From verahau at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 06:56:38 2010 From: verahau at gmail.com (Vera) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:56:38 -0700 Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? Message-ID: Hello, I am using inLine script to write my program as it involves a large amount of drawing. However, when we tested the program, there was around an extra 1s added to the whole block (with 16 trials per block). Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem? If so, how can I write an inLine script with the following requirements: (1) use a cumulative event mode, (2) use a pre-release of 100ms, (3) data logging, (4) have a response time window, and (5) restrict the acceptable answer key. Currently, I have to do data logging by using an object (as suggested by the PST technician). This object breaks my inLine script. Thus, the screen is being refreshed and flashing is resulted. Therefore, I would like to find ways of writing a script to log the data. Thanks, Vera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 09:50:11 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:50:11 +0100 Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, "Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem?" Generally, yes. See the appropriate chapter from the manual on that. However, since your timing problem concerns whole blocks, rather than trials, you might have some difficulty (i.e., you can shift some timing problems to the end of your trial, but that won't immediately help you). I was wondering, though, what do you mean 'a large amount of drawing'? Do you have a drawing experiment (say, with a digital pen and tablet) or do you use tons of canvas scripts to "draw" on a screen? I expect the latter. In this case, you should really consider using a "buffered screen" (rather than pre-release) where you first draw at whatever time you see fit, then, when finished drawing, replace the 'active' screen display for the buffered screen. I can send you examples, if you like. "Currently, I have to do data logging by using an object (as suggested by the PST technician). This object breaks my inLine script. Thus, the screen is being refreshed and flashing is resulted." "Thus" is not correct. The screen does not need to flash due to you 'using an object', for three reasons: 1. If screen A), say, your drawing screen, has a black background and interrupted by a black screen, it should not be visible. You can also consider using 0 pixels width and 0 pixels height text displays, drawn in the lower right corner, use no clear after, and voila, no problem. 2. If you do not set vertical onset sync to on, it will not refresh. Offset sync is off by default, but you might check that too. 3. You could (and should) consider placing the logging screen BEFORE the drawing. Let it have a max count responses (see advanced properties in duration/input) of 100, a duration of 0 and a time-limit of 10000 (or whatever) and check responses afterwards (or whenever you feel like it). The running of this object should not interfere visually with the drawing. Go to Ebasic help and find: InputMask.Responses (property) Hope that helps, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vera Sent: 05 October 2010 07:57 To: E-Prime Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? Hello, I am using inLine script to write my program as it involves a large amount of drawing. However, when we tested the program, there was around an extra 1s added to the whole block (with 16 trials per block). Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem? If so, how can I write an inLine script with the following requirements: (1) use a cumulative event mode, (2) use a pre-release of 100ms, (3) data logging, (4) have a response time window, and (5) restrict the acceptable answer key. 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From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:51:22 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:51:22 -0700 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: <17954772-40f2-43e6-8e9f-c00e2fa7c977@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Dana, Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is going back 2 years as far as I can tell. Yours, Aoife On Aug 16, 12:43 pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > Still no reply from PST, Lidia.  yes, I will certainly let you know! > > Best, > Dana > > On Aug 6, 6:23 am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions.  The > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > my new laptop. > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion?  And if so, was it > > successful? > > > Thanks! > > Dana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:58:31 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:58:31 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been running an experiment which has sound files included on a machine using XP and it has been running fine. My university has now updated all machines to Windows 7 (and my own personal laptop is on windows 7) and now my experiment is crashing and the sound files won't play or at best will play but delayed. A quick search of this oh so useful forum informs me that this is a common problem. Has anyone found a way around it that works? I find it hard to believe that PST have not done anything to remedy this problem which has been known about since the rough days when we were confined to using Vista. Its unacceptable from them. Any one any ideas? Thanks in advance, Aoife -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 5 16:16:51 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:16:51 -0400 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <7eb2f401-3724-4e7b-8ff5-70b138380553@i13g2000yqd.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Aoife, >My university has now updated all machines to Windows 7 (and my own >personal laptop is on >windows 7) As you found out, this is a big, big mistake. Folks, take control, do NOT let your universities do this to you!! Around here we have a firm policy of ordering lab computers with XP already installed, and as a last resort we reformat and install XP ourselves. Sorry state of affairs, I agree, but it does the job. (And yes, I know researchers who wish they could still do everything in DOS.) -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From pquain at une.edu.au Tue Oct 5 17:34:59 2010 From: pquain at une.edu.au (Peter Quain) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:34:59 +1100 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh dear. Yet another Windows 7 SNAFU. After researching eprime / Windows 7 relationship described in many posts on this forum, *Why* would anyone using eprime "upgrade" from a working OS (XP) ?? That is what is ridiculous. Go back to your old hardware, and XP, and stay there. Problem solved. At 02:51 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote: >Dana, > >Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is >crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a >machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is >going back 2 years as far as I can tell. > >Yours, >Aoife > >On Aug 16, 12:43 pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > Still no reply from PST, Lidia. yes, I will certainly let you know! > > > > Best, > > Dana > > > > On Aug 6, 6:23 am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions. The > > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > > my new laptop. > > > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion? And if so, was it > > > successful? > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dana > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "E-Prime" group. >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Tue Oct 5 19:14:34 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:14:34 -0700 Subject: Missing label Message-ID: I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and advance to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a certain response to slide ? Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help not all that helpful. Thanks very much. Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From vasquezb at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 19:39:38 2010 From: vasquezb at gmail.com (Brandon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:39:38 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms Message-ID: I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 09:10:43 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:10:43 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Message-ID: Hi, I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an error. Thanks Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:08:19 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:08:19 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Nope not possible, but for a very different reason than you think (or so I guess). Any idea how insanely short 1ms is? It's too short for your display to catch up on: i.e. e-primewise it might be possible to have a 1ms slide duration but there is no display that can do 1ms refreshes (that would require a refreshrate of 1000 hz!). There is much ado regarding refresh rates on lcd screens, as far as I know the general consensus for millisecond timing in the scientific community is that you should always use CRT displays and if by any chance possible you ought to verify their refresh rate yourself, rather than just rely on, for instance, e-prime to get the timing correct by itself. So.. say you have a 90hz CRT screen, you'd have a complete screen refresh every 11.11 milliseconds and this then is the shortest presentation time possible. Therefore your 1ms slides are probably shown at 11.11 (90 hz), 11,76 (85hz), 13,33 (75 hz) etc ms. I am not sure what you'd need 1 ms slide durations for but I daresay that such a design is impossible to implement. If you decide to adjust your set-up and still need ms timing on this very low ms range: there is a number of techniques that should be used to get e-prime to actually give the timing that you think it should give. If I remember correctly the manual has a chapter dedicated to milliseconds timing. Best, AW On Oct 5, 9:39 pm, Brandon wrote: > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:10:50 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:10:50 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah.... I just see that there is another topic on ms timing issues active rigth now: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/ba1e927d0d49768b On Oct 6, 2:08 pm, liwenna wrote: > Nope not possible, but for a very different reason than you think (or > so I guess). > > Any idea how insanely short 1ms is? It's too short for your display to > catch up on: i.e. e-primewise it might be possible to have a 1ms slide > duration but there is no display that can do 1ms refreshes (that would > require a refreshrate of 1000 hz!). There is much ado regarding > refresh rates on lcd screens, as far as I know the general consensus > for millisecond timing in the scientific community is that you should > always use CRT displays and if by any chance possible you ought to > verify their refresh rate yourself, rather than just rely on, for > instance, e-prime to get the timing correct by itself. So.. say you > have a 90hz CRT screen,  you'd have a complete screen refresh every > 11.11 milliseconds and this then is the shortest presentation time > possible. Therefore your 1ms slides are probably shown at 11.11 (90 > hz), 11,76 (85hz), 13,33 (75 hz) etc ms. > > I am not sure what you'd need 1 ms slide durations for but I daresay > that such a design is impossible to implement. If you decide to adjust > your set-up and still need ms timing on this very low ms range: there > is a number of techniques that should be used to get e-prime to > actually give the timing that you think it should give. If I remember > correctly the manual has a chapter dedicated to milliseconds timing. > > Best, > > AW > > On Oct 5, 9:39 pm, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:17:00 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:17:00 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Hank, I think your question is answered in of the FAQ items on the pst webste (http://www.pstnet.com/eprimelegFAQ.cfm ): ******* Is there any way to use the Label object to jump outside of a procedure? E-Prime does not allow you to jump outside a procedure. A procedure is a timeline of events, hence when you jump to the end of the procedure you are skipping over the events that occur in one single trial. To jump outside a procedure you must terminate the List Object based on some criterion. To do this you must include an InLine Object containing a small amount of script. The InLine Object would be placed following the object that is accepting the input. The following lines of script would be implemented in order to terminate the List Object if an incorrect answer was received. The lines of script below assume that the input is collected via a TextDisplay named “Stimulus”, and the List Object that is to be terminated is named "TrialList". If Stimulus.ACC = 0 then TrialList.Terminate ************** Good luck! liw On Oct 5, 9:14 pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > advance  to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > certain response to slide ? > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > not all that helpful. > > Thanks very much. > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:20:54 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:20:54 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ow and as for your second question... not really :/ I learned most here on the google group and by myself just by doing doing doing trying trying trying. The manual is sometimes helpful for very specific problems and so is very sometimes the e-basic help function, but I agree it often seems to be 'just off' with respect to being a low level guide as to how to code. If it's any consoloditation: when I started using e-prime I was totally unexperienced with respect to any computer language and ermm yeah... I do kinda understand e-primes e-basic now ;) On Oct 5, 9:14 pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > advance  to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > certain response to slide ? > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > not all that helpful. > > Thanks very much. > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 13:56:47 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:56:47 -0400 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the participant to press a button in response. i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > but no data is being recorded. 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URL: From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 14:52:05 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:52:05 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use this set up? On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > participant to press a button in response. > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From vasquezb at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 16:30:29 2010 From: vasquezb at gmail.com (Brandon) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:30:29 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 6 16:46:54 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:46:54 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: <87c472e4-3764-4fda-aa5a-2c03ca15c7f0@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much for your reply. That did the trick. On Oct 6, 8:17 am, liwenna wrote: > Hey Hank, > > I think your question is answered in of the FAQ items on the pst > webste (http://www.pstnet.com/eprimelegFAQ.cfm): > ******* > Is there any way to use the Label object to jump outside of a > procedure? > > E-Prime does not allow you to jump outside a procedure. A procedure is > a timeline of events, hence when you jump to the end of the procedure > you are skipping over the events that occur in one single trial. To > jump outside a procedure you must terminate the List Object based on > some criterion. To do this you must include an InLine Object > containing a small amount of script. The InLine Object would be placed > following the object that is accepting the input. The following lines > of script would be implemented in order to terminate the List Object > if an incorrect answer was received. The lines of script below assume > that the input is collected via a TextDisplay named “Stimulus”, and > the List Object that is to be terminated is named "TrialList". > > If Stimulus.ACC = 0 then TrialList.Terminate > > ************** > > Good luck! > > liw > > On Oct 5, 9:14 pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > > > > > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > > advance  to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > > certain response to slide ? > > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > > not all that helpful. > > > Thanks very much. > > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 19:07:07 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:07:07 -0400 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0adb3c7c-1323-4177-b3b0-ea2e2a52e054@l6g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: > I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically > a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position > would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate > would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I > tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit > parameter as Ben suggested. > > Thank you both for the help! > :-) > > > > On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > > this set up? > > > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and > RTTime > > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so > long > > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > > participant to press a button in response. > > > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their > durations > > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is > too > > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a > solution? > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens ben robinson Verzonden: wo 6-10-2010 20:07 Aan: e-prime at googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:27:34 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:27:34 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: [Some harsh words - IF NOT(like nagging) THEN goto label1] Please read the E-Primer (www.cognitology.eu, below the rest of my publications), or the quick start guide (there's a pdf on the web as well) for necessary information... E-Prime is not like MS Word or an ipod or something - you will need to read up on it. label1: That said: do you want reaction times smaller than 1 ms? Or do you want to record RTs in response TO the 1 ms? If so, set Time Limit to 1000, and you can record responses within a limit of a 1000 ms. The slide duration is certainly not too short for logging to occur. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Sent: 05 October 2010 20:40 To: E-Prime Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:31:52 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:31:52 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0412418F@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sorry, wrote this yesterday before other replies but something stopped my post from being sent - this is not really relevant anymore. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 07 October 2010 09:28 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms [Some harsh words - IF NOT(like nagging) THEN goto label1] Please read the E-Primer (www.cognitology.eu, below the rest of my publications), or the quick start guide (there's a pdf on the web as well) for necessary information... E-Prime is not like MS Word or an ipod or something - you will need to read up on it. label1: That said: do you want reaction times smaller than 1 ms? Or do you want to record RTs in response TO the 1 ms? If so, set Time Limit to 1000, and you can record responses within a limit of a 1000 ms. The slide duration is certainly not too short for logging to occur. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Sent: 05 October 2010 20:40 To: E-Prime Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:27:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:27:57 +0100 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: <201010051735.o95HZ9o0000830@mail10.tpg.com.au> Message-ID: In all honesty, I do think PST should be a bit more progressive in these matters> Without the sort of snobbery attitude of making their software compatible to an OS roughly 7 years after its release (E-Prime was Win98SE all the way until just before Vista was released) doesn't really work in many real-life situations. These, (I understand some people might not know this) involve very powerful IT "Support" that will decide for you what OS you use, and so on. I expect, however, that Windows 7 will only be supported once E-Prime 3 arrives (which will be after the release of Windows 8, of course). E-Prime 3 will actually be called E-Prime 3D and enable you to do experiments with PST 3D glasses on your PST-HDTV, which runs Windows ME in the background. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Quain Sent: 05 October 2010 18:35 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate oh dear. Yet another Windows 7 SNAFU. After researching eprime / Windows 7 relationship described in many posts on this forum, *Why* would anyone using eprime "upgrade" from a working OS (XP) ?? That is what is ridiculous. Go back to your old hardware, and XP, and stay there. Problem solved. At 02:51 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote: >Dana, > >Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is >crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a >machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is >going back 2 years as far as I can tell. > >Yours, >Aoife > >On Aug 16, 12:43 pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > Still no reply from PST, Lidia. yes, I will certainly let you know! > > > > Best, > > Dana > > > > On Aug 6, 6:23 am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions. The > > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > > my new laptop. > > > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion? 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:38:39 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:38:39 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAFF0BC4D@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: And that should be <30 frames / second, of course. Also, for your code to work smoothly, here's a few suggestions: 1. Use buffered screen and canvas.copy right before waitforverticalblank should you be doing stuff using canvas. 2. If not, turn on Onset Sync for the object that is repeated and set its duration to something around 30 ms, but slightly less than two screen refreshes of your monitor's screen refresh rate. I.e. if your monitor is set to 70 Hz, then set the duration to something smaller than 2 x (1000 / 70) = 28.57. Say, 25 ms. Onset sync (for the looped slide or whatever) means here that each duration (if there's not too much code in between) will take 28 ms anyway. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 06 October 2010 20:56 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms Hi, The trick here is that you have an object *before* all the moving bits and bops, which logs all the responses (duration = 0, time limit different, offset sync off, onset sync off, use maxcount if necessary) afterwards. That way, timing does not suffer from in-between code. Also, trying to display something for 1 ms is rarely a logical step. Remember that tv, dvd (yes, even HD), uses 30 frames/second - 33 ms. Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens ben robinson Verzonden: wo 6-10-2010 20:07 Aan: e-prime at googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 To: E-Prime Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Hi, I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an error. Thanks Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 09:17:21 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 02:17:21 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0412420B@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, The RB-530 is a response pad supplied by Cedrus. http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/rb_series.htm. There seem to be quite a few users on this forum who use this unit with E-Prime so a full explanation was ommitted. I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst freeing up my dongle to continue developing. It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- Prime installation CD (see User Guide). The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error. Everything matches the script in the .ebs file (Comm Port 3, Baudrate 19200,n,8,1) Cheers Tony On Oct 7, 10:26 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Is the RB-530 the PST SRBox? We're not PST over here, so a few details would be welcome: > - What is the RB-530? If it is indeed the PST SRBox, I can most definitely confirm that E-Run runs everything, including Boxes, that E-Studio runs. > - How did you manage to install E-Run BUT NOT E-Prime? Try to install the whole deal, see if that works. I believe PST offers some kind of package to run E-Prime experiments without having the full E-Prime package installed, but E-Run is just the thing that comes with E-Prime. >  Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? > > Hi, > I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It > runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. > Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an > error. > Thanks > Anthony McGuffie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 10:33:41 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:33:41 +0100 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Tony, Oops, I should indeed have known - I'm even using one myself! I did find the driver installation to be a pain, however, especially if you have followed the latest (renewed, last September) one: installation requires running de-installation and 3 different pieces of software. I'm not sure about the state of dongles, but isn't your dongle only required for installation, not running? Or is that a different thing with site licenses? The version I download (1.1 is the only one I've seen on CD, but I really recommend 1.2) only requires the dongle during installation. "The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error." Erm, sorry, you lost me there. If you mean 'in E-Run with E-Studio installed but not with only E-Run installed', I understand and agree this is weird - since it acts as if it is a genuine PST SRBox, it should be as available in your set-up as the SRBox. However, if you mean 'with E-Studio installed and running (from E-Studio) but not with (running it from) E-Run', then: I'd like to confirm that the RB530 can most definitely be used in just E-Run (I do); but I'm not sure whether you can run it in E-Run without having installed E-Studio. Best, Mich PS: Yes, so I skip the 'how to install' bits from this and most manuals (apart from the Cedrus , quite bad I admit, and also don't read the license agreement. Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 08 October 2010 10:17 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Hi Michiel, The RB-530 is a response pad supplied by Cedrus. http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/rb_series.htm. There seem to be quite a few users on this forum who use this unit with E-Prime so a full explanation was ommitted. I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst freeing up my dongle to continue developing. It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- Prime installation CD (see User Guide). The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error. Everything matches the script in the .ebs file (Comm Port 3, Baudrate 19200,n,8,1) Cheers Tony On Oct 7, 10:26 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Is the RB-530 the PST SRBox? We're not PST over here, so a few details would be welcome: > - What is the RB-530? If it is indeed the PST SRBox, I can most definitely confirm that E-Run runs everything, including Boxes, that E-Studio runs. > - How did you manage to install E-Run BUT NOT E-Prime? Try to install the whole deal, see if that works. I believe PST offers some kind of package to run E-Prime experiments without having the full E-Prime package installed, but E-Run is just the thing that comes with E-Prime. >  Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? > > Hi, > I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It > runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. > Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an > error. > Thanks > Anthony McGuffie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 8 21:35:56 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:35:56 -0400 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/8/2010 05:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: >I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst >freeing up my dongle to continue developing. > >It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- >Prime installation CD (see User Guide). Sigh. This bit of misunderstanding seems to never go away. Let me try once again to set this straight. Doing a "Subject Station" installation of EP does *not* free up a dongle to continue developing, for the simple reason that doing a full installation of EP does not *tie up* a dongle in the first place. You may do a full installation of EP on as many machines as you like within your lab. Whichever of those machines has the hardware key ("dongle") at that moment can be used as the development machine, any others work in effect as subject and data stations. Let me repeat that: E-Studio is the only application of the E-Prime suite that requires the hardware key in order to run; all the others (E-Run, E-DataAid, E-Merge, etc.) will run without the hardware key. Having E-Studio installed on a subject station does not interfere at all with its use as a subject station, to the contrary it only means that it could be pressed into service as a development station at any moment. Thus, doing a Subject Station installation provides no benefit whatsoever, and from what I see on the message boards actually introduces problems that could be avoided with a full installation. I see no reason for ever doing a Subject Station installation -- if you simply do a full installation on every machine in sight, then you can use them all as subject and data stations, with the flexibility that at any moment any of them can be pressed into service as a development station merely by plugging in the hardware key. We have use EP around here for over decade and have installed it on over a hundred machines, we have *never* done a Subject Station installation and that has never caused a problem for us. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Oct 11 13:23:12 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:23:12 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: <4caf8ec1.87b2e70a.13f3.1318SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Ever since I bought 2 E-Prime dongles in 2004, i was under the impression that E-Run was designed to be installed on multiple PC's to execute experiments in Labs etc. (A likeness to using a Visual Basic Runtime engine). This kept installation files to a minimum, reduced confusion for student lab sessions and allowed external participants without E-Prime to use the compiled .ebs files. Using this method ensured we reduced any licencing issues that may arise. An email from PST at the time ( i have just dug-out) explained the Runtime only methods available (shown below). Anthony, Access to download the E-Prime Runtime software is only available to users whom purchased a separate E-Prime Runtime license and have a valid E-Prime Runtime serial number. The cost of an E-Prime Runtime only license is $100. If you have the E-Prime v1.x CD then you can just install the run time only portion (E-Run) called the Subject Station Installation from the CD. Instructions on how to proceed are located on page 2 of the E-Prime User's Guide. Please note you must have the hardware connected to the port during installation. Once installed you no longer need to have the hardware key connected to run subjects. Sincerely, Debbie Gilkey Technical Consultant I have only recently experienced problems with the E-Run only version as the department has purchased a number of the Cedrus Response boxes and they seem to work only with the full version installed - hence the original question. I appreciate your explanation of the program functionality and look forward to correspondance in the future. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University On Oct 8, 10:35 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/8/2010 05:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: > > >I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst > >freeing up my dongle to continue developing. > > >It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- > >Prime installation CD (see User Guide). > > Sigh.  This bit of misunderstanding seems to never go away.  Let me > try once again to set this straight.  Doing a "Subject Station" > installation of EP does *not* free up a dongle to continue > developing, for the simple reason that doing a full installation of > EP does not *tie up* a dongle in the first place.  You may do a full > installation of EP on as many machines as you like within your > lab.  Whichever of those machines has the hardware key ("dongle") at > that moment can be used as the development machine, any others work > in effect as subject and data stations.  Let me repeat > that:  E-Studio is the only application of the E-Prime suite that > requires the hardware key in order to run; all the others (E-Run, > E-DataAid, E-Merge, etc.) will run without the hardware key.  Having > E-Studio installed on a subject station does not interfere at all > with its use as a subject station, to the contrary it only means that > it could be pressed into service as a development station at any moment. > > Thus, doing a Subject Station installation provides no benefit > whatsoever, and from what I see on the message boards actually > introduces problems that could be avoided with a full > installation.  I see no reason for ever doing a Subject Station > installation -- if you simply do a full installation on every machine > in sight, then you can use them all as subject and data stations, > with the flexibility that at any moment any of them can be pressed > into service as a development station merely by plugging in the hardware key. > > We have use EP around here for over decade and have installed it on > over a hundred machines, we have *never* done a Subject Station > installation and that has never caused a problem for us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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Hi Aoife, I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. Regards, Lidia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF04124C65@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, PST have just replied to me with this response: Aoife, While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum for any updates. Sincerely, Cindy Carper Technical Consultant I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and above. Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and then run that using XP, details available here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-home-versions-and-vista/. I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! I'll be back with an update over the next few days, Aoife On Oct 12, 10:09 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > Best, > > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > www.cognitology.eu > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi Aoife, > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. > > Regards, > > Lidia > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 12:42:56 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:42:56 +0100 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? Hi all, PST have just replied to me with this response: Aoife, While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum for any updates. Sincerely, Cindy Carper Technical Consultant I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and above. Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and then run that using XP, details available here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-home-versions-and-vista/. I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! I'll be back with an update over the next few days, Aoife On Oct 12, 10:09 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > Best, > > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > www.cognitology.eu > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi Aoife, > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 14:45:11 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:45:11 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF04124DDD@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, To be honest most of the response from PST is very much over my head. I'm hoping that I'll be able to get someone to explain it to me in plain old english later on this evening. Right now I just wish I had never decided to get a new laptop and stuck with the old one that worked. Life was much simpler then. I still haven't managed to get the virtual machine up and running as I am waiting on a copy of XP from my institutions IT dept but as we are in the middle of "Open Days" here no one seems quite willing to help me out on that score. I will update again once I have actually managed to achieve anything that I set out to do this week! Aoife On Oct 12, 1:42 pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! > > Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. > Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). > > Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? > > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin > Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi all, > > PST have just replied to me with this response: > > Aoife, > > While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, > internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to > experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in > comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay > for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST > Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating > systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound > experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the > SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver > on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system > to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your > sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum > for any updates. > > Sincerely, > > Cindy Carper > Technical Consultant > > I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my > personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have > Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and > above. > > Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and > then run that using XP, details available herehttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-h.... > I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a > bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and > running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD > and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! > > I'll be back with an update over the next few days, > > Aoife > > On Oct 12, 10:09 am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hiya, > > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > > Best, > > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > > Research Fellow > > > Perception & Action group > > > University of Nottingham > > > School of Psychology > > >www.cognitology.eu > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > Hi Aoife, > > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. > > > Regards, > > > Lidia > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From fifilabouche at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 13:40:13 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:40:13 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <4c41ba98-cb0b-49ce-8337-ba9053edc1d4@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Success!!!! After installing a virtual machine and then installing Windows XP as the OS, I installed e-prime on to the virtual machine and the experiments are working fine. I don't seem to be experiencing any timing problems or anything. It may be slightly fiddly and annoying having to install all this, and it perhaps wouldn't be an answer if you would have to do this to an entire lab full of computers but for anyone who only has a couple of licenses and is experiencing issues with Windows 7 this is definitely a feasible solution! Thanks to everyone for their help! Aoife On Oct 12, 3:45 pm, aoifemcloughlin wrote: > Hi Michiel, > > To be honest most of the response from PST is very much over my head. > I'm hoping that I'll be able to get someone to explain it to me in > plain old english later on this evening. Right now I just wish I had > never decided to get a new laptop and stuck with the old one that > worked. Life was much simpler then. I still haven't managed to get the > virtual machine up and running as I am waiting on a copy of XP from my > institutions IT dept but as we are in the middle of "Open Days" here > no one seems quite willing to help me out on that score. > > I will update again once I have actually managed to achieve anything > that I set out to do this week! > > Aoife > > On Oct 12, 1:42 pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > > Hi, > > Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! > > > Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. > > Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). > > > Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? > > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin > > Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > Hi all, > > > PST have just replied to me with this response: > > > Aoife, > > > While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, > > internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to > > experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in > > comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay > > for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST > > Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating > > systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound > > experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the > > SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver > > on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system > > to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your > > sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum > > for any updates. > > > Sincerely, > > > Cindy Carper > > Technical Consultant > > > I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my > > personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have > > Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and > > above. > > > Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and > > then run that using XP, details available herehttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-h.... > > I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a > > bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and > > running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD > > and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! > > > I'll be back with an update over the next few days, > > > Aoife > > > On Oct 12, 10:09 am, Michiel Spape > > wrote: > > > Hiya, > > > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > > > Best, > > > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spapé > > > > Research Fellow > > > > Perception & Action group > > > > University of Nottingham > > > > School of Psychology > > > >www.cognitology.eu > > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > > > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > > Hi Aoife, > > > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lidia > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From Jedema at pitt.edu Fri Oct 15 17:40:55 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:40:55 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff Message-ID: Hi All, I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a solution ? Thanks very much, Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 15 18:01:29 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hank, How about PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >solution ? > >Thanks very much, > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From benhisattva at googlemail.com Mon Oct 18 11:13:43 2010 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 04:13:43 -0700 Subject: Joystick movement Message-ID: Hi, We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg Thanks in advance. Cheers, Ben --- Dim nInitY As Integer Dim nCurrentY As Integer Dim nDiff As Integer nInitY = Joystick.CursorY Do nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime If nDiff > 0 Then Stimulus.RESP = "Up" Else Stimulus.RESP = "Down" End If -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 14:19:18 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:19:18 -0400 Subject: Joystick movement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: cool joystick! when do you want to advance past the slide? after any joystick movement? could you just add a line to "Run" the next object in your procedure once joystick movement is detected and you've logged things like .RTTime and .RT, etc.? ben On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi, > > We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any > button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it > doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as > the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the > allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not > press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is > completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the > joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Ben > > --- > > Dim nInitY As Integer > Dim nCurrentY As Integer > Dim nDiff As Integer > nInitY = Joystick.CursorY > Do > nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY > nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY > Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 > Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read > Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime > If nDiff > 0 Then > Stimulus.RESP = "Up" > Else > Stimulus.RESP = "Down" > End If > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 19 19:32:42 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:32:42 -0400 Subject: Experiment In-Reply-To: <7000cdcc-ab17-4b3e-8b1d-32b16aa25424@a36g2000yqc.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... At 10/19/2010 02:08 PM Tuesday, Louise Bennett wrote: >Hi i was wondering if you could tell me if its possible to create this >experiment on e-prime > >basically i want to present a fixation, then a target (prime), a >distractor and then a second stimulus, this stimulus would consist of >a list of 5 words vertically and I want participants to respond as to >whethe the target (prime) is present or absent, i am unsure how to >present the list of 5 words, and also i would want the target and the >list of words to be different every single time, with forty single >words + forty different lists of 5 words for the total number of >trials, I was wondering if this was possible to do Yes. > ... and how difficult it would be? Fairly intricate to do, almost certainly involving nested Lists. Might also require some inline code to manage all the contingencies in your design, though perhaps with clever use of nested Lists one could avoid that. > ... and if so any suggestions to how i could do this Start by working through *all* the tutorials in *all* the Guides that came with E-Prime. Pay special attention to the tutorial on nested Lists, and possibly chapter 4, "Using E-Basic", of the User's Guide. And take a class on Introduction to Computer Programming. Don't expect to get this done within the next few weeks, unless you hire it out to a competent professional. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From benhisattva at googlemail.com Wed Oct 20 10:19:55 2010 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:19:55 -0700 Subject: Joystick movement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The joystick is pretty cool, the best thing about it is that came with 99 C64 games. I solved the problem and for those who might run in similar problems here is the solution: The script follows the picture display and as I set the duration picture display to it never terminates and thus the script is never executed. Very, very simple problem, but it took me a long time to find it... Cheers, Ben On 18 Okt., 16:19, ben robinson wrote: > cool joystick! > when do you want to advance past the slide?  after any joystick movement? >  could you just add a line to "Run" the next object in your procedure once > joystick movement is detected and you've logged things like .RTTime and .RT, > etc.? > > ben > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Ben wrote: > > Hi, > > > We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any > > button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it > > doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as > > the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the > > allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not > > press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is > > completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the > > joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: > >http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg > > Thanks in advance. > > > Cheers, > > > Ben > > > --- > > > Dim nInitY As Integer > > Dim nCurrentY As Integer > > Dim nDiff As Integer > > nInitY = Joystick.CursorY > > Do > >   nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY > >   nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY > > Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 > > Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read > > Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime > > If nDiff > 0 Then > >   Stimulus.RESP = "Up" > > Else > >   Stimulus.RESP = "Down" > > End If > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 20 14:04:46 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:04:46 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <4cb89700.1fb9e70a.5688.ffffa457SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? Thanks for your help, Hank On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Hank, > > How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > are more like 10 days)?  And perchance you do get an answer from PST > Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > > > > >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >solution ? > > >Thanks very much, > > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:12:57 2010 From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:12:57 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hank, *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page, http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp (requires support login). But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. -dv On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > Thanks for your help, > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: >> Hank, >> >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates >> are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. >> >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >>> solution ? >> >>> Thanks very much, >> >>> Hank > -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:14:21 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:14:21 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Have you tried reinstalling an older version (like 2.07x)? I can imagine, if you can't find any of those online anymore, people here might have one... Not sure whether you meant this bug was introduced somewhere along the 2.0 pipeline, or whether you upgraded from 1.2 to 2.0. PS: I think that's a great idea about such a place and would even say we should have an unofficial list/thread for "known bugs". I know there's quite a number of them, but you can't really expect PST to publish this :) Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hank Jedema Sent: 20 October 2010 15:05 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? Thanks for your help, Hank On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Hank, > > How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > are more like 10 days)?  And perchance you do get an answer from PST > Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > > > > >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >solution ? > > >Thanks very much, > > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:16:40 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:16:40 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <4CBEF8E9.9090905@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oops, you beat me to it by showing evidence to the contrary to what I've said! Although, yes, I do also believe any such list will be incomplete - and, apart from that, not as publicly available (for instance, students would find difficulty in reaching it, also potential customers who only later find out there's a problem known, but unsolved). Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson Sent: 20 October 2010 15:13 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff Hank, *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page, http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp (requires support login). But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. -dv On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > Thanks for your help, > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: >> Hank, >> >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates >> are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. >> >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >>> solution ? >> >>> Thanks very much, >> >>> Hank > -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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From jess.s.nixon at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:11:56 2010 From: jess.s.nixon at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?0bDV0taqyrY=?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:11:56 -0700 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay Message-ID: Hi all, I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word interference paradigm). I saw a similar query here: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a24da0dfa/5f8769c586733592?lnk=gst&q=superimpose#5f8769c586733592 but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). My first attempt is like this: I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the picture. If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component Displays. The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any suggestions, they'd be very welcome! Thanks, Jessie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 21 21:58:48 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay In-Reply-To: <27e33d84-8522-4606-a902-8dec0851024a@j5g2000vbg.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: Jessie, >I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word >superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word >interference paradigm). > >I saw a similar query here: >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a24da0dfa/5f8769c586733592?lnk=gst&q=superimpose#5f8769c586733592 >but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than >superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, >but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). To the contrary, that post exactly answers your question, i.e., the stimuli are *both* sequential *and* superimposed, which is exactly what you have asked for. Read it carefully again. In particular, imagine what a TextDisplay BackStyle of Transparent might do. >My first attempt is like this: >I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for >the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the >End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it >still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image >Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the >picture. > >If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no >options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component >Displays. > >The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, >followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But >this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. Actually, this would be a very ordinary way to do this in EP, and even though I know how to do overlays, for a simple 1-2 overlay as you describe I would probably do it with an image followed by a Slide that contains the image plus the text. Note that even in this case you might want to attend to the BackStyle property of the SlideText object, plus its other Frame properties. As for the RT, as also mentioned in the original post, simply use Extended Input with the initial stimulus, and do not have the Slide that follows the initial stimulus collect any response. >I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any >suggestions, they'd be very welcome! > >Thanks, >Jessie -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jess.s.nixon at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 08:32:00 2010 From: jess.s.nixon at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?0bDV0taqyrY=?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:32:00 -0700 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay In-Reply-To: <4cc0b7ed.1fb9e70a.6f75.ffffb32aSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Great. Thanks for your advice, David. On Oct 21, 11:58 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessie, > > >I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word > >superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word > >interference paradigm). > > >I saw a similar query here: > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a2... > >but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than > >superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, > >but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). > > To the contrary, that post exactly answers your question, i.e., the > stimuli are *both* sequential *and* superimposed, which is exactly > what you have asked for.  Read it carefully again.  In particular, > imagine what a TextDisplay BackStyle of Transparent might do. > > >My first attempt is like this: > >I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for > >the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the > >End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it > >still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image > >Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the > >picture. > > >If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no > >options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component > >Displays. > > >The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, > >followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But > >this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. > > Actually, this would be a very ordinary way to do this in EP, and > even though I know how to do overlays, for a simple 1-2 overlay as > you describe I would probably do it with an image followed by a Slide > that contains the image plus the text.  Note that even in this case > you might want to attend to the BackStyle property of the SlideText > object, plus its other Frame properties.  As for the RT, as also > mentioned in the original post, simply use Extended Input with the > initial stimulus, and do not have the Slide that follows the initial > stimulus collect any response. > > >I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any > >suggestions, they'd be very welcome! > > >Thanks, > >Jessie > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From sarah.rose.cavanagh at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 00:41:38 2010 From: sarah.rose.cavanagh at gmail.com (aviendra) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:41:38 -0700 Subject: Multiple monitor fail when using nested lists Message-ID: Hello, I am using E-Prime 2.0 Pro on an XP machine with multiple monitors. My script works just fine (retrieves images from the correct folder using nested lists) when I have it running on a single monitor. When I add the second display, it suddenly errors out with a "cannot load image file" message. Strangely, it is quite happy to display simple objects such as text slides on the second display, so it isn't that there is something wrong with the hardware or the setup of the display within E- Prime. Has anyone else had a similar problem or have any other insight into this? I've tried searching around this group and the PST forums and have run into people having other problems with multiple monitors, but not this one. I've tried lots of things like changing settings within the display settings; switching down to a low resolution; making sure that the two monitors have a similar resolution; etc. just thought I'd try! thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jasoncraggs at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 13:10:08 2010 From: jasoncraggs at gmail.com (Jason Craggs) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:10:08 -0400 Subject: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support In-Reply-To: <4ca0e521.194de70a.3ced.18d4SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Greetings all, Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone have any webspace they could share/donate to the cause? Jason On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:40 PM, David McFarlane wrote: > David, > > Thanks for the notice, I had no idea. And just when, with Brian > MacWhinney's help, I was getting ready to post some of my demo programs on > the Group, darn. But we may work out another possibility, so stay tuned. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > I just got word that Google is about to discontinue some Google groups >> features which are relevant to this group: >> As of November 2010 no new files can be uploaded, no new pages can be >> created. As of February 2011 all existing files and pages will be >> removed. >> Source: >> http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html?hl=en >> >> Just thought I'd let you know... >> -David >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Oct 25 18:45:53 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:45:53 -0400 Subject: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jason, As a matter of fact, both PST and STEP already provide example EP files for download at their web sites, and all of the example files on the EP Google Groups Files page were copied from there (the remaining files on the Group site were uploaded by people looking for help, and should never have been stored there). In addition, STEP may provide space for people who (like me) wish to provide additional example programs. Finally, as noted in the thread at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/7ee0b7abb3a488b2/b3e6c04582342921 , Nick Fraenkel at the University of London wishes to post a growing collection of "E-Prime Tricks" on his site at http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/category/e-prime/ , perhaps he would also like to host some shared files there. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Greetings all, > >Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone >have any webspace they could share/donate to the cause? > >Jason > > > >On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:40 PM, David McFarlane ><mcfarla9 at msu.edu> wrote: >David, > >Thanks for the notice, I had no idea. And just when, with Brian >MacWhinney's help, I was getting ready to post some of my demo >programs on the Group, darn. But we may work out another >possibility, so stay tuned. > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > >I just got word that Google is about to discontinue some Google groups >features which are relevant to this group: >As of November 2010 no new files can be uploaded, no new pages can be >created. As of February 2011 all existing files and pages will be >removed. >Source: >http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html?hl=en > >Just thought I'd let you know... >-David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From macw at cmu.edu Tue Oct 26 20:47:19 2010 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:47:19 -0400 Subject: Digest for e-prime@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <001636d34a2e381c140493825ef9@google.com> Message-ID: Dear Jason and David, Yes, David is totally right. All of these materials can be found at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-techniques/ Moreover, if people have additional script examples they wish to contribute, I am happy to put them into this same collection. No charge for the space. It is a shame that Google has to step back from supporting user files, but I think I can understand the issue. I remember how we got spammed by some pretty outrageous porn in the Files area, when I was still allowing enrollment without approval. Regarding Nick Fraenkel's "Tricks" web pages, that URL doesn't quite work, but this one does http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/ Perhaps we could have a page at step.psy.cmu.edu pointing to personal pages of this type, if people plan to keep and maintain them. Best wishes, -- Brian MacWhinney (E-Prime list and STEP website maintainer, and Professor of Psychology, CMU) On Oct 26, 2010, at 6:14 AM, e-prime+noreply at googlegroups.com wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/topics > > Google groups to discontinue files and pages support [2 Updates] > Topic: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support > Jason Craggs Oct 25 09:10AM -0400 ^ > > Greetings all, > > Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone have any > webspace they could share/donate to the cause? > > Jason > > > > > David McFarlane Oct 25 02:45PM -0400 ^ > > Jason, > > As a matter of fact, both PST and STEP already provide example EP > files for download at their web sites, and all of the example files > on the EP Google Groups Files page were copied from there (the > remaining files on the Group site were uploaded by people looking for > help, and should never have been stored there). In addition, STEP > may provide space for people who (like me) wish to provide additional > example programs. > > Finally, as noted in the thread at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/7ee0b7abb3a488b2/b3e6c04582342921 > , Nick Fraenkel at the University of London wishes to post a growing > collection of "E-Prime Tricks" on his site at > http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/category/e-prime/ , > perhaps he would also like to host some shared files there. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 27 12:43:01 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 05:43:01 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF042AB683@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks to all for your feedback and comments. Just to clarify, I upgraded from v 2.08.22 to 2.08.79, so I was not expecting any major issues. PST contacted me last Friday to inform me that the preliminary fix is not complete yet. To their credit, they did mention their list of known bugs on PST website although I was unable to find the "not looping" bug on said list. Hank On Oct 20, 10:16 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Oops, you beat me to it by showing evidence to the contrary to what I've said! Although, yes, I do also believe any such list will be incomplete - and, apart from that, not as publicly available (for instance, students would find difficulty in reaching it, also potential customers who only later find out there's a problem known, but unsolved). > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson > Sent: 20 October 2010 15:13 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff > > Hank, > > *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page,http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp (requires support login). > But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. > > -dv > > On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane  wrote: > >> Hank, > > >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > >> are more like 10 days)?  And perchance you do get an answer from PST > >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >>> solution ? > > >>> Thanks very much, > > >>> Hank > > -- > David Vinson, Ph.D. > Senior Postdoctoral Researcher > Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department > University College London > 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP > Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311  (UCL internal ext. 25311) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From tobias.fw at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 15:23:33 2010 From: tobias.fw at gmail.com (Tobias) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:23:33 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration Message-ID: Hi together, I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the system is running stable for at least a year without problems. Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic update? Did any of you ancounter similar problems? Thanks, Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:05:42 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:05:42 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response Message-ID: Hello, I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I’m having an issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e8c69d6e/270bd8208b9e1d81?lnk=gst&q=wait+to+collect+response+#270bd8208b9e1d81 The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time from the RT of the object which works fine. I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has made a response thus moving them to the next trial. The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the objects end action to “none” doesn’t help because if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event under study. My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:24:36 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:24:36 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've actually had problems with one the of University's dongles in the past. After switching it out I no longer had the problem. If you have the option I would give that a shot. On Oct 27, 10:23 am, Tobias wrote: > Hi together, > > I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- > Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the > system is running stable for at least a year without problems. > Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed > anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic > update? Did any of you ancounter similar problems? > > Thanks, > Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From uomotorcontrol at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:36:56 2010 From: uomotorcontrol at gmail.com (UO Motor Control) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:36:56 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also, I've encountered a similar problem while using E-Prime 2 in an EGI NetStation setup. The E-Prime computer isn't allowed to connect to the internet (as per EGI's specs). 6 months in, I'd unplugged the dongle to plug in a flash disk (not enough USB ports) and started a script while forgetting to re-insert the dongle. The result was that E-Prime flipped out in the way Tobias described, requiring me to re-enter all the required serial numbers, etc. -Wayne Manselle Motor Control Lab On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Matt Paffel wrote: > I've actually had problems with one the of University's dongles in the > past. After switching it out I no longer had the problem. > > If you have the option I would give that a shot. > > On Oct 27, 10:23 am, Tobias wrote: > > Hi together, > > > > I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- > > Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the > > system is running stable for at least a year without problems. > > Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed > > anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic > > update? 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 08:41:08 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:41:08 +0100 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <92cf7e60-cd2c-41ba-8f80-9cdaea650c2a@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I think the simplest way to do this would be to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. i.e.: 0 ms: Sound starts playing (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) [no response capturing] 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. end If So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way to "hold off on collecting a response" would, essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. Best, Mich Michiel Spapé Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 To: E-Prime Subject: wait to collect response Hello, I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e8c69d6e/270bd8208b9e1d81?lnk=gst&q=wait+to+collect+response+#270bd8208b9e1d81 The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time from the RT of the object which works fine. I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has made a response thus moving them to the next trial. The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event under study. My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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From lapate at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 13:55:37 2010 From: lapate at gmail.com (Regina L) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:55:37 -0700 Subject: random assignment of stimulus to condition while keeping the assignment fixed throughout the experiment? Message-ID: Dear e-prime experts, I'm having a seemingly simple issue where your thoughts would be much appreciated: I have a set of stimuli (eg, snakes), half of which I want to randomly assign to condition A, and the other half to condition B (for a given participant; condition here refers to presentation type). If I were presenting each stimulus only once, this would be easy to accomplish (e.g., by simply nesting a list of all the snake stimuli - where selection is random without replacement- in both a list of condition A and in a list of condition B). However, I'd like to present each stimulus twice to a given participant-- so, if e.g., "snake1.bmp" got assigned to the condition A, I would like to present it one more time during the experiment, again in condition A. I am having trouble figuring out how to accommodate these needs in an eprime list format. In other words, I would like to be able to generate the random assignment of stimulus to condition, and to use this assignment information more than once during the experiment (i.e., twice). Thank you very much in advance for your thoughts! Regina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 16:33:55 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:33:55 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF042AC27D@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different objects. First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the 4800 mark. It seems to work out pretty slick. Thanks again, Matt On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I think the simplest way to do this would be to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > i.e.: > 0 ms: Sound starts playing (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > [no response capturing] > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then >         SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound >         c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > end If > > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way to "hold off on collecting a response" would, essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spapé > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > To: E-Prime > Subject: wait to collect response > > Hello, > > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > objects  end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > under study. > > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 18:55:35 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:55:35 -0400 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, you want the program to ignore those and accept only their first response past the 4800 ms mark? E.g., it's OK if the subject responds once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four times) and then responds once more after the 4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? I had misread your earlier post and thought that you meant to collect one response only any time during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that the sound played through at least 4800 ms and thereafter terminated upon any response (including any response detected earlier), and was prepared to write up solutions for that situation (all involving some degree of inline code). But if you really mean to ignore premature responses, then, for the record, you don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor the intervening Wait object. You could accomplish the same end simply with something like StimSound RespWait where StimSound presents the sound with Duration of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus to stimulus, set using an an attribute reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is a Wait object with Duration and input mask set as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. > >I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different >objects. >First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 >Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. >After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. >Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the >4800 mark. >It seems to work out pretty slick. > >Thanks again, > >Matt > > >On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape >wrote: > > Hi, > > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I > think the simplest way to do this would be to > disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > > i.e.: > > 0 ms: Sound starts playing > (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound > (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > > [no response capturing] > > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an > invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then > > SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound > > c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime > - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > > end If > > > > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way > to "hold off on collecting a response" would, > essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > > Best, > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spapé > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: wait to collect response > > > > Hello, > > > > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > > > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > > > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > > > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > > objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > > under study. > > > > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > > for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 19:01:14 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:01:14 -0400 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <4cc9c74e.1fb9e70a.51b3.42ccSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Matt, Oh, and I don't see how any of these solutions terminate the sound playback for a response past the 4800 ms (as specified in the opeining post), other than having the playback of the next sound terminate the playback of the previous sound. But perhaps I am just missing something. How did you get that to work? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder David McFarlane wrote: >Matt, > >Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and >submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, >you want the program to ignore those and accept >only their first response past the 4800 ms >mark? E.g., it's OK if the subject responds >once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four >times) and then responds once more after the >4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? > >I had misread your earlier post and thought that >you meant to collect one response only any time >during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time >during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that >the sound played through at least 4800 ms and >thereafter terminated upon any response >(including any response detected earlier), and >was prepared to write up solutions for that >situation (all involving some degree of inline >code). But if you really mean to ignore >premature responses, then, for the record, you >don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor >the intervening Wait object. You could >accomplish the same end simply with something like > >StimSound >RespWait > >where StimSound presents the sound with Duration >of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus >to stimulus, set using an an attribute >reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is >a Wait object with Duration and input mask set >as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. >> >>I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different >>objects. >>First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 >>Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. >>After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. >>Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the >>4800 mark. >>It seems to work out pretty slick. >> >>Thanks again, >> >>Matt >> >> >>On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape >>wrote: >> > Hi, >> > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, >> I think the simplest way to do this would be >> to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. >> > i.e.: >> > 0 ms: Sound starts playing >> (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound >> (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) >> > [no response capturing] >> > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an >> invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate >> > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: >> > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then >> > SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound >> > c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime >> - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. >> > end If >> > >> > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way >> to "hold off on collecting a response" would, >> essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. >> > Best, >> > Mich >> > >> > Michiel Spapé >> > Research Fellow >> > Perception & Action group >> > University of Nottingham >> > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >> [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel >> > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 >> > To: E-Prime >> > Subject: wait to collect response >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an >> > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: >> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... >> > >> > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately >> > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to >> > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time >> > from the RT of the object which works fine. >> > >> > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has >> > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. >> > >> > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to >> > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the >> > objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant >> > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event >> > under study. >> > >> > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response >> > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > >-- >You received this message because you are >subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 19:09:25 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:09:25 -0400 Subject: random assignment of stimulus to condition while keeping the assignment fixed throughout the experiment? In-Reply-To: <13f7382f-080e-4312-bad0-75a32b060b0a@f33g2000yqh.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Regina, Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... Offhand, this sounds like the same issue faced in Study/Recall designs, and PST helpfully provides an example that you may download from the Samples area of their web site (though I don't know how good it is -- the PST examples have the virtue that they usually do provide bona fide working models, but PST programmers are generally sloppy and provide poor models to follow). In short, you almost certainly have to use inline code to construct a List (or better yet, nested List) during the first phase for use in later phases of the run. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Dear e-prime experts, > >I'm having a seemingly simple issue where your thoughts would be much >appreciated: > >I have a set of stimuli (eg, snakes), half of which I want to randomly >assign to condition A, and the other half to condition B (for a given >participant; condition here refers to presentation type). >If I were presenting each stimulus only once, this would be easy to >accomplish (e.g., by simply nesting a list of all the snake stimuli - >where selection is random without replacement- in both a list of >condition A and in a list of condition B). > >However, I'd like to present each stimulus twice to a given >participant-- so, if e.g., "snake1.bmp" got assigned to the condition >A, I would like to present it one more time during the experiment, >again in condition A. > >I am having trouble figuring out how to accommodate these needs in an >eprime list format. In other words, I would like to be able to >generate the random assignment of stimulus to condition, and to use >this assignment information more than once during the experiment >(i.e., twice). > >Thank you very much in advance for your thoughts! > >Regina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 18:31:36 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:31:36 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <4cc9c892.87b2e70a.2349.42d8SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response David and you are absolutely correct, this setup does not have the sound terminate. The original files contained a few milliseconds of negative space after the sustain modifier drops off. Simply editing the sound files to remove this space remedied the need for the sound to terminate as the effect quickly drops to 0 after the chord has played which in turn makes it relatively inaudible through the fixation period between trials. On Oct 28, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Matt, > > Oh, and I don't see how any of these solutions > terminate the sound playback for a response past > the 4800 ms (as specified in the opeining post), > other than having the playback of the next sound > terminate the playback of the previous > sound.  But perhaps I am just missing something.  How did you get that to work? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > David McFarlane wrote: > >Matt, > > >Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and > >submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, > >you want the program to ignore those and accept > >only their first response past the 4800 ms > >mark?  E.g., it's OK if the subject responds > >once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four > >times) and then responds once more after the > >4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? > > >I had misread your earlier post and thought that > >you meant to collect one response only any time > >during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time > >during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that > >the sound played through at least 4800 ms and > >thereafter terminated upon any response > >(including any response detected earlier), and > >was prepared to write up solutions for that > >situation (all involving some degree of inline > >code).  But if you really mean to ignore > >premature responses, then, for the record, you > >don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor > >the intervening Wait object.  You could > >accomplish the same end simply with something like > > >StimSound > >RespWait > > >where StimSound presents the sound with Duration > >of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus > >to stimulus, set using an an attribute > >reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is > >a Wait object with Duration and input mask set > >as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. > > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. > > >>I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different > >>objects. > >>First, I have a TextDisplay, duration  = 0 > >>Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. > >>After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. > >>Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the > >>4800 mark. > >>It seems to work out pretty slick. > > >>Thanks again, > > >>Matt > > >>On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape > >>wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, > >> I think the simplest way to do this would be > >> to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > >> > i.e.: > >> > 0 ms: Sound starts playing > >> (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound > >> (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > >> > [no response capturing] > >> > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an > >> invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > >> > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > >> > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then > >> >         SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound > >> >         c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime > >> - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > >> > end If > > >> > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way > >> to "hold off on collecting a response" would, > >> essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > >> > Best, > >> > Mich > > >> > Michiel Spapé > >> > Research Fellow > >> > Perception & Action group > >> > University of Nottingham > >> > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > >> [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > >> > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > >> > To: E-Prime > >> > Subject: wait to collect response > > >> > Hello, > > >> > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > >> > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > >> > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > >> > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > >> > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > >> > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > >> > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > >> > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > >> > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > >> > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > >> > objects  end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > >> > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > >> > under study. > > >> > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > >> > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > > >-- > >You received this message because you are > >subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From verahau at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 06:56:38 2010 From: verahau at gmail.com (Vera) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:56:38 -0700 Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? Message-ID: Hello, I am using inLine script to write my program as it involves a large amount of drawing. However, when we tested the program, there was around an extra 1s added to the whole block (with 16 trials per block). Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem? If so, how can I write an inLine script with the following requirements: (1) use a cumulative event mode, (2) use a pre-release of 100ms, (3) data logging, (4) have a response time window, and (5) restrict the acceptable answer key. Currently, I have to do data logging by using an object (as suggested by the PST technician). This object breaks my inLine script. Thus, the screen is being refreshed and flashing is resulted. Therefore, I would like to find ways of writing a script to log the data. Thanks, Vera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 09:50:11 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:50:11 +0100 Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, "Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem?" Generally, yes. See the appropriate chapter from the manual on that. However, since your timing problem concerns whole blocks, rather than trials, you might have some difficulty (i.e., you can shift some timing problems to the end of your trial, but that won't immediately help you). I was wondering, though, what do you mean 'a large amount of drawing'? Do you have a drawing experiment (say, with a digital pen and tablet) or do you use tons of canvas scripts to "draw" on a screen? I expect the latter. In this case, you should really consider using a "buffered screen" (rather than pre-release) where you first draw at whatever time you see fit, then, when finished drawing, replace the 'active' screen display for the buffered screen. I can send you examples, if you like. "Currently, I have to do data logging by using an object (as suggested by the PST technician). This object breaks my inLine script. Thus, the screen is being refreshed and flashing is resulted." "Thus" is not correct. The screen does not need to flash due to you 'using an object', for three reasons: 1. If screen A), say, your drawing screen, has a black background and interrupted by a black screen, it should not be visible. You can also consider using 0 pixels width and 0 pixels height text displays, drawn in the lower right corner, use no clear after, and voila, no problem. 2. If you do not set vertical onset sync to on, it will not refresh. Offset sync is off by default, but you might check that too. 3. You could (and should) consider placing the logging screen BEFORE the drawing. Let it have a max count responses (see advanced properties in duration/input) of 100, a duration of 0 and a time-limit of 10000 (or whatever) and check responses afterwards (or whenever you feel like it). The running of this object should not interfere visually with the drawing. Go to Ebasic help and find: InputMask.Responses (property) Hope that helps, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vera Sent: 05 October 2010 07:57 To: E-Prime Subject: Pre-release in inLine script? Hello, I am using inLine script to write my program as it involves a large amount of drawing. However, when we tested the program, there was around an extra 1s added to the whole block (with 16 trials per block). Does anyone know if pre-release is possible to solve this problem? If so, how can I write an inLine script with the following requirements: (1) use a cumulative event mode, (2) use a pre-release of 100ms, (3) data logging, (4) have a response time window, and (5) restrict the acceptable answer key. Currently, I have to do data logging by using an object (as suggested by the PST technician). This object breaks my inLine script. Thus, the screen is being refreshed and flashing is resulted. Therefore, I would like to find ways of writing a script to log the data. Thanks, Vera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:51:22 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:51:22 -0700 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: <17954772-40f2-43e6-8e9f-c00e2fa7c977@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Dana, Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is going back 2 years as far as I can tell. Yours, Aoife On Aug 16, 12:43?pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > Still no reply from PST, Lidia. ?yes, I will certainly let you know! > > Best, > Dana > > On Aug 6, 6:23?am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions. ?The > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > my new laptop. > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion? ?And if so, was it > > successful? > > > Thanks! > > Dana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:58:31 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:58:31 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been running an experiment which has sound files included on a machine using XP and it has been running fine. My university has now updated all machines to Windows 7 (and my own personal laptop is on windows 7) and now my experiment is crashing and the sound files won't play or at best will play but delayed. A quick search of this oh so useful forum informs me that this is a common problem. Has anyone found a way around it that works? I find it hard to believe that PST have not done anything to remedy this problem which has been known about since the rough days when we were confined to using Vista. Its unacceptable from them. Any one any ideas? Thanks in advance, Aoife -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 5 16:16:51 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:16:51 -0400 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <7eb2f401-3724-4e7b-8ff5-70b138380553@i13g2000yqd.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Aoife, >My university has now updated all machines to Windows 7 (and my own >personal laptop is on >windows 7) As you found out, this is a big, big mistake. Folks, take control, do NOT let your universities do this to you!! Around here we have a firm policy of ordering lab computers with XP already installed, and as a last resort we reformat and install XP ourselves. Sorry state of affairs, I agree, but it does the job. (And yes, I know researchers who wish they could still do everything in DOS.) -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From pquain at une.edu.au Tue Oct 5 17:34:59 2010 From: pquain at une.edu.au (Peter Quain) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:34:59 +1100 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh dear. Yet another Windows 7 SNAFU. After researching eprime / Windows 7 relationship described in many posts on this forum, *Why* would anyone using eprime "upgrade" from a working OS (XP) ?? That is what is ridiculous. Go back to your old hardware, and XP, and stay there. Problem solved. At 02:51 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote: >Dana, > >Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is >crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a >machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is >going back 2 years as far as I can tell. > >Yours, >Aoife > >On Aug 16, 12:43 pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > Still no reply from PST, Lidia. yes, I will certainly let you know! > > > > Best, > > Dana > > > > On Aug 6, 6:23 am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions. The > > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > > my new laptop. > > > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion? And if so, was it > > > successful? > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dana > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "E-Prime" group. >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Tue Oct 5 19:14:34 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:14:34 -0700 Subject: Missing label Message-ID: I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and advance to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a certain response to slide ? Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help not all that helpful. Thanks very much. Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From vasquezb at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 19:39:38 2010 From: vasquezb at gmail.com (Brandon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:39:38 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms Message-ID: I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 09:10:43 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:10:43 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Message-ID: Hi, I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an error. Thanks Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:08:19 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:08:19 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Nope not possible, but for a very different reason than you think (or so I guess). Any idea how insanely short 1ms is? It's too short for your display to catch up on: i.e. e-primewise it might be possible to have a 1ms slide duration but there is no display that can do 1ms refreshes (that would require a refreshrate of 1000 hz!). There is much ado regarding refresh rates on lcd screens, as far as I know the general consensus for millisecond timing in the scientific community is that you should always use CRT displays and if by any chance possible you ought to verify their refresh rate yourself, rather than just rely on, for instance, e-prime to get the timing correct by itself. So.. say you have a 90hz CRT screen, you'd have a complete screen refresh every 11.11 milliseconds and this then is the shortest presentation time possible. Therefore your 1ms slides are probably shown at 11.11 (90 hz), 11,76 (85hz), 13,33 (75 hz) etc ms. I am not sure what you'd need 1 ms slide durations for but I daresay that such a design is impossible to implement. If you decide to adjust your set-up and still need ms timing on this very low ms range: there is a number of techniques that should be used to get e-prime to actually give the timing that you think it should give. If I remember correctly the manual has a chapter dedicated to milliseconds timing. Best, AW On Oct 5, 9:39?pm, Brandon wrote: > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:10:50 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:10:50 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah.... I just see that there is another topic on ms timing issues active rigth now: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/ba1e927d0d49768b On Oct 6, 2:08?pm, liwenna wrote: > Nope not possible, but for a very different reason than you think (or > so I guess). > > Any idea how insanely short 1ms is? It's too short for your display to > catch up on: i.e. e-primewise it might be possible to have a 1ms slide > duration but there is no display that can do 1ms refreshes (that would > require a refreshrate of 1000 hz!). There is much ado regarding > refresh rates on lcd screens, as far as I know the general consensus > for millisecond timing in the scientific community is that you should > always use CRT displays and if by any chance possible you ought to > verify their refresh rate yourself, rather than just rely on, for > instance, e-prime to get the timing correct by itself. So.. say you > have a 90hz CRT screen, ?you'd have a complete screen refresh every > 11.11 milliseconds and this then is the shortest presentation time > possible. Therefore your 1ms slides are probably shown at 11.11 (90 > hz), 11,76 (85hz), 13,33 (75 hz) etc ms. > > I am not sure what you'd need 1 ms slide durations for but I daresay > that such a design is impossible to implement. If you decide to adjust > your set-up and still need ms timing on this very low ms range: there > is a number of techniques that should be used to get e-prime to > actually give the timing that you think it should give. If I remember > correctly the manual has a chapter dedicated to milliseconds timing. > > Best, > > AW > > On Oct 5, 9:39?pm, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:17:00 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:17:00 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Hank, I think your question is answered in of the FAQ items on the pst webste (http://www.pstnet.com/eprimelegFAQ.cfm ): ******* Is there any way to use the Label object to jump outside of a procedure? E-Prime does not allow you to jump outside a procedure. A procedure is a timeline of events, hence when you jump to the end of the procedure you are skipping over the events that occur in one single trial. To jump outside a procedure you must terminate the List Object based on some criterion. To do this you must include an InLine Object containing a small amount of script. The InLine Object would be placed following the object that is accepting the input. The following lines of script would be implemented in order to terminate the List Object if an incorrect answer was received. The lines of script below assume that the input is collected via a TextDisplay named ?Stimulus?, and the List Object that is to be terminated is named "TrialList". If Stimulus.ACC = 0 then TrialList.Terminate ************** Good luck! liw On Oct 5, 9:14?pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > advance ?to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > certain response to slide ? > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > not all that helpful. > > Thanks very much. > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:20:54 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:20:54 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ow and as for your second question... not really :/ I learned most here on the google group and by myself just by doing doing doing trying trying trying. The manual is sometimes helpful for very specific problems and so is very sometimes the e-basic help function, but I agree it often seems to be 'just off' with respect to being a low level guide as to how to code. If it's any consoloditation: when I started using e-prime I was totally unexperienced with respect to any computer language and ermm yeah... I do kinda understand e-primes e-basic now ;) On Oct 5, 9:14?pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > advance ?to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > certain response to slide ? > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > not all that helpful. > > Thanks very much. > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 13:56:47 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:56:47 -0400 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the participant to press a button in response. i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > but no data is being recorded. 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URL: From liwenna at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 14:52:05 2010 From: liwenna at gmail.com (liwenna) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:52:05 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use this set up? On Oct 6, 3:56?pm, ben robinson wrote: > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > participant to press a button in response. > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From vasquezb at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 16:30:29 2010 From: vasquezb at gmail.com (Brandon) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:30:29 -0700 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52?am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56?pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 6 16:46:54 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:46:54 -0700 Subject: Missing label In-Reply-To: <87c472e4-3764-4fda-aa5a-2c03ca15c7f0@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much for your reply. That did the trick. On Oct 6, 8:17?am, liwenna wrote: > Hey Hank, > > I think your question is answered in of the FAQ items on the pst > webste (http://www.pstnet.com/eprimelegFAQ.cfm): > ******* > Is there any way to use the Label object to jump outside of a > procedure? > > E-Prime does not allow you to jump outside a procedure. A procedure is > a timeline of events, hence when you jump to the end of the procedure > you are skipping over the events that occur in one single trial. To > jump outside a procedure you must terminate the List Object based on > some criterion. To do this you must include an InLine Object > containing a small amount of script. The InLine Object would be placed > following the object that is accepting the input. The following lines > of script would be implemented in order to terminate the List Object > if an incorrect answer was received. The lines of script below assume > that the input is collected via a TextDisplay named ?Stimulus?, and > the List Object that is to be terminated is named "TrialList". > > If Stimulus.ACC = 0 then TrialList.Terminate > > ************** > > Good luck! > > liw > > On Oct 5, 9:14?pm, Hank Jedema wrote: > > > > > I have a main procedure containing multiple lists that are used to > > cycle through different slides using other procedures (stimulus > > procedure). When a response to the slide occurs, the Inline item in > > the stimulus procedure which evaluates the slide is supposed to end > > the cycling through the list and end the stimulus procedure, and > > advance ?to a label located in the main procedure (goto LabelX). When > > I try to create the script however, I get the error "Missing label" > > apparently because the label is outside of the stimulus procedure. How > > am I supposed to "break out" of a sub-procedure in block list given a > > certain response to slide ? > > > Does anybody have recommendations for good instructions to learn the > > proper code used in E-prime Inline objects ? I find the E-basic help > > not all that helpful. > > > Thanks very much. > > > Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 19:07:07 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:07:07 -0400 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0adb3c7c-1323-4177-b3b0-ea2e2a52e054@l6g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: > I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically > a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position > would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate > would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I > tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit > parameter as Ben suggested. > > Thank you both for the help! > :-) > > > > On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > > this set up? > > > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and > RTTime > > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so > long > > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > > participant to press a button in response. > > > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their > durations > > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is > too > > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a > solution? > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens ben robinson Verzonden: wo 6-10-2010 20:07 Aan: e-prime at googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, > > > but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too > > > short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "E-Prime" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:27:34 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:27:34 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <74f77176-d5ca-4576-ab0a-07996b7f931c@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: [Some harsh words - IF NOT(like nagging) THEN goto label1] Please read the E-Primer (www.cognitology.eu, below the rest of my publications), or the quick start guide (there's a pdf on the web as well) for necessary information... E-Prime is not like MS Word or an ipod or something - you will need to read up on it. label1: That said: do you want reaction times smaller than 1 ms? Or do you want to record RTs in response TO the 1 ms? If so, set Time Limit to 1000, and you can record responses within a limit of a 1000 ms. The slide duration is certainly not too short for logging to occur. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Sent: 05 October 2010 20:40 To: E-Prime Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:31:52 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:31:52 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0412418F@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sorry, wrote this yesterday before other replies but something stopped my post from being sent - this is not really relevant anymore. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 07 October 2010 09:28 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms [Some harsh words - IF NOT(like nagging) THEN goto label1] Please read the E-Primer (www.cognitology.eu, below the rest of my publications), or the quick start guide (there's a pdf on the web as well) for necessary information... E-Prime is not like MS Word or an ipod or something - you will need to read up on it. label1: That said: do you want reaction times smaller than 1 ms? Or do you want to record RTs in response TO the 1 ms? If so, set Time Limit to 1000, and you can record responses within a limit of a 1000 ms. The slide duration is certainly not too short for logging to occur. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Sent: 05 October 2010 20:40 To: E-Prime Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. I have logging enabled, but no data is being recorded. I thought maybe the 1ms interval is too short for logging to occur. But maybe someone out there has a solution? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:27:57 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:27:57 +0100 Subject: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate In-Reply-To: <201010051735.o95HZ9o0000830@mail10.tpg.com.au> Message-ID: In all honesty, I do think PST should be a bit more progressive in these matters> Without the sort of snobbery attitude of making their software compatible to an OS roughly 7 years after its release (E-Prime was Win98SE all the way until just before Vista was released) doesn't really work in many real-life situations. These, (I understand some people might not know this) involve very powerful IT "Support" that will decide for you what OS you use, and so on. I expect, however, that Windows 7 will only be supported once E-Prime 3 arrives (which will be after the release of Windows 8, of course). E-Prime 3 will actually be called E-Prime 3D and enable you to do experiments with PST 3D glasses on your PST-HDTV, which runs Windows ME in the background. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Quain Sent: 05 October 2010 18:35 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate oh dear. Yet another Windows 7 SNAFU. After researching eprime / Windows 7 relationship described in many posts on this forum, *Why* would anyone using eprime "upgrade" from a working OS (XP) ?? That is what is ridiculous. Go back to your old hardware, and XP, and stay there. Problem solved. At 02:51 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote: >Dana, > >Have you had any luck with windows 7 and sound out? Playing sound is >crashing my experiment which worked perfectly when I was using a >machine that ran on XP. This is ridiculous. This is an issue that is >going back 2 years as far as I can tell. > >Yours, >Aoife > >On Aug 16, 12:43 pm, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > Still no reply from PST, Lidia. yes, I will certainly let you know! > > > > Best, > > Dana > > > > On Aug 6, 6:23 am, Dana Battaglia wrote: > > > > > I purchased a new laptop which uses Windows 7 as an Operating System. > > > I called Dell and they said that I should be able to use eprime, if I > > > upgrade to Windows 7, either Professional or Ultimate editions. The > > > reason I would have to upgrade is that these two versions have an > > > option to function in "XP Mode," in which case eprime should work on > > > my new laptop. > > > > > Has anyone recently experienced this conversion? 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:38:39 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:38:39 +0100 Subject: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAFF0BC4D@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: And that should be <30 frames / second, of course. Also, for your code to work smoothly, here's a few suggestions: 1. Use buffered screen and canvas.copy right before waitforverticalblank should you be doing stuff using canvas. 2. If not, turn on Onset Sync for the object that is repeated and set its duration to something around 30 ms, but slightly less than two screen refreshes of your monitor's screen refresh rate. I.e. if your monitor is set to 70 Hz, then set the duration to something smaller than 2 x (1000 / 70) = 28.57. Say, 25 ms. Onset sync (for the looped slide or whatever) means here that each duration (if there's not too much code in between) will take 28 ms anyway. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape Sent: 06 October 2010 20:56 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms Hi, The trick here is that you have an object *before* all the moving bits and bops, which logs all the responses (duration = 0, time limit different, offset sync off, onset sync off, use maxcount if necessary) afterwards. That way, timing does not suffer from in-between code. Also, trying to display something for 1 ms is rarely a logical step. Remember that tv, dvd (yes, even HD), uses 30 frames/second - 33 ms. Best, Mich ________________________________ Van: e-prime at googlegroups.com namens ben robinson Verzonden: wo 6-10-2010 20:07 Aan: e-prime at googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: Logging RT with slide duration set at 1ms if you simply type Debug.Print Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean or MsgBox Display.RefreshDurationStats.Mean you'll soon find out just how quickly your monitor is able to refresh itself. liwenna, off the top of my head i can't be sure *why* i'd do this, but i know that i have done it. i suspect that i would do it in situations where most of my task exists in an inline, but i get lazy and like to use a built-in eprime object to handle participant responses. something like that. ben On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Brandon wrote: I am trying to to have stimuli move across the screen. So technically a slide object wouldn't be lasting for only 1ms, but it's position would be lasting for 1ms. I didn't think the screen's refresh rate would be able to handle 1ms, but movement seemed to be smoother when I tried 1ms, so I left it there. I will try adjusting the time limit parameter as Ben suggested. Thank you both for the help! :-) On Oct 6, 10:52 am, liwenna wrote: > Or maybe I misunderstood Brandon and too quickly assumed that he also > wanted the slide object to last for 1 ms... ^.^ > > Ben, just out of curiousity, in what kind of situations do you use > this set up? > > On Oct 6, 3:56 pm, ben robinson wrote: > > > maybe i misunderstand your question, but you certainly can log RT and RTTime > > information with a slide whose duration is set to 1ms (or even 0ms), so long > > as the Time Limit parameter for the slide is set to some larger value, > > since, as liwenna points out, 1ms wouldn't be long enough for the > > participant to press a button in response. > > > i often use a slide or text object to record responses when their durations > > are set to 0ms, and a time limit of infinite. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Brandon wrote: > > > I am very new to E-Prime, and I am wondering if it is possible to log > > > RT and RT Time with slide durations of 1ms. 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Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 To: E-Prime Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Hi, I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an error. Thanks Anthony McGuffie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 09:17:21 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 02:17:21 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF0412420B@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, The RB-530 is a response pad supplied by Cedrus. http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/rb_series.htm. There seem to be quite a few users on this forum who use this unit with E-Prime so a full explanation was ommitted. I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst freeing up my dongle to continue developing. It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- Prime installation CD (see User Guide). The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error. Everything matches the script in the .ebs file (Comm Port 3, Baudrate 19200,n,8,1) Cheers Tony On Oct 7, 10:26?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Is the RB-530 the PST SRBox? We're not PST over here, so a few details would be welcome: > - What is the RB-530? If it is indeed the PST SRBox, I can most definitely confirm that E-Run runs everything, including Boxes, that E-Studio runs. > - How did you manage to install E-Run BUT NOT E-Prime? Try to install the whole deal, see if that works. I believe PST offers some kind of package to run E-Prime experiments without having the full E-Prime package installed, but E-Run is just the thing that comes with E-Prime. > ?Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? > > Hi, > I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It > runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. > Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an > error. > Thanks > Anthony McGuffie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? 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From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 10:33:41 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:33:41 +0100 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Tony, Oops, I should indeed have known - I'm even using one myself! I did find the driver installation to be a pain, however, especially if you have followed the latest (renewed, last September) one: installation requires running de-installation and 3 different pieces of software. I'm not sure about the state of dongles, but isn't your dongle only required for installation, not running? Or is that a different thing with site licenses? The version I download (1.1 is the only one I've seen on CD, but I really recommend 1.2) only requires the dongle during installation. "The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error." Erm, sorry, you lost me there. If you mean 'in E-Run with E-Studio installed but not with only E-Run installed', I understand and agree this is weird - since it acts as if it is a genuine PST SRBox, it should be as available in your set-up as the SRBox. However, if you mean 'with E-Studio installed and running (from E-Studio) but not with (running it from) E-Run', then: I'd like to confirm that the RB530 can most definitely be used in just E-Run (I do); but I'm not sure whether you can run it in E-Run without having installed E-Studio. Best, Mich PS: Yes, so I skip the 'how to install' bits from this and most manuals (apart from the Cedrus , quite bad I admit, and also don't read the license agreement. Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox Sent: 08 October 2010 10:17 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? Hi Michiel, The RB-530 is a response pad supplied by Cedrus. http://www.cedrus.com/responsepads/rb_series.htm. There seem to be quite a few users on this forum who use this unit with E-Prime so a full explanation was ommitted. I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst freeing up my dongle to continue developing. It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- Prime installation CD (see User Guide). The box works ok with E-Studio installed but not with E-Run but does not make sense as the drivers install ok but when tesing with Hyperterminal producers a 'port already in use' error. Everything matches the script in the .ebs file (Comm Port 3, Baudrate 19200,n,8,1) Cheers Tony On Oct 7, 10:26?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Is the RB-530 the PST SRBox? We're not PST over here, so a few details would be welcome: > - What is the RB-530? If it is indeed the PST SRBox, I can most definitely confirm that E-Run runs everything, including Boxes, that E-Studio runs. > - How did you manage to install E-Run BUT NOT E-Prime? Try to install the whole deal, see if that works. I believe PST offers some kind of package to run E-Prime experiments without having the full E-Prime package installed, but E-Run is just the thing that comes with E-Prime. > ?Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evertox > Sent: 06 October 2010 10:11 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? > > Hi, > I am having problems running an .ebs file with an SRbox configured. It > runs ok using E-Studio v1.1. > Installing just the drivers and E-Run on a Windows XP PC produces an > error. > Thanks > Anthony McGuffie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 8 21:35:56 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:35:56 -0400 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10/8/2010 05:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: >I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst >freeing up my dongle to continue developing. > >It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- >Prime installation CD (see User Guide). Sigh. This bit of misunderstanding seems to never go away. Let me try once again to set this straight. Doing a "Subject Station" installation of EP does *not* free up a dongle to continue developing, for the simple reason that doing a full installation of EP does not *tie up* a dongle in the first place. You may do a full installation of EP on as many machines as you like within your lab. Whichever of those machines has the hardware key ("dongle") at that moment can be used as the development machine, any others work in effect as subject and data stations. Let me repeat that: E-Studio is the only application of the E-Prime suite that requires the hardware key in order to run; all the others (E-Run, E-DataAid, E-Merge, etc.) will run without the hardware key. Having E-Studio installed on a subject station does not interfere at all with its use as a subject station, to the contrary it only means that it could be pressed into service as a development station at any moment. Thus, doing a Subject Station installation provides no benefit whatsoever, and from what I see on the message boards actually introduces problems that could be avoided with a full installation. I see no reason for ever doing a Subject Station installation -- if you simply do a full installation on every machine in sight, then you can use them all as subject and data stations, with the flexibility that at any moment any of them can be pressed into service as a development station merely by plugging in the hardware key. We have use EP around here for over decade and have installed it on over a hundred machines, we have *never* done a Subject Station installation and that has never caused a problem for us. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk Mon Oct 11 13:23:12 2010 From: A.McGuffie at Coventry.ac.uk (Evertox) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:23:12 -0700 Subject: Can you use an RB-530 box with E-Run? In-Reply-To: <4caf8ec1.87b2e70a.13f3.1318SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Ever since I bought 2 E-Prime dongles in 2004, i was under the impression that E-Run was designed to be installed on multiple PC's to execute experiments in Labs etc. (A likeness to using a Visual Basic Runtime engine). This kept installation files to a minimum, reduced confusion for student lab sessions and allowed external participants without E-Prime to use the compiled .ebs files. Using this method ensured we reduced any licencing issues that may arise. An email from PST at the time ( i have just dug-out) explained the Runtime only methods available (shown below). Anthony, Access to download the E-Prime Runtime software is only available to users whom purchased a separate E-Prime Runtime license and have a valid E-Prime Runtime serial number. The cost of an E-Prime Runtime only license is $100. If you have the E-Prime v1.x CD then you can just install the run time only portion (E-Run) called the Subject Station Installation from the CD. Instructions on how to proceed are located on page 2 of the E-Prime User's Guide. Please note you must have the hardware connected to the port during installation. Once installed you no longer need to have the hardware key connected to run subjects. Sincerely, Debbie Gilkey Technical Consultant I have only recently experienced problems with the E-Run only version as the department has purchased a number of the Cedrus Response boxes and they seem to work only with the full version installed - hence the original question. I appreciate your explanation of the program functionality and look forward to correspondance in the future. Anthony McGuffie Coventry University On Oct 8, 10:35?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > At 10/8/2010 05:17 AM Friday, Evertox wrote: > > >I install E-RUN on an individual PC just to run the experiments whilst > >freeing up my dongle to continue developing. > > >It can be installed using the 'Subject Station' option from the E- > >Prime installation CD (see User Guide). > > Sigh. ?This bit of misunderstanding seems to never go away. ?Let me > try once again to set this straight. ?Doing a "Subject Station" > installation of EP does *not* free up a dongle to continue > developing, for the simple reason that doing a full installation of > EP does not *tie up* a dongle in the first place. ?You may do a full > installation of EP on as many machines as you like within your > lab. ?Whichever of those machines has the hardware key ("dongle") at > that moment can be used as the development machine, any others work > in effect as subject and data stations. ?Let me repeat > that: ?E-Studio is the only application of the E-Prime suite that > requires the hardware key in order to run; all the others (E-Run, > E-DataAid, E-Merge, etc.) will run without the hardware key. ?Having > E-Studio installed on a subject station does not interfere at all > with its use as a subject station, to the contrary it only means that > it could be pressed into service as a development station at any moment. > > Thus, doing a Subject Station installation provides no benefit > whatsoever, and from what I see on the message boards actually > introduces problems that could be avoided with a full > installation. ?I see no reason for ever doing a Subject Station > installation -- if you simply do a full installation on every machine > in sight, then you can use them all as subject and data stations, > with the flexibility that at any moment any of them can be pressed > into service as a development station merely by plugging in the hardware key. > > We have use EP around here for over decade and have installed it on > over a hundred machines, we have *never* done a Subject Station > installation and that has never caused a problem for us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF04124C65@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, PST have just replied to me with this response: Aoife, While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum for any updates. Sincerely, Cindy Carper Technical Consultant I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and above. Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and then run that using XP, details available here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-home-versions-and-vista/. I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! I'll be back with an update over the next few days, Aoife On Oct 12, 10:09?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > Best, > > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > www.cognitology.eu > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi Aoife, > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. > > Regards, > > Lidia > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. ?Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 12:42:56 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:42:56 +0100 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? Hi all, PST have just replied to me with this response: Aoife, While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum for any updates. Sincerely, Cindy Carper Technical Consultant I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and above. Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and then run that using XP, details available here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-home-versions-and-vista/. I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! I'll be back with an update over the next few days, Aoife On Oct 12, 10:09?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hiya, > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > Best, > > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychology > > www.cognitology.eu > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi Aoife, > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP. > > Regards, > > Lidia > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? 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From fifilabouche at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 14:45:11 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:45:11 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF04124DDD@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michiel, To be honest most of the response from PST is very much over my head. I'm hoping that I'll be able to get someone to explain it to me in plain old english later on this evening. Right now I just wish I had never decided to get a new laptop and stuck with the old one that worked. Life was much simpler then. I still haven't managed to get the virtual machine up and running as I am waiting on a copy of XP from my institutions IT dept but as we are in the middle of "Open Days" here no one seems quite willing to help me out on that score. I will update again once I have actually managed to achieve anything that I set out to do this week! Aoife On Oct 12, 1:42?pm, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! > > Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. > Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). > > Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? > > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin > Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 > To: E-Prime > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > Hi all, > > PST have just replied to me with this response: > > Aoife, > > While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, > internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to > experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in > comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay > for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST > Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating > systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound > experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the > SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver > on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system > to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your > sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum > for any updates. > > Sincerely, > > Cindy Carper > Technical Consultant > > I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my > personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have > Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and > above. > > Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and > then run that using XP, details available herehttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-h.... > I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a > bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and > running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD > and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! > > I'll be back with an update over the next few days, > > Aoife > > On Oct 12, 10:09?am, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > Hiya, > > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > > Best, > > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > > Research Fellow > > > Perception & Action group > > > University of Nottingham > > > School of Psychology > > >www.cognitology.eu > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > Hi Aoife, > > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. 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From fifilabouche at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 13:40:13 2010 From: fifilabouche at gmail.com (aoifemcloughlin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:40:13 -0700 Subject: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? In-Reply-To: <4c41ba98-cb0b-49ce-8337-ba9053edc1d4@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Success!!!! After installing a virtual machine and then installing Windows XP as the OS, I installed e-prime on to the virtual machine and the experiments are working fine. I don't seem to be experiencing any timing problems or anything. It may be slightly fiddly and annoying having to install all this, and it perhaps wouldn't be an answer if you would have to do this to an entire lab full of computers but for anyone who only has a couple of licenses and is experiencing issues with Windows 7 this is definitely a feasible solution! Thanks to everyone for their help! Aoife On Oct 12, 3:45?pm, aoifemcloughlin wrote: > Hi Michiel, > > To be honest most of the response from PST is very much over my head. > I'm hoping that I'll be able to get someone to explain it to me in > plain old english later on this evening. Right now I just wish I had > never decided to get a new laptop and stuck with the old one that > worked. Life was much simpler then. I still haven't managed to get the > virtual machine up and running as I am waiting on a copy of XP from my > institutions IT dept but as we are in the middle of "Open Days" here > no one seems quite willing to help me out on that score. > > I will update again once I have actually managed to achieve anything > that I set out to do this week! > > Aoife > > On Oct 12, 1:42?pm, Michiel Spape > wrote: > > > Hi, > > Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated! > > > Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers. > > Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac). > > > Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."? > > > Best, > > Mich > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin > > Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > Hi all, > > > PST have just replied to me with this response: > > > Aoife, > > > While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7, > > internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to > > experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in > > comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay > > for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST > > Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating > > systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound > > experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the > > SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider > > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver > > on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system > > to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your > > sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum > > for any updates. > > > Sincerely, > > > Cindy Carper > > Technical Consultant > > > I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my > > personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have > > Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and > > above. > > > Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and > > then run that using XP, details available herehttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-h.... > > I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a > > bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and > > running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD > > and I would really like to graduate at some point!!! > > > I'll be back with an update over the next few days, > > > Aoife > > > On Oct 12, 10:09?am, Michiel Spape > > wrote: > > > Hiya, > > > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes... > > > > Best, > > > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spap? > > > > Research Fellow > > > > Perception & Action group > > > > University of Nottingham > > > > School of Psychology > > > >www.cognitology.eu > > > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez > > > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33 > > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update?? > > > > Hi Aoife, > > > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. 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From Jedema at pitt.edu Fri Oct 15 17:40:55 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:40:55 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff Message-ID: Hi All, I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a solution ? Thanks very much, Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Fri Oct 15 18:01:29 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hank, How about PST Web Support at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >solution ? > >Thanks very much, > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From benhisattva at googlemail.com Mon Oct 18 11:13:43 2010 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 04:13:43 -0700 Subject: Joystick movement Message-ID: Hi, We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg Thanks in advance. Cheers, Ben --- Dim nInitY As Integer Dim nCurrentY As Integer Dim nDiff As Integer nInitY = Joystick.CursorY Do nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime If nDiff > 0 Then Stimulus.RESP = "Up" Else Stimulus.RESP = "Down" End If -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From baltimore.ben at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 14:19:18 2010 From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:19:18 -0400 Subject: Joystick movement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: cool joystick! when do you want to advance past the slide? after any joystick movement? could you just add a line to "Run" the next object in your procedure once joystick movement is detected and you've logged things like .RTTime and .RT, etc.? ben On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi, > > We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any > button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it > doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as > the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the > allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not > press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is > completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the > joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Ben > > --- > > Dim nInitY As Integer > Dim nCurrentY As Integer > Dim nDiff As Integer > nInitY = Joystick.CursorY > Do > nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY > nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY > Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 > Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read > Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime > If nDiff > 0 Then > Stimulus.RESP = "Up" > Else > Stimulus.RESP = "Down" > End If > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. 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URL: From loumater at googlemail.com Tue Oct 19 18:08:47 2010 From: loumater at googlemail.com (Louise Bennett) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:08:47 -0700 Subject: Experiment Message-ID: Hi i was wondering if you could tell me if its possible to create this experiment on e-prime basically i want to present a fixation, then a target (prime), a distractor and then a second stimulus, this stimulus would consist of a list of 5 words vertically and I want participants to respond as to whethe the target (prime) is present or absent, i am unsure how to present the list of 5 words, and also i would want the target and the list of words to be different every single time, with forty single words + forty different lists of 5 words for the total number of trials, I was wondering if this was possible to do and if so any suggestions to how i could do this and how difficult it would be? thanks very much -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Tue Oct 19 19:32:42 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:32:42 -0400 Subject: Experiment In-Reply-To: <7000cdcc-ab17-4b3e-8b1d-32b16aa25424@a36g2000yqc.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... At 10/19/2010 02:08 PM Tuesday, Louise Bennett wrote: >Hi i was wondering if you could tell me if its possible to create this >experiment on e-prime > >basically i want to present a fixation, then a target (prime), a >distractor and then a second stimulus, this stimulus would consist of >a list of 5 words vertically and I want participants to respond as to >whethe the target (prime) is present or absent, i am unsure how to >present the list of 5 words, and also i would want the target and the >list of words to be different every single time, with forty single >words + forty different lists of 5 words for the total number of >trials, I was wondering if this was possible to do Yes. > ... and how difficult it would be? Fairly intricate to do, almost certainly involving nested Lists. Might also require some inline code to manage all the contingencies in your design, though perhaps with clever use of nested Lists one could avoid that. > ... and if so any suggestions to how i could do this Start by working through *all* the tutorials in *all* the Guides that came with E-Prime. Pay special attention to the tutorial on nested Lists, and possibly chapter 4, "Using E-Basic", of the User's Guide. And take a class on Introduction to Computer Programming. Don't expect to get this done within the next few weeks, unless you hire it out to a competent professional. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From benhisattva at googlemail.com Wed Oct 20 10:19:55 2010 From: benhisattva at googlemail.com (Ben) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:19:55 -0700 Subject: Joystick movement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The joystick is pretty cool, the best thing about it is that came with 99 C64 games. I solved the problem and for those who might run in similar problems here is the solution: The script follows the picture display and as I set the duration picture display to it never terminates and thus the script is never executed. Very, very simple problem, but it took me a long time to find it... Cheers, Ben On 18 Okt., 16:19, ben robinson wrote: > cool joystick! > when do you want to advance past the slide? ?after any joystick movement? > ?could you just add a line to "Run" the next object in your procedure once > joystick movement is detected and you've logged things like .RTTime and .RT, > etc.? > > ben > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Ben wrote: > > Hi, > > > We are trying to record the movement of the joystick without any > > button press. I found a script (see below) on this website, but it > > doesn't work properly. E-Prime does notice that you move the stick as > > the cursor moves with it (even if the stick itself is not part of the > > allowable keys), but it does not go to the next slide if you do not > > press a button and then move the stick. Has anybody an idea, this is > > completely counterintuitive to me..? Perhaps the problem is the > > joystick itself, which is pretty nostalgic: > >http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rBHoEr0-L.jpg > > Thanks in advance. > > > Cheers, > > > Ben > > > --- > > > Dim nInitY As Integer > > Dim nCurrentY As Integer > > Dim nDiff As Integer > > nInitY = Joystick.CursorY > > Do > > ? nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY > > ? nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY > > Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50 > > Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read > > Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime > > If nDiff > 0 Then > > ? Stimulus.RESP = "Up" > > Else > > ? Stimulus.RESP = "Down" > > End If > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "E-Prime" group. > > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 20 14:04:46 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:04:46 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <4cb89700.1fb9e70a.5688.ffffa457SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? Thanks for your help, Hank On Oct 15, 2:01?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Hank, > > How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > are more like 10 days)? ?And perchance you do get an answer from PST > Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > > > > >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >solution ? > > >Thanks very much, > > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:12:57 2010 From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:12:57 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hank, *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page, http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp (requires support login). But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. -dv On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > Thanks for your help, > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: >> Hank, >> >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates >> are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. >> >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >>> solution ? >> >>> Thanks very much, >> >>> Hank > -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:14:21 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:14:21 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, Have you tried reinstalling an older version (like 2.07x)? I can imagine, if you can't find any of those online anymore, people here might have one... Not sure whether you meant this bug was introduced somewhere along the 2.0 pipeline, or whether you upgraded from 1.2 to 2.0. PS: I think that's a great idea about such a place and would even say we should have an unofficial list/thread for "known bugs". I know there's quite a number of them, but you can't really expect PST to publish this :) Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hank Jedema Sent: 20 October 2010 15:05 To: E-Prime Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? Thanks for your help, Hank On Oct 15, 2:01?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Hank, > > How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > are more like 10 days)? ?And perchance you do get an answer from PST > Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > > > > >I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >solution ? > > >Thanks very much, > > >Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:16:40 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:16:40 +0100 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <4CBEF8E9.9090905@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oops, you beat me to it by showing evidence to the contrary to what I've said! Although, yes, I do also believe any such list will be incomplete - and, apart from that, not as publicly available (for instance, students would find difficulty in reaching it, also potential customers who only later find out there's a problem known, but unsolved). Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson Sent: 20 October 2010 15:13 To: e-prime at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff Hank, *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page, http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp (requires support login). But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. -dv On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > Thanks for your help, > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane wrote: >> Hank, >> >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates >> are more like 10 days)? And perchance you do get an answer from PST >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. >> >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a >>> solution ? >> >>> Thanks very much, >> >>> Hank > -- David Vinson, Ph.D. Senior Postdoctoral Researcher Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department University College London 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 (UCL internal ext. 25311) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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From jess.s.nixon at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:11:56 2010 From: jess.s.nixon at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?0bDV0taqyrY=?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:11:56 -0700 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay Message-ID: Hi all, I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word interference paradigm). I saw a similar query here: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a24da0dfa/5f8769c586733592?lnk=gst&q=superimpose#5f8769c586733592 but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). My first attempt is like this: I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the picture. If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component Displays. The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any suggestions, they'd be very welcome! Thanks, Jessie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 21 21:58:48 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay In-Reply-To: <27e33d84-8522-4606-a902-8dec0851024a@j5g2000vbg.googlegrou ps.com> Message-ID: Jessie, >I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word >superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word >interference paradigm). > >I saw a similar query here: >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a24da0dfa/5f8769c586733592?lnk=gst&q=superimpose#5f8769c586733592 >but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than >superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, >but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). To the contrary, that post exactly answers your question, i.e., the stimuli are *both* sequential *and* superimposed, which is exactly what you have asked for. Read it carefully again. In particular, imagine what a TextDisplay BackStyle of Transparent might do. >My first attempt is like this: >I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for >the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the >End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it >still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image >Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the >picture. > >If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no >options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component >Displays. > >The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, >followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But >this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. Actually, this would be a very ordinary way to do this in EP, and even though I know how to do overlays, for a simple 1-2 overlay as you describe I would probably do it with an image followed by a Slide that contains the image plus the text. Note that even in this case you might want to attend to the BackStyle property of the SlideText object, plus its other Frame properties. As for the RT, as also mentioned in the original post, simply use Extended Input with the initial stimulus, and do not have the Slide that follows the initial stimulus collect any response. >I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any >suggestions, they'd be very welcome! > >Thanks, >Jessie -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jess.s.nixon at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 08:32:00 2010 From: jess.s.nixon at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?0bDV0taqyrY=?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:32:00 -0700 Subject: Superimposing prime/distractor after a delay In-Reply-To: <4cc0b7ed.1fb9e70a.6f75.ffffb32aSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Great. Thanks for your advice, David. On Oct 21, 11:58?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Jessie, > > >I want to present a target picture (for 57ms) followed by a word > >superimposed over the picture. (The 'positive SOA' in the picture-word > >interference paradigm). > > >I saw a similar query here: > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/1a8ceb9a2... > >but it looks like in that case the displays are sequential rather than > >superimposed. (I have no problem superimposing stimuli simultaneously, > >but I cannot find the settings for inserting a delay). > > To the contrary, that post exactly answers your question, i.e., the > stimuli are *both* sequential *and* superimposed, which is exactly > what you have asked for. ?Read it carefully again. ?In particular, > imagine what a TextDisplay BackStyle of Transparent might do. > > >My first attempt is like this: > >I have an Image Display for the target, followed by a Text Display for > >the 'distractor' word. I set the Image Display Duration to 57ms, the > >End Action to None, and Clear After to No. With these settings, it > >still 'clears after' - i.e. when the Text Display appears, the Image > >Display disappears. I want the text to appear over the top of the > >picture. > > >If the Displays are presented within one slide, then there are no > >options for Duration, etc. for each of the separate component > >Displays. > > >The only way I can think of is to present the Image Display for 57ms, > >followed a Slide which presents the two stimuli simultaneously. But > >this seems very clumsy and the RT will start recording 57ms late. > > Actually, this would be a very ordinary way to do this in EP, and > even though I know how to do overlays, for a simple 1-2 overlay as > you describe I would probably do it with an image followed by a Slide > that contains the image plus the text. ?Note that even in this case > you might want to attend to the BackStyle property of the SlideText > object, plus its other Frame properties. ?As for the RT, as also > mentioned in the original post, simply use Extended Input with the > initial stimulus, and do not have the Slide that follows the initial > stimulus collect any response. > > >I'm sure there is something very simple I'm missing. If anyone has any > >suggestions, they'd be very welcome! > > >Thanks, > >Jessie > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From sarah.rose.cavanagh at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 00:41:38 2010 From: sarah.rose.cavanagh at gmail.com (aviendra) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:41:38 -0700 Subject: Multiple monitor fail when using nested lists Message-ID: Hello, I am using E-Prime 2.0 Pro on an XP machine with multiple monitors. My script works just fine (retrieves images from the correct folder using nested lists) when I have it running on a single monitor. When I add the second display, it suddenly errors out with a "cannot load image file" message. Strangely, it is quite happy to display simple objects such as text slides on the second display, so it isn't that there is something wrong with the hardware or the setup of the display within E- Prime. Has anyone else had a similar problem or have any other insight into this? I've tried searching around this group and the PST forums and have run into people having other problems with multiple monitors, but not this one. I've tried lots of things like changing settings within the display settings; switching down to a low resolution; making sure that the two monitors have a similar resolution; etc. just thought I'd try! thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From jasoncraggs at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 13:10:08 2010 From: jasoncraggs at gmail.com (Jason Craggs) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:10:08 -0400 Subject: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support In-Reply-To: <4ca0e521.194de70a.3ced.18d4SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Greetings all, Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone have any webspace they could share/donate to the cause? Jason On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:40 PM, David McFarlane wrote: > David, > > Thanks for the notice, I had no idea. And just when, with Brian > MacWhinney's help, I was getting ready to post some of my demo programs on > the Group, darn. But we may work out another possibility, so stay tuned. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > I just got word that Google is about to discontinue some Google groups >> features which are relevant to this group: >> As of November 2010 no new files can be uploaded, no new pages can be >> created. As of February 2011 all existing files and pages will be >> removed. >> Source: >> http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html?hl=en >> >> Just thought I'd let you know... >> -David >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Mon Oct 25 18:45:53 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:45:53 -0400 Subject: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jason, As a matter of fact, both PST and STEP already provide example EP files for download at their web sites, and all of the example files on the EP Google Groups Files page were copied from there (the remaining files on the Group site were uploaded by people looking for help, and should never have been stored there). In addition, STEP may provide space for people who (like me) wish to provide additional example programs. Finally, as noted in the thread at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/7ee0b7abb3a488b2/b3e6c04582342921 , Nick Fraenkel at the University of London wishes to post a growing collection of "E-Prime Tricks" on his site at http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/category/e-prime/ , perhaps he would also like to host some shared files there. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Greetings all, > >Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone >have any webspace they could share/donate to the cause? > >Jason > > > >On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:40 PM, David McFarlane ><mcfarla9 at msu.edu> wrote: >David, > >Thanks for the notice, I had no idea. And just when, with Brian >MacWhinney's help, I was getting ready to post some of my demo >programs on the Group, darn. But we may work out another >possibility, so stay tuned. > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > >I just got word that Google is about to discontinue some Google groups >features which are relevant to this group: >As of November 2010 no new files can be uploaded, no new pages can be >created. As of February 2011 all existing files and pages will be >removed. >Source: >http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html?hl=en > >Just thought I'd let you know... >-David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From macw at cmu.edu Tue Oct 26 20:47:19 2010 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:47:19 -0400 Subject: Digest for e-prime@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <001636d34a2e381c140493825ef9@google.com> Message-ID: Dear Jason and David, Yes, David is totally right. All of these materials can be found at http://step.psy.cmu.edu/scripts-techniques/ Moreover, if people have additional script examples they wish to contribute, I am happy to put them into this same collection. No charge for the space. It is a shame that Google has to step back from supporting user files, but I think I can understand the issue. I remember how we got spammed by some pretty outrageous porn in the Files area, when I was still allowing enrollment without approval. Regarding Nick Fraenkel's "Tricks" web pages, that URL doesn't quite work, but this one does http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/ Perhaps we could have a page at step.psy.cmu.edu pointing to personal pages of this type, if people plan to keep and maintain them. Best wishes, -- Brian MacWhinney (E-Prime list and STEP website maintainer, and Professor of Psychology, CMU) On Oct 26, 2010, at 6:14 AM, e-prime+noreply at googlegroups.com wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/topics > > Google groups to discontinue files and pages support [2 Updates] > Topic: Google groups to discontinue files and pages support > Jason Craggs Oct 25 09:10AM -0400 ^ > > Greetings all, > > Could these be shared via google documents? If not, does someone have any > webspace they could share/donate to the cause? > > Jason > > > > > David McFarlane Oct 25 02:45PM -0400 ^ > > Jason, > > As a matter of fact, both PST and STEP already provide example EP > files for download at their web sites, and all of the example files > on the EP Google Groups Files page were copied from there (the > remaining files on the Group site were uploaded by people looking for > help, and should never have been stored there). In addition, STEP > may provide space for people who (like me) wish to provide additional > example programs. > > Finally, as noted in the thread at > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/7ee0b7abb3a488b2/b3e6c04582342921 > , Nick Fraenkel at the University of London wishes to post a growing > collection of "E-Prime Tricks" on his site at > http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/attentionlab/category/e-prime/ , > perhaps he would also like to host some shared files there. > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jedema at pitt.edu Wed Oct 27 12:43:01 2010 From: Jedema at pitt.edu (Hank Jedema) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 05:43:01 -0700 Subject: Update results in sound cutoff In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF042AB683@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks to all for your feedback and comments. Just to clarify, I upgraded from v 2.08.22 to 2.08.79, so I was not expecting any major issues. PST contacted me last Friday to inform me that the preliminary fix is not complete yet. To their credit, they did mention their list of known bugs on PST website although I was unable to find the "not looping" bug on said list. Hank On Oct 20, 10:16?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Oops, you beat me to it by showing evidence to the contrary to what I've said! Although, yes, I do also believe any such list will be incomplete - and, apart from that, not as publicly available (for instance, students would find difficulty in reaching it, also potential customers who only later find out there's a problem known, but unsolved). > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Vinson > Sent: 20 October 2010 15:13 > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Update results in sound cutoff > > Hank, > > *Some* known bugs are listed at the bottom of the "Knowledge Base" page,http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?(requires support login). > But I have a strong feeling this list is not complete. > > -dv > > On 20/10/2010 15:04, Hank Jedema wrote: > > Thanks David. I did receive an email from E-Prime yesterday and they > > indicated they are aware of a problem with looping sound in v2.08.79. > > They are working on a solution and expect to be able to provide me > > with a pre-release version by the end of the week. Keeping my fingers > > crossed. Is there a place where known bugs are listed ? > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Hank > > > On Oct 15, 2:01 pm, David McFarlane ?wrote: > >> Hank, > > >> How about PST Web Support athttp://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp, they strive > >> to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates > >> are more like 10 days)? ?And perchance you do get an answer from PST > >> Web Support, please post their reply back here for the the rest of us. > > >> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>> I updated our systems to E-prime 2.0 prof v 2.08.79 and it messed up > >>> the white noise sound in all my programs. It is set to looping and a > >>> 5000msec buffer, but it seems to cut out after the first loop (5sec). > >>> Does anybody have any suggestions where to start looking for a > >>> solution ? > > >>> Thanks very much, > > >>> Hank > > -- > David Vinson, Ph.D. > Senior Postdoctoral Researcher > Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department > University College London > 26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP > Tel +44 (0)20 7679 5311 ?(UCL internal ext. 25311) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. ?Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From tobias.fw at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 15:23:33 2010 From: tobias.fw at gmail.com (Tobias) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:23:33 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration Message-ID: Hi together, I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the system is running stable for at least a year without problems. Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic update? Did any of you ancounter similar problems? Thanks, Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:05:42 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:05:42 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response Message-ID: Hello, I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I?m having an issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e8c69d6e/270bd8208b9e1d81?lnk=gst&q=wait+to+collect+response+#270bd8208b9e1d81 The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time from the RT of the object which works fine. I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has made a response thus moving them to the next trial. The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the objects end action to ?none? doesn?t help because if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event under study. My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:24:36 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:24:36 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've actually had problems with one the of University's dongles in the past. After switching it out I no longer had the problem. If you have the option I would give that a shot. On Oct 27, 10:23?am, Tobias wrote: > Hi together, > > I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- > Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the > system is running stable for at least a year without problems. > Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed > anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic > update? Did any of you ancounter similar problems? > > Thanks, > Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From uomotorcontrol at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:36:56 2010 From: uomotorcontrol at gmail.com (UO Motor Control) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:36:56 -0700 Subject: e-pime registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also, I've encountered a similar problem while using E-Prime 2 in an EGI NetStation setup. The E-Prime computer isn't allowed to connect to the internet (as per EGI's specs). 6 months in, I'd unplugged the dongle to plug in a flash disk (not enough USB ports) and started a script while forgetting to re-insert the dongle. The result was that E-Prime flipped out in the way Tobias described, requiring me to re-enter all the required serial numbers, etc. -Wayne Manselle Motor Control Lab On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Matt Paffel wrote: > I've actually had problems with one the of University's dongles in the > past. After switching it out I no longer had the problem. > > If you have the option I would give that a shot. > > On Oct 27, 10:23 am, Tobias wrote: > > Hi together, > > > > I was about to program sth in E-Prime, started a Script File while E- > > Studio was open and suddenly I'm asked for registration. Although the > > system is running stable for at least a year without problems. > > Although the E-Prime 2 dongle is inserted and I have not changed > > anything in the system. Is there maybe some problem with the automatic > > update? 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URL: From Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 08:41:08 2010 From: Michiel.Spape at nottingham.ac.uk (Michiel Spape) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:41:08 +0100 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <92cf7e60-cd2c-41ba-8f80-9cdaea650c2a@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi, If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I think the simplest way to do this would be to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. i.e.: 0 ms: Sound starts playing (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) [no response capturing] 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. end If So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way to "hold off on collecting a response" would, essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. Best, Mich Michiel Spap? Research Fellow Perception & Action group University of Nottingham School of Psychology www.cognitology.eu -----Original Message----- From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 To: E-Prime Subject: wait to collect response Hello, I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e8c69d6e/270bd8208b9e1d81?lnk=gst&q=wait+to+collect+response+#270bd8208b9e1d81 The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time from the RT of the object which works fine. I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has made a response thus moving them to the next trial. The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event under study. My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From lapate at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 13:55:37 2010 From: lapate at gmail.com (Regina L) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:55:37 -0700 Subject: random assignment of stimulus to condition while keeping the assignment fixed throughout the experiment? Message-ID: Dear e-prime experts, I'm having a seemingly simple issue where your thoughts would be much appreciated: I have a set of stimuli (eg, snakes), half of which I want to randomly assign to condition A, and the other half to condition B (for a given participant; condition here refers to presentation type). If I were presenting each stimulus only once, this would be easy to accomplish (e.g., by simply nesting a list of all the snake stimuli - where selection is random without replacement- in both a list of condition A and in a list of condition B). However, I'd like to present each stimulus twice to a given participant-- so, if e.g., "snake1.bmp" got assigned to the condition A, I would like to present it one more time during the experiment, again in condition A. I am having trouble figuring out how to accommodate these needs in an eprime list format. In other words, I would like to be able to generate the random assignment of stimulus to condition, and to use this assignment information more than once during the experiment (i.e., twice). Thank you very much in advance for your thoughts! Regina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 16:33:55 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:33:55 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <0CA8E1B4EC20D743912B980E486C5CAF042AC27D@VUIEXCHC.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different objects. First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the 4800 mark. It seems to work out pretty slick. Thanks again, Matt On Oct 28, 3:41?am, Michiel Spape wrote: > Hi, > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I think the simplest way to do this would be to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > i.e.: > 0 ms: Sound starts playing (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > [no response capturing] > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then > ? ? ? ? SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound > ? ? ? ? c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > end If > > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way to "hold off on collecting a response" would, essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > Best, > Mich > > Michiel Spap? > Research Fellow > Perception & Action group > University of Nottingham > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > To: E-Prime > Subject: wait to collect response > > Hello, > > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > objects ?end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > under study. > > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. ?Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 18:55:35 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:55:35 -0400 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, you want the program to ignore those and accept only their first response past the 4800 ms mark? E.g., it's OK if the subject responds once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four times) and then responds once more after the 4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? I had misread your earlier post and thought that you meant to collect one response only any time during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that the sound played through at least 4800 ms and thereafter terminated upon any response (including any response detected earlier), and was prepared to write up solutions for that situation (all involving some degree of inline code). But if you really mean to ignore premature responses, then, for the record, you don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor the intervening Wait object. You could accomplish the same end simply with something like StimSound RespWait where StimSound presents the sound with Duration of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus to stimulus, set using an an attribute reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is a Wait object with Duration and input mask set as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. > >I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different >objects. >First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 >Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. >After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. >Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the >4800 mark. >It seems to work out pretty slick. > >Thanks again, > >Matt > > >On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape >wrote: > > Hi, > > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, I > think the simplest way to do this would be to > disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > > i.e.: > > 0 ms: Sound starts playing > (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound > (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > > [no response capturing] > > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an > invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then > > SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound > > c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime > - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > > end If > > > > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way > to "hold off on collecting a response" would, > essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > > Best, > > Mich > > > > Michiel Spap? > > Research Fellow > > Perception & Action group > > University of Nottingham > > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > > To: E-Prime > > Subject: wait to collect response > > > > Hello, > > > > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > > > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > > > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > > > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > > objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > > under study. > > > > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > > for an allotted amount of time to an object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 19:01:14 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:01:14 -0400 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <4cc9c74e.1fb9e70a.51b3.42ccSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Matt, Oh, and I don't see how any of these solutions terminate the sound playback for a response past the 4800 ms (as specified in the opeining post), other than having the playback of the next sound terminate the playback of the previous sound. But perhaps I am just missing something. How did you get that to work? -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder David McFarlane wrote: >Matt, > >Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and >submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, >you want the program to ignore those and accept >only their first response past the 4800 ms >mark? E.g., it's OK if the subject responds >once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four >times) and then responds once more after the >4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? > >I had misread your earlier post and thought that >you meant to collect one response only any time >during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time >during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that >the sound played through at least 4800 ms and >thereafter terminated upon any response >(including any response detected earlier), and >was prepared to write up solutions for that >situation (all involving some degree of inline >code). But if you really mean to ignore >premature responses, then, for the record, you >don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor >the intervening Wait object. You could >accomplish the same end simply with something like > >StimSound >RespWait > >where StimSound presents the sound with Duration >of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus >to stimulus, set using an an attribute >reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is >a Wait object with Duration and input mask set >as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. >> >>I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different >>objects. >>First, I have a TextDisplay, duration = 0 >>Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. >>After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. >>Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the >>4800 mark. >>It seems to work out pretty slick. >> >>Thanks again, >> >>Matt >> >> >>On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape >>wrote: >> > Hi, >> > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, >> I think the simplest way to do this would be >> to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. >> > i.e.: >> > 0 ms: Sound starts playing >> (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound >> (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) >> > [no response capturing] >> > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an >> invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate >> > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: >> > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then >> > SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound >> > c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime >> - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. >> > end If >> > >> > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way >> to "hold off on collecting a response" would, >> essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. >> > Best, >> > Mich >> > >> > Michiel Spap? >> > Research Fellow >> > Perception & Action group >> > University of Nottingham >> > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com >> [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel >> > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 >> > To: E-Prime >> > Subject: wait to collect response >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an >> > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: >> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... >> > >> > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately >> > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to >> > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time >> > from the RT of the object which works fine. >> > >> > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has >> > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. >> > >> > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to >> > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the >> > objects end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant >> > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event >> > under study. >> > >> > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response >> > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > >-- >You received this message because you are >subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mcfarla9 at msu.edu Thu Oct 28 19:09:25 2010 From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:09:25 -0400 Subject: random assignment of stimulus to condition while keeping the assignment fixed throughout the experiment? In-Reply-To: <13f7382f-080e-4312-bad0-75a32b060b0a@f33g2000yqh.googlegro ups.com> Message-ID: Regina, Stock reminder: 1) I do not work for PST. 2) PST's trained staff takes any and all questions at http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours (although current estimates are more like 10 days) -- this is pretty much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of it. 3) If you do get an answer from PST Web Support, please extend the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. That said, here is my take... Offhand, this sounds like the same issue faced in Study/Recall designs, and PST helpfully provides an example that you may download from the Samples area of their web site (though I don't know how good it is -- the PST examples have the virtue that they usually do provide bona fide working models, but PST programmers are generally sloppy and provide poor models to follow). In short, you almost certainly have to use inline code to construct a List (or better yet, nested List) during the first phase for use in later phases of the run. -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder >Dear e-prime experts, > >I'm having a seemingly simple issue where your thoughts would be much >appreciated: > >I have a set of stimuli (eg, snakes), half of which I want to randomly >assign to condition A, and the other half to condition B (for a given >participant; condition here refers to presentation type). >If I were presenting each stimulus only once, this would be easy to >accomplish (e.g., by simply nesting a list of all the snake stimuli - >where selection is random without replacement- in both a list of >condition A and in a list of condition B). > >However, I'd like to present each stimulus twice to a given >participant-- so, if e.g., "snake1.bmp" got assigned to the condition >A, I would like to present it one more time during the experiment, >again in condition A. > >I am having trouble figuring out how to accommodate these needs in an >eprime list format. In other words, I would like to be able to >generate the random assignment of stimulus to condition, and to use >this assignment information more than once during the experiment >(i.e., twice). > >Thank you very much in advance for your thoughts! > >Regina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en. From mpaffel at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 18:31:36 2010 From: mpaffel at gmail.com (Matt Paffel) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:31:36 -0700 Subject: wait to collect response In-Reply-To: <4cc9c892.87b2e70a.2349.42d8SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response David and you are absolutely correct, this setup does not have the sound terminate. The original files contained a few milliseconds of negative space after the sustain modifier drops off. Simply editing the sound files to remove this space remedied the need for the sound to terminate as the effect quickly drops to 0 after the chord has played which in turn makes it relatively inaudible through the fixation period between trials. On Oct 28, 2:01?pm, David McFarlane wrote: > Matt, > > Oh, and I don't see how any of these solutions > terminate the sound playback for a response past > the 4800 ms (as specified in the opeining post), > other than having the playback of the next sound > terminate the playback of the previous > sound. ?But perhaps I am just missing something. ?How did you get that to work? > > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > > > David McFarlane wrote: > >Matt, > > >Hmm, so if the subject is "trigger-happy" and > >submits any responses before the 4800 ms mark, > >you want the program to ignore those and accept > >only their first response past the 4800 ms > >mark? ?E.g., it's OK if the subject responds > >once a second over the first 4800 ms (i.e., four > >times) and then responds once more after the > >4800 ms mark, and the program accepts only the fifth response? > > >I had misread your earlier post and thought that > >you meant to collect one response only any time > >during the playback of the sound (e.g., any time > >during the full 5500 ms), while making sure that > >the sound played through at least 4800 ms and > >thereafter terminated upon any response > >(including any response detected earlier), and > >was prepared to write up solutions for that > >situation (all involving some degree of inline > >code). ?But if you really mean to ignore > >premature responses, then, for the record, you > >don't really need the initial TextDisplay nor > >the intervening Wait object. ?You could > >accomplish the same end simply with something like > > >StimSound > >RespWait > > >where StimSound presents the sound with Duration > >of, e.g., 4800 (or, if this varies from stimulus > >to stimulus, set using an an attribute > >reference) and Stop After = No, and RespWait is > >a Wait object with Duration and input mask set > >as needed to collect the response made after the 4800 ms mark. > > >-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder > > >>Hey Mich, Thanks for the input. > > >>I was actually able to remedy this by using a couple of different > >>objects. > >>First, I have a TextDisplay, duration ?= 0 > >>Then, the SoundOut object, duration = 0 and stop after is set to no. > >>After that I have a wait object duration set to 4800ms. > >>Lastly, I have another TextDisplay to collect the response made at the > >>4800 mark. > >>It seems to work out pretty slick. > > >>Thanks again, > > >>Matt > > >>On Oct 28, 3:41 am, Michiel Spape > >>wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > If I'm understanding all of this correctly, > >> I think the simplest way to do this would be > >> to disconnect the audio stimulus and the event at 4800. > >> > i.e.: > >> > 0 ms: Sound starts playing > >> (SoundBuffer.Play). Also, log onset of sound > >> (e.g. c.SetAttrib "SoundOnsetTime", Clock.read) > >> > [no response capturing] > >> > 4800 ms: some kind of marker (say, an > >> invisible TextDisplay1) end action to terminate > >> > Between 4800 and 5500 ms: at termination of TextDisplay1: > >> > If TextDisplay1.RESP <> "" then > >> > ? ? ? ? SoundBuffer.Stop 'kills sound > >> > ? ? ? ? c.SetAttrib "RT", TextDisplay.RTTime > >> - c.GetAttrib("SoundOnsetTime") 'saves RT based on soundbuffer onset time. > >> > end If > > >> > So, in essence, I'd say that the easiest way > >> to "hold off on collecting a response" would, > >> essentially, be NOT to collect a response before the time. > >> > Best, > >> > Mich > > >> > Michiel Spap? > >> > Research Fellow > >> > Perception & Action group > >> > University of Nottingham > >> > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com > >> [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Paffel > >> > Sent: 27 October 2010 17:06 > >> > To: E-Prime > >> > Subject: wait to collect response > > >> > Hello, > > >> > I have an experiment that runs some audio files and I'm having an > >> > issue somewhat similar to what was discussed in this post: > > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/9d6274c8e... > > >> > The experiment that I have runs audio files that are approximately > >> > 5500ms in length and the event that a participant needs to respond to > >> > occurs at 4800ms. I wrote some script to adjust the real reaction time > >> > from the RT of the object which works fine. > > >> > I also have the audio object set to terminate after a participant has > >> > made a response thus moving them to the next trial. > > >> > The issue with the program is that if a participant responds prior to > >> > the 4800 mark, the program jumps to the next trial. Turning the > >> > objects ?end action to "none" doesn't help because if a participant > >> > responds prior to the 4800 mark, the RT collected is not for the event > >> > under study. > > >> > My question is, is there a way to hold off on collecting a response > >> > for an allotted amount of time to an object? > > >-- > >You received this message because you are > >subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. > >To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E-Prime" group. To post to this group, send email to e-prime at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to e-prime+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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