from E-Prime to COBI Message-ID: Hi All I want to send a signal through serial port from e-prime to an external device (fNIR COBI system) but I don't know what I have to include in my "inline" object . Also, which stage of my e-prime program I should insert the serial port object. I really appriciate if somebody help me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 05:01:47 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:01:47 -0700 Subject: Near infrared Spec/Exp/Harmony Message-ID: G'day, Situation: I have a near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) machine that I would like to run in conjunction with an Eprime experiment. The NIRS machine is able to connect to the computer via Bluetooth connection. Unfortunately there is no hardwiring connection. I was able to see that the computer is receiving a signal through the com 5 port. I would like to get a NIRS measurement during target exposure. I am not exactly sure how to treat the Bluetooth connection in Eprime. Seems like most of the lit deals with serial& // port connections. I thought I could add ‘Port’ device to ‘Input Masks’ in my experiment but that does not seem to work. Questions: Do I need to write inline script for this to work? I have scoured the forums/web and could not find an example that deals with Bluetooth device connection. If anyone has an example script or even knows where I can look that would be wicked sweet. Future thanks, Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 14:34:11 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:34:11 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Message-ID: Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 14:41:00 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: how much text are you talking about? eprime's default screen resolution is only 640x480, which is *tiny*. and their default font size is pretty large. if you're using both of these defaults you may simply find there's not a lot of text you can fit all on the screen at one time... On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Evertox wrote: > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 14:58:33 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:58:33 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean ----------- dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s ---------- How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 15:39:41 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:39:41 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A82E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oops, there's a slight problem with the code below; sorry about that. This should work better: dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 1+len(inputstring)-previousnum) debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s tring ------------ Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 19 July 2010 15:59 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi, Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean ----------- dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s ---------- How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 15:45:15 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:45:15 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A82E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it is on the pstnet forum - http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word document. Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so they cannot see what they have typed. As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? >         The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. >         Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. >         The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > ----------- > > dim inputstring as string > dim outputstring as string > dim previousnum as integer > dim i as integer > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > previousnum = 1 > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 >         outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" >         previousnum = i > next i > > debug.print outputstring > ------------ > Output: > This > is an >  exam > ple s > > ---------- > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 16:13:30 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:13:30 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <7b7ddcb4-f009-467c-8aba-3007634ecaa3@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Anthony, First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP Goto Label1 End if If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi Michiel, First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it is on the pstnet forum - http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word document. Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so they cannot see what they have typed. As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? >         The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. >         Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. >         The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > ----------- > > dim inputstring as string > dim outputstring as string > dim previousnum as integer > dim i as integer > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > previousnum = 1 > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 >         outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" >         previousnum = i > next i > > debug.print outputstring > ------------ > Output: > This > is an >  exam > ple s > > ---------- > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 16:47:59 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:47:59 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A872@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a small subject group for user support. I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. I used to be able to do this a while back. I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is mentioned in the help files. I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 5:13 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Anthony, > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then >         TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP >         Goto Label1 > End if > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > document. > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > they cannot see what they have typed. > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > >         The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > >         Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > >         The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > ----------- > > > dim inputstring as string > > dim outputstring as string > > dim previousnum as integer > > dim i as integer > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > previousnum = 1 > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > >         outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > >         previousnum = i > > next i > > > debug.print outputstring > > ------------ > > Output: > > This > > is an > >  exam > > ple s > > > ---------- > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hello, > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > ALL shown on the screen. > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > this. > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > Anthony McGuffie > > Coventry University > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 17:19:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:19:58 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Message-ID: Hiya, If you like, you are welcome to email the e-prime 1 file to me; I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens Evertox Verzonden: ma 19-7-2010 17:47 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi Michiel, I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a small subject group for user support. I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. I used to be able to do this a while back. I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is mentioned in the help files. I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 5:13 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Anthony, > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then > TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP > Goto Label1 > End if > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > document. > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > they cannot see what they have typed. > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > > The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > > Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > > The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > ----------- > > > dim inputstring as string > > dim outputstring as string > > dim previousnum as integer > > dim i as integer > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > previousnum = 1 > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > > outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > > previousnum = i > > next i > > > debug.print outputstring > > ------------ > > Output: > > This > > is an > > exam > > ple s > > > ---------- > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hello, > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > ALL shown on the screen. > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > this. > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > Anthony McGuffie > > Coventry University > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Subjects are presented with 10 to 20 target opportunities and receive a 1 for correct and a 0 for incorrect detection of the signals. I want to assign a single measure of sensitivity to each subject based on hits at the various levels of the signal strength. Each target does have an indirect measure of “noise” in the form of subject matter expert agreement as to the true level of the signal strength. So for example, a certain target may have perfect SME agreement and thus theoretically have no noise while another may have 10% SME disagreement as to its true signal strength and thus have that degree of noise. Any assistance any one could offer would be very much appreciated. Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 12:33:25 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:33:25 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAFF0BC38@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just to let everyone know. With the help of Michiel, i have resolved the problem. Unlike Microsoft Word and NotePad, the wordwrap option in E-Prime requires a SPACE inserted on each line. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 6:19 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > If you like, you are welcome to email the e-prime 1 file to me; I'll have a look at it tomorrow. > Best, > Mich > > ________________________________ > > Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens Evertox > Verzonden: ma 19-7-2010 17:47 > Aan: E-Prime > Onderwerp: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a > small subject group for user support. > > I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. > I used to be able to do this a while back. > > I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and > just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. > > CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is > mentioned in the help files. > > I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I > will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 5:13 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then > >         TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP > >         Goto Label1 > > End if > > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hi Michiel, > > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > > document. > > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > > they cannot see what they have typed. > > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > > Cheers > > > Anthony McGuffie > > > On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > > >         The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > > >         Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > > >         The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > > ----------- > > > > dim inputstring as string > > > dim outputstring as string > > > dim previousnum as integer > > > dim i as integer > > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > > previousnum = 1 > > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > > >         outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > > >         previousnum = i > > > next i > > > > debug.print outputstring > > > ------------ > > > Output: > > > This > > > is an > > >  exam > > > ple s > > > > ---------- > > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > > Best, > > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spapé > > > Research Fellow > > > Perception & Action group > > > University of Nottingham > > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > > To: E-Prime > > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > > Hello, > > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > > ALL shown on the screen. > > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > > this. > > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > > Anthony McGuffie > > > Coventry University > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From huskypuplab at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 15:14:17 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:14:17 -0700 Subject: Movie issues Message-ID: Greetings, Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really find anything. The closest thing we could find would be: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/23309095770f9615/46650da6fe80f2a1 Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload the movie." At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- prime. Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 15:07:02 2010 From: jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk (jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:07:02 -0700 Subject: courses for e-prime Message-ID: Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From meg.andrejczuk at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 15:10:16 2010 From: meg.andrejczuk at gmail.com (Megan Andrejczuk) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:10:16 -0400 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: <325b9fd2-38f4-4c18-9a1a-5f6aa0a65975@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: I have been very interested in an eprime course also! Jane, if you do come across any info would you mind passing it along and I will do the same? Thanks! Meg On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk < jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even > better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach > a group of staff? 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 15:20:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:20:57 +0100 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Bring me over J In the meantime, there's the infamously imperfect E-Primer on here: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf and should that fail to load, right click on the file here, and save as: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/ Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Megan Andrejczuk Sent: 23 July 2010 16:10 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: courses for e-prime I have been very interested in an eprime course also! Jane, if you do come across any info would you mind passing it along and I will do the same? Thanks! Meg On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk wrote: Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huskypuplab at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 19:15:27 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:15:27 -0700 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some additional information: We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. On Jul 22, 11:14 am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > Greetings, > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > find anything. > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > >  The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > the movie." > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > prime. > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From rayv at uoregon.edu Fri Jul 23 23:27:35 2010 From: rayv at uoregon.edu (Ray Vukcevich) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:27:35 -0700 Subject: No parallel port for upgrade Message-ID: We are attempting to install an upgrade version 2 of e-prime on a newer laptop that has NO parallel port. During the upgrade validation process, the installer wants the old v. 1 key to be attached, but there is no parallel port to connect it. Is there a workaround for this issue? Someone know what to do? Thanks. Ray -- Ray Vukcevich University of Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 08:07:14 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:07:14 +0100 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: <4ed8b231-87b9-49b1-a5ba-e96a58cfddc2@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, Have you tried: A - running the same experiment on a different computer? B - cleaning the computer from all 3rd party codecs and whatnot, and then, perhaps installing something like k-lite codec pack? Different codecs very often conflict with one another. C - using the movieRT file with your experiment (or vice versa)? If the movieRT experiment can't run your video, but can run its own video, it's very likely still a codec problem. Conversely, if your experiment can't run the movieRT video file, I would think there's a problem with your experiment (rather than the video file). Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bortfeld Sent: 23 July 2010 20:15 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Movie issues Some additional information: We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. On Jul 22, 11:14 am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > Greetings, > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > find anything. > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > >  The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > the movie." > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > prime. > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From huskypuplab at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:28:17 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:28:17 -0700 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A96BD9@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, Thanks for your input. A-We tried, and we're still getting the same errors. B-We tried that, to no avail C-We're not exactly sure how to go about interchanging videos in the movieRT file. We've looked all over, but we're not sure to input our movie source. At this point, we're pretty sure it's a codec issue, and we're emailing the e-prime group. We just thought we'd try our luck here since we could get a faster response. Thanks for your input! Another question we have though, is that we're planning on getting a dedicated machine for our experiments, that will have 3-4 monitors connected to it. We're going to be running e-prime 2.0 on windows XP, and RAM should not be an issue. However, we were wondering if anyone could suggest a good videocard that might be able to get the job done. Thanks! On Jul 26, 4:07 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Have you tried: > A - running the same experiment on a different computer? > B - cleaning the computer from all 3rd party codecs and whatnot, and then, perhaps installing something like k-lite codec pack? Different codecs very often conflict with one another. > C - using the movieRT file with your experiment (or vice versa)? If the movieRT experiment can't run your video, but can run its own video, it's very likely still a codec problem. Conversely, if your experiment can't run the movieRT video file, I would think there's a problem with your experiment (rather than the video file). > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bortfeld > Sent: 23 July 2010 20:15 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Movie issues > > Some additional information: > We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a > position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but > judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video > cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. > > On Jul 22, 11:14 am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > > Greetings, > > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > > find anything. > > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > > >  The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > > the movie." > > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > > prime. > > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > > file? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Jul 26 21:02:21 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:02:21 -0400 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A96AD2@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I would gladly run an E-Prime training workshop, if someone could arrange the facilities and take care of bookkeeping, etc. I would base this on workshops that I already conduct for people at my institution, and could teach both basic and advanced levels as needed. We would have to discuss details such as fees, travel, lodging, etc. Please e-mail me separately if interested. Mich, don't you already run E-Prime training sessions for folks over there in Europe? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/23/2010 11:20 AM Friday, Michiel Spapé wrote: >Hiya, >Bring me over J >In the meantime, there’s the infamously imperfect E-Primer on here: >http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf >and should that fail to load, right click on the file here, and save as: >http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/ > >Mich > >Michiel Spapé >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Megan Andrejczuk >Sent: 23 July 2010 16:10 >To: e-prime at googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: courses for e-prime > >I have been very interested in an eprime course >also! Jane, if you do come across any info would >you mind passing it along and I will do the same? > >Thanks! > >Meg >On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, >jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk ><jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk> wrote: >Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even >better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach >a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Jul 26 21:06:30 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:06:30 -0400 Subject: Using WordWrap with Text Display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to wrap up this thread for the record, this issue got re-posted and solved at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/6ecee8f8983f7cb2 . -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/16/2010 06:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: >Hi All, >I am having problems with the TextDisplay Wordwrap option. >I have tried this with v1(SP3) and v2.0.8.22. >Is there a bug in the software? >I have also posted this problem on the PST forum with an attached >example file. >Cheers >Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 14:54:30 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:54:30 -0700 Subject: Using mouse as input device Message-ID: Hi all, Before burdening the group with a question with probably a very simple answer I have scoured this group, the pst forum and the user manuals for help with this but to no avail, and alas none of my colleagues use E-prime so I'm at a loss. So I am once again turning to you for help with this programme. In all my previous experiments I have created I have always used the keyboard as the input device for participants responses. However for this experiment it is not possible. There are a few conditions but for the most simple I merely need the participant to click on a picture when it appears onscreen using the mouse. It is not really so important where on the screen they click (so the location of the click won't be recorded).Really, all I need to know is how to set it so the allowable response for the mouse is to left click. This is what I want to be the terminating factor in a trial, in the same way that I would type {SPACE} if I were using the keyboard as the input device. I am completely at a loss as to why I can't find this information myself online/ in the beginner's guide/ reference guide. Can any one help me out? Or have I simply lost my mind? Yours, in semi sanity, Aoife McLoughlin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 15:04:48 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:04:48 -0700 Subject: Using mouse as input device In-Reply-To: <12e0110b-f087-4f50-ab33-3d76fa609665@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Found it!!!!!!!!! Sometimes I guess you need to just take a break for a few minutes. 1 = left button, 2= right button (for anyone else who hadn't understood that instinctively) ! Thanks anyway guys :) On Jul 28, 3:54 pm, aoifemcloughlin wrote: > Hi all, > > Before burdening the group with a question with probably a very simple > answer I have scoured this group, the pst forum and the user manuals > for help with this but to no avail, and alas none of my colleagues use > E-prime so I'm at a loss. So I am once again turning to you for help > with this programme. > > In all my previous experiments I have created I have always used the > keyboard as the input device for participants responses. However for > this experiment it is not possible. There are a few conditions but for > the most simple I merely need the participant to click on a picture > when it appears onscreen using the mouse. It is not really so > important where on the screen they click (so the location of the click > won't be recorded).Really, all I need to know is how to set it so the > allowable response for the mouse is to left click. This is what I want > to be the terminating factor in a trial, in the same way that I would > type {SPACE} if I were using the keyboard as the input device. > > I am completely at a loss as to why I can't find this information > myself online/ in the beginner's guide/ reference guide. > > Can any one help me out? Or have I simply lost my mind? > > Yours, in semi sanity, > > Aoife McLoughlin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 20:01:43 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:01:43 -0700 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy Message-ID: Hey, I have programmed a stop-signal paradigm and the only way I could figure out how to have a left red arrow (STOP) appear after a left green arrow and a right red arrow appear after a right green arrow was to have two difference procedures. Total I have 3 procedures. One presents a green arrow and the person responds to the direction of the arrow. The second procedure a green left arrow appears and after a designated period of time this arrow turns red, if the arrow turns red the person must withhold a response. This is the same for the right green/red arrow, which is the third procedure. Of course they are all randomized so there is a 70% chance a green arrow will appear and stay green, 15% chance for a left green to appear and turn red, 15% chance for a right green to appear and turn red. I would like to have feedback displays after every block, that only reports the specific data for that block, and I know how to set this up. My question itself regards collapsing across right and left stop accuracies. I would like to combine procedure 2 and 3 to report their combined accuracy. My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries). Note: I have to have seperate names for the images the record the responses since two of them have specific images that must be presented. I know I can do this when I create a syntax file to strip them down and recombine them in to spss. But, it would be easier to have it already done for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 04:43:15 2010 From: fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com (Fiona) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:43:15 -0700 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property Message-ID: Hi, I'm not sure if I'm missing something... I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to register the response and using HitTest to record and score the location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the screen until a response is recorded. I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. participants need to respond twice). Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a single slide? Any help would be great! Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 11:17:31 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:17:31 +0100 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <74596d8c-606f-43bb-97fe-013f712c5623@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, Coincidentally, I'm just working on a stop-signal task at the moment! You might want to reconsider the part where you seem to need different procedures for different conditions, especially, as you later say, if you then also have different objects for different conditions. In general, it's a very good idea to manipulate psychological aspects whilst keeping physical properties equal (as Steven Luck would suggest) - I'd expand upon the concept by suggesting programming aspects may well be part of the physical (by which I do not condescend to say anything about metaphysics, by the way). Apart from such considerations, the other problem is that it is very easy to make mistakes in the almost inevitable complexity resulting from using different objects and procedures in different conditions. I use, for example, the same procedure, and *all* objects whether I have GO, NO-GO, GO-STOP and even NO-GO-STOP (although I kicked that possibility out since it makes very little sense). That is, if you two of the same slides after one another: Slide1 (primary task), duration of which is stop-signal delay, time limit, something like 1000) Slide2 (stop-signal, if any), shows the same arrow as Slide1 (it refers to same attribute), and has whatever duration Then, the 'clever' bit is that the responses are *always* recorded in Slide1 (which makes it easier in E-DataAid), and, if there's no stop signal, slide2 just refers to same attribute, and the subject will never notice there are actually two arrows, rather than one. Other than that, if you must, I'd suggest just a little bit of inline. Basically, you check for conditions, and calculate the mean accuracy. For example, if you made a global variable (alt+5, user script, dim LeftArrowNumberAccurate), just add an inline at the end of the trial (if c.GetAttrib("ArrowDirection") = "Left" and Slide1.ACC = 1 then LeftArrowNumberAccurate = LeftArrowNumberAccurate + 1). Then, at the end of a block, you show a text display with the accurate number (or percentage). I think all that is explained at length at the end of the infamous E-Primer: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/about_me.htm (under books). As for your other question: "My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries)." What's wrong with using procedure(trial, subtrial, block, depending on the structure of your experiment) in column? Remember to filter out NULLS, they are annoying. As for two separate images, and actually, in general, I always store dependent variables in one and the same column, Y_RT (and Y_ACC, etc), just for clarity. To do this, just do the following inline at the end of your trial(s): c.SetAttrib "Y_RT", Slide1.RT so, if you have two images for two procedures, just store it in the same attribute and the result will be much more readable. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sent: 28 July 2010 21:02 To: E-Prime Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy Hey, I have programmed a stop-signal paradigm and the only way I could figure out how to have a left red arrow (STOP) appear after a left green arrow and a right red arrow appear after a right green arrow was to have two difference procedures. Total I have 3 procedures. One presents a green arrow and the person responds to the direction of the arrow. The second procedure a green left arrow appears and after a designated period of time this arrow turns red, if the arrow turns red the person must withhold a response. This is the same for the right green/red arrow, which is the third procedure. Of course they are all randomized so there is a 70% chance a green arrow will appear and stay green, 15% chance for a left green to appear and turn red, 15% chance for a right green to appear and turn red. I would like to have feedback displays after every block, that only reports the specific data for that block, and I know how to set this up. My question itself regards collapsing across right and left stop accuracies. I would like to combine procedure 2 and 3 to report their combined accuracy. My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries). Note: I have to have seperate names for the images the record the responses since two of them have specific images that must be presented. I know I can do this when I create a syntax file to strip them down and recombine them in to spss. But, it would be easier to have it already done for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 11:47:56 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:47:56 +0100 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, To my knowledge, duration is a property of a slide and its sub-objects (slide states being sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have independent duration, like all other properties shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would be incredibly useful, if this were possible! Apart from that, what you are asking can easily be implemented by using a copy of the same slide right after the other one, which is almost exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. So, you have Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). Would that work? Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 To: E-Prime Subject: Changing sub-object duration property Hi, I'm not sure if I'm missing something... I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to register the response and using HitTest to record and score the location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the screen until a response is recorded. I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. participants need to respond twice). Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a single slide? Any help would be great! Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 18:04:27 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:04:27 -0400 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03B377DC@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Fiona, Just extending what Mich proposed... - StimSlide (with stimulus plus Yes & No), Duration = 0 - HitTestCode inline to handle mouse clicks during the StimSlide, skip to HitDoneLabel upon a valid response, and to timeout at 2000 ms - YesNoSlide (with just Yes & No), Duration = 0 - HitTestCode2 (possibly the same as HitTestCode earlier) to handle mouse clicks during the YesNoSlide - HitDoneLabel Note that, if you want to handle multiple mouse clicks (e.g., subject might click on Yes, No, or a null region), then you must set Slide durations to 0 in order to get to the inline code which handles the mouse clicks, timing, & termination. (Advanced users may instead set StimSlide Duration = 2000 and PreRelase >= 2000, which offers some coding advantages.) PST might have an example program to show some of this that you may download from their web site. Note that both inline code segments may apply .HitTest to the same Slide (e.g., both use StimSlide, or both use YesNoSlide), it does not matter which Slide appears on the display at the moment. .HitTest does not care at all about what actually appears on the screen (and for that matter, does not even require an actual mouse click); it merely takes the given SlideState and x-y coordinate and finds the name of the Slide region or sub-object to be found at that location. IOW, .HitTest is little more than a slightly disguised & elaborated PointInRect(). -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/29/2010 07:47 AM Thursday, Michiel Spapé wrote: >Hi, >To my knowledge, duration is a property of a >slide and its sub-objects (slide states being >sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have >independent duration, like all other properties >shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would >be incredibly useful, if this were possible! >Apart from that, what you are asking can easily >be implemented by using a copy of the same slide >right after the other one, which is almost >exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. >So, you have >Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 >Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put >an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). > >Would that work? >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spapé >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona >Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Changing sub-object duration property > >Hi, > >I'm not sure if I'm missing something... > >I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes >Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to >register the response and using HitTest to record and score the >location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". > >I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any >mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response >is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the >screen until a response is recorded. > >I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but >each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have >also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when >I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. >participants need to respond twice). > >Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a >single slide? > >Any help would be great! > >Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 18:25:10 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:25:10 -0400 Subject: No parallel port for upgrade In-Reply-To: <4C4A2567.1070709@uoregon.edu> Message-ID: You need to contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . Or, since PST should have taken care of this before they sold you the product, you might prevail upon them by phone, just get the number from their web site. Good luck, and please write back with the result. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/23/2010 07:27 PM Friday, you wrote: > We are attempting to install an upgrade version 2 of e-prime on a > newer laptop that has NO parallel port. During the upgrade > validation process, the installer wants the old v. 1 key to be > attached, but there is no parallel port to connect it. Is there a > workaround for this issue? > >Someone know what to do? > >Thanks. > >Ray > >-- >Ray Vukcevich >University of Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 19:41:23 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:41:23 -0400 Subject: Near infrared Spec/Exp/Harmony In-Reply-To: <8a906c54-e4c6-437e-8274-125c5cb6f228@v6g2000prd.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... I do not think that inline code will help you here, unless you want to write an entire Bluetooth driver in E-Basic, which I highly advise against, because if you knew enough to be able to write a Bluetooth driver then you would already know why you would not want to write it in E-Basic. I am afraid that you will have to wait until PST adds Bluetooth support to E-Prime, and really I do not yet see any reason that they would want to do such a thing, although I would like to hear others weigh in on that. Your best bet other than that is to find a DLL that will add the needed Bluetooth support, and then figure out how to add the relevant Decalare statements to use those DLL functions in E-Basic (see the Declare topic in the online E-Basic Help). Good luck with that! -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/17/2010 01:01 AM Saturday, KiwiPG wrote: >G'day, > >Situation: I have a near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) machine that I >would like to run in conjunction with an Eprime experiment. The NIRS >machine is able to connect to the computer via Bluetooth connection. >Unfortunately there is no hardwiring connection. I was able to see >that the computer is receiving a signal through the com 5 port. I >would like to get a NIRS measurement during target exposure. I am not >exactly sure how to treat the Bluetooth connection in Eprime. Seems >like most of the lit deals with serial& // port connections. I thought >I could add 'Port' device to 'Input Masks' in my experiment but that >does not seem to work. > >Questions: Do I need to write inline script for this to work? I have >scoured the forums/web and could not find an example that deals with >Bluetooth device connection. If anyone has an example script or even >knows where I can look that would be wicked sweet. > >Future thanks, >Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 19:51:47 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:51:47 -0700 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03B377B9@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey, Thanks for the information Michiel. I am in the middle of implementing your suggestions. "Other than that, if you must, I'd suggest just a little bit of inline. Basically, you check for conditions, and calculate the mean accuracy. For example, if you made a global variable (alt+5, user script, dim LeftArrowNumberAccurate), just add an inline at the end of the trial (if c.GetAttrib("ArrowDirection") = "Left" and Slide1.ACC = 1 then LeftArrowNumberAccurate = LeftArrowNumberAccurate + 1)." I will try this out later. But, I am guessing if I do that or something similar and then combine Left and Right in to another variable I can easily report the collapsed across left/right accuracies? Also, if you do not mind, I have another question. Do you know if there is an issue with having InLines and duration/onset errors appearing, due to the processing of InLine objects? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:03:15 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:03:15 -0400 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <0e968a01-f1e4-4515-885d-137ee60dcca8@j9g2000yqn.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: PMJI... >Also, if you do not mind, I have another question. Do you know if >there is an issue with having InLines and duration/onset errors >appearing, due to the processing of InLine objects? Not unless you are fairly sloppy, or need to run a *lot* of inline code in between objects. As I have said before, you would be surprised at how much code a modern machine can run in less than 1 ms. Even then, if you know how to use PreRelease to run code during a stimulus object then you can, say, run 5 s worth of code during a 5 s stimulus with absolutely no impact on the onset delay of the following object. Study Chapter 3, "Critical Timing", of the User's Guide that came with E-Prime. But as always, do not take my word for this. You should write some code and make some timing tests for yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder "You got to test that piece of software, You got to test it for yourself, No one else can test it for you, You got to test it for yourself." (Apologies to the Fairfield Four) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:12:31 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: Send a Signal from E-Prime to COBI In-Reply-To: <6cc706c1-0fac-4506-994e-560a88a71ce3@i28g2000yqa.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: [I have been off on vacations, so still working on some lingering older posts.] I have never used the SerialDevice object myself, and I don't know if anyone else here can help. But here are a few other thoughts: - See if PST has any example programs to download from their web site. - Search the PST Knowledge Base for any articles on the SerialDevice. - Look at the "SerialDevice" topic in the online E-Basic Help built into E-Prime. - Contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . They strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/16/2010 12:31 PM Friday, Atieh wrote: >I want to send a signal through serial port from e-prime to an >external device (fNIR COBI system) but I don't know what I have to >include in my "inline" object . Also, which stage of my e-prime >program I should insert the serial port object. >I really appriciate if somebody help me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:24:17 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:24:17 -0400 Subject: Trouble with randomisaton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laura, I am stumped on this one. First thing I would do is to set this back to Sequential order and run a bunch of tests that way. For these tests I would also use names like 01.jpg, etc., just to make it easier to read. Finally, don't neglect PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. And please do write back when/if you get this sorted out. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 6/22/2010 07:42 PM Tuesday, Little Moo wrote: >I'm hoping someone can help. > >Has anyone else had a problem with randomisation, or am I doing >something wrong. > >In the final phase of an experiment, I have a list of 27 target >images, and 3 lists of distractor images. > >The list is set as:- > >27 Samples (1 cycle x 27 samples/cycle) > >1 Cycle equals 27 samples > >Random Selection > >In a small, but significant, number of experimental runs, one level is >omitted and one level is repeated e.g. > >red_squr_straight.jpg >blck_tri_squig.jpg <------------First Show >blue_tri_round.jpg >blue_tri_straight.jpg >red_circ_straight.jpg >red_squr_squig.jpg >blue_squr_squig.jpg >red_tri_round.jpg >blue_circ_squig.jpg >blue_circ_straight.jpg >blck_squr_round.jpg >blue_tri_squig.jpg >red_squr_squig.jpg >blck_circ_round.jpg >blck_tri_squig.jpg <------------Repeated >blck_circ_straight.jpg >blue_squr_straight.jpg >red_tri_squig.jpg >red_tri_straight.jpg >red_squr_round.jpg >blue_tri_squig.jpg >blue_squr_round.jpg >blck_tri_straight.jpg >blue_circ_round.jpg >blue_tri_straight.jpg >blck_squr_straight.jpg >red_tri_squig.jpg > >and in this case blck_circ_squig.jpg was omitted - that is for this >case only, the level omitted/repeated is random. > >Has any else noticed this, or have I made a mistake with my selection >criteria? Reset is set to All samples (27), and the list object does >have 27 unique filenames. > >This is central to my experiment but nothing I have tried works. > >Laura -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:40:38 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Around here we just take the simple-minded way out and make two program files with the two different orders, then make ourselves responsible for keeping track of which program to use with which subject. But if you want to automate this, look into the Counterbalance order option of E-Studio -- run a search on this Group to see where I have already discussed this, look through the manuals that came with E-Prime, or contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder On 1 jul, 18:04, cogneuroisfun wrote: > I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much > more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last > question for awhile :) > > I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm > trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. > So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants > will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in > one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two > different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) > > I'm hoping to have something like this: > > odd number subjects: > order 1- while in fMRI > order 2 - different imaging technique > > even number subjects: > order 2- while in fMRI > order 1-while in different imaging technique > > I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate > between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging > technique. > > I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in > one program that changes based off subject number and group number! > > Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:49:24 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the record, with judicious use of properties on the Frame tab (Width, Height, X, Y, XAlign, YAlign), you can superimpose TextDisplays or Slides on an existing display to create your desired effect and many other effects besides. But Mich is right that it is more the "E-Prime way" to just compose a complete Slide for each display. And in either case you still do not need any code. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/1/2010 11:51 AM Thursday, cogneuroisfun wrote: >Yes, I know other programming languages at decent proficiency (C++, >Java) but unfortunately I don't know visual basic that well. > >Thank you for your helpful reply, it seems as though I was other >thinking this way too much :) > >On Jul 1, 9:37 am, Michiel Spape >wrote: > > Hi, > > I imagine you have had more experience with > programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In > E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have > three screens popping up than repeating the > same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean > > Start: > > -Show picture1 with question1 > > -Clear question1 and insert question2 > > Goto Start > > > > Which makes sense in normal programming, but > not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as > > -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] > > -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] > > -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] > > Since each one is after the other and refer > to the same picture, the Question looks as if > 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a > totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains > intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used > in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. > > > > In the end, I see absolutely no reason why > you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. > > Best, > > Michiel > > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun > > Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Clearing half a screen > > > > Hi all, > > > > Another noobie question here. > > > > I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions > > about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 > > questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant > > all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous > > question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen > > command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing > > the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at > > the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen > > so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? > > > > Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:55:52 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:55:52 -0400 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C2D22@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Again for the record, I just want to add a plug for using the Analyze facility built into E-DataAid. This does a nice job of handling a variety of basic descriptive statistics for initial looks at the data, and with proper use does a marvelous job of organizing data for export to other analysis programs. Please study the E-DataAid sections of the Getting Started Guide, User's Guide, and Reference Guide that come with E-Prime. As I have said before, it is almost worth getting E-Prime just for for its data handling capabilities, which are sadly much overlooked. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/6/2010 10:36 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >To add to this, and also not able to provide >many tips, I'd suggest merging the files first, >THEN exporting. But I suppose that might be too obvious. > >Anyway, in Matlab, it's pretty easy to just >import the whole lot as text format. I think I >still have some matlab code, if you need it: > >names=0; >Filenames{1}='Collision 1i-201-1.gazedata'; > >nSubjects = size(Filenames,2); > >for cSubject = 1: nSubjects > > disp(['Subject ' num2str(cSubject) ' of ' > num2str(nSubjects) ' reading data']); > [EyeData.Subject,EyeData.Session, > EyeData.ID, EyeData.TETTime, EyeData.RTTime, > EyeData.CursorX, EyeData.CursorY, > EyeData.TimestampSec, > EyeData.TimestampMicrosec, > EyeData.XGazePosLeftEye, > EyeData.YGazePosLeftEye, > EyeData.XCameraPosLeftEye, > EyeData.YCameraPosLeftEye, > EyeData.DiameterPupilLeftEye, > EyeData.DistanceLeftEye, > EyeData.ValidityLeftEye, > EyeData.XGazePosRightEye, > EyeData.YGazePosRightEye, > EyeData.XCameraPosRightEye, > EyeData.YCameraPosRightEye, > EyeData.DiameterPupilRightEye, > EyeData.DistanceRightEye, > EyeData.ValidityRightEye, EyeData.Subject, > EyeData.TrialNum, EyeData.WhichTask, > EyeData.Proc, EyeData.StartPosModCue, > EyeData.StartPosModTarget, > EyeData.DistractorHidden, > EyeData.TargetHitsCue, > EyeData.DistractorHitsCue, EyeData.Phase, > EyeData.TaskTime, EyeData.ACC, EyeData.RT, > EyeData.TargetX, EyeData.TargetY, EyeData.CueX, > EyeData.CueY, EyeData.DistractorX, > EyeData.DistractorY]=textread(Filenames{cSubject}, > '%f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f > %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %s %s %f %f %f %f > %f %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f', 'delimiter', '\t','headerlines',1); >End > > >%Notice that Filenames here only contains one. >Furthermore, these gazedata files are Tobii text >files, pretty much the same as exported .edat >files. \t is tab-based delimiter, and the whole >lot is imported in various variable names in MatLab. > >Hope that helps, sorry for the difficult-to-read >code (matlab does that, I find). >Cheers, >Mich > >Michiel Spapé >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of liwenna >Sent: 06 July 2010 13:00 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: Data extraction from edat file > > From or to matlab? > >I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to >statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the >resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. > >Tried anything like that? > >Best, > >AW > >On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > > > any help would be appreciated! > > > > thanks a lot! > > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 21:07:12 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:07:12 -0400 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03828F50@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 6/29/2010 06:28 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >Hi Candy & OP, >This is not exactly the case; files should be >accessible anywhere on the system, the only >problem is that it is A) difficult to move >experiments around like that (since the >structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) I beg to differ here. As long as you use relative paths instead of absolute paths, you should be able to copy & move experiments with no trouble. We do that regularly. > and B) for some people difficult in terms of > syntax. The second one seems to be the problem > here, with several basic things going wrong: >- Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for >files that are on the current PC i.e. >C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. >- \ is also an escape character and writing >addresses very often goes wrong because of it. >In inline, for example, you'd have to use >c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 Please see http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic2336-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1689-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1718-5-1.aspx and http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/d2760287fabeb88a , where this has been discussed at more length. In short, in E-Prime it is best to simply use single *forward* slashes ("/") for all path separators, e.g., c:/windows/system32. Yes, E-Prime defaults to inserting backslashes for you, which confuses things, you just have to ignore that and use forward slashes yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >... >Because of all this often goes wrong, it's >usually better to do it like Candy suggested: >just dump everything in the same folder as the >experiment and never mind about writing down >paths. The only good reason for doing it >otherwise is that one might want to have some >organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder >'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. >Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the >place where your experiment is located and use >relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, >happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you >then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and >FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as >CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") >& "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") >Or something like that. > >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spapé >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson >Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > >I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but >hopefully will make some sense: > >My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as >the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object >display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as >found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need >to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > >Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute >[filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay >should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > >Hope this helps > >Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 02:11:42 2010 From: fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com (Fiona) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:11:42 -0700 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: <4c51c301.8b19e70a.74e5.7bdcSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: What a shame that it can't just be easily changed through properties. But thanks for the suggestions on how to get around it. Will give it a go. Cheers, Fiona On Jul 30, 4:04 am, David McFarlane wrote: > Fiona, > > Just extending what Mich proposed... > > - StimSlide (with stimulus plus Yes & No), Duration = 0 > - HitTestCode inline to handle mouse clicks > during the StimSlide, skip to HitDoneLabel upon a > valid response, and to timeout at 2000 ms > - YesNoSlide (with just Yes & No), Duration = 0 > - HitTestCode2 (possibly the same as HitTestCode > earlier) to handle mouse clicks during the YesNoSlide > - HitDoneLabel > > Note that, if you want to handle multiple mouse > clicks (e.g., subject might click on Yes, No, or > a null region), then you must set Slide durations > to 0 in order to get to the inline code which > handles the mouse clicks, timing, & > termination.  (Advanced users may instead set > StimSlide Duration = 2000 and PreRelase >= 2000, > which offers some coding advantages.)  PST might > have an example program to show some of this that > you may download from their web site. > > Note that both inline code segments may apply > .HitTest to the same Slide (e.g., both use > StimSlide,  or both use YesNoSlide), it does not > matter which Slide appears on the display at the > moment.  .HitTest does not care at all about what > actually appears on the screen (and for that > matter, does not even require an actual mouse > click); it merely takes the given SlideState and > x-y coordinate and finds the name of the Slide > region or sub-object to be found at that > location.  IOW, .HitTest is little more than a > slightly disguised & elaborated PointInRect(). > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > At 7/29/2010 07:47 AM Thursday, Michiel Spapé wrote: > > >Hi, > >To my knowledge, duration is a property of a > >slide and its sub-objects (slide states being > >sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have > >independent duration, like all other properties > >shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would > >be incredibly useful, if this were possible! > >Apart from that, what you are asking can easily > >be implemented by using a copy of the same slide > >right after the other one, which is almost > >exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. > >So, you have > >Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 > >Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put > >an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). > > >Would that work? > >Best, > >Mich > > >Michiel Spapé > >Research Fellow > >Perception & Action group > >University of Nottingham > >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona > >Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 > >To: E-Prime > >Subject: Changing sub-object duration property > > >Hi, > > >I'm not sure if I'm missing something... > > >I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes > >Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to > >register the response and using HitTest to record and score the > >location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". > > >I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any > >mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response > >is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the > >screen until a response is recorded. > > >I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but > >each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have > >also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when > >I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. > >participants need to respond twice). > > >Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a > >single slide? > > >Any help would be great! > > >Cheers > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:07:52 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:52 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. Message-ID: Hi again, I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. The basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a choice of which balloon they want to burst. However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some way of showing the cursor? Any tips? Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 14:53:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:53:58 +0100 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <4c51edbe.ccbce70a.0585.ffff9077SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David & al., Concerning forward slashes: wow, you learn something new every day :) Relative paths: of course, especially if you use many sounds/images/videos for different conditions and so on, it is very convenient to access files in a [condition]/[filename] sort of way. The warning against absolute paths remains! Cheers, Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane Sent: 29 July 2010 22:07 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com; e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: help a beginner :) At 6/29/2010 06:28 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >Hi Candy & OP, >This is not exactly the case; files should be >accessible anywhere on the system, the only >problem is that it is A) difficult to move >experiments around like that (since the >structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) I beg to differ here. As long as you use relative paths instead of absolute paths, you should be able to copy & move experiments with no trouble. We do that regularly. > and B) for some people difficult in terms of > syntax. The second one seems to be the problem > here, with several basic things going wrong: >- Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for >files that are on the current PC i.e. >C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. >- \ is also an escape character and writing >addresses very often goes wrong because of it. >In inline, for example, you'd have to use >c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 Please see http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic2336-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1689-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1718-5-1.aspx and http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/d2760287fabeb88a , where this has been discussed at more length. In short, in E-Prime it is best to simply use single *forward* slashes ("/") for all path separators, e.g., c:/windows/system32. Yes, E-Prime defaults to inserting backslashes for you, which confuses things, you just have to ignore that and use forward slashes yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >... >Because of all this often goes wrong, it's >usually better to do it like Candy suggested: >just dump everything in the same folder as the >experiment and never mind about writing down >paths. The only good reason for doing it >otherwise is that one might want to have some >organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder >'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. >Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the >place where your experiment is located and use >relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, >happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you >then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and >FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as >CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") >& "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") >Or something like that. > >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spapé >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson >Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > >I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but >hopefully will make some sense: > >My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as >the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object >display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as >found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need >to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > >Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute >[filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay >should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > >Hope this helps > >Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 15:26:20 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:26:20 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <779e0162-1883-4cfc-90d1-636dc0d59739@i31g2000yqm.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. The >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a >choice of which balloon they want to burst. IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland. I programmed one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism for releasing our task software). >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some >way of showing the cursor? > >Any tips? 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help). This is what most of us would do. or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:32:50 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:32:50 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <4c52ef4e.194de70a.65cf.0521SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks a million David, I was just on my way back here to post this link http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/75838ffbbf64a05b/2a6dcbd0107f98f6?pli=1 to my question being answered in a different thread. I wonder is there a way that we could enable the search here in the group to allow for tags. I often find that because I don't phrase things the same as another person might, I get the wrong responses to searches, which means I can end up wasting a lot of time searching, and then waste other people's time by asking a question that has indeed been answered before. This however is an issue for the google groups google search group! Haha :) Thanks again On Jul 30, 4:26 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff > takes any and all questions athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, and they > strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current > estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their > substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it.  3) If > you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy > of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. > > That said, here is my take... > > >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display.  The > >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the > >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and > >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will > >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each > >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a > >choice of which balloon they want to burst. > > IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by > Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland.  I programmed > one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask > me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism > for releasing our task software). > > >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on > >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to > >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some > >way of showing the cursor? > > >Any tips? > > 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True > Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the > MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help).  This is what most of > us would do. > > or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes > will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. > > David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 15:42:25 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:42:25 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <95a7b502-a24a-45ea-9099-646434304237@j8g2000yqd.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: At 7/30/2010 11:32 AM Friday, aoifemcloughlin wrote: >I was just on my way back here to post this >link >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/75838ffbbf64a05b/2a6dcbd0107f98f6?pli=1 >to my question being answered in a different thread. > >I wonder is there a way that we could enable the search here in the >group to allow for tags. I often find that because I don't phrase >things the same as another person might, I get the wrong responses to >searches, which means I can end up wasting a lot of time searching, >and then waste other people's time by asking a question that has >indeed been answered before. This however is an issue for the google >groups google search group! Haha :) Even better would be a Wiki where over time we could generate some properly organized documentation. I would gladly supply all sorts of content, but network stuff lies way beyond my talents, we need somebody else who can do that sort of thing. Anybody up to the job? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:51:54 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:51:54 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <4c52ef4e.194de70a.65cf.0521SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, I just spotted what you said about BART. I had not heard of this research, and a quick google search has whet my appetite (everyone elses research always seems infinitely more interesting than your own when you're stuck on something!). It is very different to what I am looking at, and I will not ask you for your programme, however I do have one question. This is one which I have already asked the PST web support but have yet to get a response. In BART participants are able to finish at any point, and bank their money (if what I just read was correct). When you did this using e- prime how did you give the participants the ability to end the experiment without aborting it? Is it a case of a jump label? I also would like to be able to time how long they continued the trials for, from the beginning of the first trial, to when they decided to end the experiment. My dependant variable is the length of time that they continue to burst balloons for. My ability at reading and writing in E-Basic is atrocious. This is why I like e-prime (most of the time) as it allows us less tech savvy researchers actually create our experiments. Unluckily for me I am the only one in my institution using e-prime, however for these kind of little niggly problems this group has been a constant source of information for me. Yours, Aoife On Jul 30, 4:26 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff > takes any and all questions athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, and they > strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current > estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their > substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it.  3) If > you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy > of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. > > That said, here is my take... > > >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display.  The > >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the > >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and > >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will > >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each > >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a > >choice of which balloon they want to burst. > > IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by > Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland.  I programmed > one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask > me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism > for releasing our task software). > > >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on > >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to > >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some > >way of showing the cursor? > > >Any tips? > > 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True > Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the > MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help).  This is what most of > us would do. > > or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes > will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. > > David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 21:15:36 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:15:36 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <7e1e6289-81ee-4938-a721-46dde6be4acd@k19g2000yqc.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Aoife, At 7/30/2010 11:51 AM Friday, you wrote: >I just spotted what you said about BART. I had not heard of this >research, and a quick google search has whet my appetite (everyone >elses research always seems infinitely more interesting than your own >when you're stuck on something!). It is very different to what I am >looking at Ah, once again I read a post too hastily and filled in details from my imagination. Looks like in your trials subjects merely click once on a balloon to pop it and then move on, but because I was so familiar with BART I simply assumed that they instead repeatedly clicked on a balloon to inflate it until it popped. My error. >I do have one question. This is one which I have already asked the PST web >support but have yet to get a response. > >In BART participants are able to finish at any point, and bank their >money (if what I just read was correct). When you did this using e- >prime how did you give the participants the ability to end the >experiment without aborting it? Is it a case of a jump label? I also >would like to be able to time how long they continued the trials for, >from the beginning of the first trial, to when they decided to end the >experiment. My dependant variable is the length of time that they >continue to burst balloons for. Ending a List or Prrocedure at some indefinite limit (e.g., early) does require a bit of code. In this case the user pressed a specific button (instead of clicking a mouse) to stop pumping the balloon before it popped, and I set "Correct" to that response value. I used a List to run each inflation step of the trial, with Termination set to the number of pumps until the balloon would pop, and then I just used an If-Then with a List.Terminate to exit the List early, e.g. If (BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState()) Then StepList.Terminate You can look up things like If...Then and the List Terminate method in the online E-Basic Help. Of course I then needed further code to control what happened next, depending on whether the trial ended with the subject stopping, the balloon bursting, or the experimenter/tester requesting an early exit (that's the GetUserBreakState()). That was back when I was in a phase using Lists in place of coded loops wherever possible. Any ordinary EP user would have written this as an ordinary For...Next, Do...Loop, or If...Then...Goto loop in inline code (do NOT use While/Wend, this construct has long been deprecated!!), and if I rewrote this today I might well do the same. In that case I might use a loop like Do ' code to run each step of trial here Loop Until ( BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState() or _ (pumpCount >= nPumpsToPop) ) or rather, I would use a Label and inline Goto wrapped around my stimulus objects in the trial Procedure, something like - StepLoopLabel - StepInitCode - BARTSlide - StepFinishCode and my StepFinishCode would contain a line like If Not( BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState() or _ (pumpCount >= nPumpsToPop) ) Then Goto StepLoopLabel (note the "Not" at the start of that conditional expression!). To record elapsed times beyond a single stimulus-response, you will again need code, and most likely need to store some values in global variables. Please see Chapter 4, "Using E-Basic", of the User's Guide that comes with EP. You can always get the current time using Clock.Read, although if you are clever you can get a strictly more accurate starting time by referring to the .OnsetTime of the relevant stimulus object. >My ability at reading and writing in E-Basic is atrocious. This is why >I like e-prime (most of the time) as it allows us less tech savvy >researchers actually create our experiments. Unluckily for me I am the >only one in my institution using e-prime, however for these kind of >little niggly problems this group has been a constant source of >information for me. It is nice that we can do so much in EP without code (and I dismay that some users revert to code long before they need to), but if you do not learn to use code then you will severely limit the tasks that you can program (e.g., in my BART, not only do I need code for the early exits, I also use extensive code to generate random but balanced numbers of pumps before a pop). Similarly, any task programming system that does not include a provision to use code will severely limit what you can do. That is why I continue to endorse E-Prime, despite my lingering and public disagreements with the company that sells it. My instutiion (the Dept. of Psychology at Michigan State University, USA) has taken the trouble to hire someone like me solely to tend to these sorts of technical matters for research labs here. Every research institution should do the same, anything less compromises their research. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:37:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:37:57 +0100 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I imagine you have had more experience with programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have three screens popping up than repeating the same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean Start: -Show picture1 with question1 -Clear question1 and insert question2 Goto Start Which makes sense in normal programming, but not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] Since each one is after the other and refer to the same picture, the Question looks as if 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. In the end, I see absolutely no reason why you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. Best, Michiel Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 To: E-Prime Subject: Clearing half a screen Hi all, Another noobie question here. I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:40:13 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:40:13 +0100 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <7547f67c-a957-453c-b785-468d7fb012d7@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: How odd! I think E-Prime does supports 24 bit Bitmap files, though, if you wish to preserve your colours. In any case, it supports the bitmaps the indomitable MS Paint supports! Cheers, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun Sent: 30 June 2010 19:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: help a beginner :) Thank you both very much for the help! It was actually I couldn't use 20 Bit bitmap files in my version of E- Prime. I had to change them all to 256 color!! It took me a long time to figure that out lol Thanks anyway :) On Jun 29, 6:28?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Candy & OP, > This is not exactly the case; files should be accessible anywhere on the system, the only problem is that it is A) difficult to move experiments around like that (since the structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) and B) for some people difficult in terms of syntax. The second one seems to be the problem here, with several basic things going wrong: > - Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for files that are on the current PC i.e. C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. > - \ is also an escape character and writing addresses very often goes wrong because of it. In inline, for example, you'd have to use c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 > ... > Because of all this often goes wrong, it's usually better to do it like Candy suggested: just dump everything in the same folder as the experiment and never mind about writing down paths. The only good reason for doing it otherwise is that one might want to have some organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder 'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the place where your experiment is located and use relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as > CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") & "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") > Or something like that. > > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson > Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > > I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but > hopefully will make some sense: > > My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as > the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object > display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as > found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need > to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > > Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute > [filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay > should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > > Hope this helps > > Candy > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From neuropsych76 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:51:28 2010 From: neuropsych76 at gmail.com (cogneuroisfun) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:51:28 -0700 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C23AA@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes, I know other programming languages at decent proficiency (C++, Java) but unfortunately I don't know visual basic that well. Thank you for your helpful reply, it seems as though I was other thinking this way too much :) On Jul 1, 9:37?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I imagine you have had more experience with programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have three screens popping up than repeating the same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean > Start: > -Show picture1 with question1 > -Clear question1 and insert question2 > Goto Start > > Which makes sense in normal programming, but not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as > -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] > -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] > -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] > Since each one is after the other and refer to the same picture, the Question looks as if 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. > > In the end, I see absolutely no reason why you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun > Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Clearing half a screen > > Hi all, > > Another noobie question here. > > I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions > about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 > questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant > all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous > question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen > command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing > the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at > the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen > so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? > > Thank you! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From neuropsych76 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:04:24 2010 From: neuropsych76 at gmail.com (cogneuroisfun) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:04:24 -0700 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject Message-ID: I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last question for awhile :) I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) I'm hoping to have something like this: odd number subjects: order 1- while in fMRI order 2 - different imaging technique even number subjects: order 2- while in fMRI order 1-while in different imaging technique I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging technique. I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in one program that changes based off subject number and group number! Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 17:37:22 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:37:22 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute Message-ID: question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment where each trial may contain a different number of values. for example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From dwivedilab at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 18:43:27 2010 From: dwivedilab at gmail.com (CL) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:43:27 -0700 Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038292C4@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? Or is there a faster, fool- > > proof way to calculate residual reading time in general? > > > Any help is appreciated! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 20:33:33 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:33:33 +0100 Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Message-ID: Hiya, Note: like David mcF, I don't work for PST and perhaps can give you a quicker method. I tend to use Excel a LOT, to the extent the data of the behavioural part of my experiments takes about as much space on my hard-drive as the physiological part. There's a few good reasons one might want to do things on-line in E-Prime, however, in particular in the way your analysis isn't smeared all over various files (and in excel, even within files, across sheets, in various formulas and macros). The only, but rather large downside, to it is that in Excel, at least you already have the formulas for regression and whatnot built in, which saves a lot of time. Anyway, should you ever come up with a good way for calculating residual reading time in E-Prime, please post the answer here for the Greater and Common Good! Cheers, Michiel ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens CL Verzonden: do 1-7-2010 19:43 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? Or is there a faster, fool- > > proof way to calculate residual reading time in general? > > > Any help is appreciated! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 01 July 2010 21:34 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Hiya, Note: like David mcF, I don't work for PST and perhaps can give you a quicker method. I tend to use Excel a LOT, to the extent the data of the behavioural part of my experiments takes about as much space on my hard-drive as the physiological part. There's a few good reasons one might want to do things on-line in E-Prime, however, in particular in the way your analysis isn't smeared all over various files (and in excel, even within files, across sheets, in various formulas and macros). The only, but rather large downside, to it is that in Excel, at least you already have the formulas for regression and whatnot built in, which saves a lot of time. Anyway, should you ever come up with a good way for calculating residual reading time in E-Prime, please post the answer here for the Greater and Common Good! Cheers, Michiel ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens CL Verzonden: do 1-7-2010 19:43 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments Thanks for your quick response (re: using Eprime to calculate RRTs directly vs. Excel). Your suggestions for using Eprime are quite comparable to procedures in Excel --so it's unclear if this would help to speed up the calculation. Thanks again for your time. --Chris L. On Jun 30, 6:50 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > I see, it sounds quite useful! Anyway, so what you need is > A) reading times for various words; I don't know how you obtain these exactly, but I guess from E-Prime, before the rest of the experiment starts or something > B) average reading times for each word-length > ... such that you can calculate by means of simple linear regression the 'line', and therefore, later on, the residual. > > What exactly is the problem? You just make something like an array (or a dozen of variables: sum2, sum3.. sum14) where you keep the sum of each reading time for each wordlength, then after all reading times are known, you divide them by the amount of reading times encountered, and then you calculate a linear regression. It's a bit of work, I grant you that, and if you're not brilliant with statistics, you will have to look up how these work exactly (I think there are decent articles with examples on Wikipedia), but I think you're right in saying that it makes sense to do this within E-Prime rather than afterwards. How far do you get, though, and where do you get stuck? > > Best, > Michiel > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > Sent: 29 June 2010 16:00 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > Residual reading time (RRT) is a way to correct for sentence length, > word length, and individual differences between participants' reading > speeds. For example, a sentence with five words is read faster than > one with 10; a sentence with 10 long words is read faster than one > with 10 short words; etc. Since we're using a self-paced design, > naturally some people will read and progress through the sentences > faster than others. By calculating RRT, we can eliminate this bias. > First thing we do is plot all of the raw reading times against the > number of characters per word for each participant and create a line > of best fit. This line represents the average speed that that > particular person reads depending on the number of characters (ie word > length). The general trend is that as the number of characters > increase, so does reading time. We do this for every participant, > resulting in average reading times that are specific to every > participant. Using the formula of the line of best fit, we can > determine the average reading time for words that have 2 characters, 3 > characters, 14 characters, etc. From there we compare the actual raw > reading time to the average value. The amount by which the raw value > deviates from our calculated value (ie the line) is known as the > residual reading time. These values appear as plus or minus values > (+/-). > This way, two participants may read the same word at completely > different speeds, but now we compare that value to their own reading > pace in order to determine whether they're taking longer to read that > word or not instead of comparing it to a group average which is less > accurate. > > Our method for calculating RRT was adopted from the following article, > explained in the appendix: "Semantic Influences on Parsing: Use of > Thematic Role Information in Syntactic Ambiguity Resolution" Trueswell > and Tanenhaus, 1994 > > Hopefully this makes sense > > On Jun 29, 10:24 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Perhaps you can start by saying what residual reading times are? > > Sorry, I'm more used to cognitive fields than psycholinguistics (I assume residual reading, as a concept, is commonly known there?) > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dwivedi Lab > > Sent: 29 June 2010 15:00 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Residual Reading Time for Self-Paced Reading Experiments > > > We are doing a series of self-paced reading experiments and need to > > calculate the residual reading times for each individual participant > > then combine all the participant data into one group file for > > analysis. So far we've been importing the data into excel and > > manipulating it there in order to get residual reading time values. We > > have created a series of excel files to streamline this process, > > however these files are prone to error and end up taking more time to > > fix than they actually save. Is there a way to calculate residual > > reading time data from within E-Prime? Or is there a faster, fool- > > proof way to calculate residual reading time in general? > > > Any help is appreciated! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 02 July 2010 14:16 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Question Hi I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? Thanks -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spap?* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology*** > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From candy.patterson at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jul 6 11:29:06 2010 From: candy.patterson at hotmail.co.uk (Candy Patterson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 04:29:06 -0700 Subject: Interfacing E-Prime v.1 with EyeLink SR1000 In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03828F5E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. After much altering I have managed to run my E-Prime experiment with an EyeLink eye tracker (several commands are different/not compatible so trial and error to see what does what). Hopefully should get some exciting data to support are current findings. Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 12:00:00 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 05:00:00 -0700 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From or to matlab? I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. Tried anything like that? Best, AW On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > Hi all, > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > any help would be appreciated! > > thanks a lot! > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 14:36:31 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:36:31 +0100 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To add to this, and also not able to provide many tips, I'd suggest merging the files first, THEN exporting. But I suppose that might be too obvious. Anyway, in Matlab, it's pretty easy to just import the whole lot as text format. I think I still have some matlab code, if you need it: names=0; Filenames{1}='Collision 1i-201-1.gazedata'; nSubjects = size(Filenames,2); for cSubject = 1: nSubjects disp(['Subject ' num2str(cSubject) ' of ' num2str(nSubjects) ' reading data']); [EyeData.Subject,EyeData.Session, EyeData.ID, EyeData.TETTime, EyeData.RTTime, EyeData.CursorX, EyeData.CursorY, EyeData.TimestampSec, EyeData.TimestampMicrosec, EyeData.XGazePosLeftEye, EyeData.YGazePosLeftEye, EyeData.XCameraPosLeftEye, EyeData.YCameraPosLeftEye, EyeData.DiameterPupilLeftEye, EyeData.DistanceLeftEye, EyeData.ValidityLeftEye, EyeData.XGazePosRightEye, EyeData.YGazePosRightEye, EyeData.XCameraPosRightEye, EyeData.YCameraPosRightEye, EyeData.DiameterPupilRightEye, EyeData.DistanceRightEye, EyeData.ValidityRightEye, EyeData.Subject, EyeData.TrialNum, EyeData.WhichTask, EyeData.Proc, EyeData.StartPosModCue, EyeData.StartPosModTarget, EyeData.DistractorHidden, EyeData.TargetHitsCue, EyeData.DistractorHitsCue, EyeData.Phase, EyeData.TaskTime, EyeData.ACC, EyeData.RT, EyeData.TargetX, EyeData.TargetY, EyeData.CueX, EyeData.CueY, EyeData.DistractorX, EyeData.DistractorY]=textread(Filenames{cSubject}, '%f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %s %s %f %f %f %f %f %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f', 'delimiter', '\t','headerlines',1); End %Notice that Filenames here only contains one. Furthermore, these gazedata files are Tobii text files, pretty much the same as exported .edat files. \t is tab-based delimiter, and the whole lot is imported in various variable names in MatLab. Hope that helps, sorry for the difficult-to-read code (matlab does that, I find). Cheers, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of liwenna Sent: 06 July 2010 13:00 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Data extraction from edat file >From or to matlab? I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. Tried anything like that? Best, AW On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > Hi all, > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > any help would be appreciated! > > thanks a lot! > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 09:21:45 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:21:45 -0700 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Cogneuroisfun, Could you elaborate a little bit for us? Each subject does the task twice? But this is, I take it, not in one run but in two runs, right? (i.e. set up subject, start e-prime, close e-prime, move subject, start up e-prime again) And there will be two 'fixed' orders? No randomization per subject? If that is correct: wouldn't it be much easier to just make two separate e-prime experiments (one a copy of the other) with two different fixed orders in it and simply use the one when the subject is in the mri, and the other one when the subject is 'in the different imaging technique' ? (nice mysterious description btw ;) ). If not in two runs but in one run than you should have a look at 'labels' (the green flags). You can give a label a name and use an inline with the text 'goto labelname' to make e-prime skip back (!) and forth on a procedure line. So... if you would place the experiment twice with the two different ordered lists both on a procedure you can use a whole series of inline and labels to guide e-prime trough the procedure, i.e for one group skip the first order and then after the 2nd order be redirected back to the start to make the first order and after that directed to the end of the program in order to not make the second order a second time. For instance (read this as a procedure and/or a timeline:) start experiment: "inline: if group is even then goto skip1label" ; backto1label; order1list; "inline: if group is even then goto endlabel" ; skip1label; order2list; " inline: if group is even then goto backto1label"; endlabel. ^ this way the odd group will not be affected by any of the inlines and labels and thus will make the program in the normal order (order1list, order2list). The even group will at the start of the experiment be directed to skip1label and start from there with order2list. After order2list they will be send to backto1lable which is followed by order1list. After order1list they will encounter the inline that sends them to endlabel, which is the end of the experiment. The skip1label is placed ?fter the inline that sends the even group to endlabel so that they do not encounter that inline (and be send to endlabel) when the program first skips to skip1label. I hope this is any clear at all >.< Good luck, AW On 1 jul, 18:04, cogneuroisfun wrote: > I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much > more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last > question for awhile :) > > I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm > trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. > So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants > will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in > one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two > different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) > > I'm hoping to have something like this: > > odd number subjects: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? order 1- while in fMRI > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? order 2 - different imaging technique > > even number subjects: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?order 2- while in fMRI > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?order 1-while in different imaging technique > > I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate > between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging > technique. > > I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in > one program that changes based off subject number and group number! > > Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 10:06:06 2010 From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:06:06 +0100 Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts Message-ID: dear list, I have a vaguely defined problem, just curious whether there's anyone else on this list who has been running experiments with lots of video clips - to see whether our own problems are typical or not & maybe getting some suggestions for troubleshooting. We're doing sign language experiments, displaying video clips one at a time and collecting a keypress response for each. Video clips are .avi, about 8MB each, and all work fine for display by E-Prime as far as we can tell (eg by running a demo program that displays the videos one at a time in sequence). However when we are running the experiment, at a certain point the experiment tends to freeze, requiring a hard reboot. This is usually while the video is still on screen and a response has been made, in the midst of writing the text file (info logged on a trial), because a line in the text file is not written completely, eg "... DisplayVideo.ACC: 1 DisplayVideo.RT: 1719 DisplayVi" [end of text file] Most of the crashes seem to occur about 1,000,000ms after starting, +/- about 10000msec (If the experiment finishes in about 16min or less, it seems to go fine... so far). Screen saver is disabled, power settings are set to "presentation", anti-virus is not running, etc. I know this is a problem that should be directed to E-Prime's online support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp but I completely dread the idea of waiting a week or two for their first suggestion on such an ill-defined problem. Any suggestions of any kind would be most welcome - my usual troubleshooting approach of re-creating the problem in a very simple test experiment doesn't seem to work here: small scale experiments run perfectly fine. Thanks! dv -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 11:22:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:22:58 +0100 Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts In-Reply-To: <4C34518E.50205@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Just the usual when working with video files: .AVI (audio-video interlace) is not a format; many different formats using a plenitude of different codecs can be called avi (e.g. divx, xvid, etc). The problem is likely either with the files themselves - and if you want, you could re-encode them to a codec that will work better on your PC, using, for example, windows movie maker or some such - or with the codecs that are installed on your PC. This problem is often (and presumably also for the PST helpdesk) difficult to grasp since different installed codecs may sometimes be able to 'understand' the format, yet conflict with one another. I'd suggest cleaning your pc from any codec pack (should such be installed), then try some tried and tested codec pack (e.g. k-lite basic), or install merely the codec required by your video files (I know there are ways of extracting that information, I forgot how, but there's A LOT of pro and amateur video community on the internet). Should that fail, you might have to go through the laborious job of re-encoding all your video. Your problem, however, sounds more like a hardware problem of some sort; does it also occur on different pc's that have different vga-cards and different codecs installed? Hope that helps. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson Sent: 07 July 2010 11:06 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Videos freezing unpredictably during E-Prime 2.0 expts dear list, I have a vaguely defined problem, just curious whether there's anyone else on this list who has been running experiments with lots of video clips - to see whether our own problems are typical or not & maybe getting some suggestions for troubleshooting. We're doing sign language experiments, displaying video clips one at a time and collecting a keypress response for each. Video clips are .avi, about 8MB each, and all work fine for display by E-Prime as far as we can tell (eg by running a demo program that displays the videos one at a time in sequence). However when we are running the experiment, at a certain point the experiment tends to freeze, requiring a hard reboot. This is usually while the video is still on screen and a response has been made, in the midst of writing the text file (info logged on a trial), because a line in the text file is not written completely, eg "... DisplayVideo.ACC: 1 DisplayVideo.RT: 1719 DisplayVi" [end of text file] Most of the crashes seem to occur about 1,000,000ms after starting, +/- about 10000msec (If the experiment finishes in about 16min or less, it seems to go fine... so far). Screen saver is disabled, power settings are set to "presentation", anti-virus is not running, etc. I know this is a problem that should be directed to E-Prime's online support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp but I completely dread the idea of waiting a week or two for their first suggestion on such an ill-defined problem. Any suggestions of any kind would be most welcome - my usual troubleshooting approach of re-creating the problem in a very simple test experiment doesn't seem to work here: small scale experiments run perfectly fine. Thanks! dv -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 07:01:48 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:01:48 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute In-Reply-To: <0c1ec5a7-bf7f-425f-934f-957756e3ec41@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, You might try something using different 'slidestates'. A slide can contain several 'states' which are basically several versions of the slide... When looking at a slide in e-studio you see in the bottom left corner that it is actually a kind of 'tab'. You can add slidestates by clicking one of the icons in the top menu. This way you could have one state that contains 5 values and one slide that contains 10 and call them... 'five' and 'ten' (or whatever you please). In your triallist you would make a separate variable that would contain the name of the slidestate to be used (call it for instance: nvalues) and for each trial (level) specify a slidestatename in this variable (i.e. five in level1 and ten in level2). Back to the slide: in the preferences you can specify which slidestate of the slide should be shown; set it to show [nvalues] which tells e-prime that the name of the slidestate to be used must be subtracted from the variable nvalues for each showing of the slidestate. This way: for a 5 value's trial value 6 to 10 might be determined by e-prime but as there is no slide shown that 'calls on them' they will be 'bypassed'. Hope this helps! Best, AW On Jul 1, 7:37?pm, Matt Paffel wrote: > question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment > where each trial may contain a different number of values. for > example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while > another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. > the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many > attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize > this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 14:25:26 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (Atieh) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:25:26 -0400 Subject: My First Project Message-ID: Hi all I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of trials, the response was Unexpected. (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the trials the response was Unexpected. On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped onto a response or required access to recently active representations within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for control processing are further detailed below. The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and response selection demands. To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. In addition to the main effects of refreshing and subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Mouse has two buttons..." and so on, will take a bit more effort than even the most hardcore of board-members are willing to give (unless paid by the hour). That's a long story, but the answer is short: 1 first learn E-Prime (getting started guide, user manual, or that e-primer book which has been taken down recently (but i'll do something about it ASAP, possibly turning it into a blog) 2 try your hand at making the experiment 3 note carefully where you get stuck, what you don't understand 4 search the mailinglist and/or forum online as a number of typical problems can easily be solved 5 finally, ask your question here, or over at PST. I do not imagine you can finish writing an experiment like i could finish my handiwork-knitting back when i was 6 and asked the teacher, in utter despair, to please tell me once again how they did it :) Cheers, Mich (whose cobwebs of network-, power- and audio-cables suggest he should have paid more attention!) Michiel M. Spape Research Fellow University of Nottingham -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com on behalf of Atieh Sent: Thu 8-7-2010 15:25 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: My First Project Hi all I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of trials, the response was Unexpected. (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the trials the response was Unexpected. On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped onto a response or required access to recently active representations within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for control processing are further detailed below. The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and response selection demands. To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. In addition to the main effects of refreshing and subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Good luck! -Ashty On Jul 8, 6:25?pm, Atieh wrote: > Hi all > I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need > to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't > know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this > task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task : > > Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 > > Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during > Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response > > (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words > followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the > expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was > presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were > two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or > Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. > > (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat > trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of > trials, the response was Unexpected. > > (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly > repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number > in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of > the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the > trials the response was Unexpected. > > On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and > then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to > be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either > the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response > selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped > onto a response or required access to recently active representations > within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and > subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for > control processing are further detailed below. > The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by > arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, > based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the > trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were > instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having > done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's > memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the > response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the > bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the > Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of > Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words > in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, > during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was > incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, > analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required > selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the > face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to > Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias > or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather > than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any > sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and > response selection demands. > To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration > demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict > was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal > entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a > recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the > Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that > required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with > some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an > unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were > Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than > a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal > position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects > were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the > number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. > Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat > condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active > representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials > further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response > cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh > trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with > the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the > target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal > en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response > independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction > that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized > refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in > refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between > Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is > critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need > to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, > because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. > In addition to the main effects of refreshing and > subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within > the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh > trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias > cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation > cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared > representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh > trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response > was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the > Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of > conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. > > ?0.gif > 17KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 16:45:12 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:45:12 -0400 Subject: My First Project In-Reply-To: <8a005e3b-38d1-4900-9c57-e94511577e72@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi All Thank you for your answers ... I will do things that you said ...I understood that it was odd to ask for whole project so I will ask my problems next time :) Cheers :) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Ashtyster wrote: > Hi Atieh, > > I fully agree with the reply you got from Michael. Just one more thing > to add. If you need to have the E-Prime script ready very soon, and > you don't feel like you've got enough time to learn by reading all the > manuals, you can try to search online for a sample script for a task > similar to yours. You can ask your colleagues for one as well. You can > look at the script, try to understand how it is organized, and then > modify it according to your needs (or even write a new one). > > Good luck! > > -Ashty > > On Jul 8, 6:25 pm, Atieh wrote: > > Hi all > > I am college student and I have an internship in N.I.H . I really need > > to learn E_prime , but I can not make my first task right and I don't > > know which steps I did wrong . Can somebody describe each step of this > > task for me ? I would be grateful if somebody help me . This is the task > : > > > > Multitask Badre Wagner Neuron 2004 > > > > Figure 1. Task Schematic Depicting the Order and Timing of Events during > > Each Trial and Illustrating the Four Conditions at Response > > > > (A) All trials began with the serial presentation of three words > > followed by a bias cue. Subjects used this cue to select or prepare the > > expected response. Following a 3000 ms delay, a response cue was > > presented in red. The subject was given 1500 ms to respond. There were > > two types of Response cues, with each cueing either an Expected or > > Unexpected response, resulting in four conditions at response. > > > > (B) When a word (Repeat) cue was presented at response, subjects > > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of Repeat > > trials, the word cued the Expected response; on the remaining 25% of > > trials, the response was Unexpected. > > > > (C) When a number (Refresh) cue was presented, subjects covertly > > repeated the word from the memory set that corresponded to that number > > in ordinal position (e.g., "2" cued the second word). Again, on 75% of > > the trials the number cued the Expected response, and on 25% of the > > trials the response was Unexpected. > > > > On each trial, a 3 s delay followed presentation of the bias cue, and > > then a final response cue was presented to signal the target response to > > be immediately executed (Figure 1A). The response cue signaled either > > the expected or an unexpected response---a manipulation of response > > selection demands. Moreover, the cue stimulus either directly mapped > > onto a response or required access to recently active representations > > within working memory---a manipulation of refresh and > > subgoal/integration demands. These conditions and their implications for > > control processing are further detailed below. > > The sensitivity of PFC to "response selection" demands was tested by > > arranging a mismatch on conflict trials between the expected response, > > based on the bias cue, and the cued response (Figure 1B). On half of the > > trials, the response cue was a word (Repeat cue), and subjects were > > instructed to covertly repeat the word and press a button once having > > done so. The word was always one of the three words from that trial's > > memory set. Furthermore, 75% of the time the Repeat cue, and thus the > > response, was the same as the word that had been expected based on the > > bias cue presented prior to the delay and so was consistent with the > > Expected response (i.e., no response conflict). For the remaining 25% of > > Repeat trials, the response cue corresponded to one of the other words > > in the memory set, thus requiring an Unexpected response. Accordingly, > > during Unexpected trials, the prepared or prepotent response was > > incongruent with the response signaled by the response cue. Hence, > > analogous to the Stroop task, Repeat-Unexpected trials required > > selection of a response pathway based on bottom-up visual input in the > > face of a task-irrelevant, prepotent response (although, in contrast to > > Stroop, here the prepotent response was established by a top-down bias > > or selection process engaged upon presentation of the bias cue rather > > than a learned preexperimental association). Thus, for Repeat trials any > > sensitivity of PFC to expectation would reflect response conflict and > > response selection demands. > > To test the sensitivity of PFC to refresh and subgoaling/integration > > demands, we devised two additional conditions in which response conflict > > was present or absent in the face of a need to execute a subgoal > > entailing the integration of two cues, and to subsequently refresh a > > recently active representation (Raye et al., 2002). Specifically, in the > > Refresh condition, the response cue entailed a symbolic stimulus that > > required retrieval of a representation from within working memory, with > > some trials requiring an expected response and others requiring an > > unexpected response (Figure 1C). During the half of all events that were > > Refresh trials, the response cue was a number (Refresh cue), rather than > > a word. As with the bias cue, the Refresh cue referred to the ordinal > > position of one of the words. In response to the Refresh cue, subjects > > were to covertly repeat the corresponding word that was cued by the > > number (Raye et al., 2002) and to press a button once having done so. > > Hence, differential sensitivity to this condition over the Repeat > > condition might reflect processes engaged to refresh a recently active > > representation within working memory. Importantly, Refresh trials > > further required subgoaling/integration because the symbolic response > > cue had to be specified prior to response selection. That is, Refresh > > trials necessitated that the response cue be compared/integrated with > > the bias cue to determine if the prepared response was or was not the > > target response. This integration stage entailed execution of a subgoal > > en route to satisfying the global goal of executing a response > > independent of whether the response was expected or not, a distinction > > that differentiates this integration process from the hypothesized > > refresh process. Hence, to the extent that a region of PFC is engaged in > > refreshing, it should principally reveal a difference between > > Refresh-Unexpected and Repeat-Unexpected. Whereas, if a region of PFC is > > critical for subgoaling/integration, it should be sensitive to the need > > to Refresh regardless of whether the response is expected or unexpected, > > because both conditions require subgoaling and integration. > > In addition to the main effects of refreshing and > > subgoaling/integration, response conflict was also manipulated within > > the Refresh condition. As in the Repeat condition, for 75% of Refresh > > trials the number cued the same word as had been indicated by the bias > > cue, and so the response was Expected even though the representation > > cueing the response (a symbolic cue) differed from the prepared > > representation (the response word). For the remaining 25% of Refresh > > trials, the number cued one of the other two words, and so the response > > was Unexpected. Thus, as with the Repeat-Unexpected condition, the > > Refresh-Unexpected condition required a response in the presence of > > conflict from the prepared but irrelevant response. > > > > 0.gif > > 17KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:04:27 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:04:27 -0700 Subject: bypassing an attribute In-Reply-To: <49793ace-aa94-4db1-bbb5-21db5bc09ebc@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Liwenna, I'll look into it. On Jul 8, 2:01?am, liwenna wrote: > Hi Matt, > > You might try something using different 'slidestates'. A slide can > contain several 'states' which are basically several versions of the > slide... When looking at a slide in e-studio you see in the bottom > left corner that it is actually a kind of 'tab'. You can add > slidestates by clicking one of the icons in the top menu. This way you > could have one state that contains 5 values and one slide that > contains 10 and call them... 'five' and 'ten' (or whatever you > please). In your triallist you would make a separate variable that > would contain the name of the slidestate to be used (call it for > instance: nvalues) and for each trial (level) specify a slidestatename > in this variable (i.e. five in level1 and ten in level2). Back to the > slide: in the preferences you can specify which slidestate of the > slide should be shown; set it to show [nvalues] which tells e-prime > that the name of the slidestate to be used must be subtracted from the > variable nvalues for each showing of the slidestate. This way: for a 5 > value's trial value 6 to 10 might be determined by e-prime but as > there is no slide shown that 'calls on them' they will be 'bypassed'. > > Hope this helps! > > Best, > > AW > > On Jul 1, 7:37?pm, Matt Paffel wrote: > > > > > question for anyone who may know. I'm trying to design an experiment > > where each trial may contain a different number of values. for > > example; one trial may include values of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while > > another trial may contain values 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. > > the obvious problem is that the first trial has half as many > > attributes as the second. is there a way to make e-prime recognize > > this?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From hester.duffy at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:09:16 2010 From: hester.duffy at gmail.com (Hester Duffy) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:09:16 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing Message-ID: Hi All, This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an obvious answer! I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I don't think it's the list properties at fault either. Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right direction! I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. Many thanks for any pointers! H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:15:18 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:15:18 -0400 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C27B1@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mich Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . Best, On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape < Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of > these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and > the latter to one. That way, there?s a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being > unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spap?* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology*** > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 09:09:51 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:09:51 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, As I totally follow you when you say it would crash if it couldn't find the files, or if they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's not playing them, because it skips the SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline just before the object that plays the file and check whether it actually points correctly; whether the inline is encountered, etc. You could, for example, enter this in the user part of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): Dim trialnum as integer Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: Trialnum = trialnum + 1 Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename Then, simply check whether trials are skipped and whether all ...should plays... are filled. Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if that causes problems, but you could always test that. Best, Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Sound files not playing Hi All, This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an obvious answer! I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I don't think it's the list properties at fault either. Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right direction! I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. Many thanks for any pointers! H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From hester.duffy at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 10:22:03 2010 From: hester.duffy at gmail.com (Hester Duffy) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 +0100 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0395529C@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for your suggestion! It looks as though switching the sound file from buffered to streaming may have fixed the problem, but if it does it again, I shall try this! We're using .wavs, and they're all very short files, around 2 seconds or less. Cheers, H On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > As I totally follow you when you say it would crash if it couldn't find the files, or if they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's not playing them, because it skips the SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline just before the object that plays the file and check whether it actually points correctly; whether the inline is encountered, etc. You could, for example, enter this in the user part of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): > Dim trialnum as integer > > Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: > Trialnum = trialnum + 1 > > Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: > Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename > > Then, simply check whether trials are skipped and whether all ...should plays... are filled. > > Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if that causes problems, but you could always test that. > Best, > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy > Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Sound files not playing > > Hi All, > > This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only > really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an > obvious answer! > I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for > keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being > played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are > properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure > they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding > them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't > find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I > don't think it's the list properties at fault either. > Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not > getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right > direction! > > I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. > > Many thanks for any pointers! > > H > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 12:18:07 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:18:07 +0100 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're quite right - the server has been moved (or taken down, I don't know). I'm currently putting a new version online: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf Other essential things, such as my CV, will have to wait, I'm afraid (in dire need of updating anyway). Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 08 July 2010 18:15 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question Hi Mich Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . Best, On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape wrote: Hi, If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and the latter to one. That way, there's a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu , find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of atieh bakhtiar Sent: 02 July 2010 14:16 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Question Hi I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? Thanks -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 13:21:43 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (atieh bakhtiar) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:21:43 -0400 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF039553A4@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks... This will be help me a lot . Regards, Atieh Bakhtiar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Michiel Spape < Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > You?re quite right ? the server has been moved (or taken down, I don?t > know). I?m currently putting a new version online: > > http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf > > Other essential things, such as my CV, will have to wait, I?m afraid (in > dire need of updating anyway). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > > > *Michiel Spap?* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psycholog* > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 08 July 2010 18:15 > > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Question > > > > Hi Mich > > Thanks for your answer but I can not open this site ...It doesn't work . > > Best, > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Michiel Spape < > Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > If you have a list with 2 options (expected and unexpected), and both of > these are nested lists, you can just set the weight of the former to 3 and > the latter to one. That way, there?s a 1 in 4 chance of a cue being > unexpected (i.e. 25%). This is almost literally explained in the infamous > E-Primer: www.cognitology.eu, find pdf somewhere down the bottom of my cv > (takes some time to load, often better to right-click save-as). > > Best, > > Mich > > > > *Michiel Spap?* > > *Research Fellow* > > *Perception & Action group* > > *University of Nottingham* > > *School of Psychology* > > > > *From:* e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *atieh bakhtiar > *Sent:* 02 July 2010 14:16 > *To:* e-prime at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Question > > > > Hi > > I want to want to build a task which begins with the serial presentation of > three words followed by a bias cue. Subjects use this cue to select or > prepare the expect response.Following a 3s delay , a response cue gives 1.5 > s to respond .there are two types of response cues , with each cueing an > Expected or Unexpected response ,resulting in four conditions at > responses.When a word (repeat ) cue was presented at response , subjects > covertly repeated the word and pressed a button. On 75% of repeat trials , > the word cued the Expected response, on 25% of trials , the response has to > be unexpected . I want to know how can I build this task to show 75% > Expected and25% Unexpected... I mean how can I determin percentage of them? > > Thanks > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Atieh Bakhtiar > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > -- Atieh Bakhtiar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 18:46:32 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:46:32 -0700 Subject: Serial port input device Message-ID: Hey, I have recently created several response devices that are basically wires connected to buttons that feed in to either a serial port or a parallel port (depending on which we need to use). I am using e-prime 2.0 for this and setting up the parallel port was relatively easy and the buttons work just fine. However, when I try to use the buttons through a serial port the following happens: under the experiment tab and under devices I added a serial device and put in the correct parameters for the device, including the correct address (COM1). Now when I go to the object which I want the buttons responses to be recorded on and try to add the serial port as an input device, there is no option for a serial port. There are only options for a keyboard, mouse, and parallel port. Honestly, I am also unsure if, for some reason, the computer is unable to detect the device connected through the serial port. But, it works just fine for the parallel. I did not do the wiring for the serial port adapter but the buttons are connected to pin 1 or pin 2 (depending on the button), with what looks like a ground connected to pin 5. Any ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 19:21:30 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:21:30 -0400 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <2947a6e9-e2e9-4f1a-93d8-afe89f1c96bf@w10g2000vbn.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: By way of background, are these response devices that you have previously used with a serial port, and now they no longer work? Or is this the first time you have tried to use these with a serial port? If you have successfully used these before with a serial port then I would be very interested, because as a general rule getting input via serial port requires a lot more electronics than merely connecting a wire to the port, as you would know by looking up any common reference on serial ports. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/13/2010 02:46 PM Tuesday, you wrote: >I have recently created several response devices that are basically >wires connected to buttons that feed in to either a serial port or a >parallel port (depending on which we need to use). I am using e-prime >2.0 for this and setting up the parallel port was relatively easy and >the buttons work just fine. However, when I try to use the buttons >through a serial port the following happens: under the experiment tab >and under devices I added a serial device and put in the correct >parameters for the device, including the correct address (COM1). Now >when I go to the object which I want the buttons responses to be >recorded on and try to add the serial port as an input device, there >is no option for a serial port. There are only options for a keyboard, >mouse, and parallel port. > >Honestly, I am also unsure if, for some reason, the computer is unable >to detect the device connected through the serial port. But, it works >just fine for the parallel. I did not do the wiring for the serial >port adapter but the buttons are connected to pin 1 or pin 2 >(depending on the button), with what looks like a ground connected to >pin 5. > >Any ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 20:36:47 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:36:47 -0400 Subject: Sound files not playing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also make sure that you run this under Windows XP, not Vista. EP2 is known to have problems with sound under Vista. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/9/2010 06:22 AM Friday, you wrote: >Thanks for your suggestion! > >It looks as though switching the sound file from buffered to streaming >may have fixed the problem, but if it does it again, I shall try this! > >We're using .wavs, and they're all very short files, around 2 seconds or less. > >Cheers, > >H > > >On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hiya, > > As I totally follow you when you say it would > crash if it couldn't find the files, or if > they're wrongly encoded, I'm suspecting it's > not playing them, because it skips the > SoundObject, or whatnot. Enter a small inline > just before the object that plays the file and > check whether it actually points correctly; > whether the inline is encountered, etc. You > could, for example, enter this in the user part > of your experiment (alt+5, user tab): > > Dim trialnum as integer > > > > Then add this to the *very start of your trialproc: > > Trialnum = trialnum + 1 > > > > Then add this to just before the soundstimulus: > > Debug.Print "Trial: " & trialnum & " should play " & SoundStimulus.Filename > > > > Then, simply check whether trials are skipped > and whether all ...should plays... are filled. > > > > Also: do you use any mp3s? I don't know if > that causes problems, but you could always test that. > > Best, > > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hester Duffy > > Sent: 08 July 2010 18:09 > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > Subject: Sound files not playing > > > > Hi All, > > > > This may be a stupid question; I'm not a programmer, and am only > > really learning e-prime as I go along, so I do apologise if there's an > > obvious answer! > > I have a program which plays short soundfiles and then asks for > > keypress responses to them. However, some of the files are not being > > played; I'm getting a short silence instead. The soundfiles exist, are > > properly named, and contain the correct content, so I'm fairly sure > > they are not the problem. I'm also fairly sure e-prime is finding > > them, because it crashes if it's asked to use a file which it can't > > find. It seems to be happening intermittently within a block, so I > > don't think it's the list properties at fault either. > > Any suggestions as to where else the problem might lie? I'm not > > getting any compiler or run errors, which would point me in the right > > direction! > > > > I'm using v2.0 professional, if that makes any difference. > > > > Many thanks for any pointers! > > > > H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:03:25 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:03:25 -0700 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <4c3cbcc9.ccbce70a.31bf.ffffd9ffSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: The buttons are connected to an adapter via RCA cables. We have an adapter for a parallel port and for a serial port. The adapters were supposedly made by a colleagues engineering department at his university, they also hooked the wires up inside of the adapter to the pins I mentioned earlier. Pins 1 and 2 for buttons 1 and 2 and pin 5 for a ground. The buttons and adapter for the parallel port work just fine in Eprime 2.0. However, the serial port and adapter does not. And this is the first time that we have tried them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 21:05:49 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:05:49 -0400 Subject: Uploading files to the Group? Message-ID: At 6/30/2010 01:03 PM Wednesday, Michiel Spape wrote (in http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/94dfffb6e6d8ce71 ): >By the way, it would be brilliant if we could update experiments >here, but I think at the moment, one has to be moderator in order to >do this. This is really a shame as it stops this group from reaching >its full potential as a board of discussion and international >collaboration in psychology and associated sciences. Indeed, I have been preparing some little demo programs as part of my "Mastering E-Prime" series, but if I cannot upload these files to the Group then I cannot present my lessons. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Jul 13 21:16:26 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:16:26 -0400 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <69dbb63b-e636-4847-8e77-e0e710200d1d@e5g2000yqn.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: >this is the first time that we have tried them [serial port and adapter]. And that is the key factor here. I think you should give up on the serial port, there is a reason that the PST Serial Response Box costs $700. But if you want to persist, here are a few thoughts: 1) Get the book "Serial Port Complete" by Jan Axelson. 2) Build your serial adapter to emulate the SRBox, then just treat it as an ordinary SRBox in EP. If you examine the SRBox communications with a simple terminal emulater (e.g., Terminal Plus!) then you should be able to reverse engineer it. 3) Just purchase a PST SRBox, then you can connect your button box to the SRBox and let the SRBox act as the serial adapter. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:44:28 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:44:28 -0700 Subject: Serial port input device In-Reply-To: <4c3cd7db.ccbce70a.35a1.ffffe32cSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the suggestions I will look in to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 22:57:29 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:57:29 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen Message-ID: G'day I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts to a single screen. -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) My Experiment: I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi choice question. Problem: I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out success either. Many thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jlsmith at aecom.yu.edu Tue Jul 13 23:18:36 2010 From: jlsmith at aecom.yu.edu (Jeremy Smith Ph.D.) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it something they could "page" through by pressing a button? (You could split the passages into several slides.) If it's just a matter of fitting the text in the text box, select the text box itself and drag its corners to resize (assuming the text is on a general slide- slide and not a text display). Be sure to leave some white space around the text box. __________________________ Jeremy L. Smith, Ph.D. Neuroscientist/DBIT Gruss MRRC, AECOM On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > G'day > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > to a single screen. > -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > choice question. > > Problem: > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > success either. > > Many thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:57:32 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:57:32 -0400 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you can increase the screen resolution under Edit>Experiment... make the screen bigger that way. additionally, have you fiddled with the font size? make the font smaller. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > G'day > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > to a single screen. > -If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > choice question. > > Problem: > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > display. I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > success either. > > Many thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we orginally had real issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) ------AudioReport file ouput ----- *-* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *0* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* * * *Unknown* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *-* *-* * * *2* * * *1000* * * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run CodecConfig and try again.* * * * * * * * * * * *-* *-* * * *1* * * *-10729902* * * * * * * * * * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.head at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 21:31:28 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:31:28 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately I need the whole text to be on one page. I am getting some Near Infared Spec measures while they read the text. Thank you for the suggestion though. On Jul 14, 11:18?am, "Jeremy Smith Ph.D." wrote: > Is it something they could "page" through by pressing a button? ?(You ? > could split the passages into several slides.) If it's just a matter ? > of fitting the text in the text box, select the text box itself and ? > drag its corners to resize (assuming the text is on a general slide- > slide and not a text display). ?Be sure to leave some white space ? > around the text box. > > __________________________ > Jeremy L. Smith, Ph.D. > Neuroscientist/DBIT > Gruss MRRC, AECOM > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > > > > > G'day > > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > > to a single screen. > > ?-If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > > choice question. > > > Problem: > > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > > display. ?I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > > success either. > > > Many thanks > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google ? > > Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en > > .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 02:49:31 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:49:31 -0700 Subject: Fitting a long text to a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben, Worked like a charm, Thanks! On Jul 15, 12:57?am, ben robinson wrote: > you can increase the screen resolution under Edit>Experiment... make the > screen bigger that way. > additionally, have you fiddled with the font size? ?make the font smaller. > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, KiwiPG wrote: > > G'day > > > I am having some difficulty finding information on fitting long texts > > to a single screen. > > ?-If I perhaps overlooked this topic in the user book or somewhere on > > here I would appreciate a point in the right direction :) > > > My Experiment: > > I am presenting participants with a reading/comprehension task. > > Essentially a participant will read a passage followed by a Multi > > choice question. > > > Problem: > > I am having difficulty fitting a passage to a screen. When I run the > > experiment it only shows a portion of the middle of the total text > > display. ?I have messed with all the Text display properties and still > > can not seem to get it to fit. I tried doing a screen capture of my > > passage in MS word and uploading as a bitmap into Slide with out > > success either. > > > Many thanks > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liatlevita at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 08:25:31 2010 From: liatlevita at gmail.com (Liat Levita) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:25:31 +0100 Subject: Eprime 2-sound file problem Message-ID: Dear All, After updating E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I try to run my script, which ran smoothly on previous Eprime2, I get an error message about being unable to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been changed in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says to look up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,which, I pasted below. This is a rather serious problem since we can now no longer run our experiment, and I have saw someone else on the eprime support forum have exactly the same problem, but no solution has yet been posted. Regards, Liat PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we originally had serious issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) ------AudioReport file ouput ----- *-* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *0* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* *-* *-* * * *0* * * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* * * *Unknown* * * *0* * * *0* * * *1* * * *-* *-* * * *2* * * *1000* * * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run CodecConfig and try again.* * * * * * * * * * * *-* *-* * * *1* * * *-10729902* * * * * * * * * * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susangc7 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 14:05:38 2010 From: susangc7 at gmail.com (Susan) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:05:38 -0700 Subject: load sound 203 error message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi List, What happened when you ran CodecConfig? I got this message on a couple of computers, but it's worked for me after that step. (CodecConfig should be in the same folder with E-Studio, IIRC, if you can't find it.) Thanks, Susan On Jul 14, 12:01?pm, Liat Levita wrote: > Dear All, > I recently updated ?my version of E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I > try to run my script, which ran smoothly on version 2.0.8.22, we get an > error message about being unalble to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been > chnaged in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says to look > up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,I attach that output > here (Joyful_Classic.wav-AudioLoadReport), as well as our paradigm. > > We would appreciate your help very much., This is a rather serious problem > since we can now no longer run our experiment. > > Regards, > Liat > PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we orginally had real issues with > our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) > > ------AudioReport file ouput ----- > > *-* > > ?*-* > > ?*-* > > ?* * *0* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *1* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *1* > ?*-* > > ?*-* > > ?* * *0* > ?* * *{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}* Source> > ?* * *Unknown* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *0* > ?* * *1* > ?* * > ?*-* > > ?*-* > > ?* * *2* > ?* * *1000* > ?* * *Unable to find mapping for CodecConfig. Run > CodecConfig and try again.* > * * > * * > ?* * > * * > * * > ?*-* > > ?*-* > > ?* * *1* > ?* * *-10729902* > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schubertt at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 16:01:05 2010 From: schubertt at gmail.com (Teresa) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0700 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? Message-ID: Hello all, My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block. I know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has reached criterion AND ...etc. Let me know if that's unclear at all, and thank you for any ideas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 15 16:55:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:55:58 +0100 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Where do you get stuck, exactly? I mean, since you seem to be able to do the counting and repeating for one 'general' type of trial, what exactly is the difficulty with using many? Of course, you could do this in various ingenious ways using nice arrays and whatnot, but a ton of if-then algorithms should suffice, I'd think. So, different counters for different stimuli: - Instead of declaring and counting one counter, have many. Say, we want our subject to do each of two stimulustypes 6 times: Userscript: Dim CounterStimulusType1 as integer Dim CounterStimulusType2 as integer Trial: If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 1 then CounterStimulusType1 = CounterStimulusType1 + 1 If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 2 then CounterStimulusType2 = CounterStimulusType2 + 1 ... etc If (CounterStimulusType1 >= 6) AND (CounterStimulusType2 >= 6) then 'if either one hasn't reached 6 Don't do repetition code Else Do repetition code End if Or am I missing something? Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: 15 July 2010 17:01 To: E-Prime Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? Hello all, My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block. I know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has reached criterion AND ...etc. Let me know if that's unclear at all, and thank you for any ideas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 15 18:46:03 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:46:03 -0400 Subject: Eprime 2-sound file problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Liat, EP2.0.8.74 seems to have introduced new bugs with sound (movies too, it seems). I recommend simply reverting to 2.0.8.22 until PST comes out with a fix, you almost certainly do not need whatever they added in 2.0.8.74. In the meantime, please also submit a request to PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp so that they might take notice and fix this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/15/2010 04:25 AM Thursday, you wrote: >Dear All, >After updating E-Prime to version 2.0.8.74, and when I try to run my >script, which ran smoothly on previous Eprime2, I get an error >message about being unable to load soundfile 203. Nothing has been >changed in the script nor have any files moved. The error also says >to look up an Audio Report file in the My Experiments folder,which, >I pasted below. > >This is a rather serious problem since we can now no longer run our >experiment, and I have saw someone else on the eprime support forum >have exactly the same problem, but no solution has yet been posted. > >Regards, >Liat >PS. We are running Eprime 2 in XP (since we originally had serious >issues with our sounds files when we were trying to run eprime 2 in windows 7) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 15 20:59:28 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:59:28 -0400 Subject: How to create a reusable template? In-Reply-To: <693A3E25-3455-4265-A91E-127EF8AAEFA1@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: In EP2.0.8.22 (and perhaps earlier) there is an easier way. Simply put a copy of whatever .es2 file you like into the Templates folder of the E-Prime 2.0 program directory. Then that .es2 file will show up as an option in the "New E-Prime 2.0 Experiment" dialog. You may add and remove templates to suit your own needs. EP2.0.8.73/74 improves on this by adding options (under Tools > Options) to allow you to set any folder as a Templates folder. I don't know where PST intends to document this, I don't see it in the New Features Guide for EP2. I only know about this because PST staff was nice enough to answer when I asked about this. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 6/25/2010 03:36 PM Friday, Chris Blais wrote: >Perhaps more primitive, but when I want to do that, I just set the >file to readonly at the OS level (i.e., right click, properties, readonly). >If you try to save over it, it won't let you. > >On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:20 PM, dpschpak wrote: > > > I was wondering if there is a way I can create my own template to show > > up as an option in the dialog box when I start up E-Studio? The > > options would read for example: > > > > Blank Blank(Professional) Basic Basic(Professional) > > PersonalizedTemplate > > > > I am trying to avoid the potential for future RAs to accidentally Save > > over a template file that is just in a folder rather than Save As, and > > subsequently having their world collapse around them. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Fri Jul 16 10:17:41 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:17:41 -0700 Subject: Using WordWrap with Text Display Message-ID: Hi All, I am having problems with the TextDisplay Wordwrap option. I have tried this with v1(SP3) and v2.0.8.22. Is there a bug in the software? I have also posted this problem on the PST forum with an attached example file. Cheers Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schubertt at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 15:01:39 2010 From: schubertt at gmail.com (Teresa) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:01:39 -0700 Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A228@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you! I realize it was a quite simple question, but that was exactly what I was stuck on. On Jul 15, 12:55?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > Where do you get stuck, exactly? I mean, since you seem to be able to do the counting and repeating for one 'general' type of trial, what exactly is the difficulty with using many? Of course, you could do this in various ingenious ways using nice arrays and whatnot, but a ton of if-then algorithms should suffice, I'd think. > So, different counters for different stimuli: > - Instead of declaring and counting one counter, have many. Say, we want our subject to do each of two stimulustypes 6 times: > Userscript: > Dim CounterStimulusType1 as integer > Dim CounterStimulusType2 as integer > > Trial: > If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 1 then CounterStimulusType1 = CounterStimulusType1 + 1 > If c.getAttrib ("myStimulusType") = 2 then CounterStimulusType2 = CounterStimulusType2 + 1 > ... etc > > If (CounterStimulusType1 >= 6) AND (CounterStimulusType2 >= 6) then 'if either one hasn't reached 6 > ? ? ? ? Don't do repetition code > Else > ? ? ? ? Do repetition code > End if > > Or am I missing something? > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa > Sent: 15 July 2010 17:01 > To: E-Prime > Subject: correct response counter by stimulus? > > Hello all, > My experiment involves learning a block of stimuli to a criterion (6 > correct responses in a row) before advancing to the next block. ?I > know how to put in an inline with an overall correct response counter > and set it to repeat the block or advance to the next one, but don't > know how tie the counter to each stimulus-- what I really need is a > counter for each individual stimulus and then to tie them together > such that you only advance to the next block when the counter for > stimulus 1 has reached criterion AND the counter for stimulus 2 has > reached criterion AND ...etc. ?Let me know if that's unclear at all, > and thank you for any ideas! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From atieh.moonlight at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:31:41 2010 From: atieh.moonlight at gmail.com (Atieh) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: Send a Signal from E-Prime to COBI Message-ID: Hi All I want to send a signal through serial port from e-prime to an external device (fNIR COBI system) but I don't know what I have to include in my "inline" object . Also, which stage of my e-prime program I should insert the serial port object. I really appriciate if somebody help me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From james.head at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 05:01:47 2010 From: james.head at gmail.com (KiwiPG) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:01:47 -0700 Subject: Near infrared Spec/Exp/Harmony Message-ID: G'day, Situation: I have a near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) machine that I would like to run in conjunction with an Eprime experiment. The NIRS machine is able to connect to the computer via Bluetooth connection. Unfortunately there is no hardwiring connection. I was able to see that the computer is receiving a signal through the com 5 port. I would like to get a NIRS measurement during target exposure. I am not exactly sure how to treat the Bluetooth connection in Eprime. Seems like most of the lit deals with serial& // port connections. I thought I could add ?Port? device to ?Input Masks? in my experiment but that does not seem to work. Questions: Do I need to write inline script for this to work? I have scoured the forums/web and could not find an example that deals with Bluetooth device connection. If anyone has an example script or even knows where I can look that would be wicked sweet. Future thanks, Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 14:34:11 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:34:11 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Message-ID: Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 14:41:00 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: how much text are you talking about? eprime's default screen resolution is only 640x480, which is *tiny*. and their default font size is pretty large. if you're using both of these defaults you may simply find there's not a lot of text you can fit all on the screen at one time... On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Evertox wrote: > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 14:58:33 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:58:33 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean ----------- dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s ---------- How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 15:39:41 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:39:41 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A82E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oops, there's a slight problem with the code below; sorry about that. This should work better: dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 1+len(inputstring)-previousnum) debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s tring ------------ Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 19 July 2010 15:59 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi, Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean ----------- dim inputstring as string dim outputstring as string dim previousnum as integer dim i as integer inputstring = "This is an example string" previousnum = 1 for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" previousnum = i next i debug.print outputstring ------------ Output: This is an exam ple s ---------- How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 To: E-Prime Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hello, I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is ALL shown on the screen. I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve this. I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient objects but have not succeeded so far. I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 15:45:15 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:45:15 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A82E@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it is on the pstnet forum - http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word document. Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so they cannot see what they have typed. As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 3:58?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > ? ? ? ? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > ? ? ? ? Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > ? ? ? ? The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > ----------- > > dim inputstring as string > dim outputstring as string > dim previousnum as integer > dim i as integer > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > previousnum = 1 > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > ? ? ? ? outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > ? ? ? ? previousnum = i > next i > > debug.print outputstring > ------------ > Output: > This > is an > ?exam > ple s > > ---------- > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 16:13:30 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:13:30 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <7b7ddcb4-f009-467c-8aba-3007634ecaa3@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Anthony, First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP Goto Label1 End if If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi Michiel, First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it is on the pstnet forum - http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word document. Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so they cannot see what they have typed. As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 3:58?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > ? ? ? ? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > ? ? ? ? Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > ? ? ? ? The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > ----------- > > dim inputstring as string > dim outputstring as string > dim previousnum as integer > dim i as integer > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > previousnum = 1 > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > ? ? ? ? outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > ? ? ? ? previousnum = i > next i > > debug.print outputstring > ------------ > Output: > This > is an > ?exam > ple s > > ---------- > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hello, > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > ALL shown on the screen. > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > this. > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > objects but have not succeeded so far. > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > Anthony McGuffie > Coventry University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 16:47:59 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:47:59 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A0A872@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a small subject group for user support. I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. I used to be able to do this a while back. I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is mentioned in the help files. I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 5:13?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Anthony, > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then > ? ? ? ? TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP > ? ? ? ? Goto Label1 > End if > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > document. > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > they cannot see what they have typed. > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 3:58?pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > > ? ? ? ? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > > ? ? ? ? Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > > ? ? ? ? The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > ----------- > > > dim inputstring as string > > dim outputstring as string > > dim previousnum as integer > > dim i as integer > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > previousnum = 1 > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > > ? ? ? ? outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > > ? ? ? ? previousnum = i > > next i > > > debug.print outputstring > > ------------ > > Output: > > This > > is an > > ?exam > > ple s > > > ---------- > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hello, > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > ALL shown on the screen. > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > this. > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > Anthony McGuffie > > Coventry University > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 17:19:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:19:58 +0100 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Message-ID: Hiya, If you like, you are welcome to email the e-prime 1 file to me; I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens Evertox Verzonden: ma 19-7-2010 17:47 Aan: E-Prime Onderwerp: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen Hi Michiel, I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a small subject group for user support. I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. I used to be able to do this a while back. I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is mentioned in the help files. I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 5:13 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi Anthony, > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then > TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP > Goto Label1 > End if > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > document. > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > they cannot see what they have typed. > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > > The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > > Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > > The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > ----------- > > > dim inputstring as string > > dim outputstring as string > > dim previousnum as integer > > dim i as integer > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > previousnum = 1 > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > > outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > > previousnum = i > > next i > > > debug.print outputstring > > ------------ > > Output: > > This > > is an > > exam > > ple s > > > ---------- > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hello, > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > ALL shown on the screen. > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > this. > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > Anthony McGuffie > > Coventry University > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Subjects are presented with 10 to 20 target opportunities and receive a 1 for correct and a 0 for incorrect detection of the signals. I want to assign a single measure of sensitivity to each subject based on hits at the various levels of the signal strength. Each target does have an indirect measure of ?noise? in the form of subject matter expert agreement as to the true level of the signal strength. So for example, a certain target may have perfect SME agreement and thus theoretically have no noise while another may have 10% SME disagreement as to its true signal strength and thus have that degree of noise. Any assistance any one could offer would be very much appreciated. Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 12:33:25 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:33:25 -0700 Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAFF0BC38@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just to let everyone know. With the help of Michiel, i have resolved the problem. Unlike Microsoft Word and NotePad, the wordwrap option in E-Prime requires a SPACE inserted on each line. Cheers Anthony McGuffie On Jul 19, 6:19?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > If you like, you are welcome to email the e-prime 1 file to me; I'll have a look at it tomorrow. > Best, > Mich > > ________________________________ > > Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens Evertox > Verzonden: ma 19-7-2010 17:47 > Aan: E-Prime > Onderwerp: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > Hi Michiel, > > I appreciate your knowledge and assistance and I understand this is a > small subject group for user support. > > I am having a problem uploading files to this Group for user viewing. > I used to be able to do this a while back. > > I have sent the example file to PST support for troubleshooting and > just wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this issue. > > CR and LF is the old Carriage Return and Line Feed (Return). It is > mentioned in the help files. > > I have used both EP1(Service Pack 3) and EP2 to test this problem. I > will upload a EP1 sample version to the PST forum for others to view. > > Cheers > > Anthony McGuffie > > On Jul 19, 5:13 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > First off, to cite David McFarlane, " I do not work for PST.", a bit of effort spent on clarity would be much appreciated. What is CR / LF? I looked at the file, but it's an e-prime 2 file, so I can't do much about it (I only have e-prime 1 here). I tried using an Echo object on a simple display object in E-Prime 1 and it seems to do the word-wrap correctly. > > > If you like, you could also run a text-display in a little loop to do exactly the same as the echo function; i.e., just enter a Label (let's say, Label1) just before the text display, set the text display's max count to 1 again, duration to 10 ms (or something) and check the response. Say, the textdisplay is called TextDisplay1, then use something like: > > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> {ENTER} then > > ? ? ? ? TextDisplay1.TEXT = TextDisplay1.TEXT & TextDisplay1.RESP > > ? ? ? ? Goto Label1 > > End if > > > If word-wrap works for a normal textdisplay, then it ought to work for this as well. If it doesn't... perhaps a bug in your version of e-prime? > > > Sorry if I can't be of much more help - lacking E-Prime2, I expect somebody else might be of more use. > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > Sent: 19 July 2010 16:45 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Re: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > Hi Michiel, > > > First off, i cannot upload an example file to the files section so it > > is on the pstnet forum -http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic671-5-1.aspx > > > I am using the TextDisplay Echo option recording participants thoughts > > for 5 minuites and showing them what thae have typed just like a word > > document. > > > Everything works except for a CR and LF at the end of the screen so > > they cannot see what they have typed. > > > As Quoted by Matt Lenhrart at PST in this thread------"make sure the > > "Word Wrap" box is checked so that long responses will not go off- > > screen (i.e. they will simply move down to the next line)." > > > Cheers > > > Anthony McGuffie > > > On Jul 19, 3:58 pm, Michiel Spape > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Could you explain a bit more as to what exactly your problem is? Is text left and right disappearing from the screen (say, from every line of text), or do you just try to fit more text on a screen than can be displayed (such that the last bits of text at the very end are cut off)? Or, finally, is the problem that no new-lines are entered into the textdisplay echo (if you're using that)? > > > ? ? ? ? The first possible issue, which could conceivably be your problem, usually happens because the monitor isn't correctly configured to display 640x480 resolutions (a rather ancient - say, windows 3.1 - default resolution). To do something about that, just run your experiment and fiddle with the monitor until the width and height are actually within the scope of the screen. > > > ? ? ? ? Obviously, the second of these issues cannot magically be resolved; I mean, given that you're using a full-screen text display, it can only contain so much text before there's no more screen left. Changing font-size or resolution will, as said, fix that problem, as would some implementation of 'press N for next page'; but apart from that, a box can only contain so many objects before the contents will spill over, so to say. > > > ? ? ? ? The third issue, word-wrap itself being the problem, might be resolved by manually (as in, with some code) adding new-lines to the text. I suppose that can't be too hard. Dump this in an empty experiment as an inline and run to see what I mean > > > ----------- > > > > dim inputstring as string > > > dim outputstring as string > > > dim previousnum as integer > > > dim i as integer > > > inputstring = "This is an example string" > > > > previousnum = 1 > > > for i = 6 to len(inputstring) step 5 > > > ? ? ? ? outputstring = outputstring & mid(inputstring, previousnum, 5) & "\n" > > > ? ? ? ? previousnum = i > > > next i > > > > debug.print outputstring > > > ------------ > > > Output: > > > This > > > is an > > > ?exam > > > ple s > > > > ---------- > > > How's that? This piece of code converts the inputstring to a rather crudely cut outputstring, by adding new lines after every 5th letter. Of course, you'd need to find out how many letters fit on the screen, then adjusting 'step 5' to 'step howmanyletters' and 'for i = 6' to 'for I = howmanyletters + 1' > > > Best, > > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spap? > > > Research Fellow > > > Perception & Action group > > > University of Nottingham > > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > > > Sent: 19 July 2010 15:34 > > > To: E-Prime > > > Subject: Stopping Entered Text disappearing off screen > > > > Hello, > > > I asked a question last week regarding a TextDisplay WordWrap problem. > > > Does anybody have a script to ensure a participants text entered is > > > ALL shown on the screen. > > > I do not want to change the screen resolution or font size to achieve > > > this. > > > I am trying a few methods based on the InputMask and EchoClient > > > objects but have not succeeded so far. > > > I need something fairly quickly and would appreciate assistance. > > > Anthony McGuffie > > > Coventry University > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From huskypuplab at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 15:14:17 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:14:17 -0700 Subject: Movie issues Message-ID: Greetings, Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really find anything. The closest thing we could find would be: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/23309095770f9615/46650da6fe80f2a1 Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload the movie." At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- prime. Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 15:07:02 2010 From: jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk (jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:07:02 -0700 Subject: courses for e-prime Message-ID: Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From meg.andrejczuk at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 15:10:16 2010 From: meg.andrejczuk at gmail.com (Megan Andrejczuk) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:10:16 -0400 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: <325b9fd2-38f4-4c18-9a1a-5f6aa0a65975@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: I have been very interested in an eprime course also! Jane, if you do come across any info would you mind passing it along and I will do the same? Thanks! Meg On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk < jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even > better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach > a group of staff? 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 15:20:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:20:57 +0100 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Bring me over J In the meantime, there's the infamously imperfect E-Primer on here: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf and should that fail to load, right click on the file here, and save as: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/ Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Megan Andrejczuk Sent: 23 July 2010 16:10 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: courses for e-prime I have been very interested in an eprime course also! Jane, if you do come across any info would you mind passing it along and I will do the same? Thanks! Meg On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk wrote: Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huskypuplab at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 19:15:27 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:15:27 -0700 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some additional information: We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. On Jul 22, 11:14?am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > Greetings, > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > find anything. > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > > ?The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > the movie." > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > prime. > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From rayv at uoregon.edu Fri Jul 23 23:27:35 2010 From: rayv at uoregon.edu (Ray Vukcevich) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:27:35 -0700 Subject: No parallel port for upgrade Message-ID: We are attempting to install an upgrade version 2 of e-prime on a newer laptop that has NO parallel port. During the upgrade validation process, the installer wants the old v. 1 key to be attached, but there is no parallel port to connect it. Is there a workaround for this issue? Someone know what to do? Thanks. Ray -- Ray Vukcevich University of Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 08:07:14 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:07:14 +0100 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: <4ed8b231-87b9-49b1-a5ba-e96a58cfddc2@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, Have you tried: A - running the same experiment on a different computer? B - cleaning the computer from all 3rd party codecs and whatnot, and then, perhaps installing something like k-lite codec pack? Different codecs very often conflict with one another. C - using the movieRT file with your experiment (or vice versa)? If the movieRT experiment can't run your video, but can run its own video, it's very likely still a codec problem. Conversely, if your experiment can't run the movieRT video file, I would think there's a problem with your experiment (rather than the video file). Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bortfeld Sent: 23 July 2010 20:15 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Movie issues Some additional information: We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. On Jul 22, 11:14?am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > Greetings, > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > find anything. > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > > ?The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > the movie." > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > prime. > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > file? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From huskypuplab at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:28:17 2010 From: huskypuplab at gmail.com (Heather Bortfeld) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:28:17 -0700 Subject: Movie issues In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A96BD9@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, Thanks for your input. A-We tried, and we're still getting the same errors. B-We tried that, to no avail C-We're not exactly sure how to go about interchanging videos in the movieRT file. We've looked all over, but we're not sure to input our movie source. At this point, we're pretty sure it's a codec issue, and we're emailing the e-prime group. We just thought we'd try our luck here since we could get a faster response. Thanks for your input! Another question we have though, is that we're planning on getting a dedicated machine for our experiments, that will have 3-4 monitors connected to it. We're going to be running e-prime 2.0 on windows XP, and RAM should not be an issue. However, we were wondering if anyone could suggest a good videocard that might be able to get the job done. Thanks! On Jul 26, 4:07?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Have you tried: > A - running the same experiment on a different computer? > B - cleaning the computer from all 3rd party codecs and whatnot, and then, perhaps installing something like k-lite codec pack? Different codecs very often conflict with one another. > C - using the movieRT file with your experiment (or vice versa)? If the movieRT experiment can't run your video, but can run its own video, it's very likely still a codec problem. Conversely, if your experiment can't run the movieRT video file, I would think there's a problem with your experiment (rather than the video file). > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychology > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bortfeld > Sent: 23 July 2010 20:15 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Movie issues > > Some additional information: > We're running E-Prime 2.0 on a Windows XP system. I'm not in a > position to check the hardware of the computer at the time, but > judging from circumstances(MovieRT is able to play while our video > cannot), I do not think this is a hardware issue. > > On Jul 22, 11:14?am, Heather Bortfeld wrote: > > Greetings, > > > Our group is having issues in getting movies to play in E-Prime. We > > scoured the web for any sort of tutorials, but we could not really > > find anything. > > > The closest thing we could find would be:http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/233090957... > > > Our problems are not exactly the same, in that we were able to play > > MovieRT, but we could still get the same error message when we tried > > to input our movies. We have tried converting the movie to different > > versions (divx to mpeg2) to no avail. > > > ?The .divx file gave us an error that read, "this application has > > requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." While > > the .mpeg gave us the error "An error occurred while attempting toload > > the movie." > > > At this point we're not sure if it's the file or if we're inputting > > the movie file incorrectly. We dissected the MovieRT file in hopes of > > finding out to properly set up an experiment that involves movies, but > > we cannot figure out how the box files and such are linked to the e- > > prime. > > > Could anyone provide a breakdown of how exactly one inputs a movie > > file? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Jul 26 21:02:21 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:02:21 -0400 Subject: courses for e-prime In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03A96AD2@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I would gladly run an E-Prime training workshop, if someone could arrange the facilities and take care of bookkeeping, etc. I would base this on workshops that I already conduct for people at my institution, and could teach both basic and advanced levels as needed. We would have to discuss details such as fees, travel, lodging, etc. Please e-mail me separately if interested. Mich, don't you already run E-Prime training sessions for folks over there in Europe? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/23/2010 11:20 AM Friday, Michiel Spap? wrote: >Hiya, >Bring me over J >In the meantime, there?s the infamously imperfect E-Primer on here: >http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf >and should that fail to load, right click on the file here, and save as: >http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/ > >Mich > >Michiel Spap? >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Megan Andrejczuk >Sent: 23 July 2010 16:10 >To: e-prime at googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: courses for e-prime > >I have been very interested in an eprime course >also! Jane, if you do come across any info would >you mind passing it along and I will do the same? > >Thanks! > >Meg >On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, >jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk ><jane.skyner at uwe.ac.uk> wrote: >Hi all, does anyone know of any courses that run for e-prime, or even >better whether it is possible to get someone to visit the uni to teach >a group of staff? Many thanks J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Jul 26 21:06:30 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:06:30 -0400 Subject: Using WordWrap with Text Display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to wrap up this thread for the record, this issue got re-posted and solved at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/6ecee8f8983f7cb2 . -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/16/2010 06:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: >Hi All, >I am having problems with the TextDisplay Wordwrap option. >I have tried this with v1(SP3) and v2.0.8.22. >Is there a bug in the software? >I have also posted this problem on the PST forum with an attached >example file. >Cheers >Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 14:54:30 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:54:30 -0700 Subject: Using mouse as input device Message-ID: Hi all, Before burdening the group with a question with probably a very simple answer I have scoured this group, the pst forum and the user manuals for help with this but to no avail, and alas none of my colleagues use E-prime so I'm at a loss. So I am once again turning to you for help with this programme. In all my previous experiments I have created I have always used the keyboard as the input device for participants responses. However for this experiment it is not possible. There are a few conditions but for the most simple I merely need the participant to click on a picture when it appears onscreen using the mouse. It is not really so important where on the screen they click (so the location of the click won't be recorded).Really, all I need to know is how to set it so the allowable response for the mouse is to left click. This is what I want to be the terminating factor in a trial, in the same way that I would type {SPACE} if I were using the keyboard as the input device. I am completely at a loss as to why I can't find this information myself online/ in the beginner's guide/ reference guide. Can any one help me out? Or have I simply lost my mind? Yours, in semi sanity, Aoife McLoughlin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 15:04:48 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:04:48 -0700 Subject: Using mouse as input device In-Reply-To: <12e0110b-f087-4f50-ab33-3d76fa609665@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Found it!!!!!!!!! Sometimes I guess you need to just take a break for a few minutes. 1 = left button, 2= right button (for anyone else who hadn't understood that instinctively) ! Thanks anyway guys :) On Jul 28, 3:54?pm, aoifemcloughlin wrote: > Hi all, > > Before burdening the group with a question with probably a very simple > answer I have scoured this group, the pst forum and the user manuals > for help with this but to no avail, and alas none of my colleagues use > E-prime so I'm at a loss. So I am once again turning to you for help > with this programme. > > In all my previous experiments I have created I have always used the > keyboard as the input device for participants responses. However for > this experiment it is not possible. There are a few conditions but for > the most simple I merely need the participant to click on a picture > when it appears onscreen using the mouse. It is not really so > important where on the screen they click (so the location of the click > won't be recorded).Really, all I need to know is how to set it so the > allowable response for the mouse is to left click. This is what I want > to be the terminating factor in a trial, in the same way that I would > type {SPACE} if I were using the keyboard as the input device. > > I am completely at a loss as to why I can't find this information > myself online/ in the beginner's guide/ reference guide. > > Can any one help me out? Or have I simply lost my mind? > > Yours, in semi sanity, > > Aoife McLoughlin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 20:01:43 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:01:43 -0700 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy Message-ID: Hey, I have programmed a stop-signal paradigm and the only way I could figure out how to have a left red arrow (STOP) appear after a left green arrow and a right red arrow appear after a right green arrow was to have two difference procedures. Total I have 3 procedures. One presents a green arrow and the person responds to the direction of the arrow. The second procedure a green left arrow appears and after a designated period of time this arrow turns red, if the arrow turns red the person must withhold a response. This is the same for the right green/red arrow, which is the third procedure. Of course they are all randomized so there is a 70% chance a green arrow will appear and stay green, 15% chance for a left green to appear and turn red, 15% chance for a right green to appear and turn red. I would like to have feedback displays after every block, that only reports the specific data for that block, and I know how to set this up. My question itself regards collapsing across right and left stop accuracies. I would like to combine procedure 2 and 3 to report their combined accuracy. My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries). Note: I have to have seperate names for the images the record the responses since two of them have specific images that must be presented. I know I can do this when I create a syntax file to strip them down and recombine them in to spss. But, it would be easier to have it already done for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 04:43:15 2010 From: fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com (Fiona) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:43:15 -0700 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property Message-ID: Hi, I'm not sure if I'm missing something... I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to register the response and using HitTest to record and score the location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the screen until a response is recorded. I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. participants need to respond twice). Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a single slide? Any help would be great! Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 11:17:31 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:17:31 +0100 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <74596d8c-606f-43bb-97fe-013f712c5623@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, Coincidentally, I'm just working on a stop-signal task at the moment! You might want to reconsider the part where you seem to need different procedures for different conditions, especially, as you later say, if you then also have different objects for different conditions. In general, it's a very good idea to manipulate psychological aspects whilst keeping physical properties equal (as Steven Luck would suggest) - I'd expand upon the concept by suggesting programming aspects may well be part of the physical (by which I do not condescend to say anything about metaphysics, by the way). Apart from such considerations, the other problem is that it is very easy to make mistakes in the almost inevitable complexity resulting from using different objects and procedures in different conditions. I use, for example, the same procedure, and *all* objects whether I have GO, NO-GO, GO-STOP and even NO-GO-STOP (although I kicked that possibility out since it makes very little sense). That is, if you two of the same slides after one another: Slide1 (primary task), duration of which is stop-signal delay, time limit, something like 1000) Slide2 (stop-signal, if any), shows the same arrow as Slide1 (it refers to same attribute), and has whatever duration Then, the 'clever' bit is that the responses are *always* recorded in Slide1 (which makes it easier in E-DataAid), and, if there's no stop signal, slide2 just refers to same attribute, and the subject will never notice there are actually two arrows, rather than one. Other than that, if you must, I'd suggest just a little bit of inline. Basically, you check for conditions, and calculate the mean accuracy. For example, if you made a global variable (alt+5, user script, dim LeftArrowNumberAccurate), just add an inline at the end of the trial (if c.GetAttrib("ArrowDirection") = "Left" and Slide1.ACC = 1 then LeftArrowNumberAccurate = LeftArrowNumberAccurate + 1). Then, at the end of a block, you show a text display with the accurate number (or percentage). I think all that is explained at length at the end of the infamous E-Primer: http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/about_me.htm (under books). As for your other question: "My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries)." What's wrong with using procedure(trial, subtrial, block, depending on the structure of your experiment) in column? Remember to filter out NULLS, they are annoying. As for two separate images, and actually, in general, I always store dependent variables in one and the same column, Y_RT (and Y_ACC, etc), just for clarity. To do this, just do the following inline at the end of your trial(s): c.SetAttrib "Y_RT", Slide1.RT so, if you have two images for two procedures, just store it in the same attribute and the result will be much more readable. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sent: 28 July 2010 21:02 To: E-Prime Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy Hey, I have programmed a stop-signal paradigm and the only way I could figure out how to have a left red arrow (STOP) appear after a left green arrow and a right red arrow appear after a right green arrow was to have two difference procedures. Total I have 3 procedures. One presents a green arrow and the person responds to the direction of the arrow. The second procedure a green left arrow appears and after a designated period of time this arrow turns red, if the arrow turns red the person must withhold a response. This is the same for the right green/red arrow, which is the third procedure. Of course they are all randomized so there is a 70% chance a green arrow will appear and stay green, 15% chance for a left green to appear and turn red, 15% chance for a right green to appear and turn red. I would like to have feedback displays after every block, that only reports the specific data for that block, and I know how to set this up. My question itself regards collapsing across right and left stop accuracies. I would like to combine procedure 2 and 3 to report their combined accuracy. My other question pertains to the E-dataid file. I am curious if there is a way to combine all three procedures to report their reaction times for each trial under one column. Instead of a separate column for each (and a lot of NULL entries). Note: I have to have seperate names for the images the record the responses since two of them have specific images that must be presented. I know I can do this when I create a syntax file to strip them down and recombine them in to spss. But, it would be easier to have it already done for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 11:47:56 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:47:56 +0100 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, To my knowledge, duration is a property of a slide and its sub-objects (slide states being sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have independent duration, like all other properties shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would be incredibly useful, if this were possible! Apart from that, what you are asking can easily be implemented by using a copy of the same slide right after the other one, which is almost exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. So, you have Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). Would that work? Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 To: E-Prime Subject: Changing sub-object duration property Hi, I'm not sure if I'm missing something... I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to register the response and using HitTest to record and score the location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the screen until a response is recorded. I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. participants need to respond twice). Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a single slide? Any help would be great! Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 18:04:27 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:04:27 -0400 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03B377DC@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Fiona, Just extending what Mich proposed... - StimSlide (with stimulus plus Yes & No), Duration = 0 - HitTestCode inline to handle mouse clicks during the StimSlide, skip to HitDoneLabel upon a valid response, and to timeout at 2000 ms - YesNoSlide (with just Yes & No), Duration = 0 - HitTestCode2 (possibly the same as HitTestCode earlier) to handle mouse clicks during the YesNoSlide - HitDoneLabel Note that, if you want to handle multiple mouse clicks (e.g., subject might click on Yes, No, or a null region), then you must set Slide durations to 0 in order to get to the inline code which handles the mouse clicks, timing, & termination. (Advanced users may instead set StimSlide Duration = 2000 and PreRelase >= 2000, which offers some coding advantages.) PST might have an example program to show some of this that you may download from their web site. Note that both inline code segments may apply .HitTest to the same Slide (e.g., both use StimSlide, or both use YesNoSlide), it does not matter which Slide appears on the display at the moment. .HitTest does not care at all about what actually appears on the screen (and for that matter, does not even require an actual mouse click); it merely takes the given SlideState and x-y coordinate and finds the name of the Slide region or sub-object to be found at that location. IOW, .HitTest is little more than a slightly disguised & elaborated PointInRect(). -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/29/2010 07:47 AM Thursday, Michiel Spap? wrote: >Hi, >To my knowledge, duration is a property of a >slide and its sub-objects (slide states being >sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have >independent duration, like all other properties >shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would >be incredibly useful, if this were possible! >Apart from that, what you are asking can easily >be implemented by using a copy of the same slide >right after the other one, which is almost >exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. >So, you have >Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 >Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put >an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). > >Would that work? >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spap? >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona >Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Changing sub-object duration property > >Hi, > >I'm not sure if I'm missing something... > >I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes >Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to >register the response and using HitTest to record and score the >location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". > >I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any >mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response >is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the >screen until a response is recorded. > >I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but >each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have >also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when >I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. >participants need to respond twice). > >Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a >single slide? > >Any help would be great! > >Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 18:25:10 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:25:10 -0400 Subject: No parallel port for upgrade In-Reply-To: <4C4A2567.1070709@uoregon.edu> Message-ID: You need to contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . Or, since PST should have taken care of this before they sold you the product, you might prevail upon them by phone, just get the number from their web site. Good luck, and please write back with the result. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/23/2010 07:27 PM Friday, you wrote: > We are attempting to install an upgrade version 2 of e-prime on a > newer laptop that has NO parallel port. During the upgrade > validation process, the installer wants the old v. 1 key to be > attached, but there is no parallel port to connect it. Is there a > workaround for this issue? > >Someone know what to do? > >Thanks. > >Ray > >-- >Ray Vukcevich >University of Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 19:41:23 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:41:23 -0400 Subject: Near infrared Spec/Exp/Harmony In-Reply-To: <8a906c54-e4c6-437e-8274-125c5cb6f228@v6g2000prd.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... I do not think that inline code will help you here, unless you want to write an entire Bluetooth driver in E-Basic, which I highly advise against, because if you knew enough to be able to write a Bluetooth driver then you would already know why you would not want to write it in E-Basic. I am afraid that you will have to wait until PST adds Bluetooth support to E-Prime, and really I do not yet see any reason that they would want to do such a thing, although I would like to hear others weigh in on that. Your best bet other than that is to find a DLL that will add the needed Bluetooth support, and then figure out how to add the relevant Decalare statements to use those DLL functions in E-Basic (see the Declare topic in the online E-Basic Help). Good luck with that! -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/17/2010 01:01 AM Saturday, KiwiPG wrote: >G'day, > >Situation: I have a near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) machine that I >would like to run in conjunction with an Eprime experiment. The NIRS >machine is able to connect to the computer via Bluetooth connection. >Unfortunately there is no hardwiring connection. I was able to see >that the computer is receiving a signal through the com 5 port. I >would like to get a NIRS measurement during target exposure. I am not >exactly sure how to treat the Bluetooth connection in Eprime. Seems >like most of the lit deals with serial& // port connections. I thought >I could add 'Port' device to 'Input Masks' in my experiment but that >does not seem to work. > >Questions: Do I need to write inline script for this to work? I have >scoured the forums/web and could not find an example that deals with >Bluetooth device connection. If anyone has an example script or even >knows where I can look that would be wicked sweet. > >Future thanks, >Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From schizophrenicdan at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 19:51:47 2010 From: schizophrenicdan at gmail.com (Daniel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:51:47 -0700 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03B377B9@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey, Thanks for the information Michiel. I am in the middle of implementing your suggestions. "Other than that, if you must, I'd suggest just a little bit of inline. Basically, you check for conditions, and calculate the mean accuracy. For example, if you made a global variable (alt+5, user script, dim LeftArrowNumberAccurate), just add an inline at the end of the trial (if c.GetAttrib("ArrowDirection") = "Left" and Slide1.ACC = 1 then LeftArrowNumberAccurate = LeftArrowNumberAccurate + 1)." I will try this out later. But, I am guessing if I do that or something similar and then combine Left and Right in to another variable I can easily report the collapsed across left/right accuracies? Also, if you do not mind, I have another question. Do you know if there is an issue with having InLines and duration/onset errors appearing, due to the processing of InLine objects? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:03:15 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:03:15 -0400 Subject: Combining two input recording images together to form mean accuracy In-Reply-To: <0e968a01-f1e4-4515-885d-137ee60dcca8@j9g2000yqn.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: PMJI... >Also, if you do not mind, I have another question. Do you know if >there is an issue with having InLines and duration/onset errors >appearing, due to the processing of InLine objects? Not unless you are fairly sloppy, or need to run a *lot* of inline code in between objects. As I have said before, you would be surprised at how much code a modern machine can run in less than 1 ms. Even then, if you know how to use PreRelease to run code during a stimulus object then you can, say, run 5 s worth of code during a 5 s stimulus with absolutely no impact on the onset delay of the following object. Study Chapter 3, "Critical Timing", of the User's Guide that came with E-Prime. But as always, do not take my word for this. You should write some code and make some timing tests for yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder "You got to test that piece of software, You got to test it for yourself, No one else can test it for you, You got to test it for yourself." (Apologies to the Fairfield Four) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:12:31 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: Send a Signal from E-Prime to COBI In-Reply-To: <6cc706c1-0fac-4506-994e-560a88a71ce3@i28g2000yqa.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: [I have been off on vacations, so still working on some lingering older posts.] I have never used the SerialDevice object myself, and I don't know if anyone else here can help. But here are a few other thoughts: - See if PST has any example programs to download from their web site. - Search the PST Knowledge Base for any articles on the SerialDevice. - Look at the "SerialDevice" topic in the online E-Basic Help built into E-Prime. - Contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . They strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/16/2010 12:31 PM Friday, Atieh wrote: >I want to send a signal through serial port from e-prime to an >external device (fNIR COBI system) but I don't know what I have to >include in my "inline" object . Also, which stage of my e-prime >program I should insert the serial port object. >I really appriciate if somebody help me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:24:17 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:24:17 -0400 Subject: Trouble with randomisaton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laura, I am stumped on this one. First thing I would do is to set this back to Sequential order and run a bunch of tests that way. For these tests I would also use names like 01.jpg, etc., just to make it easier to read. Finally, don't neglect PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp . they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. And please do write back when/if you get this sorted out. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 6/22/2010 07:42 PM Tuesday, Little Moo wrote: >I'm hoping someone can help. > >Has anyone else had a problem with randomisation, or am I doing >something wrong. > >In the final phase of an experiment, I have a list of 27 target >images, and 3 lists of distractor images. > >The list is set as:- > >27 Samples (1 cycle x 27 samples/cycle) > >1 Cycle equals 27 samples > >Random Selection > >In a small, but significant, number of experimental runs, one level is >omitted and one level is repeated e.g. > >red_squr_straight.jpg >blck_tri_squig.jpg <------------First Show >blue_tri_round.jpg >blue_tri_straight.jpg >red_circ_straight.jpg >red_squr_squig.jpg >blue_squr_squig.jpg >red_tri_round.jpg >blue_circ_squig.jpg >blue_circ_straight.jpg >blck_squr_round.jpg >blue_tri_squig.jpg >red_squr_squig.jpg >blck_circ_round.jpg >blck_tri_squig.jpg <------------Repeated >blck_circ_straight.jpg >blue_squr_straight.jpg >red_tri_squig.jpg >red_tri_straight.jpg >red_squr_round.jpg >blue_tri_squig.jpg >blue_squr_round.jpg >blck_tri_straight.jpg >blue_circ_round.jpg >blue_tri_straight.jpg >blck_squr_straight.jpg >red_tri_squig.jpg > >and in this case blck_circ_squig.jpg was omitted - that is for this >case only, the level omitted/repeated is random. > >Has any else noticed this, or have I made a mistake with my selection >criteria? Reset is set to All samples (27), and the list object does >have 27 unique filenames. > >This is central to my experiment but nothing I have tried works. > >Laura -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:40:38 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: Alternating procedures of experiment by subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Around here we just take the simple-minded way out and make two program files with the two different orders, then make ourselves responsible for keeping track of which program to use with which subject. But if you want to automate this, look into the Counterbalance order option of E-Studio -- run a search on this Group to see where I have already discussed this, look through the manuals that came with E-Prime, or contact PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder On 1 jul, 18:04, cogneuroisfun wrote: > I know I'm bombarding this group with questions but I'm becoming much > more comfortable with this program so hopefully this is my last > question for awhile :) > > I've searched other posts and I seem to find this exact problem. I'm > trying to alternate the procedures of my experiment by subject number. > So I have my trial list which works great finally but participants > will see my list of pictures twice. So I want the first time to be in > one order and then the second time in another order. (I'm using two > different neuroimaging techniques during the experiment) > > I'm hoping to have something like this: > > odd number subjects: > order 1- while in fMRI > order 2 - different imaging technique > > even number subjects: > order 2- while in fMRI > order 1-while in different imaging technique > > I'm adding a "group" in the startup info so I can differentiate > between whether the subject is in the fmri or other imaging > technique. > > I just don't know how to have to different orders of my experiment in > one program that changes based off subject number and group number! > > Thank you in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:49:24 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: Clearing half a screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the record, with judicious use of properties on the Frame tab (Width, Height, X, Y, XAlign, YAlign), you can superimpose TextDisplays or Slides on an existing display to create your desired effect and many other effects besides. But Mich is right that it is more the "E-Prime way" to just compose a complete Slide for each display. And in either case you still do not need any code. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/1/2010 11:51 AM Thursday, cogneuroisfun wrote: >Yes, I know other programming languages at decent proficiency (C++, >Java) but unfortunately I don't know visual basic that well. > >Thank you for your helpful reply, it seems as though I was other >thinking this way too much :) > >On Jul 1, 9:37 am, Michiel Spape >wrote: > > Hi, > > I imagine you have had more experience with > programming than with E-Prime, am I correct? In > E-Prime, it is usually much easier just to have > three screens popping up than repeating the > same one, for instance, your questions seems to mean > > Start: > > -Show picture1 with question1 > > -Clear question1 and insert question2 > > Goto Start > > > > Which makes sense in normal programming, but > not a lot in E-Prime. Instead, you will find this is very easily implemented as > > -Slide1 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question1] > > -Slide2 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question2] > > -Slide3 has picture [CurrentPicture] and [Question3] > > Since each one is after the other and refer > to the same picture, the Question looks as if > 'erased' from the screen, even though it's a > totally new slide; i.e. the picture remains > intact, as you ask. Questions here can be used > in a nested list type of way, so as to properly randomised. > > > > In the end, I see absolutely no reason why > you need ANY script in order to do what you seem to be wanting. > > Best, > > Michiel > > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cogneuroisfun > > Sent: 30 June 2010 19:38 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Clearing half a screen > > > > Hi all, > > > > Another noobie question here. > > > > I have a picture up while I have my participants answer questions > > about the picture. I want this picture to stay up as they answer 3 > > questions (the questions are on a grid survey so the questions cant > > all fit on one screen) My question is how do I clear the previous > > question with keeping the picture in tact? The call clearscreen > > command clears everything and if I just keep everything from clearing > > the previous question overlaps the next question. The picture is at > > the top of the screen and the survey takes up the bottom of the screen > > so is there anyway to clear just the bottom of the screen? > > > > Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 20:55:52 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:55:52 -0400 Subject: Data extraction from edat file In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF038C2D22@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Again for the record, I just want to add a plug for using the Analyze facility built into E-DataAid. This does a nice job of handling a variety of basic descriptive statistics for initial looks at the data, and with proper use does a marvelous job of organizing data for export to other analysis programs. Please study the E-DataAid sections of the Getting Started Guide, User's Guide, and Reference Guide that come with E-Prime. As I have said before, it is almost worth getting E-Prime just for for its data handling capabilities, which are sadly much overlooked. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder At 7/6/2010 10:36 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >To add to this, and also not able to provide >many tips, I'd suggest merging the files first, >THEN exporting. But I suppose that might be too obvious. > >Anyway, in Matlab, it's pretty easy to just >import the whole lot as text format. I think I >still have some matlab code, if you need it: > >names=0; >Filenames{1}='Collision 1i-201-1.gazedata'; > >nSubjects = size(Filenames,2); > >for cSubject = 1: nSubjects > > disp(['Subject ' num2str(cSubject) ' of ' > num2str(nSubjects) ' reading data']); > [EyeData.Subject,EyeData.Session, > EyeData.ID, EyeData.TETTime, EyeData.RTTime, > EyeData.CursorX, EyeData.CursorY, > EyeData.TimestampSec, > EyeData.TimestampMicrosec, > EyeData.XGazePosLeftEye, > EyeData.YGazePosLeftEye, > EyeData.XCameraPosLeftEye, > EyeData.YCameraPosLeftEye, > EyeData.DiameterPupilLeftEye, > EyeData.DistanceLeftEye, > EyeData.ValidityLeftEye, > EyeData.XGazePosRightEye, > EyeData.YGazePosRightEye, > EyeData.XCameraPosRightEye, > EyeData.YCameraPosRightEye, > EyeData.DiameterPupilRightEye, > EyeData.DistanceRightEye, > EyeData.ValidityRightEye, EyeData.Subject, > EyeData.TrialNum, EyeData.WhichTask, > EyeData.Proc, EyeData.StartPosModCue, > EyeData.StartPosModTarget, > EyeData.DistractorHidden, > EyeData.TargetHitsCue, > EyeData.DistractorHitsCue, EyeData.Phase, > EyeData.TaskTime, EyeData.ACC, EyeData.RT, > EyeData.TargetX, EyeData.TargetY, EyeData.CueX, > EyeData.CueY, EyeData.DistractorX, > EyeData.DistractorY]=textread(Filenames{cSubject}, > '%f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f > %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %s %s %f %f %f %f > %f %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f', 'delimiter', '\t','headerlines',1); >End > > >%Notice that Filenames here only contains one. >Furthermore, these gazedata files are Tobii text >files, pretty much the same as exported .edat >files. \t is tab-based delimiter, and the whole >lot is imported in various variable names in MatLab. > >Hope that helps, sorry for the difficult-to-read >code (matlab does that, I find). >Cheers, >Mich > >Michiel Spap? >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of liwenna >Sent: 06 July 2010 13:00 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: Data extraction from edat file > > From or to matlab? > >I always export my data to a .txt file (file > export > export to >statview and spss > untick the unicode option) in edat and the >resulting .txt file I then import in SPSS. > >Tried anything like that? > >Best, > >AW > >On Jul 5, 9:57 pm, ulli wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > is there an easier way than copy paste to extract your data from an > > edat file? has anyone of you achieved to make this process automatic, > > e.g. have the data read in automatically from Matlab? > > > > any help would be appreciated! > > > > thanks a lot! > > Ulrike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Jul 29 21:07:12 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:07:12 -0400 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF03828F50@VUIEXCHC.ad.notti ngham.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 6/29/2010 06:28 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >Hi Candy & OP, >This is not exactly the case; files should be >accessible anywhere on the system, the only >problem is that it is A) difficult to move >experiments around like that (since the >structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) I beg to differ here. As long as you use relative paths instead of absolute paths, you should be able to copy & move experiments with no trouble. We do that regularly. > and B) for some people difficult in terms of > syntax. The second one seems to be the problem > here, with several basic things going wrong: >- Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for >files that are on the current PC i.e. >C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. >- \ is also an escape character and writing >addresses very often goes wrong because of it. >In inline, for example, you'd have to use >c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 Please see http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic2336-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1689-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1718-5-1.aspx and http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/d2760287fabeb88a , where this has been discussed at more length. In short, in E-Prime it is best to simply use single *forward* slashes ("/") for all path separators, e.g., c:/windows/system32. Yes, E-Prime defaults to inserting backslashes for you, which confuses things, you just have to ignore that and use forward slashes yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >... >Because of all this often goes wrong, it's >usually better to do it like Candy suggested: >just dump everything in the same folder as the >experiment and never mind about writing down >paths. The only good reason for doing it >otherwise is that one might want to have some >organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder >'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. >Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the >place where your experiment is located and use >relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, >happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you >then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and >FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as >CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") >& "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") >Or something like that. > >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spap? >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson >Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > >I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but >hopefully will make some sense: > >My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as >the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object >display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as >found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need >to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > >Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute >[filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay >should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > >Hope this helps > >Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 02:11:42 2010 From: fiona_kumfor at hotmail.com (Fiona) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:11:42 -0700 Subject: Changing sub-object duration property In-Reply-To: <4c51c301.8b19e70a.74e5.7bdcSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: What a shame that it can't just be easily changed through properties. But thanks for the suggestions on how to get around it. Will give it a go. Cheers, Fiona On Jul 30, 4:04?am, David McFarlane wrote: > Fiona, > > Just extending what Mich proposed... > > - StimSlide (with stimulus plus Yes & No), Duration = 0 > - HitTestCode inline to handle mouse clicks > during the StimSlide, skip to HitDoneLabel upon a > valid response, and to timeout at 2000 ms > - YesNoSlide (with just Yes & No), Duration = 0 > - HitTestCode2 (possibly the same as HitTestCode > earlier) to handle mouse clicks during the YesNoSlide > - HitDoneLabel > > Note that, if you want to handle multiple mouse > clicks (e.g., subject might click on Yes, No, or > a null region), then you must set Slide durations > to 0 in order to get to the inline code which > handles the mouse clicks, timing, & > termination. ?(Advanced users may instead set > StimSlide Duration = 2000 and PreRelase >= 2000, > which offers some coding advantages.) ?PST might > have an example program to show some of this that > you may download from their web site. > > Note that both inline code segments may apply > .HitTest to the same Slide (e.g., both use > StimSlide, ?or both use YesNoSlide), it does not > matter which Slide appears on the display at the > moment. ?.HitTest does not care at all about what > actually appears on the screen (and for that > matter, does not even require an actual mouse > click); it merely takes the given SlideState and > x-y coordinate and finds the name of the Slide > region or sub-object to be found at that > location. ?IOW, .HitTest is little more than a > slightly disguised & elaborated PointInRect(). > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > At 7/29/2010 07:47 AM Thursday, Michiel Spap? wrote: > > >Hi, > >To my knowledge, duration is a property of a > >slide and its sub-objects (slide states being > >sub-objects themselves, in a way) cannot have > >independent duration, like all other properties > >shown on the duration tab. I grant you, it would > >be incredibly useful, if this were possible! > >Apart from that, what you are asking can easily > >be implemented by using a copy of the same slide > >right after the other one, which is almost > >exactly the same thing I suggested in my previous post here. > >So, you have > >Slide1, duration until mouse, yes and no images, maxcount = 1 > >Slide2, duration of 2000 - Slide1.Duration (put > >an inline in between the slides), no images, maxcount = 100 (or something). > > >Would that work? > >Best, > >Mich > > >Michiel Spap? > >Research Fellow > >Perception & Action group > >University of Nottingham > >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fiona > >Sent: 29 July 2010 05:43 > >To: E-Prime > >Subject: Changing sub-object duration property > > >Hi, > > >I'm not sure if I'm missing something... > > >I've created a slide object which contains a "Stimulus" image, a "Yes > >Response" image and a "No Response" image. I'm using mouse input to > >register the response and using HitTest to record and score the > >location of the mouse response as either "Yes" or "No". > > >I would like to set the Stimulus image duration to 2000msec, allow any > >mouse clicks to be recorded during that duration, and if no response > >is recorded, leave the "Yes Response" and "No Response" images on the > >screen until a response is recorded. > > >I have tried to change the duration of each sub-object separately, but > >each time I change the duration it applies to the entire slide. I have > >also tried using different slide states and multiple slides, but when > >I do this the HitTest no longer records a single response (i.e. > >participants need to respond twice). > > >Is it possible to change the individual properties of sub-objects on a > >single slide? > > >Any help would be great! > > >Cheers > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:07:52 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:52 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. Message-ID: Hi again, I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. The basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a choice of which balloon they want to burst. However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some way of showing the cursor? Any tips? Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 14:53:58 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:53:58 +0100 Subject: help a beginner :) In-Reply-To: <4c51edbe.ccbce70a.0585.ffff9077SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David & al., Concerning forward slashes: wow, you learn something new every day :) Relative paths: of course, especially if you use many sounds/images/videos for different conditions and so on, it is very convenient to access files in a [condition]/[filename] sort of way. The warning against absolute paths remains! Cheers, Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane Sent: 29 July 2010 22:07 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com; e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: help a beginner :) At 6/29/2010 06:28 AM Tuesday, Michiel Spape wrote: >Hi Candy & OP, >This is not exactly the case; files should be >accessible anywhere on the system, the only >problem is that it is A) difficult to move >experiments around like that (since the >structure on the other computer would need to be exactly the same) I beg to differ here. As long as you use relative paths instead of absolute paths, you should be able to copy & move experiments with no trouble. We do that regularly. > and B) for some people difficult in terms of > syntax. The second one seems to be the problem > here, with several basic things going wrong: >- Windows tends to use back-slash syntax for >files that are on the current PC i.e. >C:\windows\system32, rather than c:/windows/system32. >- \ is also an escape character and writing >addresses very often goes wrong because of it. >In inline, for example, you'd have to use >c:\\windows\\system32 to produce c:\windows\system32 Please see http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic2336-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1689-12-1.aspx , http://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic1718-5-1.aspx and http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/d2760287fabeb88a , where this has been discussed at more length. In short, in E-Prime it is best to simply use single *forward* slashes ("/") for all path separators, e.g., c:/windows/system32. Yes, E-Prime defaults to inserting backslashes for you, which confuses things, you just have to ignore that and use forward slashes yourself. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >... >Because of all this often goes wrong, it's >usually better to do it like Candy suggested: >just dump everything in the same folder as the >experiment and never mind about writing down >paths. The only good reason for doing it >otherwise is that one might want to have some >organisation: sad faces 1-100 go in folder >'sad', happy faces 1-100 go in folder happy. >Have these folders, then, as subfolders of the >place where your experiment is located and use >relative paths: sad\\face1.bmp, >happy\\face8.bmp. This is also convenient if you >then have two attributes, say: TypeOfFace and >FaceNumber, because then you can just assign the current face as >CurrentFace.filename = c.GetAttrib("TypeOfFace") >& "\\" & c.GetAttrib("FaceNumber") >Or something like that. > >Best, >Mich > >Michiel Spap? >Research Fellow >Perception & Action group >University of Nottingham >School of Psychology > > >-----Original Message----- >From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >[mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candy Patterson >Sent: 28 June 2010 12:56 >To: E-Prime >Subject: Re: help a beginner :) > >I'm also a new user so not sure if this answer is correct but >hopefully will make some sense: > >My understanding is all the images need to be in the same folder as >the E-Prime script and cannot be in any sub-folders. For the Object >display in a trial (filename1) you just need to list the file name as >found in the folder (e.g. object1.bmp) and therefore there is no need >to have a second attribute with the file path (filename2). > >Also, need to ensure in the 'Procedure' line-up that the attribute >[filename1] is associated to an "ImageDisplay". The ImageDisplay >should display the words: Your image '[filename1]' will appear here. > >Hope this helps > >Candy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 15:26:20 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:26:20 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <779e0162-1883-4cfc-90d1-636dc0d59739@i31g2000yqm.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. The >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a >choice of which balloon they want to burst. IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland. I programmed one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism for releasing our task software). >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some >way of showing the cursor? > >Any tips? 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help). This is what most of us would do. or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:32:50 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:32:50 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <4c52ef4e.194de70a.65cf.0521SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks a million David, I was just on my way back here to post this link http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/75838ffbbf64a05b/2a6dcbd0107f98f6?pli=1 to my question being answered in a different thread. I wonder is there a way that we could enable the search here in the group to allow for tags. I often find that because I don't phrase things the same as another person might, I get the wrong responses to searches, which means I can end up wasting a lot of time searching, and then waste other people's time by asking a question that has indeed been answered before. This however is an issue for the google groups google search group! Haha :) Thanks again On Jul 30, 4:26?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Stock reminder: ?1) I do not work for PST. ?2) PST's trained staff > takes any and all questions athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, and they > strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current > estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their > substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. ?3) If > you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy > of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. > > That said, here is my take... > > >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. ?The > >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the > >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and > >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will > >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each > >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a > >choice of which balloon they want to burst. > > IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by > Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland. ?I programmed > one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask > me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism > for releasing our task software). > > >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on > >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to > >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some > >way of showing the cursor? > > >Any tips? > > 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True > Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the > MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help). ?This is what most of > us would do. > > or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes > will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. > > David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 15:42:25 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:42:25 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <95a7b502-a24a-45ea-9099-646434304237@j8g2000yqd.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: At 7/30/2010 11:32 AM Friday, aoifemcloughlin wrote: >I was just on my way back here to post this >link >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/75838ffbbf64a05b/2a6dcbd0107f98f6?pli=1 >to my question being answered in a different thread. > >I wonder is there a way that we could enable the search here in the >group to allow for tags. I often find that because I don't phrase >things the same as another person might, I get the wrong responses to >searches, which means I can end up wasting a lot of time searching, >and then waste other people's time by asking a question that has >indeed been answered before. This however is an issue for the google >groups google search group! Haha :) Even better would be a Wiki where over time we could generate some properly organized documentation. I would gladly supply all sorts of content, but network stuff lies way beyond my talents, we need somebody else who can do that sort of thing. Anybody up to the job? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:51:54 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:51:54 -0700 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <4c52ef4e.194de70a.65cf.0521SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: David, I just spotted what you said about BART. I had not heard of this research, and a quick google search has whet my appetite (everyone elses research always seems infinitely more interesting than your own when you're stuck on something!). It is very different to what I am looking at, and I will not ask you for your programme, however I do have one question. This is one which I have already asked the PST web support but have yet to get a response. In BART participants are able to finish at any point, and bank their money (if what I just read was correct). When you did this using e- prime how did you give the participants the ability to end the experiment without aborting it? Is it a case of a jump label? I also would like to be able to time how long they continued the trials for, from the beginning of the first trial, to when they decided to end the experiment. My dependant variable is the length of time that they continue to burst balloons for. My ability at reading and writing in E-Basic is atrocious. This is why I like e-prime (most of the time) as it allows us less tech savvy researchers actually create our experiments. Unluckily for me I am the only one in my institution using e-prime, however for these kind of little niggly problems this group has been a constant source of information for me. Yours, Aoife On Jul 30, 4:26?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Stock reminder: ?1) I do not work for PST. ?2) PST's trained staff > takes any and all questions athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, and they > strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current > estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their > substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. ?3) If > you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy > of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. > > That said, here is my take... > > >I've managed to get my experiment to run using a slide display. ?The > >basic premise of the experiment is that a balloon will appear on the > >screen and the participant clicks on the balloon to "burst" it and > >continue to the next trial, which is just another balloon. There will > >be 3 conditions in the experiment, and the number of balloons in each > >trial will increase across the conditions, giving participants a > >choice of which balloon they want to burst. > > IOW, a Balloon Analog Risk Task (aka BART), pioneered I believe by > Carl Lejuez and others at the University of Maryland. ?I programmed > one myself in E-Prime based on their materials (but please do not ask > me for my program, we have not yet figured out a policy or mechanism > for releasing our task software). > > >However, I can't seem to get e-prime to display the mouse's cursor on > >the screen, which will mean that participants will not be able to > >actually click on the balloon they want to burst. Surely there is some > >way of showing the cursor? > > >Any tips? > > 1) Mouse.ShowCursor True > Put this in an inline whenever you what to show the cursor (see the > MouseDevice topic in the online E-Basic Help). ?This is what most of > us would do. > > or, 2) Edit > Experiment... > Devices > Mouse > Edit... > Show Cursor = Yes > will show the cursor from the start of the experiment. > > David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Jul 30 21:15:36 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:15:36 -0400 Subject: Another question on using the mouse as the input device. In-Reply-To: <7e1e6289-81ee-4938-a721-46dde6be4acd@k19g2000yqc.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Aoife, At 7/30/2010 11:51 AM Friday, you wrote: >I just spotted what you said about BART. I had not heard of this >research, and a quick google search has whet my appetite (everyone >elses research always seems infinitely more interesting than your own >when you're stuck on something!). It is very different to what I am >looking at Ah, once again I read a post too hastily and filled in details from my imagination. Looks like in your trials subjects merely click once on a balloon to pop it and then move on, but because I was so familiar with BART I simply assumed that they instead repeatedly clicked on a balloon to inflate it until it popped. My error. >I do have one question. This is one which I have already asked the PST web >support but have yet to get a response. > >In BART participants are able to finish at any point, and bank their >money (if what I just read was correct). When you did this using e- >prime how did you give the participants the ability to end the >experiment without aborting it? Is it a case of a jump label? I also >would like to be able to time how long they continued the trials for, >from the beginning of the first trial, to when they decided to end the >experiment. My dependant variable is the length of time that they >continue to burst balloons for. Ending a List or Prrocedure at some indefinite limit (e.g., early) does require a bit of code. In this case the user pressed a specific button (instead of clicking a mouse) to stop pumping the balloon before it popped, and I set "Correct" to that response value. I used a List to run each inflation step of the trial, with Termination set to the number of pumps until the balloon would pop, and then I just used an If-Then with a List.Terminate to exit the List early, e.g. If (BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState()) Then StepList.Terminate You can look up things like If...Then and the List Terminate method in the online E-Basic Help. Of course I then needed further code to control what happened next, depending on whether the trial ended with the subject stopping, the balloon bursting, or the experimenter/tester requesting an early exit (that's the GetUserBreakState()). That was back when I was in a phase using Lists in place of coded loops wherever possible. Any ordinary EP user would have written this as an ordinary For...Next, Do...Loop, or If...Then...Goto loop in inline code (do NOT use While/Wend, this construct has long been deprecated!!), and if I rewrote this today I might well do the same. In that case I might use a loop like Do ' code to run each step of trial here Loop Until ( BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState() or _ (pumpCount >= nPumpsToPop) ) or rather, I would use a Label and inline Goto wrapped around my stimulus objects in the trial Procedure, something like - StepLoopLabel - StepInitCode - BARTSlide - StepFinishCode and my StepFinishCode would contain a line like If Not( BARTSlide.ACC or GetUserBreakState() or _ (pumpCount >= nPumpsToPop) ) Then Goto StepLoopLabel (note the "Not" at the start of that conditional expression!). To record elapsed times beyond a single stimulus-response, you will again need code, and most likely need to store some values in global variables. Please see Chapter 4, "Using E-Basic", of the User's Guide that comes with EP. You can always get the current time using Clock.Read, although if you are clever you can get a strictly more accurate starting time by referring to the .OnsetTime of the relevant stimulus object. >My ability at reading and writing in E-Basic is atrocious. This is why >I like e-prime (most of the time) as it allows us less tech savvy >researchers actually create our experiments. Unluckily for me I am the >only one in my institution using e-prime, however for these kind of >little niggly problems this group has been a constant source of >information for me. It is nice that we can do so much in EP without code (and I dismay that some users revert to code long before they need to), but if you do not learn to use code then you will severely limit the tasks that you can program (e.g., in my BART, not only do I need code for the early exits, I also use extensive code to generate random but balanced numbers of pumps before a pop). Similarly, any task programming system that does not include a provision to use code will severely limit what you can do. That is why I continue to endorse E-Prime, despite my lingering and public disagreements with the company that sells it. My instutiion (the Dept. of Psychology at Michigan State University, USA) has taken the trouble to hire someone like me solely to tend to these sorts of technical matters for research labs here. Every research institution should do the same, anything less compromises their research. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en.