From turquoised13 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 20:49:45 2012
From: turquoised13 at gmail.com (Margot Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:49:45 -0700
Subject: E-Prime srbox will not open on two Dell computers
In-Reply-To: <b2242b38-3378-4f87-ad82-a133acb412ed@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.JUN.2012.134945.0700.>


On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:08:57 PM UTC-5, Arron Metcalfe wrote:
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. No luck. I am currently going through a
> process of figuring this out with PST tech support. I'll post an
> update on the resolution.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Arron Metcalfe
> Post Doc
>
 
hello Arron,
I am having the same problem with an older EPrime SRBox (4 keys only) and a 
Dell Optiplex 760.  The box is recognized, but not opened; error 10051 
shows repeatedly.  The box itself seems to be fine.  Did you ever find a 
resolution with PST tech support?
thank you
Margot Stothers
PhD Candidate 

>   
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 15:12:41 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:12:41 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
Message-ID: <MON.4.JUN.2012.081241.0700.>

Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the
third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Tue Jun  5 06:41:44 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:41:44 +0300
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <a6da1ec8-19ed-4c08-b5ec-7791e23f97ad@e18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
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Hi,
Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
combinations. No inline code necessary.
1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
list to randomize. 
2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
"Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
(one column for each attribute):
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
... that's it, works.
You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.

So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
it's actually quite elegant.
Best,
Michiel

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Of Darina
Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
To: E-Prime
Subject: Semi random song play

Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
forth song to be different. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From dwivedilab at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 13:24:50 2012
From: dwivedilab at gmail.com (KC)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:24:50 -0700
Subject: Negative RT Data in E-Prime 1.2
In-Reply-To: <00d801cd3f08$5b6b7670$12426350$@eu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.062450.0700.>

Thank you for your help Michiel. Our data system involves automatized
data filtration such that outliers are highlighted and those
highlighted values must be manually changed to either the upper or
lower cap (i.e.: average +/- 2*standard error). I was able to contact
the student who created these files and learned that, to correct the
outliers, she had simply "input whichever cap removed the highlighting
from the cell." So, the negative RTs were the result of an error in
data cleaning and not our programming in E-Prime. Thank you for your
advice, it really added to my understanding of E-Prime and will be
very helpful in the case that I come across negative RTs again.

Thanks,

KC

On May 31, 4:35 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi KC and list,
> I am not aware of a known bug in E-Prime, especially mighty stable 1.2, that
> could cause this. A general, "internal error" seems unlikely to answer the
> question, so the way to go about it would be to A) replicate the error, and
> B) find out what is responsible for the observation - what part of the bug.
> In general then, the task would be to find out how the observed variable is
> related to actual performance, and either shift them or, as you say, filter
> them.
> Scenario one: there's something going on due to incorrect usage of preload.
> Scenario two: there's incorrect calculation of your reading time. For
> instance:
> An instruction screen is shown, the "reading screen" is shown, which has
> 60000 ms maximum, but a response terminates screen ("after you're done
> reading, press space bar"). Reading time is calculated as "ReadingTime =
> ReadingScreen.RTTime - InstructionScreen.OffsetTime". Now, that would
> normally work, but imagine a person is a very slow reader (a minute passes):
> RTTime is never changed to 0, ergo, 0-8062316=-8062316.
>
> Anyway, my point really is, add some debugging (debug.print) to find out the
> exact relationship between your variable coding and what is going on. Then,
> make a decision if you can really be sure you can just filter negative
> times.
> Cheers,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of KC
> Sent: 30 May 2012 16:43
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Negative RT Data in E-Prime 1.2
>
> I feel I should preface this message by saying that I am not an E- Prime
> expert. I've recently begun working on some data generated in an experiment
> run using E-Prime 1.2. The data was part of an experiment run by another
> student who has since left our lab. I'm cleaning (filtering outliers) the
> raw Reading Time data right now and I'm seeing a lot of negative values. Why
> is this? Some forums have suggested that it is an internal error of the
> program and that the solution is to update to a more recent version of
> E-Prime, however, I cannot re-run the experiment. In terms of analysis, how
> are these values normally dealt with? Any ideas?
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:22:10 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:22:10 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <003301cd42e6$4656fe30$d304fa90$@eu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.112210.0700.>

That works, thank you very much!

On Jun 5, 2:41 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
> Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
> nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
> combinations. No inline code necessary.
> 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
> all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
> list to randomize.
> 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
> another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
> sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
> filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
> 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
> "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
> (one column for each attribute):
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> ... that's it, works.
> You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
> the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
> song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
> randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
> third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
> that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
> showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
> it's actually quite elegant.
> Best,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of Darina
> Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Semi random song play
>
> Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
> forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:35:30 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:35:30 -0700
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.113530.0700.>

Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I
have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the
likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds
into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has
played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6
seconds. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:44:30 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <936196d6-0a11-4e70-a40f-5382cd66df7b@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.114430.0700.>

Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each
play twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I
imagine this requires an in-line code?

Thank you for any help!

On Jun 5, 2:22 pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That works, thank you very much!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:41 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
> > nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
> > combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
> > all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
> > list to randomize.
> > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
> > another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
> > sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
> > filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
> > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
> > "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
> > (one column for each attribute):
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> > ... that's it, works.
> > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
> > the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
> > song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
> > randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
> > third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
> > that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
> > showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
> > it's actually quite elegant.
> > Best,
> > Michiel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> > Of Darina
> > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > To: E-Prime
> > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
> > forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > Thank you for any help!
>
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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun  6 07:17:27 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:17:27 +0300
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <7b10a920-c05f-4585-a21a-595f9adb27ff@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.101727.0300.>

Hi,
"how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4?"
Well, you should be able to know how to select fewer than the full list of
trials from a list after going through the barest minimum of the getting
started guide to E-Prime. 

"Songs 3 and 4 are different!"
That's what you asked, no? Or do you mean, "only songs 3 and 4 need to be
different, not the rest". That'd be a bit uncommon (usually people want to
avoid repetition in general, if they do this restricted randomisation
thing), but sure, then there are a few combinations which I omitted. Of
course, you could just extend the list by including:
[Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
...
Not exactly sure whether I now included all different combinations, I really
suggest you figure that one out yourself. Indeed, there are only that many
combinations in total, so you could just write them all out and delete the
ones that your type of randomisation doesn't allow. Sure, takes a while, but
so does writing emails, asking for help, and indeed replying to them. Hope
this helps anyway.
Best,
Michiel


-----Original Message-----
From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Darina
Sent: 05 June 2012 21:45
To: E-Prime
Subject: Re: Semi random song play

Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each play
twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I imagine
this requires an in-line code?

Thank you for any help!

On Jun 5, 2:22 pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That works, thank you very much!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:41 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to 
> > use a nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the 
> > possible different combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", 
> > featuring all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". 
> > Set the nested list to randomize.
> > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one 
> > after another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds 
> > (as, i think, sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More 
> > importantly, set the filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1],
[Song2], .. [Song6].
> > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes 
> > with "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the 
> > following trials (one column for each attribute):
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] ... 
> > that's it, works.
> > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be 
> > randomised, so the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. 
> > Thus, in trial 1, SOME song is taken from the full list of songs, 
> > that is, the first in the randomised nested list. The second song 
> > will be a different one, and the third another different one. The 
> > only pre-requisite for the fourth song is that it is either the 
> > first or second of the played songs, and so on - showing that there are,
in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I 
> > think it's actually quite elegant.
> > Best,
> > Michiel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf
>
> > Of Darina
> > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > To: E-Prime
> > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the 
> > third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > Thank you for any help!
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 14:18:38 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:18:38 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <002401cd43b4$6dd87910$49896b30$@eu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.071838.0700.>

Randomly selecting trials from a list totally skipped my mind but yes
I see how that is done. Songs 3 and 4 are now different and all
possible combinations are included. Thank you very much for your
help!

On Jun 6, 3:17 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
> "how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4?"
> Well, you should be able to know how to select fewer than the full list of
> trials from a list after going through the barest minimum of the getting
> started guide to E-Prime.
>
> "Songs 3 and 4 are different!"
> That's what you asked, no? Or do you mean, "only songs 3 and 4 need to be
> different, not the rest". That'd be a bit uncommon (usually people want to
> avoid repetition in general, if they do this restricted randomisation
> thing), but sure, then there are a few combinations which I omitted. Of
> course, you could just extend the list by including:
> [Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> ...
> Not exactly sure whether I now included all different combinations, I really
> suggest you figure that one out yourself. Indeed, there are only that many
> combinations in total, so you could just write them all out and delete the
> ones that your type of randomisation doesn't allow. Sure, takes a while, but
> so does writing emails, asking for help, and indeed replying to them. Hope
> this helps anyway.
> Best,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of Darina
> Sent: 05 June 2012 21:45
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Re: Semi random song play
>
> Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each play
> twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I imagine
> this requires an in-line code?
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:22 pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That works, thank you very much!
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:41 am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to
> > > use a nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the
> > > possible different combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs",
> > > featuring all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs".
> > > Set the nested list to randomize.
> > > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one
> > > after another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds
> > > (as, i think, sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More
> > > importantly, set the filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1],
> [Song2], .. [Song6].
> > > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes
> > > with "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the
> > > following trials (one column for each attribute):
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] ...
> > > that's it, works.
> > > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be
> > > randomised, so the first 3 songs only need to be different ones.
> > > Thus, in trial 1, SOME song is taken from the full list of songs,
> > > that is, the first in the randomised nested list. The second song
> > > will be a different one, and the third another different one. The
> > > only pre-requisite for the fourth song is that it is either the
> > > first or second of the played songs, and so on - showing that there are,
> in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I
> > > think it's actually quite elegant.
> > > Best,
> > > Michiel
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On
> > > Behalf
>
> > > Of Darina
> > > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > > To: E-Prime
> > > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the
> > > third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > > Thank you for any help!
>
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From ash2003raff at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  7 13:27:29 2012
From: ash2003raff at yahoo.com (ashraf ashraf)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:27:29 -0700
Subject: FWD: I am my own boss try it out for yourself!
Message-ID: <THU.7.JUN.2012.062729.0700.>

<p>all of my friends were sick of lending me money it would be insane to ignore this nothing seemed to work...<br><a href="http://www.ijptjournal.com/newsjournal/69JonathanWalsh/">http://www.ijptjournal.com/newsjournal/69JonathanWalsh/</a> its ironic how the tables have turned<br>dont hesitate trying this out.<br>see you soon!</p>

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From ash2003raff at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 13:19:01 2012
From: ash2003raff at yahoo.com (ashraf ashraf)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 06:19:01 -0700
Subject: Your question...
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.061901.0700.>

<p>ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life I refused to keep living that way.<br><a href="http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/">http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/</a> now people turn to me for financial advice<br>this could be your big break...<br>bye!</p>

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From seanrobertwright at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 16:50:16 2012
From: seanrobertwright at gmail.com (Sean Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:50:16 -0400
Subject: Your question...
In-Reply-To: <1339161541.8435.androidMobile@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.125016.0400.>

Can someone get rid of this guy and his spam?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, ashraf ashraf <ash2003raff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life
> I refused to keep living that way.
> http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/ now people turn to me for
> financial advice
> this could be your big break...
> bye!
>
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From seanrobertwright at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 16:51:05 2012
From: seanrobertwright at gmail.com (Sean Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:51:05 -0400
Subject: Your question...
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Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.125105.0400.>

Spammer!

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, ashraf ashraf <ash2003raff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life
> I refused to keep living that way.
> http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/ now people turn to me for
> financial advice
> this could be your big break...
> bye!
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From arron.metcalfe at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 22:36:19 2012
From: arron.metcalfe at gmail.com (Arron Metcalfe)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: E-Prime srbox will not open on two Dell computers
In-Reply-To: <a87ba8a2-5691-4d99-99a8-2a8bdcf1224e@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.153619.0700.>

Hi,

Yes finally tracked it back to a Logitech web cam driver that was factory 
installed on both computers even though neither shipped with a webcam. 
Uninstalled this and it worked.

Best of luck,

-Arron

On Sunday, June 3, 2012 1:49:45 PM UTC-7, Margot Elizabeth wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:08:57 PM UTC-5, Arron Metcalfe wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. No luck. I am currently going through a
>> process of figuring this out with PST tech support. I'll post an
>> update on the resolution.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Arron Metcalfe
>> Post Doc
>>
>>  
> hello Arron,
> I am having the same problem with an older EPrime SRBox (4 keys only) and 
> a Dell Optiplex 760.  The box is recognized, but not opened; error 10051 
> shows repeatedly.  The box itself seems to be fine.  Did you ever find a 
> resolution with PST tech support?
> thank you
> Margot Stothers
> PhD Candidate 
>
>>   
>>
>>

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From siegelse at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 16:13:07 2012
From: siegelse at gmail.com (Samantha S)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:13:07 -0700
Subject: Touch Screen Mouse Click
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.091307.0700.>

Hello all,

I'm a little bit stymied over a problem I'm having with my task. Let
me give you some background

About the task: two images appear on the screen, one on the left and
one on the right. An audio file plays saying the name of one of the
images. The participant should be able to touch the image and have it
move on to the next pair. Repeat.

Of course, I want it to record whether or not the image was the one
that was said (a correct response)

My problem: I am not getting ANY response currently. From either a
touch screen or from just using the mouse.

I've sent this problem into PST as well and so far their advice hasn't
gotten me to the right answer (though they've been very helpful and
quick to respond). The mouse device is set to emulate (when on the
touch screen) and the hitTest should be written correctly (PST
confirmed that)


Does anyone on here have any idea why no response would be recorded at
all? When clicked, it moves onto the next screen, but still does not
process that a response occurred (for both touch screen or when i do a
direct mouse click)

This is done in Eprime Professional and the second monitor used is
actually a Tobii computer (though we are not running tobii during this
at all).

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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From ktavabi at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 11 22:14:19 2012
From: ktavabi at googlemail.com (Kam)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:14:19 -0700
Subject: Timing issues
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.151419.0700.>

Hi all,
I'll try to be as brief as possible. I've already read CH 3 of the
user's guide re: timing in e-prime. My question concerns why nothing
to very little of the timing data output in my edat file makes sense
in the context of CH 3.

The experiment is a simple random presentation of sound files of
moderately varying lengths, separated by a random interstimulus
interval. The set-up includes a trial procedure with an inline that
among other things defines a variable SOA set to 100 (for testing
purposes) and the command c.SetAttrib "ISI", SOA to set ISI duration.
Then the trial procedure proceeds with a (1) SoundOutObject called
Stimulus with attributes {buffer size=800ms; buffer mode=streaming;
start/stop offsets=0; loop=no; stop after=yes; end sound action=none;
duration=800; timing mode=event; pre-release=0; sync onset/
offset=none} and (2) pause command called ISI with attributes
{duration=ISI (mentioned above); timing mode=event; pre-release=200;
sync onset/offset=none}. Subsequently the trial procedure terminates
having cycled through a stimulus list and the experiment concludes in
a single Block List. So that is 3 hierarchical procedure levels in all
{session, block, trial} with only 1 block of stimuli.

In my data file what I can make sense of is:
(1) Stimulus.Durations = 800 as defined in the Stimulus attributes
(2) Stimulus.OnsetTime = Stimulus.Start time and occurs before (3)
Stimulus.OffsetTime = Stimulus.FinishTime
(4) Stimulus.DurationError = 0 considering Onset and Offset times
occurred as expected
(5) ISI.Duration = 100 as defined in my inline


And what I cannot make sense of; I would appreciate if anyone can help
me resolve:
(1) There is a cyclical "drift" when I plot Stimulus.OnsetDelay
irrespective of where I use a pre-release (ie., 100-200 msec in either
the Stimulus or ISI-wait objects)
(2) ISI.OnsetTime = ISI.Start time = ISI.OffsetTime = ISI.FinishTime
(3) ISI.DurationError = 100

Generally speaking, there is very little said about proper
implementation of the SoundOut object, and the entire timing
discussion revolves around display refresh rates, which I don't
understand the importance of in a strictly auditory set up. Also, does
anyone know the exact web address where I can download the critical
timing eprime scripts mentioned in the user's guide?

Thanks in advance
Kam

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 12 17:54:22 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:54:22 -0400
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
In-Reply-To: <763abb63-1ed6-4abd-9ffa-d5628a280f58@j25g2000yqn.googlegro
 ups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.135422.0400.>

My thoughts...

Each trial presents a SongSoundOut and a LikertSlide.  Set Duration 
of SoundSoundOut to 24000, Loop to No, StopAfter to No, and End Sound 
Action to (none).  Now the song will start to play, and 24 sec later 
LikertSlide will appear while the song continues to play.  Set 
Duration of LikertSlide to 12000 so that it will remain for 12 sec, 
the first 6 while the song finishes playing, then another 6.  Nothing 
to it, unless I missed something.

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(Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours.  3) In addition, 
PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.)


At 6/5/2012 02:35 PM Tuesday, Darina wrote:
>Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I
>have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the
>likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds
>into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has
>played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6
>seconds. How can I do this?
>
>Thank you for any help!

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From doug.girard at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 22:37:32 2012
From: doug.girard at gmail.com (DGirard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:37:32 -0700
Subject: Ability to change background color startup info screen?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.153732.0700.>

The feature list <http://www.pstnet.com/eprimecompare.cfm> says that 
E-Prime now supports:
"Ability to change background color/customize startup info screen"

I need to change the background color to black (instead of white). How do I 
do this? Can you please point to the documentation for this feature?

(I tried posting this on PST's forums, but no one would respond. Maybe 
better luck on here?)

Thanks,

Doug Girard
President, Nirodha Software

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From elinebp at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 13 06:46:30 2012
From: elinebp at hotmail.com (ELine)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:46:30 -0700
Subject: Ability to change background color startup info screen?
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Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.234630.0700.>

Hi Doug

You can change the background color of the info screen by going into
Edit -> Experiment -> Devices -> choose Display and press Edit ->
Default Background Color.

That will only change the color of the very first screen that is
displayed just before the experiment is run.
Changing the background color of the rest of your experiment can be
done in the individual slides/displays. If you want a special color
which, you can use InLine to set a specific RGB color:

for text displays:
TextDisplay.BackColor = CColor("240,240,240")

for slides:
Dim theState As SlideState
Set theState = mySlide.States("Default")
theState.BackColor = CColor("240,240,240")


I hope you can use it.

Eline

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 14 15:22:54 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:22:54 -0400
Subject: Timing issues
In-Reply-To: <8c6fcdee-3f67-437b-a1ac-55221833ecec@oo8g2000pbc.googlegro
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Message-ID: <THU.14.JUN.2012.112254.0400.>

Kam,

Good, you worked through Chapter 3 of the User's Guide.  Next, 
supplement that with my explanation of EP time audit measures at 
http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/39e899d3457d4917?pli=1 
.  Then you will see that your results are exactly what you should 
expect.  In particular, regarding the points you want resolved:

(2) These all are about the same because, with PreRelease >= 
Duration, execution of the object ends as soon as possible after it begins.

(3) ISI.DurationError  =  ISI.OffsetTime + ISI.PreRelease - 
ISI.OnsetTime - ISI.Duration  =  t + 200 - t - 100  =  100.

(1) I don't know what makes your ISI.OnsetDelay drift "cyclical", but 
the drift itself simply results from natural delays in starting 
execution of ISI after ending exection of Stimulus.  Remember, a 
PreRelease may help reduce OnsetDelays in the *following* object, it 
has no such effect on the object that has the PreRelease.

That said, a few more comments:

- You correctly see that syncing with screen refresh almost never 
makes sense for auditory stimuli (I don't think PST explains this 
very well).  Corroborating this, the latest release of EP2 
(2.0.10.182) now corrects the default value of Onset Sync to (none) 
for SoundOut objects.

- You might think further about whether Event or Cumulative timing 
mode makes the most sense for your project.

- To get links for the Critical Timing example programs, submit a 
request to PST Web Support at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp .

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take any and all questions at 
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strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
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At 6/11/2012 06:14 PM Monday, Kam wrote:
>Hi all,
>I'll try to be as brief as possible. I've already read CH 3 of the
>user's guide re: timing in e-prime. My question concerns why nothing
>to very little of the timing data output in my edat file makes sense
>in the context of CH 3.
>
>The experiment is a simple random presentation of sound files of
>moderately varying lengths, separated by a random interstimulus
>interval. The set-up includes a trial procedure with an inline that
>among other things defines a variable SOA set to 100 (for testing
>purposes) and the command c.SetAttrib "ISI", SOA to set ISI duration.
>Then the trial procedure proceeds with a (1) SoundOutObject called
>Stimulus with attributes {buffer size=800ms; buffer mode=streaming;
>start/stop offsets=0; loop=no; stop after=yes; end sound action=none;
>duration=800; timing mode=event; pre-release=0; sync onset/
>offset=none} and (2) pause command called ISI with attributes
>{duration=ISI (mentioned above); timing mode=event; pre-release=200;
>sync onset/offset=none}. Subsequently the trial procedure terminates
>having cycled through a stimulus list and the experiment concludes in
>a single Block List. So that is 3 hierarchical procedure levels in all
>{session, block, trial} with only 1 block of stimuli.
>
>In my data file what I can make sense of is:
>(1) Stimulus.Durations = 800 as defined in the Stimulus attributes
>(2) Stimulus.OnsetTime = Stimulus.Start time and occurs before (3)
>Stimulus.OffsetTime = Stimulus.FinishTime
>(4) Stimulus.DurationError = 0 considering Onset and Offset times
>occurred as expected
>(5) ISI.Duration = 100 as defined in my inline
>
>
>And what I cannot make sense of; I would appreciate if anyone can help
>me resolve:
>(1) There is a cyclical "drift" when I plot Stimulus.OnsetDelay
>irrespective of where I use a pre-release (ie., 100-200 msec in either
>the Stimulus or ISI-wait objects)
>(2) ISI.OnsetTime = ISI.Start time = ISI.OffsetTime = ISI.FinishTime
>(3) ISI.DurationError = 100
>
>Generally speaking, there is very little said about proper
>implementation of the SoundOut object, and the entire timing
>discussion revolves around display refresh rates, which I don't
>understand the importance of in a strictly auditory set up. Also, does
>anyone know the exact web address where I can download the critical
>timing eprime scripts mentioned in the user's guide?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Kam

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From dominic.freschi at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 21:01:12 2012
From: dominic.freschi at gmail.com (Dominic Freschi)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:01:12 -0700
Subject: Multiple Choice Questions
Message-ID: <FRI.15.JUN.2012.140112.0700.>

I am a student user of E-Prime software and am attempting to design an 
experiment for my Summer Research Internship. I have been scanning these 
topics, and see that people have been able to create multiple choice 
questions within their experiments. I am lost on how to do this as I am not 
an avid programmer. 

If anyone could please give me simplistic instructions on how to create 
multiple choice questions, and potentially fill-in answer type questions I 
would most appreciate it. 

Thank you. 

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From liwenna at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 11:09:11 2012
From: liwenna at gmail.com (Anne-Wil)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:09:11 -0700
Subject: Multiple Choice Questions
In-Reply-To: <f6fad2b0-dfa6-4274-bbfc-bdc9c9ac26ee@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.JUN.2012.040911.0700.>

Hi Dominic,

The details depend a bit on your exact needs, but the general set-up would 
be to have 4 (or whatever amount of options you'd have) textboxes on a 
slide that people can click on and then reading out the name of the textbox 
that was clicked on with a piece of script known as 'dohittest'. I paste 
'dohittest' under this message. The original script (embedded in an estudio 
file) can be downloaded at the PST website: 
http://support.pstnet.com/support/samples.asp?Mode=View&SampleID=5 .

Good luck,

Anne-Wil 


*********** 
'Designate "theState" as the Default Slide State, which is the 
'current, ActiveState on the Slide object "Stimulus" 
Dim theState as SlideState 
Set theState = ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.States("
Default") 

Dim strHit As String 
Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData 


'Was there a response? 
If  ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.InputMasks.Responses.Count > 0 Then 

'Get the mouse response 
Set theMouseResponseData = 
CMouseResponseData( ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.InputMasks.Responses(1)) 

'Determine string name of SlideImage or SlideText object at 
'mouse click coordinates. Assign that value to strHit 
strHit = theState.HitTest(theMouseResponseData.CursorX, 
theMouseResponseData.CursorY) 

'Compare string name where mouse click occurred to CorrectAnswer 
'attribute on each trial, and score response 
'NOTE: This comparison is case sensitive 

If strHit = c.GetAttrib("Correctresp") Then 
ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.ACC = 1 
Else 
ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.ACC = 0 
End If 


End If 
c.SetAttrib "response", strHit 

****

On Friday, 15 June 2012 23:01:12 UTC+2, Dominic Freschi wrote:
>
> I am a student user of E-Prime software and am attempting to design an 
> experiment for my Summer Research Internship. I have been scanning these 
> topics, and see that people have been able to create multiple choice 
> questions within their experiments. I am lost on how to do this as I am not 
> an avid programmer. 
>
> If anyone could please give me simplistic instructions on how to create 
> multiple choice questions, and potentially fill-in answer type questions I 
> would most appreciate it. 
>
> Thank you. 
>

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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 17 13:23:36 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:23:36 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously
Message-ID: <SUN.17.JUN.2012.062336.0700.>

I've already asked a few questions about this, but i realized the answers 
to my problem were only acceptable if i were in possess of E-Prime 2.0. 
Unfortunately, i'm working on E-Prime 1.0. I still think/hope there might 
be a solution to this, so i'll try to explain again:
I have to show 15 pictures in succession (as if they were a video, more 
specifically the video of a guy showing an expression of disgust), and at 
the same time they have to hear an audio stimuli (the sound of a person 
expressing fear), after they will have to choose which emotion they saw. 
The audio lasts 500 ms, and i have to make the video last the same amount 
of time (when i tried to do a no-audio version of the experiment, i just 
made evry picture last 33 ms, it worked good, looked like a video). The 
problem is that these 15 pictures have to be shown during the audio. I 
tried making a GIF animated picture with the 15 pictures in sequence, but 
e-prime 1.0 is not compatible with gif pictures. I thought of making a 
video, but e-prime 1.0 doesn't work with videos. Is there a way i can work 
with the structure of the experiment so that i can do this? Because i've 
tried putting a slide with the first picture and the audio followed by 
imagedisplays of the other 14 pictures, but it doesn't get to the second 
picture before completing the audio, and that's not what i need.
Any help?
thank you in advance.

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Mon Jun 18 07:56:15 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:56:15 +0300
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <662aa6ea-7b50-40bc-9361-e28637dfed43@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.105615.0300.>

Hi,

This is very easily done with E-Prime 1 (though I hope you do have the final
version of it installed - not 1.0). That is, you can easily just play a
sound and have the rest of the experiment continue, in parallel. So, every
trial, show:

1. A slide of duration 500/15 (33 ms or so). On this slide, and every next
one, you show the image. However, only on this slide, you initiate the
audio. Insert a sound sub-object thingy which points to the right file, with
buffer of size at least as long as the longest audio file you intend to
play. Crucially, set StopAfter to false, so that the audio continues playing
even if the slide is no longer visible.

2. Insert images 2-15, either using slides or just imagedisplays. 

 

Easy and should work. It's better, IMHO, than using animated .gifs (despite
http://www.dailydot.com/culture/25-year-anniversary-gifs-collection/ ), or
video files, because you can never be all that sure as to whether frames are
correctly timed. 

Best,

Mich

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Massimiliano Elia
Sent: 17 June 2012 16:24
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously

 

I've already asked a few questions about this, but i realized the answers to
my problem were only acceptable if i were in possess of E-Prime 2.0.
Unfortunately, i'm working on E-Prime 1.0. I still think/hope there might be
a solution to this, so i'll try to explain again:

I have to show 15 pictures in succession (as if they were a video, more
specifically the video of a guy showing an expression of disgust), and at
the same time they have to hear an audio stimuli (the sound of a person
expressing fear), after they will have to choose which emotion they saw. The
audio lasts 500 ms, and i have to make the video last the same amount of
time (when i tried to do a no-audio version of the experiment, i just made
evry picture last 33 ms, it worked good, looked like a video). The problem
is that these 15 pictures have to be shown during the audio. I tried making
a GIF animated picture with the 15 pictures in sequence, but e-prime 1.0 is
not compatible with gif pictures. I thought of making a video, but e-prime
1.0 doesn't work with videos. Is there a way i can work with the structure
of the experiment so that i can do this? Because i've tried putting a slide
with the first picture and the audio followed by imagedisplays of the other
14 pictures, but it doesn't get to the second picture before completing the
audio, and that's not what i need.
Any help?

thank you in advance.

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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 14:17:11 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:17:11 -0700
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
In-Reply-To: <763abb63-1ed6-4abd-9ffa-d5628a280f58@j25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.071711.0700.>

It works, thank you!

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:35:30 PM UTC-4, Darina wrote:
>
> Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I 
> have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the 
> likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds 
> into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has 
> played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6 
> seconds. How can I do this? 
>
> Thank you for any help!

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 19:53:18 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:53:18 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.125318.0700.>

Hello,

I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants will 
click an area of the screen, following which an image should appear in that 
location.

What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an image 
object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to set the X 
and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically changes 
this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".

In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this inline-code 
after the slide object:
Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.
InputMasks.Responses(1))
c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 

Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the center 
(most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).

Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
Johannes Bjerva

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 07:48:41 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:48:41 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
In-Reply-To: <51edd44c-8feb-410b-b692-c8ee463300c7@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.004841.0700.>

I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, which is 
set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute.
That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of ":center", 
as I first assumed.

Problem solved! :)


On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants will 
> click an area of the screen, following which an image should appear in that 
> location.
>
> What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an image 
> object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to set the X 
> and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
> "[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically changes 
> this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".
>
> In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this inline-code 
> after the slide object:
> Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
> Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.
> InputMasks.Responses(1))
> c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
> c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 
>
> Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
> perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
> However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the center 
> (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).
>
> Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.
>
> Kind regards,
> Johannes Bjerva
>
>

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 14:32:59 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:32:59 -0400
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.103259.0400.>

For those of you not already on the PST mailing 
list.  This announcement refers to 
EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows for 
installation and use of multiple Subject Station 
versions, so that we can continue to run 
experiments made with older versions while making 
new experiments using the new version.

-- David McFarlane


>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
>From: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>Reply-To: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:13:21 +0000
>Sender: "Psychology Software Tools, Inc." 
><info=pstnet.com at mail95.us2.rsgsv.net>
>
>
>E-Prime 2.0 Now in Production Release!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Psychology Software Tools is proud to announce 
>that E-Prime 2.0 is complete and in production! 
>We would like to thank you for your support as 
>we have developed the final features of E-Prime 
>2.0. If you have purchased E-Prime 2.0 Release 
>Candidate, you are encouraged to 
><http://pstnet.us1.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=f80e7472577cb5c410b276814&id=f2eb5999b9&e=91cdee397e>download 
>the Production Release update on our support site at no cost.
>
>If you are using an E-Prime Extensions product, 
>you should continue to use the E-Prime 2.0 
>Release Candidate version (2.0.8.90) until there 
>is an additional announcement that provides an 
>update for the E-Prime Extension products (Target 30-60 days).
>
><http://us1.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=f80e7472577cb5c410b276814&id=dfd8674cb1&e=91cdee397e>Forward 
>this announcement to a friend.
>
>The Production Release of E-Prime 2.0 offers 
>many new features that will enhance the user 
>experience and provide valuable tools for experiment design including:
>
>    * Experiment Advisor
>    * Enhancements to script language (ScriptSense, AttribSense)
>    * Task Events
>    * Multiple Correct Answers
>    * Auto Response
>    * Enhanced Joystick Support
>    * SoundIn
>    * And More!
>
>What's New:
>
>* Some new features are only available in E-Prime 2.0 Professional.
>New Feature Description
>Multiple Instances of E-Studio Multiple 
>instances of the E-Studio application can be open simultaneously.
>Copy and Paste Objects between Experiments Exact 
>copies of objects may be created between experiments.
>ScriptSense&#153* Authoring and editing E-Basic 
>script is enhanced with ScriptSense&#153, a 
>code-completion and editing tool. 
>ScriptSense&#153 is similar to Microsoft’s 
>Intellisense&#153 system; both systems provide 
>automatic completion of commands and 
>context-sensitive information about available coding elements.
>AttribSense&#153* AttribSense&#153 is an 
>auto-completion tool that is enabled on a Text 
>or Slide object where references can be made to 
>attributes using the [AttribName] notation.
>Toolbox Defaults* Ability to customize the 
>default properties of objects when they are 
>added to the experiment from the Toolbox.
>MovieDisplay Object Supports the presentation of 
>pre-recorded digital video in DivX, XVid, 
>MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H-264, WMV formats using 
>the MovieDisplay object and SlideMovie sub-object.
>SoundIn Object The SoundIn object and 
>SlideSoundIn sub-object are used to record vocal 
>responses from the subject in the WAV format.
>PackageFile Editor* The PackageFile Editor 
>application can be used to create and modify 
>package files – reusable blocks of E-Basic 
>script that are added to E-Primme experiments via the PackageCall object.
>StartupInfo Editor* The StartupInfo Editor 
>application can be used to create and modify 
>StartupInfo files – XMLbased documents used to 
>load name/value pairs into the Context object of an experiment.
>Experiment Advisor* The Experiment Advisor 
>provides the ability to detect design and timing 
>errors in E-Studio and E-Run. In addition, 
>statistics on the OnsetToOnsetTime, OnsetDelay, 
>and LoadTime of objects can be reported.
>Auto Response* Auto Response enables E-Prime 2.0 
>to automatically provide a response to any 
>objects which require the subject to make a keyboard response.
>
>
>Enhanced Functionality Description
>Support for Multiple Video Displays* 
>Presentation of stimuli on multiple video displays
>Support for UNICODE and International Fonts 
>Presentation of UNICODE and international fonts
>Support for Additional Image Formats 
>Presentation of image files in multiple formats 
>(BMP, JPG, JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIF, TIFF, EMF, WMF)
>Procedure.GenerateLabels Property E-Prime 2.0 
>introduces the Procedure.GenerateLabels 
>property. This allows for a generic mechanism 
>for an experiment author to jump to different portions of a trial.
>Enhanced Sound Support E-Prime 2.0 introduces 
>the ability to choose the underlying API used to 
>assist with talking to sound hardware when run during an experiment.
>Stretch Mode E-Prime 2.0 offers additional 
>choices on how to render image and movie 
>components when using the Stretch property.
>New List sampling randomization feature E-Prime 
>2.0 includes a new option that applies when 
>sampling stimuli from a List Object: No repeat randomization.
>Conditional Exit* E-Prime 2.0 Professional 
>introduces the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace key 
>sequence to invoke Conditional Exit. When 
>invoked, the currently running object will exit.
>Hyperlinks for output files* E-Prime 2.0 
>Professional provides the ability to view any 
>output files that are created by the experiment. 
>In addition, the files can be accessed by simply 
>clicking on their hyperlink in Generate Window.
>Customized DataFileName* Customization of the data file name
>Invalid Version Protection E-Prime 2.0 
>introduces the ability to protect the runtime 
>from extensions that are deemed too old or new 
>for the currently running system.
>
>
>New Timing Options Description
>Task Events* Task Events expands the E-Prime 2.0 
>Professional synchronization capabilities by 
>offering a wide variety of options to take 
>action when specific time critical events occur during an experiment.
>PreRelease default to “same as duration† The 
>default for PreRelease has been changed to 
>“same as duration† which results in the 
>object passing its entire duration to be absorbed by the next object.
>DisplayDevice.FlippingEnabled Display back 
>buffer flipping is enabled by default for new experiments.
>RefreshAlignment RefreshAlignment is the ability 
>for the display scheduling in E-Prime to start 
>an object early if the next refresh is just 
>prior to the next target onset time of an object.
>Procedure.GenerateLabels Property When set to 
>Yes (default), the Procedure will generate the 
>Procedure_Start, Procedure_ Timeline_Start, 
>Procedure_Timeline_Finish, and Procedure_Finish E-Basic script labels.
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 15:01:18 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:01:18 -0400
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
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Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.110118.0400.>

Johannes,

Glad you sorted it out.  Just a bit of explanation about the 
":center", that happens when you use an attribute reference (e.g., 
[x]) for an X or Y Posiiton, and I do not think that PST explains 
this anywhere.  Think about it -- When you use an attribute 
reference, EP does not know until run time what position to use.  But 
during design time, it still has to place the object at some example 
position.  Where should it put the object during design time?  The 
":center" merely indicates where the object will appear on the 
*design* surface, and then the object will move to the referred 
position at *run* time.

And if you like, you could replace ":center" with a position of your 
choice.  E.g., "[x]:25%" would place the object 25% from the left of 
the design surface during design time, while "[x]:150" would place 
the object 150 pixels from the left during design time, and in each 
case would place the object at the value of [x] at run time.  Does 
that clarify things?

---------------
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
---------------

Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.


At 6/19/2012 03:48 AM Tuesday, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, 
>which is set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute.
>That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of 
>":center", as I first assumed.
>
>Problem solved! :)
>
>
>On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants 
>will click an area of the screen, following which an image should 
>appear in that location.
>
>What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an 
>image object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to 
>set the X and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
>"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically 
>changes this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".
>
>In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this 
>inline-code after the slide object:
>Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
>Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.InputMasks.Responses(1))
>c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
>c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY
>
>Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
>perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
>However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the 
>center (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).
>
>Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kind regards,
>Johannes Bjerva

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 15:26:05 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:26:05 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
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David,

That makes a lot of sense!
Thanks for the tip.

Johannes

On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01:18 UTC+2, McFarlane, David wrote:
>
> Johannes, 
>
> Glad you sorted it out.  Just a bit of explanation about the 
> ":center", that happens when you use an attribute reference (e.g., 
> [x]) for an X or Y Posiiton, and I do not think that PST explains 
> this anywhere.  Think about it -- When you use an attribute 
> reference, EP does not know until run time what position to use.  But 
> during design time, it still has to place the object at some example 
> position.  Where should it put the object during design time?  The 
> ":center" merely indicates where the object will appear on the 
> *design* surface, and then the object will move to the referred 
> position at *run* time. 
>
> And if you like, you could replace ":center" with a position of your 
> choice.  E.g., "[x]:25%" would place the object 25% from the left of 
> the design surface during design time, while "[x]:150" would place 
> the object 150 pixels from the left during design time, and in each 
> case would place the object at the value of [x] at run time.  Does 
> that clarify things? 
>
> --------------- 
> David McFarlane 
> E-Prime training 
> online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx 
> Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster) 
> --------------- 
>
> Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
> take any and all questions at 
> http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
> strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
> much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
> it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
> (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
> ), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
> channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
> though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
> the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. 
>
>
> At 6/19/2012 03:48 AM Tuesday, Johannes Bjerva wrote: 
> >I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, 
> >which is set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute. 
> >That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of 
> >":center", as I first assumed. 
> > 
> >Problem solved! :) 
> > 
> > 
> >On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote: 
> >Hello, 
> > 
> >I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants 
> >will click an area of the screen, following which an image should 
> >appear in that location. 
> > 
> >What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an 
> >image object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to 
> >set the X and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and 
> >"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically 
> >changes this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center". 
> > 
> >In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this 
> >inline-code after the slide object: 
> >Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData 
> >Set theMouseResponseData = 
> CMouseResponseData(Slide1.InputMasks.Responses(1)) 
> >c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX 
> >c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 
> > 
> >Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
> >perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files. 
> >However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the 
> >center (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes). 
> > 
> >Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly 
> appreciated. 
> > 
> >Kind regards, 
> >Johannes Bjerva 
>
>

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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Tue Jun 19 15:46:35 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:46:35 +0100
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
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thank you David for the clarification - we have been wondering about 
when to start making the big transition.
cheers,
david

On 19/06/2012 15:32, David McFarlane wrote:
> For those of you not already on the PST mailing list.  This 
> announcement refers to EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows 
> for installation and use of multiple Subject Station versions, so that 
> we can continue to run experiments made with older versions while 
> making new experiments using the new version.
>
> -- David McFarlane
>
>
>> Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
>> From: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
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>> E-Prime 2.0 Now in Production Release!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Psychology Software Tools is proud to announce that E-Prime 2.0 is 
>> complete and in production! We would like to thank you for your 
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>> The Production Release of E-Prime 2.0 offers many new features that 
>> will enhance the user experience and provide valuable tools for 
>> experiment design including:
>>
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>>    * Task Events
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>>    * Auto Response
>>    * Enhanced Joystick Support
>>    * SoundIn
>>    * And More!
>>
>> What's New:
>>
>> * Some new features are only available in E-Prime 2.0 Professional.
>> New Feature Description
>> Multiple Instances of E-Studio Multiple instances of the E-Studio 
>> application can be open simultaneously.
>> Copy and Paste Objects between Experiments Exact copies of objects 
>> may be created between experiments.
>> ScriptSense&#153* Authoring and editing E-Basic script is enhanced 
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>> ScriptSense&#153 is similar to Microsoft’s Intellisense&#153 
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>> context-sensitive information about available coding elements.
>> AttribSense&#153* AttribSense&#153 is an auto-completion tool that is 
>> enabled on a Text or Slide object where references can be made to 
>> attributes using the [AttribName] notation.
>> Toolbox Defaults* Ability to customize the default properties of 
>> objects when they are added to the experiment from the Toolbox.
>> MovieDisplay Object Supports the presentation of pre-recorded digital 
>> video in DivX, XVid, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H-264, WMV formats using 
>> the MovieDisplay object and SlideMovie sub-object.
>> SoundIn Object The SoundIn object and SlideSoundIn sub-object are 
>> used to record vocal responses from the subject in the WAV format.
>> PackageFile Editor* The PackageFile Editor application can be used to 
>> create and modify package files – reusable blocks of E-Basic script 
>> that are added to E-Primme experiments via the PackageCall object.
>> StartupInfo Editor* The StartupInfo Editor application can be used to 
>> create and modify StartupInfo files – XMLbased documents used to load 
>> name/value pairs into the Context object of an experiment.
>> Experiment Advisor* The Experiment Advisor provides the ability to 
>> detect design and timing errors in E-Studio and E-Run. In addition, 
>> statistics on the OnsetToOnsetTime, OnsetDelay, and LoadTime of 
>> objects can be reported.
>> Auto Response* Auto Response enables E-Prime 2.0 to automatically 
>> provide a response to any objects which require the subject to make a 
>> keyboard response.
>>
>>
>> Enhanced Functionality Description
>> Support for Multiple Video Displays* Presentation of stimuli on 
>> multiple video displays
>> Support for UNICODE and International Fonts Presentation of UNICODE 
>> and international fonts
>> Support for Additional Image Formats Presentation of image files in 
>> multiple formats (BMP, JPG, JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIF, TIFF, EMF, WMF)
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels Property E-Prime 2.0 introduces the 
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels property. This allows for a generic 
>> mechanism for an experiment author to jump to different portions of a 
>> trial.
>> Enhanced Sound Support E-Prime 2.0 introduces the ability to choose 
>> the underlying API used to assist with talking to sound hardware when 
>> run during an experiment.
>> Stretch Mode E-Prime 2.0 offers additional choices on how to render 
>> image and movie components when using the Stretch property.
>> New List sampling randomization feature E-Prime 2.0 includes a new 
>> option that applies when sampling stimuli from a List Object: No 
>> repeat randomization.
>> Conditional Exit* E-Prime 2.0 Professional introduces the use of the 
>> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace key sequence to invoke Conditional Exit. When 
>> invoked, the currently running object will exit.
>> Hyperlinks for output files* E-Prime 2.0 Professional provides the 
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>> In addition, the files can be accessed by simply clicking on their 
>> hyperlink in Generate Window.
>> Customized DataFileName* Customization of the data file name
>> Invalid Version Protection E-Prime 2.0 introduces the ability to 
>> protect the runtime from extensions that are deemed too old or new 
>> for the currently running system.
>>
>>
>> New Timing Options Description
>> Task Events* Task Events expands the E-Prime 2.0 Professional 
>> synchronization capabilities by offering a wide variety of options to 
>> take action when specific time critical events occur during an 
>> experiment.
>> PreRelease default to “same as duration† The default for 
>> PreRelease has been changed to “same as duration† which results 
>> in the object passing its entire duration to be absorbed by the next 
>> object.
>> DisplayDevice.FlippingEnabled Display back buffer flipping is enabled 
>> by default for new experiments.
>> RefreshAlignment RefreshAlignment is the ability for the display 
>> scheduling in E-Prime to start an object early if the next refresh is 
>> just prior to the next target onset time of an object.
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels Property When set to Yes (default), the 
>> Procedure will generate the Procedure_Start, Procedure_ 
>> Timeline_Start, Procedure_Timeline_Finish, and Procedure_Finish 
>> E-Basic script labels.
>> Clock GUI The ability to choose from available clocks via the 
>> E-Studio GUI.
>> Stop After Mode Stop After Mode can be used in conjunction with 
>> PreRelease and Stop After to obtain the expected experiment performance.
>> Object.GeneratePreRun and Object.
>> GeneratePostRun Property The GeneratePreRun and GeneratePostRun 
>> properties provide the benefit of having all of the objects load 
>> their properties at a non- time critical portion of an experiment.
>> InputMask.TimeLimit “end of proc† option To avoid the side 
>> effects of choosing “same as duration† or “infinite† for the 
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From c.jones.phd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 18:43:25 2012
From: c.jones.phd at gmail.com (Chris Jones)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:43:25 -0700
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
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Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.114325.0700.>

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this 
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel 
response box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until 
the fall and I want some data now... 
 
The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the 
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid 
data - particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what 
Mich (Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere 
about psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing 
precision... 
 
Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example 
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360
 
and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers 
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  
 
____________________________________
 
DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input 
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming 
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to 
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a 
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the 
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or 
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows 
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput 
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.
__________________________________________
 
...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to 
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 
 
And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or 
the type, "response box"?  
 
And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can 
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to 
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  
 
Thanks so much, 
Chris 
 
Chris Jones, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
Kwantlen Polytechnic University
Surrey, BC, Canada 
 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

> i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the 
> years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response 
> boxes. 
> both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this 
> type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the 
> manufacturer's website and which allows you to assign a value to the 
> various controller buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard 
> button presses, so all you need to do in eprime is set the object 
> collecting responses to look for a keyboard response (as opposed to a 
> response from a mouse or a pst response box).  for instance, set the object 
> to accept '0' or '1', and then assign one button on the controller to be 
> '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all the other buttons, and you're 
> good to go.
> pretty straight forward.
>
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=US,EN
>
> ben
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
>> do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
>> gamepad?
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:
>> > we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>> >
>> > On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
>> > > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
>> > > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
>> > > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
>> > > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
>> > > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
>> > > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
>> > > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
>> > > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
>> > > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
>> > > appreciate any feedback!
>> > > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
>> > > Assistant Professor
>> > > Department of Psychology
>> > > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>  
>>
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 19:20:40 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:20:40 -0400
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <f8bbf31c-a2b7-40f2-86e1-822942a093e0@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.152040.0400.>

Did someone say my name?
To find a driver for the controller you linked above, follow that
link, then click on the Support tab (Overview, Features, Images,
Specifications, Support), then in the upper right of the screen you'll
see a link to Software Downloads.
Thereafter should be pretty intuitive. Once the driver is installed
assign keyboard buttons to your controller buttons, and enable the
same keyboard input on your eprime object collecting responses. It
should work just the same as your keyboard.

ben

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Chris Jones <c.jones.phd at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this
> group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
> box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
> and I want some data now...
>
> The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
> psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
> - particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what Mich
> (Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
> psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
> precision...
>
> Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
> http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360
>
> and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers
> of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:
>
> ____________________________________
>
> DirectInput (D)
>
> DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
> functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
> Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
> do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.
>
> You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
> specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
> gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
> mouse.
>
> NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
> systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
> mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.
>
> __________________________________________
>
> ...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
> assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right?
>
> And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or
> the type, "response box"?
>
> And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can
> anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to
> minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Chris
>
> Chris Jones, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> Kwantlen Polytechnic University
> Surrey, BC, Canada
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:
>>
>> i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
>> years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
>> boxes.
>> both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
>> type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
>> website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
>> buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
>> you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
>> a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
>> box).  for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
>> one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
>> the other buttons, and you're good to go.
>> pretty straight forward.
>>
>> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=US,EN
>>
>> ben
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
>>> do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
>>> gamepad?
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:
>>> > we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
>>> > > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
>>> > > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
>>> > > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
>>> > > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
>>> > > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
>>> > > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may
>>> > > be
>>> > > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
>>> > > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
>>> > > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
>>> > > appreciate any feedback!
>>> > > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
>>> > > Assistant Professor
>>> > > Department of Psychology
>>> > > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>>> >
>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 20:04:05 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:04:05 -0400
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <f8bbf31c-a2b7-40f2-86e1-822942a093e0@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.160405.0400.>

I like Ben's suggestion of the Logitech Precision Gamepad, may want 
to use that myself some time...

At 6/19/2012 02:43 PM Tuesday, Chris Jones wrote:
>I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came 
>to this group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or 
>parallel response box.  My department won't be able to approve a 
>response box until the fall and I want some data now...

... but since you mention that, for the record a "parallel" response 
box is nothing more than some passive switches connected to a 
suitable digital I/O port.  I have made several of these for our use, 
parts might run about US$30-40 (most of that just for the 
high-quality pushbutton switches that we use).  They offer several advantages:

- No AC cord, which addresses the concern of the original poster.
- Negligible response latency.
- Trivial for any electronic hobbyist to build (just some switches, 
wire, a box, and appropriate connectors).
- Can use buttons with mechanical characteristics that suit you.
- Can use custom number of buttons and layout.

Some disadvantages:

- Does require access to someone with basic electronic hobbyist 
skills (e.g., has a soldering tool, and knows how to use it).
- Requires a parallel port or similar plain digital I/O port, which 
modern PCs lack.
- Requires a bit more programming knowledge to get it to work with 
E-Prime or other platforms.  (We often just plug these boxes into PST 
SRBoxes to get around that, but that would defeat the purpose of the 
original posters.)

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From mcgree at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 02:49:25 2012
From: mcgree at gmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:49:25 -0700
Subject: Simple Timing Issue
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.194925.0700.>

I am having difficulties with what I think should be a simple timing setup. 
 I would like participants to answer as many questions as they can in a 5 
minute period of time.  Currently I am using a text display to present a 
variable from my list, which is read in from a text file.  The program 
reads in the variable and even shows the participants response.  It also 
goes onto the next slide after "enter" is pressed (which is what it is 
suppose to do).  However, I have not been able to get the text display to 
stop after 5 minutes.  Instead, the text displays keep showing until every 
item on the list has been displayed.  At the moment my "Duration/Input" 
settings are set as follows:

*Duration:*  300000
*Data Logging:*  Response Only
*Timing Mode:  *Cumulative
*PreRelease:*  100
*Devices:* Keyboard
*Allowable:  *{NUMBER} {ENTER}
*Correct:  *[CORRECT]
*Time Limit:*  (same duration)
*End Action:  *Terminate

*Advanced:*
     *Max Count:*  4
     *Flush Input Buffer:*  Yes
     *Termination Response:  *{ENTER}

Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks in 
advance!

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 07:45:26 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:45:26 +0300
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
In-Reply-To: <4fe08da2.64a9320a.4674.ffffa20fSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
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Hi,
Wow, the people at PST certainly work at lightning speed! I remember E-Prime 2 introduced, amongst other things, a more modern look which was still based on this fantastic new (though inferior: real scientists should continue to use Windows 98 SE) OS called Windows XP. Ah, modernity just marches on!
For E-Prime 3, beta, I think they should concentrate on mobile/tablet platforms; it would be really cool to bring E-Prime along wherever you go and indeed even do field experiments. 

Best,
Michiel


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From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane
Sent: 19 June 2012 17:33
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!

For those of you not already on the PST mailing list.  This announcement refers to EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows for installation and use of multiple Subject Station versions, so that we can continue to run experiments made with older versions while making new experiments using the new version.

-- David McFarlane


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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 09:36:03 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:36:03 +0300
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
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Hi,

Moved from Nottingham to Helsinki, but yes, the issue remains :) On a
related topic, I made some custom software to use the XBOX360 controller
connected to E-Prime (also, for use as very cheap haptic system) - builds
available here, but I've no problem with releasing the source (in c#). See:
http://cognitology.eu/Experiments.htm (under vibro-tactile feature
integration). For adventurous coders, I suppose. 

Best,

Michiel

 

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Jones
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:43
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
and I want some data now... 

 

The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
- particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what Mich
(Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
precision... 

 

Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360

 

and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  

 

____________________________________

DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.

__________________________________________

 

...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 

 

And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or the
type, "response box"?  

 

And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  

 

Thanks so much, 

Chris 

 

Chris Jones, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Kwantlen Polytechnic University

Surrey, BC, Canada 

 


On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
boxes. 

both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
box).  for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
the other buttons, and you're good to go.

pretty straight forward.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301
<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=
US,EN> &cl=US,EN

 

ben

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
wrote:


Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
gamepad?

-Jeff


On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:

> we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>

> On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
> > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
> > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
> > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
> > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
> > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
> > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
> > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
> > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
> > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
> > appreciate any feedback!
> > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Psychology

> > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

 

 

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 11:22:27 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:22:27 +0300
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <008501cd4ec8$1c6c2e90$55448bb0$@eu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.142227.0300.>

Hi,

Actually, come to think of it, "psychological effects as being under-rated
in comparison with timing precision" is not quite my point. Rather, both
psychological effects and timing precision are very much over-rated in
comparison to the middle levels. That is, with psychological effects
("higher level"), we can think of, say, a lexical decision making task
taking 100 ms longer (about 10%, given that RTs are a bit longer) with
word/picture incongruency. Then, the timing error can be in your hardware
connection (say, polling rate) or software (e-prime, or say, windows
wondering whether there's a lan connection). I'd call both these a more
"lower level". To drive the point, I'll term the in-between part the central
level*: how much time does it take from initiation of movement (say, the
first millimeter of moving the finger downward) to actual "captured button
press". In the thread mentioned earlier, I suggested that there's good
reason to believe that this can be quite a bit; that motor noise may well
make it more difficult to find effects; and that there's no reason to
completely rule out that precious psychological effects may occur after
response initiation ("true RT") but before response capture ("measured RT")
by hardware, which is quite independent of timing errors and should be a
cause for concern. It's a bit like allowing two reactions - in a lexical
decision: "it's a word, oh no, it's actually not" and then reporting only
the second reaction (I think it's an unspoken rule that this is incorrect,
would people agree? I've heard of people who enter the correct answer as the
only allowable and then measure RTs - which rather inflates them).

 

To conclude on a more positive note: I thought I'd just like to say: make
sure you have a really light response-box, joystick, or gamepad.

 

Cheers,

Mich

 

* sorry, silly joke, I don't really see the arm as a central processing unit
- but has anyone else noticed how psychologists just love to call this or
that process occurring at a "central" level?

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape
Sent: 20 June 2012 12:36
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

Hi,

Moved from Nottingham to Helsinki, but yes, the issue remains :) On a
related topic, I made some custom software to use the XBOX360 controller
connected to E-Prime (also, for use as very cheap haptic system) - builds
available here, but I've no problem with releasing the source (in c#). See:
http://cognitology.eu/Experiments.htm (under vibro-tactile feature
integration). For adventurous coders, I suppose. 

Best,

Michiel

 

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Jones
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:43
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
and I want some data now... 

 

The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
- particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what Mich
(Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
precision... 

 

Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360

 

and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  

 

____________________________________

DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.

__________________________________________

 

...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 

 

And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or the
type, "response box"?  

 

And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  

 

Thanks so much, 

Chris 

 

Chris Jones, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Kwantlen Polytechnic University

Surrey, BC, Canada 

 


On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
boxes. 

both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
box).  for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
the other buttons, and you're good to go.

pretty straight forward.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301
<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=
US,EN> &cl=US,EN

 

ben

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
wrote:


Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
gamepad?

-Jeff


On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:

> we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>

> On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
> > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
> > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
> > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
> > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
> > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
> > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
> > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
> > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
> > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
> > appreciate any feedback!
> > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Psychology

> > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

 

 

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Wed Jun 20 14:58:11 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:58:11 -0400
Subject: Simple Timing Issue
In-Reply-To: <681e28d3-0ae1-46ee-8557-cab1be30dbe4@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.105811.0400.>

If you look on the Reset/Exit tab of the Properties Pages for your 
List object, under Exit List you will see an option for "After n 
seconds".  Give that a try.  That will end the List after the 
specified number of seconds, although it will still allow the subject 
to complete their last trial even if it runs over the time limit.  If 
you really want to cut the last trial short, then you will have to 
set the Duration of your stimuli to 0 (or set PreRelease >= 
Duration), and then handle all the timing in inline code.

-----
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)

/----
Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.
\----


At 6/19/2012 10:49 PM Tuesday, Elizabeth wrote:
>I am having difficulties with what I think should be a simple timing 
>setup.  I would like participants to answer as many questions as 
>they can in a 5 minute period of time.  Currently I am using a text 
>display to present a variable from my list, which is read in from a 
>text file.  The program reads in the variable and even shows the 
>participants response.  It also goes onto the next slide after 
>"enter" is pressed (which is what it is suppose to do).  However, I 
>have not been able to get the text display to stop after 5 
>minutes.  Instead, the text displays keep showing until every item 
>on the list has been displayed.  At the moment my "Duration/Input" 
>settings are set as follows:
>
>Duration:  300000
>Data Logging:  Response Only
>Timing Mode:  Cumulative
>PreRelease:  100
>Devices: Keyboard
>Allowable:  {NUMBER} {ENTER}
>Correct:  [CORRECT]
>Time Limit:  (same duration)
>End Action:  Terminate
>
>Advanced:
>      Max Count:  4
>      Flush Input Buffer:  Yes
>      Termination Response:  {ENTER}
>
>Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks 
>in advance!

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From bsmith.lap at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 20:50:37 2012
From: bsmith.lap at gmail.com (Benjamin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:50:37 -0700
Subject: AudioLoadReport
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.135037.0700.>

I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this a 
common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 2.0.8.90.  Has 
this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 21 15:10:26 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:10:26 -0400
Subject: AudioLoadReport
In-Reply-To: <993c1fcc-c2d8-4f92-83a1-9a1433155e82@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.111026.0400.>

Well.  I started to say, "This has been discussed, try doing a search 
using the obvious search term," along with advice to ask PST 
directly.  But then, in keeping with my role as Professional 
Faultfinder, I checked my facts by running my own search.  And lo!, 
this had not yet been discussed.  But I had discussed this privately 
with PST Web Support (request #19335 on 2/9/2010 if anyone wants to 
know), so I will post their response now for the record, and 
henceforth everyone should search first and find this post:

"... the AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport generated by 2.0.8.73 
and later are diagnostic files similar to FilterDump.bin. If you have 
a problem with audio or video, you can attach those files to a 
support request for us to help troubleshoot the problem. Otherwise, 
feel free to ignore the files."

Again, we may always ask PST staff directly about these things at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp or 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 .

Thanks for asking so that I could finally get this on the public record.

-----
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
-----


At 6/20/2012 04:50 PM Wednesday, Benjamin wrote:
>I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this 
>a common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 
>2.0.8.90.  Has this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 21 20:48:34 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:48:34 -0400
Subject: AudioLoadReport
In-Reply-To: <4fe33966.64a9320a.4674.ffffffe9SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google. com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.164834.0400.>

Well, browsing through the E-Prime Knowledge Base today, I came upon 
http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=4424 .  This explains 
that, "When a sound/movie object loads in E-Prime 2.0, an AudioReport 
or VideoReport xml file is generated to log which Codecs were used 
during the load processing and to determine if there are any errors," 
and, "These load reports can be supressed by unchecking the option in 
Codec Config."

(Yes, "AudioReport" and "VideoReport" above should read 
AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport, respectively, no wonder no one 
can find it during a proper search.  I will post a note to the KB and 
see if PST will update that.)

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At 6/21/2012 11:10 AM Thursday, David McFarlane wrote:
>Well.  I started to say, "This has been discussed, try doing a 
>search using the obvious search term," along with advice to ask PST 
>directly.  But then, in keeping with my role as Professional 
>Faultfinder, I checked my facts by running my own search.  And lo!, 
>this had not yet been discussed.  But I had discussed this privately 
>with PST Web Support (request #19335 on 2/9/2010 if anyone wants to 
>know), so I will post their response now for the record, and 
>henceforth everyone should search first and find this post:
>
>"... the AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport generated by 2.0.8.73 
>and later are diagnostic files similar to FilterDump.bin. If you 
>have a problem with audio or video, you can attach those files to a 
>support request for us to help troubleshoot the problem. Otherwise, 
>feel free to ignore the files."
>
>Again, we may always ask PST staff directly about these things at 
>http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp or 
>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 .
>
>Thanks for asking so that I could finally get this on the public record.
>
>-----
>David McFarlane
>E-Prime training 
>online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
>Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
>-----
>
>
>At 6/20/2012 04:50 PM Wednesday, Benjamin wrote:
>>I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this 
>>a common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 
>>2.0.8.90.  Has this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From tabithakirkland at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 23:35:08 2012
From: tabithakirkland at gmail.com (Tabitha K.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:35:08 -0700
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.163508.0700.>

Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.

I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a combined 
eye tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press 
responses. The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from 
the experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.

My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively 
useless error message "object variable or with block response not set." 
>From my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has 
something to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a 
screen. As far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a 
keyboard response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm 
also happy to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would 
be useful at this point.

Thanks!
Tabitha

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From grasszilla at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 01:49:36 2012
From: grasszilla at gmail.com (FrankBank)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:49:36 -0700
Subject: How to use label jump in slide properties
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.184936.0700.>

I am new to eprime and am having trouble with a simple issue.  I'd
like to have a slide display for 2 seconds (not accept any input) and
then jump to a label at the end of a procedure (jumping over several
other slides, etc).  I thought maybe I could do this by setting the
duration to 2000 and the Label Jump box to the "EndLabel" at the end
of the procedure.

What I don't understand is what the rest of the slide's properties
should be set to for this to happen, because right now it waits 2
seconds and then does not jump, but simply proceeds to the next slide
(the one I want it to jump over) in the procedure.

Thanks for any assistance with this!

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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 10:01:40 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:01:40 +0100
Subject: How to use label jump in slide properties
In-Reply-To: <5dec05e7-0535-46f8-b00b-848887500c41@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.110140.0100.>

Hi FrankBank,

If this is really what you want to do, the most straightforward way is 
to insert an Inline object right after your slide with the simple text
goto EndLabel

The Jump Label on a Slide (or ImageDisplay, TextDisplay etc) seems to be 
used only when Jump is selected as an End Action (which, I think, 
requires input).

However, the use of goto in such situations may cause you other problems 
(for example logging data from previous trials as if obtained on the 
current one, if the goto skips an object for which data is logged).    
And, unless you are presenting your problem in a simplified manner, I'm 
not sure why one would want to have a noncontingent "goto" within a 
procedure rather than, for example, creating different procedures each 
of which displays exactly what you want.

hope this helps,
David


On 22/06/2012 02:49, FrankBank wrote:
> I am new to eprime and am having trouble with a simple issue.  I'd
> like to have a slide display for 2 seconds (not accept any input) and
> then jump to a label at the end of a procedure (jumping over several
> other slides, etc).  I thought maybe I could do this by setting the
> duration to 2000 and the Label Jump box to the "EndLabel" at the end
> of the procedure.
>
> What I don't understand is what the rest of the slide's properties
> should be set to for this to happen, because right now it waits 2
> seconds and then does not jump, but simply proceeds to the next slide
> (the one I want it to jump over) in the procedure.
>
> Thanks for any assistance with this!
>

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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:47:01 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:47:01 -0700
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.074701.0700.>

Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new experiment 
all day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have 
contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es 
file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the 
script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the 
e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
thanks in advance,
Massimiliano Elia

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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:51:48 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:51:48 -0400
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <a55bd6e9-fc69-4609-b2f9-3ad5f136a45c@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.105148.0400.>

you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :(

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia
<rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new experiment all
> day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have
> contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es
> file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the
> script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the
> e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
> thanks in advance,
> Massimiliano Elia
>
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:57:05 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:57:05 -0400
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
In-Reply-To: <ea570f69-bcf0-4826-b277-4ffabbba2c8b@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.105705.0400.>

When it crashes, giving you the above error message, it probably
leaves your cursor blinking on the line of code where the program
crashed. Take a look at what is written on that line of code. Maybe it
refers to some object which you once had in your program but have
since deleted? Or an Attribute (column name) in a List which you've
mistyped or forgot to create? Something along those lines would be my
first guess. Take another look at the line of code where the program
crashes.

ben

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Tabitha K. <tabithakirkland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.
>
> I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a combined eye
> tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press responses.
> The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from the
> experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.
>
> My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively
> useless error message "object variable or with block response not set." From
> my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has something
> to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a screen. As
> far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a keyboard
> response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm also happy
> to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would be useful
> at this point.
>
> Thanks!
> Tabitha
>
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Fri Jun 22 17:04:34 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:04:34 -0400
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
In-Reply-To: <CABkDJUfpa8pZ4DYw=Nnwqon0k+3TOrUo-KPt9t+8QY5pE7vYUw@mail.g
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Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.130434.0400.>

See also http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=4782 .  Example 
code there will compile, but when run will crash at the line "y = x.RESP".

-- David McFarlane


At 6/22/2012 10:57 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote:
>When it crashes, giving you the above error message, it probably
>leaves your cursor blinking on the line of code where the program
>crashed. Take a look at what is written on that line of code. Maybe it
>refers to some object which you once had in your program but have
>since deleted? Or an Attribute (column name) in a List which you've
>mistyped or forgot to create? Something along those lines would be my
>first guess. Take another look at the line of code where the program
>crashes.
>
>ben
>
>On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Tabitha K. <tabithakirkland at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.
> >
> > I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a 
> combined eye
> > tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press 
> responses.
> > The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from the
> > experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.
> >
> > My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively
> > useless error message "object variable or with block response not 
> set." From
> > my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has something
> > to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a screen. As
> > far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a keyboard
> > response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm also happy
> > to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would be useful
> > at this point.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Tabitha

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Fri Jun 22 17:15:04 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:15:04 -0400
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <CABkDJUdQ45i-vyg7oT5XROoOszdfKmEgw3voP01k5tGNSQJjyQ@mail.g
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Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.131504.0400.>

Massimiliano,

If you wrote this in EP1.x, then the .ebs file contains the full 
human-readable generated source code, and in principle one could work 
back from that to laboriously recreate a corresponding .es file, but 
this is only for the adventurous or desperate.  If in EP2.x, then the 
.ebs2 file is no longer human-readable, so no hope of recreating an 
.es2 file from that.

But before you resort to starting from scratch, open E-Studio, go to 
Tools > Options > General tab, click "Copy backup experiments to my 
desktop...", and see if you can recover an earlier version of your 
E-Studio file (see http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1355 ).

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Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)


At 6/22/2012 10:51 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote:
>you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :(
>
>On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia
><rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new 
> experiment all
> > day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have
> > contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es
> > file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the
> > script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the
> > e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
> > thanks in advance,
> > Massimiliano Elia

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From bsmith.lap at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 19:54:50 2012
From: bsmith.lap at gmail.com (Benjamin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:54:50 -0700
Subject: Running 2.0.8 files in 2.0.10
Message-ID: <MON.25.JUN.2012.125450.0700.>

Has anyone tried running ebs files generated in 2.0.8.90 using the 
2.0.10.242 runtime?  PST told me that this was "not recommended," but that 
doesn't sound like quite the same as "will not work."

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From grasszilla at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 05:07:46 2012
From: grasszilla at gmail.com (FrankBank)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:07:46 -0700
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
Message-ID: <MON.25.JUN.2012.220746.0700.>

Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
7. Here are the relevant specs:

**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
Diagonal Size: 22"
Viewable Size: 22"
Panel Type: TN
Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
Brightness: 250 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Response Time: 5 ms
Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP

*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
 17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
22.5 mm neck CRT
0.28 mm dot pitch
90° deflection
Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
1,024 lines maximum vertical
Scanning Frequency:
Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
slightly different frequencies:
Scanning frequency:
Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
Also a link to some sort of timing table:
https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml

I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
even matters?), thanks.

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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 15:18:57 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:18:57 -0700
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <4fe4a82c.64a9320a.4674.3053SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.081857.0700.>

I was using E-Prime 1.1, there was no hope of recovering the file. I did it 
again, and I took advantage of this to redesign my experiment so to make it 
easier to read for the laptop i'm using. I know it might seem like a stupid 
advice, but approaching experiment designs with minimalism is the best 
option, always!
thanks everybody for their help

On Friday, June 22, 2012 7:15:04 PM UTC+2, McFarlane, David wrote:
>
> Massimiliano, 
>
> If you wrote this in EP1.x, then the .ebs file contains the full 
> human-readable generated source code, and in principle one could work 
> back from that to laboriously recreate a corresponding .es file, but 
> this is only for the adventurous or desperate.  If in EP2.x, then the 
> .ebs2 file is no longer human-readable, so no hope of recreating an 
> .es2 file from that. 
>
> But before you resort to starting from scratch, open E-Studio, go to 
> Tools > Options > General tab, click "Copy backup experiments to my 
> desktop...", and see if you can recover an earlier version of your 
> E-Studio file (see http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1355 ). 
>
> ----- 
> David McFarlane 
> E-Prime training 
> online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx 
> Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster) 
>
>
> At 6/22/2012 10:51 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote: 
> >you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :( 
> > 
> >On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia 
> ><rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new 
> > experiment all 
> > > day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have 
> > > contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the 
> .es 
> > > file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have 
> the 
> > > script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild 
> the 
> > > e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning? 
> > > thanks in advance, 
> > > Massimiliano Elia 
>
>

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From jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 16:02:42 2012
From: jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com (JP)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:02:42 -0700
Subject: randomized LED lighting using DAQ Card in eprime
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.090242.0700.>

I am currently assisting in creating an experimental design for a 
professor. The task that i have right now is to wire two LEDs to a DAQ card 
and make them light up independently and randomly using Eprime inline code. 
We also need to make it so we can track the lighting so we know which light 
the participants may be responding to. I have found dozens 
of references regarding DAQ card coding but it all seems to be acquiring 
data through the card and not not using it to control a component. 

I was wondering if anyone had an idea about what the coding might look like 
or how to accomplish this. 


Thank you in advance for the help!!

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From pquain at une.edu.au  Tue Jun 26 16:20:19 2012
From: pquain at une.edu.au (Peter Quain)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:20:19 +1000
Subject: [SPAM?]  LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <17829de7-3eaa-48bf-ad94-eaccf4060000@qq9g2000pbb.googlegro
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Message-ID: <WED.27.JUN.2012.022019.1000.>

If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
well use it. You can be pretty sure then that you 
will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.

At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>
>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>Diagonal Size: 22"
>Viewable Size: 22"
>Panel Type: TN
>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>Response Time: 5 ms
>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>
>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>22.5 mm neck CRT
>0.28 mm dot pitch
>90° deflection
>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>Scanning Frequency:
>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>slightly different frequencies:
>Scanning frequency:
>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>
>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>even matters?), thanks.
>
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From natansiegel2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 17:12:36 2012
From: natansiegel2 at gmail.com (Natan Siegel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:36 -0400
Subject: Running 2.0.8 files in 2.0.10
In-Reply-To: <5d40a2b6-ddc4-4b2b-927b-b75828e1300a@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.131236.0400.>

Seems to be working here.... But I didnt try all the files I have

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Benjamin <bsmith.lap at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone tried running ebs files generated in 2.0.8.90 using the
> 2.0.10.242 runtime?  PST told me that this was "not recommended," but that
> doesn't sound like quite the same as "will not work."
>
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From neelcl9 at wfu.edu  Tue Jun 26 18:03:36 2012
From: neelcl9 at wfu.edu (CNeely)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:03:36 -0700
Subject: an easy stimulation set up question?
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.110336.0700.>

Hello all,  

I'm very new to E prime and know a few of the basics (from watching 
tutorials).  My mentor and I are stuck on how to set up our stimulator 
(StimisOB isolator using Stim100).  It seems that the isOB is out of date, 
and there aren't too many instructions on how to configure it.  Would this 
be a significant problem?

Another question: we're using the same set up as Phelps, 2004 (Extinction 
learning in humans, amygdala and vmPFC).  The first step is stimulator 
calibration based on the participant's feedback.  The participant will be 
given a mild shock starting at 10 V for a 200 ms duration with 50 pulses 
per second.  We think that the trigger in E prime is too fast and we aren't 
getting a high enough voltage.  I was interested in your thoughts/help, if 
this is the case.

Lastly (I promise, this I think is the easy question), is how to time this 
so that the shock is delivered during a 4 second presentation of the CS+ (a 
blue screen).      

I realize this is three questions in one, but I really appreciate any 
advice or feedback!

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From a.schueppert at rug.nl  Thu Jun 28 09:29:39 2012
From: a.schueppert at rug.nl (anja)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:29:39 -0700
Subject: Analysing string data
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.022939.0700.>

Dear all,
 
is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze' window?
 
I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from a 
foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main 
objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window and 
double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics into simply 
giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there was a simple way to 
get an overview of which stimulus was translated with which word by every 
participant.
 
Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the wrong way?
Any creative ideas...?
 
Cheers, Anja

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From a.schueppert at rug.nl  Thu Jun 28 09:50:19 2012
From: a.schueppert at rug.nl (A. Schueppert)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:50:19 +0200
Subject: Analysing string data
In-Reply-To: <4FEC26ED.70508@ucl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.115019.0200.>

Wonderful!
Problem solved, many thanks David!!
--Anja

On 28-6-2012 11:42, David Vinson wrote:
> Hi Anja,
>
> E-DataAid doesn't like string data in the "Data" field but you should
> be able to trick it into doing what you want:  dragging it into the
> Rows field and selecting a numeric but uninteresting value (e.g.
> Session) for the Data field.
>
> So here for example you could just have these three fields in Rows:
> Subject
> TargetStimulus
> TranslationResponse
>
> And this one field in Data:
> Session:Mean
>
> The first three columns of the output should give you what you're
> looking for.
>
> hope this helps!
> david
>
> On 28/06/2012 10:29, anja wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze'
>> window?
>> I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from
>> a foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main
>> objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
>> I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window
>> and double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics
>> into simply giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there
>> was a simple way to get an overview of which stimulus was translated
>> with which word by every participant.
>> Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the
>> wrong way?
>> Any creative ideas...?
>> Cheers, Anja
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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Jun 28 09:42:05 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:05 +0100
Subject: Analysing string data
In-Reply-To: <71bc9bfc-34a5-4bdf-85e0-b6a1b31a4df4@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.104205.0100.>

Hi Anja,

E-DataAid doesn't like string data in the "Data" field but you should be 
able to trick it into doing what you want:  dragging it into the Rows 
field and selecting a numeric but uninteresting value (e.g. Session) for 
the Data field.

So here for example you could just have these three fields in Rows:
Subject
TargetStimulus
TranslationResponse

And this one field in Data:
Session:Mean

The first three columns of the output should give you what you're 
looking for.

hope this helps!
david

On 28/06/2012 10:29, anja wrote:
> Dear all,
> is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze' 
> window?
> I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from 
> a foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main 
> objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
> I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window 
> and double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics 
> into simply giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there was 
> a simple way to get an overview of which stimulus was translated with 
> which word by every participant.
> Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the wrong 
> way?
> Any creative ideas...?
> Cheers, Anja
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From pfc.groot at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 10:32:26 2012
From: pfc.groot at gmail.com (Paul Groot)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:32:26 +0200
Subject: randomized LED lighting using DAQ Card in eprime
In-Reply-To: <1d7154dd-09ec-4066-9332-ea97430c22f7@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.123226.0200.>

jp,

This would be easy if the device or driver supports memory mapped IO, just
like legacy parallel printer ports. Memory mapped IO can be programmed by
using the WritePort function or Onset/OffsetSignal* properties. The E-Basic
help documentation contains some printer-port based examples, which can be
used as a starting point if you know which address maps to the digital
output registers.

However, many modern (USB) based devices use other mechanisms to
communicate with applications, so it depends on the available drivers which
options you have. Unfortunately memory mapped IO is often not supported
anymore. Most manufacturers provide visual basic or C-code examples that
can be used as as starting point. In most cases you will have to use
external function calls (typically DLL functions) using inline E-Basic
script. This is less trivial than the memory mapped IO method.

best
Paul

2012/6/26 JP <jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com>

> I am currently assisting in creating an experimental design for a
> professor. The task that i have right now is to wire two LEDs to a DAQ card
> and make them light up independently and randomly using Eprime inline code.
> We also need to make it so we can track the lighting so we know which light
> the participants may be responding to. I have found dozens
> of references regarding DAQ card coding but it all seems to be acquiring
> data through the card and not not using it to control a component.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had an idea about what the coding might look
> like or how to accomplish this.
>
>
> Thank you in advance for the help!!
>
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From tjwall000 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 13:14:27 2012
From: tjwall000 at gmail.com (Tom Wallace)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:14:27 -0700
Subject: Timing question
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.061427.0700.>

Hello all -

I am having some difficulty setting up the correct timing intervals for my 
experiment. 

Subjects are shown a slide with a stimulus on it, to which they must enter 
a response using the keyboard. I need the timing between the slides to be 
constant. Lets use 15 seconds as an example; if for for one slide the 
subject enters a response at 2 seconds, the program should wait 13 seconds 
after their response to show the new slide. If the subject responds at 5 
seconds, the program should wait 10 seconds. I can't figure out how to do 
this with the "timing/duration" options under properties. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Tom Wallace 

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 28 16:01:40 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:01:40 -0400
Subject: Timing question
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Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.120140.0400.>

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At 6/28/2012 09:14 AM Thursday, Tom Wallace wrote:
>Hello all -
>
>I am having some difficulty setting up the correct timing intervals 
>for my experiment.
>
>Subjects are shown a slide with a stimulus on it, to which they must 
>enter a response using the keyboard. I need the timing between the 
>slides to be constant. Lets use 15 seconds as an example; if for for 
>one slide the subject enters a response at 2 seconds, the program 
>should wait 13 seconds after their response to show the new slide. 
>If the subject responds at 5 seconds, the program should wait 10 
>seconds. I can't figure out how to do this with the 
>"timing/duration" options under properties. Any ideas?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tom Wallace

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 28 20:53:07 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:53:07 -0400
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <201206261620.q5QGKLQw016939@mail9.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.165307.0400.>

Also see the post at https://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic6087-2-1.aspx .

-- David McFarlane


At 6/26/2012 12:20 PM Tuesday, Peter Quain wrote:

>If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
>well use it. You can be pretty sure then that 
>you will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.
>
>At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>>
>>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>>Diagonal Size: 22"
>>Viewable Size: 22"
>>Panel Type: TN
>>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>>Response Time: 5 ms
>>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>>
>>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>>22.5 mm neck CRT
>>0.28 mm dot pitch
>>90° deflection
>>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>>Scanning Frequency:
>>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>>slightly different frequencies:
>>Scanning frequency:
>>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>>
>>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>>even matters?), thanks.

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From alphonse.stickle at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 07:58:51 2012
From: alphonse.stickle at gmail.com (Alphonse Stickle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:58:51 +1000
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <4fecc43c.268c320a.53ad.04c4SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.JUN.2012.175851.1000.>


ssshhhhhh ... or you will frighten the (machine 
variance) elephant, in our room  :)))

OP, search the group archive for "LCD Input lag 
", there was something on this a while ago. 
Follow some of the links and decide for 
yourselves. We have scrounged and now have a nice 
cupboard full of CRT monitors to replace any failures, into the future.

In fact, here is the post (from 2011):

----------------------------------------------
LCD monitors and Input lag

The issue of LCD monitors has been raised 
periodically on this list. Because CRTs have gone 
way of the dinosaur many labs use LCDs now for 
experiment presentation, and my guess is that 
some aren't aware of some possible pitfalls of 
doing so. My understanding is, basically, LCDs 
work differently to CRT monitors, and the key 
issue for display timing accuracy is that LCD 
monitors have onboard image processing engines 
that do their own thing with the frames sent to 
them by graphics card, prior to displaying them, 
and this processing can take (varied) time, with 
range that can be perhaps 0 to 70 ms across 
frames, and average lag which can be in the 30-40 
ms range. The variation compounds the problem LCD 
screens may pose for some types of experimental psychology.

This means 1) that you don't have a clue what is 
going on with display timing unless you test your 
LCD monitors for input lag (and then it likely 
will fluctuate across trials anyway) ; and 2) 
Just because it shows a picture, you can't just 
treat an LCD monitor as though it is a CRT 
monitor for purposes of time critical paradigms.

Additionally, any concurrent audio would be out 
of sync because the audio is not routed through 
the display, and so would experience no delay.

Also, without testing the monitor, it may not be 
possible to trust the "refresh rate" setting at 
anything other than the native refresh (mostly 
60Hz) even though Windows may provide an option 
for the monitor to run at a higher "refresh" (say 
75Hz), which some researchers may choose in their 
experiment. I have seen results showing that when 
refresh is set to 75Hz on a 60Hz native refresh 
LCD, frames are redrawn every ~13ms (instead of 
~17ms), however 1 in every 6 frames was skipped 
(no display). So, in 167ms only 10 frames were 
displayed, not 12. Looked like the engine was 
correcting back to native refresh. You test this 
with high speed camera (same as to test input lag).

As far as e-prime goes, this means that you could 
write a tidy paradigm where timing was tested as 
perfect on a good PC, and e-prime would log all 
durations as being so. However, at the display 
level the timing could be all over the place. 
Nobody would know, and effectively all the time 
taken to use e-prime for millisecond precision 
would be wasted. On monitors that have a big 
range of input lag, some paradigms would really 
be impossible to implement accurately.?

I'm no expert in this, have just been fishing 
round on the net. For anyone who might be 
interested, below are some useful links providing 
a little digestible background on how LCDs work, 
how they differ from CRTs, and how to go about 
testing for input lag. Note that to do this 
properly you need a CRT monitor as baseline. 
Don't be tempted to use another LCD, which would 
include using a laptop screen, and my advice 
would be to definitely use a PC (with dual head 
graphics card in clone mode) not a laptop.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good old Wikipedia defining input lag:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

A basic primer on how LCDs / CRTs function, and differences:

<http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/20/how_crt_and_lcd_monitors_work/>http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/20/how_crt_and_lcd_monitors_work/

Here is an interesting site describing CRTs and 
LCDs (from gamer perspective). Navigate through 
the next few pages forward / backward using buttons down the bottom:

<http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html>http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html

How to test your monitors for input lag?

Here is a brief description, and a little counter program you can download:

<http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229335064>http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229335064

Here is another description with some useful info 
about type of camera that is suitable:

<http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464>http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464

A neat site who say they have done a lot of 
testing re: input lag, and provide comparison 
output for many LCD monitors. Note, lags might be 
different on your monitor even though it is same 
model tested. You need to test each individual monitor:

<http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=121&p1=1303&ma2=284&mo2=326&p2=3097&ph=12>http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=121&p1=1303&ma2=284&mo2=326&p2=3097&ph=12

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At 06:53 AM 29/06/2012, you wrote:
>Also see the post at https://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic6087-2-1.aspx .
>
>-- David McFarlane
>
>
>At 6/26/2012 12:20 PM Tuesday, Peter Quain wrote:
>
>>If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
>>well use it. You can be pretty sure then that 
>>you will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.
>>
>>At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>>>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>>>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>>>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>>>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>>>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>>>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>>>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>>>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>>>
>>>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>>>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>>>Diagonal Size: 22"
>>>Viewable Size: 22"
>>>Panel Type: TN
>>>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>>>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>>>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>>>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>>>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>>>Response Time: 5 ms
>>>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>>>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>>>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>>>
>>>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>>>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>>>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>>>22.5 mm neck CRT
>>>0.28 mm dot pitch
>>>90° deflection
>>>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>>>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>>>Scanning Frequency:
>>>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>>>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>>>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>>>slightly different frequencies:
>>>Scanning frequency:
>>>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>>>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>>>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>>>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>>>
>>>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>>>even matters?), thanks.
>
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From helminenterhi at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 12:01:14 2012
From: helminenterhi at gmail.com (terhi helminen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:01:14 +0300
Subject: joystick response & looming videos
Message-ID: <FRI.29.JUN.2012.150114.0300.>

Hi,

I am trying to create an experiment, where a subjects have to answer to a
movie stimuli by moving a joystick backward or forward. According the
subjects response, the video should loom bigger (backward movement)  or
smaller (forward movement).

I thought I could do this by using a feedback object: forward movement
could be coded as correct answer and backward movement as wrong answer. And
a feedback for correct answer could be a video looming smaller and for
incorrect answer there could be a video looming bigger.

I have already added a joystick device to the experimental design, and using
an inLine object I inserted a script  to decode the movement of the
joystick as response, and that works alright. (I found the script from this
forum
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/e-prime/joystic/e-prime/cu8Fm6lbE_I/JcZaf_ORhk8J...
I even use the same joystick!)

Dim nInitY As Integer
Dim nCurrentY As Integer
Dim nDiff As Integer

nInitY = Joystick.CursorY

Do
   nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY
   nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY

Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50

Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read
Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime

If nDiff > 0 Then
   Stimulus.RESP = "Forward"
Else
   Stimulus.RESP = "Backward"
End If

However, I don't know how to make the program to understand the forward
movement as "Correct" answer. I tried to write another inLine script with
my minor programming skills without success:

    If Stimulus.RESP = "Forward" Then
        'Set the ActiveState to Correct
        Feedback.ActiveState = "Correct"
        End If

    If Stimulus.RESP = "Backward" Then
        'Set the ActiveState to Incorrect
        Feedback.ActiveState = "Incorrect"

        End If

Could you help me with that?

Another questions concerns the looming videos: I found that it would be
possible to create looming pictures with a script (
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/e-prime/joystick/e-prime/qD0NwsXD7i4/bk1hMejJ3u8J),
but do you know if that's possible with video stimuli?

Thanks in advance,
Terhi

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From wobaidan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 17:18:10 2012
From: wobaidan at gmail.com (Dan Brenner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:18:10 -0700
Subject: Traveling with the serial response button box
Message-ID: <FRI.29.JUN.2012.101810.0700.>

I'm leaving for New Zealand in a week for data collection, and wondering 
about the power supply for the serial button box. The model we have (200A, 
an older model) specifies 120V/60Hz AC power in, while New Zealand's power 
grid is 240V/50Hz, so different voltage, different alternating frequency. 
If I get a step-down transformer in NZ, will the main frequency still fry 
the button box? The current model button box features 100 - 240VAC in, but 
says nothing about the main frequency. Is the new model likely to have any 
better time with the different main frequency than the model we have? 
Should I invest in the new model, or use a transformer with the model we 
have?

Much obliged for prompt responses. Sorry about the rush. I realized far too 
late that this was an issue.

Dan

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From turquoised13 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 20:49:45 2012
From: turquoised13 at gmail.com (Margot Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:49:45 -0700
Subject: E-Prime srbox will not open on two Dell computers
In-Reply-To: <b2242b38-3378-4f87-ad82-a133acb412ed@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
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On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:08:57 PM UTC-5, Arron Metcalfe wrote:
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. No luck. I am currently going through a
> process of figuring this out with PST tech support. I'll post an
> update on the resolution.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Arron Metcalfe
> Post Doc
>
 
hello Arron,
I am having the same problem with an older EPrime SRBox (4 keys only) and a 
Dell Optiplex 760.  The box is recognized, but not opened; error 10051 
shows repeatedly.  The box itself seems to be fine.  Did you ever find a 
resolution with PST tech support?
thank you
Margot Stothers
PhD Candidate 

>   
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 15:12:41 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:12:41 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
Message-ID: <MON.4.JUN.2012.081241.0700.>

Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the
third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Tue Jun  5 06:41:44 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:41:44 +0300
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <a6da1ec8-19ed-4c08-b5ec-7791e23f97ad@e18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.094144.0300.>

Hi,
Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
combinations. No inline code necessary.
1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
list to randomize. 
2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
"Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
(one column for each attribute):
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
... that's it, works.
You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.

So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
it's actually quite elegant.
Best,
Michiel

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Of Darina
Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
To: E-Prime
Subject: Semi random song play

Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
forth song to be different. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From dwivedilab at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 13:24:50 2012
From: dwivedilab at gmail.com (KC)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:24:50 -0700
Subject: Negative RT Data in E-Prime 1.2
In-Reply-To: <00d801cd3f08$5b6b7670$12426350$@eu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.062450.0700.>

Thank you for your help Michiel. Our data system involves automatized
data filtration such that outliers are highlighted and those
highlighted values must be manually changed to either the upper or
lower cap (i.e.: average +/- 2*standard error). I was able to contact
the student who created these files and learned that, to correct the
outliers, she had simply "input whichever cap removed the highlighting
from the cell." So, the negative RTs were the result of an error in
data cleaning and not our programming in E-Prime. Thank you for your
advice, it really added to my understanding of E-Prime and will be
very helpful in the case that I come across negative RTs again.

Thanks,

KC

On May 31, 4:35?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi KC and list,
> I am not aware of a known bug in E-Prime, especially mighty stable 1.2, that
> could cause this. A general, "internal error" seems unlikely to answer the
> question, so the way to go about it would be to A) replicate the error, and
> B) find out what is responsible for the observation - what part of the bug.
> In general then, the task would be to find out how the observed variable is
> related to actual performance, and either shift them or, as you say, filter
> them.
> Scenario one: there's something going on due to incorrect usage of preload.
> Scenario two: there's incorrect calculation of your reading time. For
> instance:
> An instruction screen is shown, the "reading screen" is shown, which has
> 60000 ms maximum, but a response terminates screen ("after you're done
> reading, press space bar"). Reading time is calculated as "ReadingTime =
> ReadingScreen.RTTime - InstructionScreen.OffsetTime". Now, that would
> normally work, but imagine a person is a very slow reader (a minute passes):
> RTTime is never changed to 0, ergo, 0-8062316=-8062316.
>
> Anyway, my point really is, add some debugging (debug.print) to find out the
> exact relationship between your variable coding and what is going on. Then,
> make a decision if you can really be sure you can just filter negative
> times.
> Cheers,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of KC
> Sent: 30 May 2012 16:43
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Negative RT Data in E-Prime 1.2
>
> I feel I should preface this message by saying that I am not an E- Prime
> expert. I've recently begun working on some data generated in an experiment
> run using E-Prime 1.2. The data was part of an experiment run by another
> student who has since left our lab. I'm cleaning (filtering outliers) the
> raw Reading Time data right now and I'm seeing a lot of negative values. Why
> is this? Some forums have suggested that it is an internal error of the
> program and that the solution is to update to a more recent version of
> E-Prime, however, I cannot re-run the experiment. In terms of analysis, how
> are these values normally dealt with? Any ideas?
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:22:10 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:22:10 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <003301cd42e6$4656fe30$d304fa90$@eu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.112210.0700.>

That works, thank you very much!

On Jun 5, 2:41?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
> Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
> nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
> combinations. No inline code necessary.
> 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
> all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
> list to randomize.
> 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
> another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
> sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
> filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
> 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
> "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
> (one column for each attribute):
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> ... that's it, works.
> You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
> the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
> song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
> randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
> third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
> that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
> showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
> it's actually quite elegant.
> Best,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of Darina
> Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Semi random song play
>
> Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
> forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:35:30 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:35:30 -0700
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.113530.0700.>

Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I
have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the
likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds
into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has
played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6
seconds. How can I do this?

Thank you for any help!

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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:44:30 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <936196d6-0a11-4e70-a40f-5382cd66df7b@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.JUN.2012.114430.0700.>

Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each
play twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I
imagine this requires an in-line code?

Thank you for any help!

On Jun 5, 2:22?pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That works, thank you very much!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:41?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to use a
> > nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the possible different
> > combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", featuring
> > all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". Set the nested
> > list to randomize.
> > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one after
> > another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds (as, i think,
> > sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More importantly, set the
> > filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1], [Song2], .. [Song6].
> > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes with
> > "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the following trials
> > (one column for each attribute):
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> > ... that's it, works.
> > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be randomised, so
> > the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. Thus, in trial 1, SOME
> > song is taken from the full list of songs, that is, the first in the
> > randomised nested list. The second song will be a different one, and the
> > third another different one. The only pre-requisite for the fourth song is
> > that it is either the first or second of the played songs, and so on -
> > showing that there are, in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I think
> > it's actually quite elegant.
> > Best,
> > Michiel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> > Of Darina
> > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > To: E-Prime
> > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the third and
> > forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > Thank you for any help!
>
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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun  6 07:17:27 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:17:27 +0300
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <7b10a920-c05f-4585-a21a-595f9adb27ff@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.101727.0300.>

Hi,
"how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4?"
Well, you should be able to know how to select fewer than the full list of
trials from a list after going through the barest minimum of the getting
started guide to E-Prime. 

"Songs 3 and 4 are different!"
That's what you asked, no? Or do you mean, "only songs 3 and 4 need to be
different, not the rest". That'd be a bit uncommon (usually people want to
avoid repetition in general, if they do this restricted randomisation
thing), but sure, then there are a few combinations which I omitted. Of
course, you could just extend the list by including:
[Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
[Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
...
Not exactly sure whether I now included all different combinations, I really
suggest you figure that one out yourself. Indeed, there are only that many
combinations in total, so you could just write them all out and delete the
ones that your type of randomisation doesn't allow. Sure, takes a while, but
so does writing emails, asking for help, and indeed replying to them. Hope
this helps anyway.
Best,
Michiel


-----Original Message-----
From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Darina
Sent: 05 June 2012 21:45
To: E-Prime
Subject: Re: Semi random song play

Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each play
twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I imagine
this requires an in-line code?

Thank you for any help!

On Jun 5, 2:22?pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> That works, thank you very much!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:41?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to 
> > use a nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the 
> > possible different combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs", 
> > featuring all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs". 
> > Set the nested list to randomize.
> > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one 
> > after another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds 
> > (as, i think, sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More 
> > importantly, set the filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1],
[Song2], .. [Song6].
> > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes 
> > with "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the 
> > following trials (one column for each attribute):
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] 
> > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] ... 
> > that's it, works.
> > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be 
> > randomised, so the first 3 songs only need to be different ones. 
> > Thus, in trial 1, SOME song is taken from the full list of songs, 
> > that is, the first in the randomised nested list. The second song 
> > will be a different one, and the third another different one. The 
> > only pre-requisite for the fourth song is that it is either the 
> > first or second of the played songs, and so on - showing that there are,
in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I 
> > think it's actually quite elegant.
> > Best,
> > Michiel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf
>
> > Of Darina
> > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > To: E-Prime
> > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the 
> > third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > Thank you for any help!
>
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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 14:18:38 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:18:38 -0700
Subject: Semi random song play
In-Reply-To: <002401cd43b4$6dd87910$49896b30$@eu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.071838.0700.>

Randomly selecting trials from a list totally skipped my mind but yes
I see how that is done. Songs 3 and 4 are now different and all
possible combinations are included. Thank you very much for your
help!

On Jun 6, 3:17?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
> "how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4?"
> Well, you should be able to know how to select fewer than the full list of
> trials from a list after going through the barest minimum of the getting
> started guide to E-Prime.
>
> "Songs 3 and 4 are different!"
> That's what you asked, no? Or do you mean, "only songs 3 and 4 need to be
> different, not the rest". That'd be a bit uncommon (usually people want to
> avoid repetition in general, if they do this restricted randomisation
> thing), but sure, then there are a few combinations which I omitted. Of
> course, you could just extend the list by including:
> [Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3]
> [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> ...
> Not exactly sure whether I now included all different combinations, I really
> suggest you figure that one out yourself. Indeed, there are only that many
> combinations in total, so you could just write them all out and delete the
> ones that your type of randomisation doesn't allow. Sure, takes a while, but
> so does writing emails, asking for help, and indeed replying to them. Hope
> this helps anyway.
> Best,
> Michiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>
> Of Darina
> Sent: 05 June 2012 21:45
> To: E-Prime
> Subject: Re: Semi random song play
>
> Songs 3 and 4 are different! Since I only need the 3 songs to each play
> twice, how can I randomly select two trials from the list of 4? I imagine
> this requires an in-line code?
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
> On Jun 5, 2:22?pm, Darina <dashka.... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That works, thank you very much!
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:41?am, "Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape" <msp... at cognitology.eu>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > Presumably, there are different, better methods. My first idea is to
> > > use a nested list, colon syntax, and some consideration of the
> > > possible different combinations. No inline code necessary.
> > > 1. Create a list. Within there, make a nested list, say "songs",
> > > featuring all the songs you have, using one attribute, say, "Songs".
> > > Set the nested list to randomize.
> > > 2. Within the trial procedure, have 6 slides (or whatever), one
> > > after another, (say slide1, slide2, slide3..slide6) with the sounds
> > > (as, i think, sounddevice sub-objects) playing as you see fit. More
> > > importantly, set the filename of each of the sounds to be [Song1],
> [Song2], .. [Song6].
> > > 3. Again, in the list object (not the nested one), make 6 attributes
> > > with "Song1", "Song2".. "Song6". Enter, in the triallist, the
> > > following trials (one column for each attribute):
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] [Songs:2]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:1]
> > > [Songs:1] [Songs:2] [Songs:3] [Songs:2] [Songs:1] [Songs:3] ...
> > > that's it, works.
> > > You see, WHICH song is the first in the list of songs will be
> > > randomised, so the first 3 songs only need to be different ones.
> > > Thus, in trial 1, SOME song is taken from the full list of songs,
> > > that is, the first in the randomised nested list. The second song
> > > will be a different one, and the third another different one. The
> > > only pre-requisite for the fourth song is that it is either the
> > > first or second of the played songs, and so on - showing that there are,
> in fact, only 4 combinations possible.
>
> > > So, may sound like an awkward way of going about these things, but I
> > > think it's actually quite elegant.
> > > Best,
> > > Michiel
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On
> > > Behalf
>
> > > Of Darina
> > > Sent: 04 June 2012 18:13
> > > To: E-Prime
> > > Subject: Semi random song play
>
> > > Hello, I am new to E-Prime so I do not know much about coding.
> > > I need to play 3 songs twice in random order. However, I need the
> > > third and forth song to be different. How can I do this?
>
> > > Thank you for any help!
>
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From ash2003raff at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  7 13:27:29 2012
From: ash2003raff at yahoo.com (ashraf ashraf)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:27:29 -0700
Subject: FWD: I am my own boss try it out for yourself!
Message-ID: <THU.7.JUN.2012.062729.0700.>

<p>all of my friends were sick of lending me money it would be insane to ignore this nothing seemed to work...<br><a href="http://www.ijptjournal.com/newsjournal/69JonathanWalsh/">http://www.ijptjournal.com/newsjournal/69JonathanWalsh/</a> its ironic how the tables have turned<br>dont hesitate trying this out.<br>see you soon!</p>

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From ash2003raff at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 13:19:01 2012
From: ash2003raff at yahoo.com (ashraf ashraf)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 06:19:01 -0700
Subject: Your question...
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.061901.0700.>

<p>ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life I refused to keep living that way.<br><a href="http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/">http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/</a> now people turn to me for financial advice<br>this could be your big break...<br>bye!</p>

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From seanrobertwright at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 16:50:16 2012
From: seanrobertwright at gmail.com (Sean Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:50:16 -0400
Subject: Your question...
In-Reply-To: <1339161541.8435.androidMobile@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.125016.0400.>

Can someone get rid of this guy and his spam?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, ashraf ashraf <ash2003raff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life
> I refused to keep living that way.
> http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/ now people turn to me for
> financial advice
> this could be your big break...
> bye!
>
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From seanrobertwright at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 16:51:05 2012
From: seanrobertwright at gmail.com (Sean Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:51:05 -0400
Subject: Your question...
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Spammer!

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, ashraf ashraf <ash2003raff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ive been frustrated with myself lately this was my ticket to the fast life
> I refused to keep living that way.
> http://havogfyr.no/lastnews/56LeeMurray/ now people turn to me for
> financial advice
> this could be your big break...
> bye!
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From arron.metcalfe at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 22:36:19 2012
From: arron.metcalfe at gmail.com (Arron Metcalfe)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: E-Prime srbox will not open on two Dell computers
In-Reply-To: <a87ba8a2-5691-4d99-99a8-2a8bdcf1224e@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.153619.0700.>

Hi,

Yes finally tracked it back to a Logitech web cam driver that was factory 
installed on both computers even though neither shipped with a webcam. 
Uninstalled this and it worked.

Best of luck,

-Arron

On Sunday, June 3, 2012 1:49:45 PM UTC-7, Margot Elizabeth wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:08:57 PM UTC-5, Arron Metcalfe wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. No luck. I am currently going through a
>> process of figuring this out with PST tech support. I'll post an
>> update on the resolution.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Arron Metcalfe
>> Post Doc
>>
>>  
> hello Arron,
> I am having the same problem with an older EPrime SRBox (4 keys only) and 
> a Dell Optiplex 760.  The box is recognized, but not opened; error 10051 
> shows repeatedly.  The box itself seems to be fine.  Did you ever find a 
> resolution with PST tech support?
> thank you
> Margot Stothers
> PhD Candidate 
>
>>   
>>
>>

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From siegelse at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 16:13:07 2012
From: siegelse at gmail.com (Samantha S)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:13:07 -0700
Subject: Touch Screen Mouse Click
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.091307.0700.>

Hello all,

I'm a little bit stymied over a problem I'm having with my task. Let
me give you some background

About the task: two images appear on the screen, one on the left and
one on the right. An audio file plays saying the name of one of the
images. The participant should be able to touch the image and have it
move on to the next pair. Repeat.

Of course, I want it to record whether or not the image was the one
that was said (a correct response)

My problem: I am not getting ANY response currently. From either a
touch screen or from just using the mouse.

I've sent this problem into PST as well and so far their advice hasn't
gotten me to the right answer (though they've been very helpful and
quick to respond). The mouse device is set to emulate (when on the
touch screen) and the hitTest should be written correctly (PST
confirmed that)


Does anyone on here have any idea why no response would be recorded at
all? When clicked, it moves onto the next screen, but still does not
process that a response occurred (for both touch screen or when i do a
direct mouse click)

This is done in Eprime Professional and the second monitor used is
actually a Tobii computer (though we are not running tobii during this
at all).

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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From ktavabi at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 11 22:14:19 2012
From: ktavabi at googlemail.com (Kam)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:14:19 -0700
Subject: Timing issues
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.151419.0700.>

Hi all,
I'll try to be as brief as possible. I've already read CH 3 of the
user's guide re: timing in e-prime. My question concerns why nothing
to very little of the timing data output in my edat file makes sense
in the context of CH 3.

The experiment is a simple random presentation of sound files of
moderately varying lengths, separated by a random interstimulus
interval. The set-up includes a trial procedure with an inline that
among other things defines a variable SOA set to 100 (for testing
purposes) and the command c.SetAttrib "ISI", SOA to set ISI duration.
Then the trial procedure proceeds with a (1) SoundOutObject called
Stimulus with attributes {buffer size=800ms; buffer mode=streaming;
start/stop offsets=0; loop=no; stop after=yes; end sound action=none;
duration=800; timing mode=event; pre-release=0; sync onset/
offset=none} and (2) pause command called ISI with attributes
{duration=ISI (mentioned above); timing mode=event; pre-release=200;
sync onset/offset=none}. Subsequently the trial procedure terminates
having cycled through a stimulus list and the experiment concludes in
a single Block List. So that is 3 hierarchical procedure levels in all
{session, block, trial} with only 1 block of stimuli.

In my data file what I can make sense of is:
(1) Stimulus.Durations = 800 as defined in the Stimulus attributes
(2) Stimulus.OnsetTime = Stimulus.Start time and occurs before (3)
Stimulus.OffsetTime = Stimulus.FinishTime
(4) Stimulus.DurationError = 0 considering Onset and Offset times
occurred as expected
(5) ISI.Duration = 100 as defined in my inline


And what I cannot make sense of; I would appreciate if anyone can help
me resolve:
(1) There is a cyclical "drift" when I plot Stimulus.OnsetDelay
irrespective of where I use a pre-release (ie., 100-200 msec in either
the Stimulus or ISI-wait objects)
(2) ISI.OnsetTime = ISI.Start time = ISI.OffsetTime = ISI.FinishTime
(3) ISI.DurationError = 100

Generally speaking, there is very little said about proper
implementation of the SoundOut object, and the entire timing
discussion revolves around display refresh rates, which I don't
understand the importance of in a strictly auditory set up. Also, does
anyone know the exact web address where I can download the critical
timing eprime scripts mentioned in the user's guide?

Thanks in advance
Kam

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 12 17:54:22 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:54:22 -0400
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
In-Reply-To: <763abb63-1ed6-4abd-9ffa-d5628a280f58@j25g2000yqn.googlegro
 ups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.135422.0400.>

My thoughts...

Each trial presents a SongSoundOut and a LikertSlide.  Set Duration 
of SoundSoundOut to 24000, Loop to No, StopAfter to No, and End Sound 
Action to (none).  Now the song will start to play, and 24 sec later 
LikertSlide will appear while the song continues to play.  Set 
Duration of LikertSlide to 12000 so that it will remain for 12 sec, 
the first 6 while the song finishes playing, then another 6.  Nothing 
to it, unless I missed something.

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(Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours.  3) In addition, 
PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.)


At 6/5/2012 02:35 PM Tuesday, Darina wrote:
>Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I
>have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the
>likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds
>into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has
>played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6
>seconds. How can I do this?
>
>Thank you for any help!

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From doug.girard at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 22:37:32 2012
From: doug.girard at gmail.com (DGirard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:37:32 -0700
Subject: Ability to change background color startup info screen?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.153732.0700.>

The feature list <http://www.pstnet.com/eprimecompare.cfm> says that 
E-Prime now supports:
"Ability to change background color/customize startup info screen"

I need to change the background color to black (instead of white). How do I 
do this? Can you please point to the documentation for this feature?

(I tried posting this on PST's forums, but no one would respond. Maybe 
better luck on here?)

Thanks,

Doug Girard
President, Nirodha Software

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From elinebp at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 13 06:46:30 2012
From: elinebp at hotmail.com (ELine)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:46:30 -0700
Subject: Ability to change background color startup info screen?
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Hi Doug

You can change the background color of the info screen by going into
Edit -> Experiment -> Devices -> choose Display and press Edit ->
Default Background Color.

That will only change the color of the very first screen that is
displayed just before the experiment is run.
Changing the background color of the rest of your experiment can be
done in the individual slides/displays. If you want a special color
which, you can use InLine to set a specific RGB color:

for text displays:
TextDisplay.BackColor = CColor("240,240,240")

for slides:
Dim theState As SlideState
Set theState = mySlide.States("Default")
theState.BackColor = CColor("240,240,240")


I hope you can use it.

Eline

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 14 15:22:54 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:22:54 -0400
Subject: Timing issues
In-Reply-To: <8c6fcdee-3f67-437b-a1ac-55221833ecec@oo8g2000pbc.googlegro
 ups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.JUN.2012.112254.0400.>

Kam,

Good, you worked through Chapter 3 of the User's Guide.  Next, 
supplement that with my explanation of EP time audit measures at 
http://groups.google.com/group/e-prime/browse_thread/thread/39e899d3457d4917?pli=1 
.  Then you will see that your results are exactly what you should 
expect.  In particular, regarding the points you want resolved:

(2) These all are about the same because, with PreRelease >= 
Duration, execution of the object ends as soon as possible after it begins.

(3) ISI.DurationError  =  ISI.OffsetTime + ISI.PreRelease - 
ISI.OnsetTime - ISI.Duration  =  t + 200 - t - 100  =  100.

(1) I don't know what makes your ISI.OnsetDelay drift "cyclical", but 
the drift itself simply results from natural delays in starting 
execution of ISI after ending exection of Stimulus.  Remember, a 
PreRelease may help reduce OnsetDelays in the *following* object, it 
has no such effect on the object that has the PreRelease.

That said, a few more comments:

- You correctly see that syncing with screen refresh almost never 
makes sense for auditory stimuli (I don't think PST explains this 
very well).  Corroborating this, the latest release of EP2 
(2.0.10.182) now corrects the default value of Onset Sync to (none) 
for SoundOut objects.

- You might think further about whether Event or Cumulative timing 
mode makes the most sense for your project.

- To get links for the Critical Timing example programs, submit a 
request to PST Web Support at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp .

-----
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
-----

Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.


At 6/11/2012 06:14 PM Monday, Kam wrote:
>Hi all,
>I'll try to be as brief as possible. I've already read CH 3 of the
>user's guide re: timing in e-prime. My question concerns why nothing
>to very little of the timing data output in my edat file makes sense
>in the context of CH 3.
>
>The experiment is a simple random presentation of sound files of
>moderately varying lengths, separated by a random interstimulus
>interval. The set-up includes a trial procedure with an inline that
>among other things defines a variable SOA set to 100 (for testing
>purposes) and the command c.SetAttrib "ISI", SOA to set ISI duration.
>Then the trial procedure proceeds with a (1) SoundOutObject called
>Stimulus with attributes {buffer size=800ms; buffer mode=streaming;
>start/stop offsets=0; loop=no; stop after=yes; end sound action=none;
>duration=800; timing mode=event; pre-release=0; sync onset/
>offset=none} and (2) pause command called ISI with attributes
>{duration=ISI (mentioned above); timing mode=event; pre-release=200;
>sync onset/offset=none}. Subsequently the trial procedure terminates
>having cycled through a stimulus list and the experiment concludes in
>a single Block List. So that is 3 hierarchical procedure levels in all
>{session, block, trial} with only 1 block of stimuli.
>
>In my data file what I can make sense of is:
>(1) Stimulus.Durations = 800 as defined in the Stimulus attributes
>(2) Stimulus.OnsetTime = Stimulus.Start time and occurs before (3)
>Stimulus.OffsetTime = Stimulus.FinishTime
>(4) Stimulus.DurationError = 0 considering Onset and Offset times
>occurred as expected
>(5) ISI.Duration = 100 as defined in my inline
>
>
>And what I cannot make sense of; I would appreciate if anyone can help
>me resolve:
>(1) There is a cyclical "drift" when I plot Stimulus.OnsetDelay
>irrespective of where I use a pre-release (ie., 100-200 msec in either
>the Stimulus or ISI-wait objects)
>(2) ISI.OnsetTime = ISI.Start time = ISI.OffsetTime = ISI.FinishTime
>(3) ISI.DurationError = 100
>
>Generally speaking, there is very little said about proper
>implementation of the SoundOut object, and the entire timing
>discussion revolves around display refresh rates, which I don't
>understand the importance of in a strictly auditory set up. Also, does
>anyone know the exact web address where I can download the critical
>timing eprime scripts mentioned in the user's guide?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Kam

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From dominic.freschi at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 21:01:12 2012
From: dominic.freschi at gmail.com (Dominic Freschi)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:01:12 -0700
Subject: Multiple Choice Questions
Message-ID: <FRI.15.JUN.2012.140112.0700.>

I am a student user of E-Prime software and am attempting to design an 
experiment for my Summer Research Internship. I have been scanning these 
topics, and see that people have been able to create multiple choice 
questions within their experiments. I am lost on how to do this as I am not 
an avid programmer. 

If anyone could please give me simplistic instructions on how to create 
multiple choice questions, and potentially fill-in answer type questions I 
would most appreciate it. 

Thank you. 

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From liwenna at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 11:09:11 2012
From: liwenna at gmail.com (Anne-Wil)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:09:11 -0700
Subject: Multiple Choice Questions
In-Reply-To: <f6fad2b0-dfa6-4274-bbfc-bdc9c9ac26ee@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.JUN.2012.040911.0700.>

Hi Dominic,

The details depend a bit on your exact needs, but the general set-up would 
be to have 4 (or whatever amount of options you'd have) textboxes on a 
slide that people can click on and then reading out the name of the textbox 
that was clicked on with a piece of script known as 'dohittest'. I paste 
'dohittest' under this message. The original script (embedded in an estudio 
file) can be downloaded at the PST website: 
http://support.pstnet.com/support/samples.asp?Mode=View&SampleID=5 .

Good luck,

Anne-Wil 


*********** 
'Designate "theState" as the Default Slide State, which is the 
'current, ActiveState on the Slide object "Stimulus" 
Dim theState as SlideState 
Set theState = ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.States("
Default") 

Dim strHit As String 
Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData 


'Was there a response? 
If  ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.InputMasks.Responses.Count > 0 Then 

'Get the mouse response 
Set theMouseResponseData = 
CMouseResponseData( ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.InputMasks.Responses(1)) 

'Determine string name of SlideImage or SlideText object at 
'mouse click coordinates. Assign that value to strHit 
strHit = theState.HitTest(theMouseResponseData.CursorX, 
theMouseResponseData.CursorY) 

'Compare string name where mouse click occurred to CorrectAnswer 
'attribute on each trial, and score response 
'NOTE: This comparison is case sensitive 

If strHit = c.GetAttrib("Correctresp") Then 
ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.ACC = 1 
Else 
ENTERNAMEOFSLIDEHERE.ACC = 0 
End If 


End If 
c.SetAttrib "response", strHit 

****

On Friday, 15 June 2012 23:01:12 UTC+2, Dominic Freschi wrote:
>
> I am a student user of E-Prime software and am attempting to design an 
> experiment for my Summer Research Internship. I have been scanning these 
> topics, and see that people have been able to create multiple choice 
> questions within their experiments. I am lost on how to do this as I am not 
> an avid programmer. 
>
> If anyone could please give me simplistic instructions on how to create 
> multiple choice questions, and potentially fill-in answer type questions I 
> would most appreciate it. 
>
> Thank you. 
>

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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 17 13:23:36 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:23:36 -0700
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously
Message-ID: <SUN.17.JUN.2012.062336.0700.>

I've already asked a few questions about this, but i realized the answers 
to my problem were only acceptable if i were in possess of E-Prime 2.0. 
Unfortunately, i'm working on E-Prime 1.0. I still think/hope there might 
be a solution to this, so i'll try to explain again:
I have to show 15 pictures in succession (as if they were a video, more 
specifically the video of a guy showing an expression of disgust), and at 
the same time they have to hear an audio stimuli (the sound of a person 
expressing fear), after they will have to choose which emotion they saw. 
The audio lasts 500 ms, and i have to make the video last the same amount 
of time (when i tried to do a no-audio version of the experiment, i just 
made evry picture last 33 ms, it worked good, looked like a video). The 
problem is that these 15 pictures have to be shown during the audio. I 
tried making a GIF animated picture with the 15 pictures in sequence, but 
e-prime 1.0 is not compatible with gif pictures. I thought of making a 
video, but e-prime 1.0 doesn't work with videos. Is there a way i can work 
with the structure of the experiment so that i can do this? Because i've 
tried putting a slide with the first picture and the audio followed by 
imagedisplays of the other 14 pictures, but it doesn't get to the second 
picture before completing the audio, and that's not what i need.
Any help?
thank you in advance.

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Mon Jun 18 07:56:15 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:56:15 +0300
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <662aa6ea-7b50-40bc-9361-e28637dfed43@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.105615.0300.>

Hi,

This is very easily done with E-Prime 1 (though I hope you do have the final
version of it installed - not 1.0). That is, you can easily just play a
sound and have the rest of the experiment continue, in parallel. So, every
trial, show:

1. A slide of duration 500/15 (33 ms or so). On this slide, and every next
one, you show the image. However, only on this slide, you initiate the
audio. Insert a sound sub-object thingy which points to the right file, with
buffer of size at least as long as the longest audio file you intend to
play. Crucially, set StopAfter to false, so that the audio continues playing
even if the slide is no longer visible.

2. Insert images 2-15, either using slides or just imagedisplays. 

 

Easy and should work. It's better, IMHO, than using animated .gifs (despite
http://www.dailydot.com/culture/25-year-anniversary-gifs-collection/ ), or
video files, because you can never be all that sure as to whether frames are
correctly timed. 

Best,

Mich

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Massimiliano Elia
Sent: 17 June 2012 16:24
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: E-Prime 1.0 and presenting more stimuli simultaneously

 

I've already asked a few questions about this, but i realized the answers to
my problem were only acceptable if i were in possess of E-Prime 2.0.
Unfortunately, i'm working on E-Prime 1.0. I still think/hope there might be
a solution to this, so i'll try to explain again:

I have to show 15 pictures in succession (as if they were a video, more
specifically the video of a guy showing an expression of disgust), and at
the same time they have to hear an audio stimuli (the sound of a person
expressing fear), after they will have to choose which emotion they saw. The
audio lasts 500 ms, and i have to make the video last the same amount of
time (when i tried to do a no-audio version of the experiment, i just made
evry picture last 33 ms, it worked good, looked like a video). The problem
is that these 15 pictures have to be shown during the audio. I tried making
a GIF animated picture with the 15 pictures in sequence, but e-prime 1.0 is
not compatible with gif pictures. I thought of making a video, but e-prime
1.0 doesn't work with videos. Is there a way i can work with the structure
of the experiment so that i can do this? Because i've tried putting a slide
with the first picture and the audio followed by imagedisplays of the other
14 pictures, but it doesn't get to the second picture before completing the
audio, and that's not what i need.
Any help?

thank you in advance.

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From dashka.326 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 14:17:11 2012
From: dashka.326 at gmail.com (Darina)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:17:11 -0700
Subject: Presenting a scale while listening to music
In-Reply-To: <763abb63-1ed6-4abd-9ffa-d5628a280f58@j25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.071711.0700.>

It works, thank you!

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:35:30 PM UTC-4, Darina wrote:
>
> Hello. I have a list of 3 songs that will play twice for 30 seconds. I 
> have a likert scale that follows each song for 12 seconds. I need the 
> likert scale to appear 6 seconds before each song ends, so 24 seconds 
> into the song the scale should appear. The song will end when it has 
> played for 30 seconds and the scale will stay for the remaining 6 
> seconds. How can I do this? 
>
> Thank you for any help!

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 19:53:18 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:53:18 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
Message-ID: <MON.18.JUN.2012.125318.0700.>

Hello,

I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants will 
click an area of the screen, following which an image should appear in that 
location.

What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an image 
object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to set the X 
and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically changes 
this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".

In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this inline-code 
after the slide object:
Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.
InputMasks.Responses(1))
c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 

Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the center 
(most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).

Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
Johannes Bjerva

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 07:48:41 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:48:41 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
In-Reply-To: <51edd44c-8feb-410b-b692-c8ee463300c7@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.004841.0700.>

I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, which is 
set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute.
That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of ":center", 
as I first assumed.

Problem solved! :)


On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants will 
> click an area of the screen, following which an image should appear in that 
> location.
>
> What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an image 
> object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to set the X 
> and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
> "[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically changes 
> this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".
>
> In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this inline-code 
> after the slide object:
> Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
> Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.
> InputMasks.Responses(1))
> c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
> c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 
>
> Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
> perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
> However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the center 
> (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).
>
> Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.
>
> Kind regards,
> Johannes Bjerva
>
>

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 14:32:59 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:32:59 -0400
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.103259.0400.>

For those of you not already on the PST mailing 
list.  This announcement refers to 
EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows for 
installation and use of multiple Subject Station 
versions, so that we can continue to run 
experiments made with older versions while making 
new experiments using the new version.

-- David McFarlane


>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
>From: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>Reply-To: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:13:21 +0000
>Sender: "Psychology Software Tools, Inc." 
><info=pstnet.com at mail95.us2.rsgsv.net>
>
>
>E-Prime 2.0 Now in Production Release!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Psychology Software Tools is proud to announce 
>that E-Prime 2.0 is complete and in production! 
>We would like to thank you for your support as 
>we have developed the final features of E-Prime 
>2.0. If you have purchased E-Prime 2.0 Release 
>Candidate, you are encouraged to 
><http://pstnet.us1.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=f80e7472577cb5c410b276814&id=f2eb5999b9&e=91cdee397e>download 
>the Production Release update on our support site at no cost.
>
>If you are using an E-Prime Extensions product, 
>you should continue to use the E-Prime 2.0 
>Release Candidate version (2.0.8.90) until there 
>is an additional announcement that provides an 
>update for the E-Prime Extension products (Target 30-60 days).
>
><http://us1.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=f80e7472577cb5c410b276814&id=dfd8674cb1&e=91cdee397e>Forward 
>this announcement to a friend.
>
>The Production Release of E-Prime 2.0 offers 
>many new features that will enhance the user 
>experience and provide valuable tools for experiment design including:
>
>    * Experiment Advisor
>    * Enhancements to script language (ScriptSense, AttribSense)
>    * Task Events
>    * Multiple Correct Answers
>    * Auto Response
>    * Enhanced Joystick Support
>    * SoundIn
>    * And More!
>
>What's New:
>
>* Some new features are only available in E-Prime 2.0 Professional.
>New Feature Description
>Multiple Instances of E-Studio Multiple 
>instances of the E-Studio application can be open simultaneously.
>Copy and Paste Objects between Experiments Exact 
>copies of objects may be created between experiments.
>ScriptSense&#153* Authoring and editing E-Basic 
>script is enhanced with ScriptSense&#153, a 
>code-completion and editing tool. 
>ScriptSense&#153 is similar to Microsoft???s 
>Intellisense&#153 system; both systems provide 
>automatic completion of commands and 
>context-sensitive information about available coding elements.
>AttribSense&#153* AttribSense&#153 is an 
>auto-completion tool that is enabled on a Text 
>or Slide object where references can be made to 
>attributes using the [AttribName] notation.
>Toolbox Defaults* Ability to customize the 
>default properties of objects when they are 
>added to the experiment from the Toolbox.
>MovieDisplay Object Supports the presentation of 
>pre-recorded digital video in DivX, XVid, 
>MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H-264, WMV formats using 
>the MovieDisplay object and SlideMovie sub-object.
>SoundIn Object The SoundIn object and 
>SlideSoundIn sub-object are used to record vocal 
>responses from the subject in the WAV format.
>PackageFile Editor* The PackageFile Editor 
>application can be used to create and modify 
>package files ? reusable blocks of E-Basic 
>script that are added to E-Primme experiments via the PackageCall object.
>StartupInfo Editor* The StartupInfo Editor 
>application can be used to create and modify 
>StartupInfo files ? XMLbased documents used to 
>load name/value pairs into the Context object of an experiment.
>Experiment Advisor* The Experiment Advisor 
>provides the ability to detect design and timing 
>errors in E-Studio and E-Run. In addition, 
>statistics on the OnsetToOnsetTime, OnsetDelay, 
>and LoadTime of objects can be reported.
>Auto Response* Auto Response enables E-Prime 2.0 
>to automatically provide a response to any 
>objects which require the subject to make a keyboard response.
>
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>Enhanced Functionality Description
>Support for Multiple Video Displays* 
>Presentation of stimuli on multiple video displays
>Support for UNICODE and International Fonts 
>Presentation of UNICODE and international fonts
>Support for Additional Image Formats 
>Presentation of image files in multiple formats 
>(BMP, JPG, JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIF, TIFF, EMF, WMF)
>Procedure.GenerateLabels Property E-Prime 2.0 
>introduces the Procedure.GenerateLabels 
>property. This allows for a generic mechanism 
>for an experiment author to jump to different portions of a trial.
>Enhanced Sound Support E-Prime 2.0 introduces 
>the ability to choose the underlying API used to 
>assist with talking to sound hardware when run during an experiment.
>Stretch Mode E-Prime 2.0 offers additional 
>choices on how to render image and movie 
>components when using the Stretch property.
>New List sampling randomization feature E-Prime 
>2.0 includes a new option that applies when 
>sampling stimuli from a List Object: No repeat randomization.
>Conditional Exit* E-Prime 2.0 Professional 
>introduces the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace key 
>sequence to invoke Conditional Exit. When 
>invoked, the currently running object will exit.
>Hyperlinks for output files* E-Prime 2.0 
>Professional provides the ability to view any 
>output files that are created by the experiment. 
>In addition, the files can be accessed by simply 
>clicking on their hyperlink in Generate Window.
>Customized DataFileName* Customization of the data file name
>Invalid Version Protection E-Prime 2.0 
>introduces the ability to protect the runtime 
>from extensions that are deemed too old or new 
>for the currently running system.
>
>
>New Timing Options Description
>Task Events* Task Events expands the E-Prime 2.0 
>Professional synchronization capabilities by 
>offering a wide variety of options to take 
>action when specific time critical events occur during an experiment.
>PreRelease default to ???same as duration??  The 
>default for PreRelease has been changed to 
>???same as duration??  which results in the 
>object passing its entire duration to be absorbed by the next object.
>DisplayDevice.FlippingEnabled Display back 
>buffer flipping is enabled by default for new experiments.
>RefreshAlignment RefreshAlignment is the ability 
>for the display scheduling in E-Prime to start 
>an object early if the next refresh is just 
>prior to the next target onset time of an object.
>Procedure.GenerateLabels Property When set to 
>Yes (default), the Procedure will generate the 
>Procedure_Start, Procedure_ Timeline_Start, 
>Procedure_Timeline_Finish, and Procedure_Finish E-Basic script labels.
>Clock GUI The ability to choose from available clocks via the E-Studio GUI.
>Stop After Mode Stop After Mode can be used in 
>conjunction with PreRelease and Stop After to 
>obtain the expected experiment performance.
>Object.GeneratePreRun and Object.
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>of having all of the objects load their 
>properties at a non- time critical portion of an experiment.
>InputMask.TimeLimit ???end of proc??  option To 
>avoid the side effects of choosing ???same as 
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 15:01:18 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:01:18 -0400
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
In-Reply-To: <efce5618-5d5c-4a6e-a17a-45cec061fa1c@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.110118.0400.>

Johannes,

Glad you sorted it out.  Just a bit of explanation about the 
":center", that happens when you use an attribute reference (e.g., 
[x]) for an X or Y Posiiton, and I do not think that PST explains 
this anywhere.  Think about it -- When you use an attribute 
reference, EP does not know until run time what position to use.  But 
during design time, it still has to place the object at some example 
position.  Where should it put the object during design time?  The 
":center" merely indicates where the object will appear on the 
*design* surface, and then the object will move to the referred 
position at *run* time.

And if you like, you could replace ":center" with a position of your 
choice.  E.g., "[x]:25%" would place the object 25% from the left of 
the design surface during design time, while "[x]:150" would place 
the object 150 pixels from the left during design time, and in each 
case would place the object at the value of [x] at run time.  Does 
that clarify things?

---------------
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
---------------

Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.


At 6/19/2012 03:48 AM Tuesday, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, 
>which is set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute.
>That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of 
>":center", as I first assumed.
>
>Problem solved! :)
>
>
>On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants 
>will click an area of the screen, following which an image should 
>appear in that location.
>
>What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an 
>image object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to 
>set the X and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and
>"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically 
>changes this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center".
>
>In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this 
>inline-code after the slide object:
>Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData
>Set theMouseResponseData = CMouseResponseData(Slide1.InputMasks.Responses(1))
>c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX
>c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY
>
>Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
>perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files.
>However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the 
>center (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes).
>
>Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kind regards,
>Johannes Bjerva

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From johannesbjerva at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 15:26:05 2012
From: johannesbjerva at gmail.com (Johannes Bjerva)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:26:05 -0700
Subject: Changing image position according to xy-coordinates from
 mouseclicks
In-Reply-To: <4fe0943f.8a05320a.4d60.ffffa5c9SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.082605.0700.>

David,

That makes a lot of sense!
Thanks for the tip.

Johannes

On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01:18 UTC+2, McFarlane, David wrote:
>
> Johannes, 
>
> Glad you sorted it out.  Just a bit of explanation about the 
> ":center", that happens when you use an attribute reference (e.g., 
> [x]) for an X or Y Posiiton, and I do not think that PST explains 
> this anywhere.  Think about it -- When you use an attribute 
> reference, EP does not know until run time what position to use.  But 
> during design time, it still has to place the object at some example 
> position.  Where should it put the object during design time?  The 
> ":center" merely indicates where the object will appear on the 
> *design* surface, and then the object will move to the referred 
> position at *run* time. 
>
> And if you like, you could replace ":center" with a position of your 
> choice.  E.g., "[x]:25%" would place the object 25% from the left of 
> the design surface during design time, while "[x]:150" would place 
> the object 150 pixels from the left during design time, and in each 
> case would place the object at the value of [x] at run time.  Does 
> that clarify things? 
>
> --------------- 
> David McFarlane 
> E-Prime training 
> online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx 
> Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster) 
> --------------- 
>
> Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
> take any and all questions at 
> http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
> strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
> much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
> it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
> (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
> ), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
> channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
> though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
> the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others. 
>
>
> At 6/19/2012 03:48 AM Tuesday, Johannes Bjerva wrote: 
> >I managed to solve the problem through using a global variable, 
> >which is set by the mouse coordinates, rather than an attribute. 
> >That is to say, the problem was not in the automatic addition of 
> >":center", as I first assumed. 
> > 
> >Problem solved! :) 
> > 
> > 
> >On Monday, 18 June 2012 21:53:18 UTC+2, Johannes Bjerva wrote: 
> >Hello, 
> > 
> >I am currently developing an experiment in which the participants 
> >will click an area of the screen, following which an image should 
> >appear in that location. 
> > 
> >What I have tried so far is having a slide object containing an 
> >image object. In the image object's sub-property pages I've tried to 
> >set the X and Y positions to the attributes "[PicPosX]" and 
> >"[PicPosY]". However, once I click apply, E-Prime automatically 
> >changes this to "[PicPosX]:center" and "[PicPosY]:center". 
> > 
> >In order to get the coordinates themselves, I have added this 
> >inline-code after the slide object: 
> >Dim theMouseResponseData As MouseResponseData 
> >Set theMouseResponseData = 
> CMouseResponseData(Slide1.InputMasks.Responses(1)) 
> >c.SetAttrib "PicPosX", theMouseResponseData.CursorX 
> >c.SetAttrib "PicPosY", theMouseResponseData.CursorY 
> > 
> >Obtaining the coordinates and setting the attributes seems to work 
> >perfectly, since I can see the coordinates in the resulting data files. 
> >However, the image does not change positions, but remains in the 
> >center (most likely due to E-Prime's :center-addition to my attributes). 
> > 
> >Any help in solving this problem would, of course, be greatly 
> appreciated. 
> > 
> >Kind regards, 
> >Johannes Bjerva 
>
>

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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Tue Jun 19 15:46:35 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:46:35 +0100
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
In-Reply-To: <4fe08da2.64a9320a.4674.ffffa20fSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.164635.0100.>

thank you David for the clarification - we have been wondering about 
when to start making the big transition.
cheers,
david

On 19/06/2012 15:32, David McFarlane wrote:
> For those of you not already on the PST mailing list.  This 
> announcement refers to EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows 
> for installation and use of multiple Subject Station versions, so that 
> we can continue to run experiments made with older versions while 
> making new experiments using the new version.
>
> -- David McFarlane
>
>
>> Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
>> From: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>> Reply-To: Psychology Software Tools, Inc. <info at pstnet.com>
>> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:13:21 +0000
>> Sender: "Psychology Software Tools, Inc." 
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>>
>>
>> E-Prime 2.0 Now in Production Release!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Psychology Software Tools is proud to announce that E-Prime 2.0 is 
>> complete and in production! We would like to thank you for your 
>> support as we have developed the final features of E-Prime 2.0. If 
>> you have purchased E-Prime 2.0 Release Candidate, you are encouraged 
>> to 
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>> If you are using an E-Prime Extensions product, you should continue 
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>> there is an additional announcement that provides an update for the 
>> E-Prime Extension products (Target 30-60 days).
>>
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>>
>> The Production Release of E-Prime 2.0 offers many new features that 
>> will enhance the user experience and provide valuable tools for 
>> experiment design including:
>>
>>    * Experiment Advisor
>>    * Enhancements to script language (ScriptSense, AttribSense)
>>    * Task Events
>>    * Multiple Correct Answers
>>    * Auto Response
>>    * Enhanced Joystick Support
>>    * SoundIn
>>    * And More!
>>
>> What's New:
>>
>> * Some new features are only available in E-Prime 2.0 Professional.
>> New Feature Description
>> Multiple Instances of E-Studio Multiple instances of the E-Studio 
>> application can be open simultaneously.
>> Copy and Paste Objects between Experiments Exact copies of objects 
>> may be created between experiments.
>> ScriptSense&#153* Authoring and editing E-Basic script is enhanced 
>> with ScriptSense&#153, a code-completion and editing tool. 
>> ScriptSense&#153 is similar to Microsoft???s Intellisense&#153 
>> system; both systems provide automatic completion of commands and 
>> context-sensitive information about available coding elements.
>> AttribSense&#153* AttribSense&#153 is an auto-completion tool that is 
>> enabled on a Text or Slide object where references can be made to 
>> attributes using the [AttribName] notation.
>> Toolbox Defaults* Ability to customize the default properties of 
>> objects when they are added to the experiment from the Toolbox.
>> MovieDisplay Object Supports the presentation of pre-recorded digital 
>> video in DivX, XVid, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H-264, WMV formats using 
>> the MovieDisplay object and SlideMovie sub-object.
>> SoundIn Object The SoundIn object and SlideSoundIn sub-object are 
>> used to record vocal responses from the subject in the WAV format.
>> PackageFile Editor* The PackageFile Editor application can be used to 
>> create and modify package files ? reusable blocks of E-Basic script 
>> that are added to E-Primme experiments via the PackageCall object.
>> StartupInfo Editor* The StartupInfo Editor application can be used to 
>> create and modify StartupInfo files ? XMLbased documents used to load 
>> name/value pairs into the Context object of an experiment.
>> Experiment Advisor* The Experiment Advisor provides the ability to 
>> detect design and timing errors in E-Studio and E-Run. In addition, 
>> statistics on the OnsetToOnsetTime, OnsetDelay, and LoadTime of 
>> objects can be reported.
>> Auto Response* Auto Response enables E-Prime 2.0 to automatically 
>> provide a response to any objects which require the subject to make a 
>> keyboard response.
>>
>>
>> Enhanced Functionality Description
>> Support for Multiple Video Displays* Presentation of stimuli on 
>> multiple video displays
>> Support for UNICODE and International Fonts Presentation of UNICODE 
>> and international fonts
>> Support for Additional Image Formats Presentation of image files in 
>> multiple formats (BMP, JPG, JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIF, TIFF, EMF, WMF)
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels Property E-Prime 2.0 introduces the 
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels property. This allows for a generic 
>> mechanism for an experiment author to jump to different portions of a 
>> trial.
>> Enhanced Sound Support E-Prime 2.0 introduces the ability to choose 
>> the underlying API used to assist with talking to sound hardware when 
>> run during an experiment.
>> Stretch Mode E-Prime 2.0 offers additional choices on how to render 
>> image and movie components when using the Stretch property.
>> New List sampling randomization feature E-Prime 2.0 includes a new 
>> option that applies when sampling stimuli from a List Object: No 
>> repeat randomization.
>> Conditional Exit* E-Prime 2.0 Professional introduces the use of the 
>> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace key sequence to invoke Conditional Exit. When 
>> invoked, the currently running object will exit.
>> Hyperlinks for output files* E-Prime 2.0 Professional provides the 
>> ability to view any output files that are created by the experiment. 
>> In addition, the files can be accessed by simply clicking on their 
>> hyperlink in Generate Window.
>> Customized DataFileName* Customization of the data file name
>> Invalid Version Protection E-Prime 2.0 introduces the ability to 
>> protect the runtime from extensions that are deemed too old or new 
>> for the currently running system.
>>
>>
>> New Timing Options Description
>> Task Events* Task Events expands the E-Prime 2.0 Professional 
>> synchronization capabilities by offering a wide variety of options to 
>> take action when specific time critical events occur during an 
>> experiment.
>> PreRelease default to ???same as duration??  The default for 
>> PreRelease has been changed to ???same as duration??  which results 
>> in the object passing its entire duration to be absorbed by the next 
>> object.
>> DisplayDevice.FlippingEnabled Display back buffer flipping is enabled 
>> by default for new experiments.
>> RefreshAlignment RefreshAlignment is the ability for the display 
>> scheduling in E-Prime to start an object early if the next refresh is 
>> just prior to the next target onset time of an object.
>> Procedure.GenerateLabels Property When set to Yes (default), the 
>> Procedure will generate the Procedure_Start, Procedure_ 
>> Timeline_Start, Procedure_Timeline_Finish, and Procedure_Finish 
>> E-Basic script labels.
>> Clock GUI The ability to choose from available clocks via the 
>> E-Studio GUI.
>> Stop After Mode Stop After Mode can be used in conjunction with 
>> PreRelease and Stop After to obtain the expected experiment performance.
>> Object.GeneratePreRun and Object.
>> GeneratePostRun Property The GeneratePreRun and GeneratePostRun 
>> properties provide the benefit of having all of the objects load 
>> their properties at a non- time critical portion of an experiment.
>> InputMask.TimeLimit ???end of proc??  option To avoid the side 
>> effects of choosing ???same as duration??  or ???infinite??  for the 
>> Time Limit property of an input mask, an end of procedure option is 
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From c.jones.phd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 18:43:25 2012
From: c.jones.phd at gmail.com (Chris Jones)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:43:25 -0700
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <3345e4a50904220617p5f99e53csa578ac28c3d52c55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.114325.0700.>

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this 
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel 
response box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until 
the fall and I want some data now... 
 
The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the 
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid 
data - particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what 
Mich (Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere 
about psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing 
precision... 
 
Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example 
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360
 
and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers 
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  
 
____________________________________
 
DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input 
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming 
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to 
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a 
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the 
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or 
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows 
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput 
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.
__________________________________________
 
...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to 
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 
 
And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or 
the type, "response box"?  
 
And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can 
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to 
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  
 
Thanks so much, 
Chris 
 
Chris Jones, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
Kwantlen Polytechnic University
Surrey, BC, Canada 
 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

> i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the 
> years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response 
> boxes. 
> both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this 
> type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the 
> manufacturer's website and which allows you to assign a value to the 
> various controller buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard 
> button presses, so all you need to do in eprime is set the object 
> collecting responses to look for a keyboard response (as opposed to a 
> response from a mouse or a pst response box).  for instance, set the object 
> to accept '0' or '1', and then assign one button on the controller to be 
> '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all the other buttons, and you're 
> good to go.
> pretty straight forward.
>
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=US,EN
>
> ben
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
>> do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
>> gamepad?
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:
>> > we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>> >
>> > On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
>> > > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
>> > > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
>> > > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
>> > > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
>> > > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
>> > > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
>> > > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
>> > > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
>> > > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
>> > > appreciate any feedback!
>> > > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
>> > > Assistant Professor
>> > > Department of Psychology
>> > > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>  
>>
>

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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 19:20:40 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:20:40 -0400
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <f8bbf31c-a2b7-40f2-86e1-822942a093e0@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.152040.0400.>

Did someone say my name?
To find a driver for the controller you linked above, follow that
link, then click on the Support tab (Overview, Features, Images,
Specifications, Support), then in the upper right of the screen you'll
see a link to Software Downloads.
Thereafter should be pretty intuitive. Once the driver is installed
assign keyboard buttons to your controller buttons, and enable the
same keyboard input on your eprime object collecting responses. It
should work just the same as your keyboard.

ben

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Chris Jones <c.jones.phd at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.? I came to this
> group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
> box.? My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
> and I want some data now...
>
> The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
> psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
> - particularly in a?stop signal paradigm.?? Seems to fit with what Mich
> (Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
> psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
> precision...
>
> Just to?review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
> http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360
>
> and download a driver...? I don't actually see a place to download drivers
> of the type?Ben describes, but there is this information:
>
> ____________________________________
>
> DirectInput (D)
>
> DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
> functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
> Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
> do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.
>
> You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
> specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
> gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
> mouse.
>
> NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
> systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
> mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.
>
> __________________________________________
>
> ...And so using?a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
> assign an ASCII key or number?to one or more?gamepad buttons, right?
>
> And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input?device or
> the?type, "response box"?
>
> And then what about the timing errors??? I'm not so concerned, but can
> anyone estimate the?timing errors for data logging???Is there a?way to
> minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Chris
>
> Chris Jones, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> Kwantlen Polytechnic University
> Surrey, BC, Canada
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:
>>
>> i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
>> years. ?they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
>> boxes.
>> both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
>> type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
>> website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
>> buttons. ?presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
>> you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
>> a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
>> box). ?for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
>> one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
>> the other buttons, and you're good to go.
>> pretty straight forward.
>>
>> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=US,EN
>>
>> ben
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
>>> do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
>>> gamepad?
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 9:20?am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:
>>> > we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
>>> > > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
>>> > > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
>>> > > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
>>> > > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
>>> > > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
>>> > > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may
>>> > > be
>>> > > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
>>> > > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
>>> > > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
>>> > > appreciate any feedback!
>>> > > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
>>> > > Assistant Professor
>>> > > Department of Psychology
>>> > > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>>> >
>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Tue Jun 19 20:04:05 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:04:05 -0400
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <f8bbf31c-a2b7-40f2-86e1-822942a093e0@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.160405.0400.>

I like Ben's suggestion of the Logitech Precision Gamepad, may want 
to use that myself some time...

At 6/19/2012 02:43 PM Tuesday, Chris Jones wrote:
>I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came 
>to this group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or 
>parallel response box.  My department won't be able to approve a 
>response box until the fall and I want some data now...

... but since you mention that, for the record a "parallel" response 
box is nothing more than some passive switches connected to a 
suitable digital I/O port.  I have made several of these for our use, 
parts might run about US$30-40 (most of that just for the 
high-quality pushbutton switches that we use).  They offer several advantages:

- No AC cord, which addresses the concern of the original poster.
- Negligible response latency.
- Trivial for any electronic hobbyist to build (just some switches, 
wire, a box, and appropriate connectors).
- Can use buttons with mechanical characteristics that suit you.
- Can use custom number of buttons and layout.

Some disadvantages:

- Does require access to someone with basic electronic hobbyist 
skills (e.g., has a soldering tool, and knows how to use it).
- Requires a parallel port or similar plain digital I/O port, which 
modern PCs lack.
- Requires a bit more programming knowledge to get it to work with 
E-Prime or other platforms.  (We often just plug these boxes into PST 
SRBoxes to get around that, but that would defeat the purpose of the 
original posters.)

---------------
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E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
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From mcgree at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 02:49:25 2012
From: mcgree at gmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:49:25 -0700
Subject: Simple Timing Issue
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.194925.0700.>

I am having difficulties with what I think should be a simple timing setup. 
 I would like participants to answer as many questions as they can in a 5 
minute period of time.  Currently I am using a text display to present a 
variable from my list, which is read in from a text file.  The program 
reads in the variable and even shows the participants response.  It also 
goes onto the next slide after "enter" is pressed (which is what it is 
suppose to do).  However, I have not been able to get the text display to 
stop after 5 minutes.  Instead, the text displays keep showing until every 
item on the list has been displayed.  At the moment my "Duration/Input" 
settings are set as follows:

*Duration:*  300000
*Data Logging:*  Response Only
*Timing Mode:  *Cumulative
*PreRelease:*  100
*Devices:* Keyboard
*Allowable:  *{NUMBER} {ENTER}
*Correct:  *[CORRECT]
*Time Limit:*  (same duration)
*End Action:  *Terminate

*Advanced:*
     *Max Count:*  4
     *Flush Input Buffer:*  Yes
     *Termination Response:  *{ENTER}

Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks in 
advance!

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 07:45:26 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:45:26 +0300
Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
In-Reply-To: <4fe08da2.64a9320a.4674.ffffa20fSMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.104526.0300.>

Hi,
Wow, the people at PST certainly work at lightning speed! I remember E-Prime 2 introduced, amongst other things, a more modern look which was still based on this fantastic new (though inferior: real scientists should continue to use Windows 98 SE) OS called Windows XP. Ah, modernity just marches on!
For E-Prime 3, beta, I think they should concentrate on mobile/tablet platforms; it would be really cool to bring E-Prime along wherever you go and indeed even do field experiments. 

Best,
Michiel


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From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane
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To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!

For those of you not already on the PST mailing list.  This announcement refers to EP2.0.10.242.  Note that this release allows for installation and use of multiple Subject Station versions, so that we can continue to run experiments made with older versions while making new experiments using the new version.

-- David McFarlane


>Subject: E-Prime 2.0 Production Release!
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>be created between experiments.
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>the MovieDisplay object and SlideMovie sub-object.
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>SlideSoundIn sub-object are used to record vocal responses from the 
>subject in the WAV format.
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>create and modify package files ? reusable blocks of E-Basic script 
>that are added to E-Primme experiments via the PackageCall object.
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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 09:36:03 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:36:03 +0300
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <f8bbf31c-a2b7-40f2-86e1-822942a093e0@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.123603.0300.>

Hi,

Moved from Nottingham to Helsinki, but yes, the issue remains :) On a
related topic, I made some custom software to use the XBOX360 controller
connected to E-Prime (also, for use as very cheap haptic system) - builds
available here, but I've no problem with releasing the source (in c#). See:
http://cognitology.eu/Experiments.htm (under vibro-tactile feature
integration). For adventurous coders, I suppose. 

Best,

Michiel

 

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Jones
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:43
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
and I want some data now... 

 

The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
- particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what Mich
(Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
precision... 

 

Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360

 

and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  

 

____________________________________

DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.

__________________________________________

 

...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 

 

And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or the
type, "response box"?  

 

And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  

 

Thanks so much, 

Chris 

 

Chris Jones, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Kwantlen Polytechnic University

Surrey, BC, Canada 

 


On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
boxes. 

both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
box).  for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
the other buttons, and you're good to go.

pretty straight forward.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301
<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=
US,EN> &cl=US,EN

 

ben

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
wrote:


Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
gamepad?

-Jeff


On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:

> we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>

> On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
> > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
> > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
> > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
> > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
> > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
> > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
> > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
> > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
> > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
> > appreciate any feedback!
> > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Psychology

> > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

 

 

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From mspape at cognitology.eu  Wed Jun 20 11:22:27 2012
From: mspape at cognitology.eu (Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:22:27 +0300
Subject: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware
In-Reply-To: <008501cd4ec8$1c6c2e90$55448bb0$@eu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.142227.0300.>

Hi,

Actually, come to think of it, "psychological effects as being under-rated
in comparison with timing precision" is not quite my point. Rather, both
psychological effects and timing precision are very much over-rated in
comparison to the middle levels. That is, with psychological effects
("higher level"), we can think of, say, a lexical decision making task
taking 100 ms longer (about 10%, given that RTs are a bit longer) with
word/picture incongruency. Then, the timing error can be in your hardware
connection (say, polling rate) or software (e-prime, or say, windows
wondering whether there's a lan connection). I'd call both these a more
"lower level". To drive the point, I'll term the in-between part the central
level*: how much time does it take from initiation of movement (say, the
first millimeter of moving the finger downward) to actual "captured button
press". In the thread mentioned earlier, I suggested that there's good
reason to believe that this can be quite a bit; that motor noise may well
make it more difficult to find effects; and that there's no reason to
completely rule out that precious psychological effects may occur after
response initiation ("true RT") but before response capture ("measured RT")
by hardware, which is quite independent of timing errors and should be a
cause for concern. It's a bit like allowing two reactions - in a lexical
decision: "it's a word, oh no, it's actually not" and then reporting only
the second reaction (I think it's an unspoken rule that this is incorrect,
would people agree? I've heard of people who enter the correct answer as the
only allowable and then measure RTs - which rather inflates them).

 

To conclude on a more positive note: I thought I'd just like to say: make
sure you have a really light response-box, joystick, or gamepad.

 

Cheers,

Mich

 

* sorry, silly joke, I don't really see the arm as a central processing unit
- but has anyone else noticed how psychologists just love to call this or
that process occurring at a "central" level?

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michiel Sovijarvi-Spape
Sent: 20 June 2012 12:36
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

Hi,

Moved from Nottingham to Helsinki, but yes, the issue remains :) On a
related topic, I made some custom software to use the XBOX360 controller
connected to E-Prime (also, for use as very cheap haptic system) - builds
available here, but I've no problem with releasing the source (in c#). See:
http://cognitology.eu/Experiments.htm (under vibro-tactile feature
integration). For adventurous coders, I suppose. 

Best,

Michiel

 

 

 

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Jones
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:43
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: response unit for E-prime 2.0 Professional with ERP hardware

 

I'd also like to thank Ben very much for this information.  I came to this
group looking for instructions on how to build a serial or parallel response
box.  My department won't be able to approve a response box until the fall
and I want some data now... 

 

The game controller option makes sense for so many reasons, including the
psychological effect or context effect - perhaps pulling for more valid data
- particularly in a stop signal paradigm.   Seems to fit with what Mich
(Psychology, Nottingham; sorry don't have thread handy) elsewhere about
psychological effects as being under-rated in comparison with timing
precision... 

 

Just to review: I can use a Logitech game pad - for example
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/controllers/7360

 

and download a driver...  I don't actually see a place to download drivers
of the type Ben describes, but there is this information:  

 

____________________________________

DirectInput (D)

DirectInput mode works with Windows drivers to enable basic input
functionality. This input mode also lets you use the Logitech Gaming
Software to customize the inputs for games that don't normally allow you to
do so, or don't have gamepad support at all.

You can use the Logitech Gaming Software with DirectInput mode to assign a
specific key or key combination to any of the buttons or thumbsticks on the
gamepad. You can also assign each thumbstick to work like a joystick or
mouse.

NOTE: Logitech doesn't provide configuration software for non-Windows
systems, but many games allow you to configure inputs in-game. DirectInput
mode lets the gamepad communicate with the drivers on many such systems.

__________________________________________

 

...And so using a driver and/or the above information, I will be able to
assign an ASCII key or number to one or more gamepad buttons, right? 

 

And e-prime will be able to add this device - as an input device or the
type, "response box"?  

 

And then what about the timing errors?   I'm not so concerned, but can
anyone estimate the timing errors for data logging?  Is there a way to
minimize the error by changing the input refresh rate somewhere?  

 

Thanks so much, 

Chris 

 

Chris Jones, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

Kwantlen Polytechnic University

Surrey, BC, Canada 

 


On Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17:25 AM UTC-7, ben wrote:

i've used a couple different USB controllers for this purpose over the
years.  they're so much cheaper than the cedrus boxes or the pst response
boxes. 

both controllers i've used, and i would imagine all controllers of this
type, have an accompanying driver which you download from the manufacturer's
website and which allows you to assign a value to the various controller
buttons.  presses on the controller mimic keyboard button presses, so all
you need to do in eprime is set the object collecting responses to look for
a keyboard response (as opposed to a response from a mouse or a pst response
box).  for instance, set the object to accept '0' or '1', and then assign
one button on the controller to be '0' and the other to be '1', turn off all
the other buttons, and you're good to go.

pretty straight forward.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301
<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/301&cl=
US,EN> &cl=US,EN

 

ben

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedwell at mail.ucf.edu>
wrote:


Thanks for this info. Are you using this gamepad with E-Prime? If so,
do you write script to tell the software how to interact with the
gamepad?

-Jeff


On Apr 21, 9:20 am, baltimore.... at gmail.com wrote:

> we use the logitech precision usb gamepad.
>

> On Apr 10, 2009 2:09pm, Jeffrey Bedwell <jbedw... at mail.ucf.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a button response
> > unit to use with E-Prime 2.0 Professional in the context of ERP/EEG
> > experiments? The PST response unit does not appear to be ideal for
> > this because it has an A/C power cable coming up to the unit that may
> > cause interference with the ERP signal. I'd like some type of video
> > game controller or wireless unit that the participant can hold in
> > their lap comfortably. Also, if it can plug into USB port, that may be
> > ideal. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, if anyone has
> > successfully used the PST response unit in the context of ERP/EEG
> > equipment, please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks. I'd
> > appreciate any feedback!
> > Jeffrey S. Bedwell, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Psychology

> > University of Central Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

 

 

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Wed Jun 20 14:58:11 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:58:11 -0400
Subject: Simple Timing Issue
In-Reply-To: <681e28d3-0ae1-46ee-8557-cab1be30dbe4@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.105811.0400.>

If you look on the Reset/Exit tab of the Properties Pages for your 
List object, under Exit List you will see an option for "After n 
seconds".  Give that a try.  That will end the List after the 
specified number of seconds, although it will still allow the subject 
to complete their last trial even if it runs over the time limit.  If 
you really want to cut the last trial short, then you will have to 
set the Duration of your stimuli to 0 (or set PreRelease >= 
Duration), and then handle all the timing in inline code.

-----
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E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)

/----
Stock reminder:  1) I do not work for PST.  2) PST's trained staff 
take any and all questions at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp , and they 
strive to respond to all requests in 24-48 hours -- this is pretty 
much their substitute for proper documentation, so make full use of 
it.  3) In addition, PST takes questions at their Facebook page 
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 
), and offers several instructional videos there and on their YouTube 
channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PSTNET ) (no Twitter feed yet, 
though).  4) If you do get an answer from PST staff, please extend 
the courtesy of posting their reply back here for the sake of others.
\----


At 6/19/2012 10:49 PM Tuesday, Elizabeth wrote:
>I am having difficulties with what I think should be a simple timing 
>setup.  I would like participants to answer as many questions as 
>they can in a 5 minute period of time.  Currently I am using a text 
>display to present a variable from my list, which is read in from a 
>text file.  The program reads in the variable and even shows the 
>participants response.  It also goes onto the next slide after 
>"enter" is pressed (which is what it is suppose to do).  However, I 
>have not been able to get the text display to stop after 5 
>minutes.  Instead, the text displays keep showing until every item 
>on the list has been displayed.  At the moment my "Duration/Input" 
>settings are set as follows:
>
>Duration:  300000
>Data Logging:  Response Only
>Timing Mode:  Cumulative
>PreRelease:  100
>Devices: Keyboard
>Allowable:  {NUMBER} {ENTER}
>Correct:  [CORRECT]
>Time Limit:  (same duration)
>End Action:  Terminate
>
>Advanced:
>      Max Count:  4
>      Flush Input Buffer:  Yes
>      Termination Response:  {ENTER}
>
>Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks 
>in advance!

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From bsmith.lap at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 20:50:37 2012
From: bsmith.lap at gmail.com (Benjamin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:50:37 -0700
Subject: AudioLoadReport
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.135037.0700.>

I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this a 
common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 2.0.8.90.  Has 
this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 21 15:10:26 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:10:26 -0400
Subject: AudioLoadReport
In-Reply-To: <993c1fcc-c2d8-4f92-83a1-9a1433155e82@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.111026.0400.>

Well.  I started to say, "This has been discussed, try doing a search 
using the obvious search term," along with advice to ask PST 
directly.  But then, in keeping with my role as Professional 
Faultfinder, I checked my facts by running my own search.  And lo!, 
this had not yet been discussed.  But I had discussed this privately 
with PST Web Support (request #19335 on 2/9/2010 if anyone wants to 
know), so I will post their response now for the record, and 
henceforth everyone should search first and find this post:

"... the AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport generated by 2.0.8.73 
and later are diagnostic files similar to FilterDump.bin. If you have 
a problem with audio or video, you can attach those files to a 
support request for us to help troubleshoot the problem. Otherwise, 
feel free to ignore the files."

Again, we may always ask PST staff directly about these things at 
http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp or 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 .

Thanks for asking so that I could finally get this on the public record.

-----
David McFarlane
E-Prime training 
online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
-----


At 6/20/2012 04:50 PM Wednesday, Benjamin wrote:
>I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this 
>a common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 
>2.0.8.90.  Has this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 21 20:48:34 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:48:34 -0400
Subject: AudioLoadReport
In-Reply-To: <4fe33966.64a9320a.4674.ffffffe9SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google. com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.164834.0400.>

Well, browsing through the E-Prime Knowledge Base today, I came upon 
http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=4424 .  This explains 
that, "When a sound/movie object loads in E-Prime 2.0, an AudioReport 
or VideoReport xml file is generated to log which Codecs were used 
during the load processing and to determine if there are any errors," 
and, "These load reports can be supressed by unchecking the option in 
Codec Config."

(Yes, "AudioReport" and "VideoReport" above should read 
AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport, respectively, no wonder no one 
can find it during a proper search.  I will post a note to the KB and 
see if PST will update that.)

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Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)


At 6/21/2012 11:10 AM Thursday, David McFarlane wrote:
>Well.  I started to say, "This has been discussed, try doing a 
>search using the obvious search term," along with advice to ask PST 
>directly.  But then, in keeping with my role as Professional 
>Faultfinder, I checked my facts by running my own search.  And lo!, 
>this had not yet been discussed.  But I had discussed this privately 
>with PST Web Support (request #19335 on 2/9/2010 if anyone wants to 
>know), so I will post their response now for the record, and 
>henceforth everyone should search first and find this post:
>
>"... the AudioLoadReport and VideoLoadReport generated by 2.0.8.73 
>and later are diagnostic files similar to FilterDump.bin. If you 
>have a problem with audio or video, you can attach those files to a 
>support request for us to help troubleshoot the problem. Otherwise, 
>feel free to ignore the files."
>
>Again, we may always ask PST staff directly about these things at 
>http://support.pstnet.com/e%2Dprime/support/login.asp or 
>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-Software-Tools-Inc/241802160683 .
>
>Thanks for asking so that I could finally get this on the public record.
>
>-----
>David McFarlane
>E-Prime training 
>online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx
>Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)
>-----
>
>
>At 6/20/2012 04:50 PM Wednesday, Benjamin wrote:
>>I'm getting an AudioLoadReport for every sound file I use.  Is this 
>>a common occurrence?  For weird reasons I am using version 
>>2.0.8.90.  Has this issue been fixed in more modern versions?

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From tabithakirkland at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 23:35:08 2012
From: tabithakirkland at gmail.com (Tabitha K.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:35:08 -0700
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.163508.0700.>

Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.

I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a combined 
eye tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press 
responses. The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from 
the experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.

My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively 
useless error message "object variable or with block response not set." 
>From my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has 
something to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a 
screen. As far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a 
keyboard response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm 
also happy to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would 
be useful at this point.

Thanks!
Tabitha

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From grasszilla at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 01:49:36 2012
From: grasszilla at gmail.com (FrankBank)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:49:36 -0700
Subject: How to use label jump in slide properties
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.184936.0700.>

I am new to eprime and am having trouble with a simple issue.  I'd
like to have a slide display for 2 seconds (not accept any input) and
then jump to a label at the end of a procedure (jumping over several
other slides, etc).  I thought maybe I could do this by setting the
duration to 2000 and the Label Jump box to the "EndLabel" at the end
of the procedure.

What I don't understand is what the rest of the slide's properties
should be set to for this to happen, because right now it waits 2
seconds and then does not jump, but simply proceeds to the next slide
(the one I want it to jump over) in the procedure.

Thanks for any assistance with this!

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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 10:01:40 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:01:40 +0100
Subject: How to use label jump in slide properties
In-Reply-To: <5dec05e7-0535-46f8-b00b-848887500c41@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.110140.0100.>

Hi FrankBank,

If this is really what you want to do, the most straightforward way is 
to insert an Inline object right after your slide with the simple text
goto EndLabel

The Jump Label on a Slide (or ImageDisplay, TextDisplay etc) seems to be 
used only when Jump is selected as an End Action (which, I think, 
requires input).

However, the use of goto in such situations may cause you other problems 
(for example logging data from previous trials as if obtained on the 
current one, if the goto skips an object for which data is logged).    
And, unless you are presenting your problem in a simplified manner, I'm 
not sure why one would want to have a noncontingent "goto" within a 
procedure rather than, for example, creating different procedures each 
of which displays exactly what you want.

hope this helps,
David


On 22/06/2012 02:49, FrankBank wrote:
> I am new to eprime and am having trouble with a simple issue.  I'd
> like to have a slide display for 2 seconds (not accept any input) and
> then jump to a label at the end of a procedure (jumping over several
> other slides, etc).  I thought maybe I could do this by setting the
> duration to 2000 and the Label Jump box to the "EndLabel" at the end
> of the procedure.
>
> What I don't understand is what the rest of the slide's properties
> should be set to for this to happen, because right now it waits 2
> seconds and then does not jump, but simply proceeds to the next slide
> (the one I want it to jump over) in the procedure.
>
> Thanks for any assistance with this!
>

-- 
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Senior Postdoctoral Researcher
Cognitive, Perceptual and Brain Sciences Research Department
University College London
26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP
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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:47:01 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:47:01 -0700
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.074701.0700.>

Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new experiment 
all day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have 
contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es 
file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the 
script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the 
e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
thanks in advance,
Massimiliano Elia

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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:51:48 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:51:48 -0400
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <a55bd6e9-fc69-4609-b2f9-3ad5f136a45c@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.105148.0400.>

you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :(

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia
<rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new experiment all
> day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have
> contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es
> file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the
> script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the
> e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
> thanks in advance,
> Massimiliano Elia
>
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From baltimore.ben at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 14:57:05 2012
From: baltimore.ben at gmail.com (ben robinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:57:05 -0400
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
In-Reply-To: <ea570f69-bcf0-4826-b277-4ffabbba2c8b@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.105705.0400.>

When it crashes, giving you the above error message, it probably
leaves your cursor blinking on the line of code where the program
crashed. Take a look at what is written on that line of code. Maybe it
refers to some object which you once had in your program but have
since deleted? Or an Attribute (column name) in a List which you've
mistyped or forgot to create? Something along those lines would be my
first guess. Take another look at the line of code where the program
crashes.

ben

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Tabitha K. <tabithakirkland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.
>
> I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a combined eye
> tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press responses.
> The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from the
> experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.
>
> My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively
> useless error message "object variable or with block response not set." From
> my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has something
> to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a screen. As
> far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a keyboard
> response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm also happy
> to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would be useful
> at this point.
>
> Thanks!
> Tabitha
>
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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Fri Jun 22 17:04:34 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:04:34 -0400
Subject: Error 91: object variable or with block response not set
In-Reply-To: <CABkDJUfpa8pZ4DYw=Nnwqon0k+3TOrUo-KPt9t+8QY5pE7vYUw@mail.g
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Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.130434.0400.>

See also http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=4782 .  Example 
code there will compile, but when run will crash at the line "y = x.RESP".

-- David McFarlane


At 6/22/2012 10:57 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote:
>When it crashes, giving you the above error message, it probably
>leaves your cursor blinking on the line of code where the program
>crashed. Take a look at what is written on that line of code. Maybe it
>refers to some object which you once had in your program but have
>since deleted? Or an Attribute (column name) in a List which you've
>mistyped or forgot to create? Something along those lines would be my
>first guess. Take another look at the line of code where the program
>crashes.
>
>ben
>
>On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Tabitha K. <tabithakirkland at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good evening, lovely folk of the E-Prime group.
> >
> > I am having some trouble with my experiment. I am programming a 
> combined eye
> > tracking + fMRI study in which participants do not make key press 
> responses.
> > The only allowable responses are 5 (from the scanner) or a (from the
> > experimenter); otherwise, all screens are timed.
> >
> > My script seems to compile successfully, but then I get the relatively
> > useless error message "object variable or with block response not 
> set." From
> > my internet searches thus far, I gather that it means that it has something
> > to do with a conflict in the allowable responses to terminate a screen. As
> > far as I can tell, though, I have my study set to only allow a keyboard
> > response or no response. Any other ideas for things to try? I'm also happy
> > to provide more information if needed - just not sure what would be useful
> > at this point.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Tabitha

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Fri Jun 22 17:15:04 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:15:04 -0400
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <CABkDJUdQ45i-vyg7oT5XROoOszdfKmEgw3voP01k5tGNSQJjyQ@mail.g
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Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.131504.0400.>

Massimiliano,

If you wrote this in EP1.x, then the .ebs file contains the full 
human-readable generated source code, and in principle one could work 
back from that to laboriously recreate a corresponding .es file, but 
this is only for the adventurous or desperate.  If in EP2.x, then the 
.ebs2 file is no longer human-readable, so no hope of recreating an 
.es2 file from that.

But before you resort to starting from scratch, open E-Studio, go to 
Tools > Options > General tab, click "Copy backup experiments to my 
desktop...", and see if you can recover an earlier version of your 
E-Studio file (see http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1355 ).

-----
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E-Prime training 
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Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster)


At 6/22/2012 10:51 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote:
>you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :(
>
>On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia
><rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new 
> experiment all
> > day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have
> > contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the .es
> > file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have the
> > script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild the
> > e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning?
> > thanks in advance,
> > Massimiliano Elia

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From bsmith.lap at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 19:54:50 2012
From: bsmith.lap at gmail.com (Benjamin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:54:50 -0700
Subject: Running 2.0.8 files in 2.0.10
Message-ID: <MON.25.JUN.2012.125450.0700.>

Has anyone tried running ebs files generated in 2.0.8.90 using the 
2.0.10.242 runtime?  PST told me that this was "not recommended," but that 
doesn't sound like quite the same as "will not work."

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From grasszilla at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 05:07:46 2012
From: grasszilla at gmail.com (FrankBank)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:07:46 -0700
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
Message-ID: <MON.25.JUN.2012.220746.0700.>

Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
7. Here are the relevant specs:

**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
Diagonal Size: 22"
Viewable Size: 22"
Panel Type: TN
Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
Brightness: 250 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Response Time: 5 ms
Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP

*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
 17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
22.5 mm neck CRT
0.28 mm dot pitch
90? deflection
Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
1,024 lines maximum vertical
Scanning Frequency:
Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
slightly different frequencies:
Scanning frequency:
Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
Also a link to some sort of timing table:
https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml

I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
even matters?), thanks.

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From rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 15:18:57 2012
From: rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com (Massimiliano Elia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:18:57 -0700
Subject: E-Studio file corrupted
In-Reply-To: <4fe4a82c.64a9320a.4674.3053SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.081857.0700.>

I was using E-Prime 1.1, there was no hope of recovering the file. I did it 
again, and I took advantage of this to redesign my experiment so to make it 
easier to read for the laptop i'm using. I know it might seem like a stupid 
advice, but approaching experiment designs with minimalism is the best 
option, always!
thanks everybody for their help

On Friday, June 22, 2012 7:15:04 PM UTC+2, McFarlane, David wrote:
>
> Massimiliano, 
>
> If you wrote this in EP1.x, then the .ebs file contains the full 
> human-readable generated source code, and in principle one could work 
> back from that to laboriously recreate a corresponding .es file, but 
> this is only for the adventurous or desperate.  If in EP2.x, then the 
> .ebs2 file is no longer human-readable, so no hope of recreating an 
> .es2 file from that. 
>
> But before you resort to starting from scratch, open E-Studio, go to 
> Tools > Options > General tab, click "Copy backup experiments to my 
> desktop...", and see if you can recover an earlier version of your 
> E-Studio file (see http://www.pstnet.com/support/kb.asp?TopicID=1355 ). 
>
> ----- 
> David McFarlane 
> E-Prime training 
> online:  http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx 
> Twitter:  @EPrimeMaster (twitter.com/EPrimeMaster) 
>
>
> At 6/22/2012 10:51 AM Friday, ben robinson wrote: 
> >you probably need to start from scratch. that's been my experience. :( 
> > 
> >On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Elia 
> ><rodneymullen18288 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > Hello everybody, I've been working on the structure for a new 
> > experiment all 
> > > day (i added around 180 pictures and lots of code, so that might have 
> > > contributed), but E-Studio crashed. After the crash the weight of the 
> .es 
> > > file went down to 0 KB and i can't open it in e-studio. I still have 
> the 
> > > script file. Is there a chance i can use the script file to rebuild 
> the 
> > > e-studio file or should I do everything from the beginning? 
> > > thanks in advance, 
> > > Massimiliano Elia 
>
>

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From jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 16:02:42 2012
From: jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com (JP)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:02:42 -0700
Subject: randomized LED lighting using DAQ Card in eprime
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.090242.0700.>

I am currently assisting in creating an experimental design for a 
professor. The task that i have right now is to wire two LEDs to a DAQ card 
and make them light up independently and randomly using Eprime inline code. 
We also need to make it so we can track the lighting so we know which light 
the participants may be responding to. I have found dozens 
of references regarding DAQ card coding but it all seems to be acquiring 
data through the card and not not using it to control a component. 

I was wondering if anyone had an idea about what the coding might look like 
or how to accomplish this. 


Thank you in advance for the help!!

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From pquain at une.edu.au  Tue Jun 26 16:20:19 2012
From: pquain at une.edu.au (Peter Quain)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:20:19 +1000
Subject: [SPAM?]  LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <17829de7-3eaa-48bf-ad94-eaccf4060000@qq9g2000pbb.googlegro
 ups.com>
Message-ID: <WED.27.JUN.2012.022019.1000.>

If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
well use it. You can be pretty sure then that you 
will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.

At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>
>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>Diagonal Size: 22"
>Viewable Size: 22"
>Panel Type: TN
>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>Response Time: 5 ms
>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>
>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>22.5 mm neck CRT
>0.28 mm dot pitch
>90? deflection
>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>Scanning Frequency:
>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>slightly different frequencies:
>Scanning frequency:
>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>
>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>even matters?), thanks.
>
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From natansiegel2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 17:12:36 2012
From: natansiegel2 at gmail.com (Natan Siegel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:36 -0400
Subject: Running 2.0.8 files in 2.0.10
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Seems to be working here.... But I didnt try all the files I have

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Benjamin <bsmith.lap at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone tried running ebs files generated in 2.0.8.90 using the
> 2.0.10.242 runtime?  PST told me that this was "not recommended," but that
> doesn't sound like quite the same as "will not work."
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From neelcl9 at wfu.edu  Tue Jun 26 18:03:36 2012
From: neelcl9 at wfu.edu (CNeely)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:03:36 -0700
Subject: an easy stimulation set up question?
Message-ID: <TUE.26.JUN.2012.110336.0700.>

Hello all,  

I'm very new to E prime and know a few of the basics (from watching 
tutorials).  My mentor and I are stuck on how to set up our stimulator 
(StimisOB isolator using Stim100).  It seems that the isOB is out of date, 
and there aren't too many instructions on how to configure it.  Would this 
be a significant problem?

Another question: we're using the same set up as Phelps, 2004 (Extinction 
learning in humans, amygdala and vmPFC).  The first step is stimulator 
calibration based on the participant's feedback.  The participant will be 
given a mild shock starting at 10 V for a 200 ms duration with 50 pulses 
per second.  We think that the trigger in E prime is too fast and we aren't 
getting a high enough voltage.  I was interested in your thoughts/help, if 
this is the case.

Lastly (I promise, this I think is the easy question), is how to time this 
so that the shock is delivered during a 4 second presentation of the CS+ (a 
blue screen).      

I realize this is three questions in one, but I really appreciate any 
advice or feedback!

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From a.schueppert at rug.nl  Thu Jun 28 09:29:39 2012
From: a.schueppert at rug.nl (anja)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:29:39 -0700
Subject: Analysing string data
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.022939.0700.>

Dear all,
 
is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze' window?
 
I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from a 
foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main 
objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window and 
double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics into simply 
giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there was a simple way to 
get an overview of which stimulus was translated with which word by every 
participant.
 
Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the wrong way?
Any creative ideas...?
 
Cheers, Anja

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From a.schueppert at rug.nl  Thu Jun 28 09:50:19 2012
From: a.schueppert at rug.nl (A. Schueppert)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:50:19 +0200
Subject: Analysing string data
In-Reply-To: <4FEC26ED.70508@ucl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.115019.0200.>

Wonderful!
Problem solved, many thanks David!!
--Anja

On 28-6-2012 11:42, David Vinson wrote:
> Hi Anja,
>
> E-DataAid doesn't like string data in the "Data" field but you should
> be able to trick it into doing what you want:  dragging it into the
> Rows field and selecting a numeric but uninteresting value (e.g.
> Session) for the Data field.
>
> So here for example you could just have these three fields in Rows:
> Subject
> TargetStimulus
> TranslationResponse
>
> And this one field in Data:
> Session:Mean
>
> The first three columns of the output should give you what you're
> looking for.
>
> hope this helps!
> david
>
> On 28/06/2012 10:29, anja wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze'
>> window?
>> I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from
>> a foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main
>> objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
>> I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window
>> and double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics
>> into simply giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there
>> was a simple way to get an overview of which stimulus was translated
>> with which word by every participant.
>> Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the
>> wrong way?
>> Any creative ideas...?
>> Cheers, Anja
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From d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Jun 28 09:42:05 2012
From: d.vinson at ucl.ac.uk (David Vinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:05 +0100
Subject: Analysing string data
In-Reply-To: <71bc9bfc-34a5-4bdf-85e0-b6a1b31a4df4@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.104205.0100.>

Hi Anja,

E-DataAid doesn't like string data in the "Data" field but you should be 
able to trick it into doing what you want:  dragging it into the Rows 
field and selecting a numeric but uninteresting value (e.g. Session) for 
the Data field.

So here for example you could just have these three fields in Rows:
Subject
TargetStimulus
TranslationResponse

And this one field in Data:
Session:Mean

The first three columns of the output should give you what you're 
looking for.

hope this helps!
david

On 28/06/2012 10:29, anja wrote:
> Dear all,
> is it true that E-DataAid cannot output string data in the 'Analyze' 
> window?
> I need to analyse translations which were typed using the 'Echo' from 
> a foreign language into the participants' native language. (The main 
> objective was to gather ERP data during listening, though.)
> I dragged this variable into the 'Data' field in the 'Analyze' window 
> and double-clicked on it, but afaics I cannot change the statistics 
> into simply giving me the content of the cells. I was hoping there was 
> a simple way to get an overview of which stimulus was translated with 
> which word by every participant.
> Is this really not possible or am I just giong about this in the wrong 
> way?
> Any creative ideas...?
> Cheers, Anja
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From pfc.groot at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 10:32:26 2012
From: pfc.groot at gmail.com (Paul Groot)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:32:26 +0200
Subject: randomized LED lighting using DAQ Card in eprime
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Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.123226.0200.>

jp,

This would be easy if the device or driver supports memory mapped IO, just
like legacy parallel printer ports. Memory mapped IO can be programmed by
using the WritePort function or Onset/OffsetSignal* properties. The E-Basic
help documentation contains some printer-port based examples, which can be
used as a starting point if you know which address maps to the digital
output registers.

However, many modern (USB) based devices use other mechanisms to
communicate with applications, so it depends on the available drivers which
options you have. Unfortunately memory mapped IO is often not supported
anymore. Most manufacturers provide visual basic or C-code examples that
can be used as as starting point. In most cases you will have to use
external function calls (typically DLL functions) using inline E-Basic
script. This is less trivial than the memory mapped IO method.

best
Paul

2012/6/26 JP <jeremiahperkins3 at gmail.com>

> I am currently assisting in creating an experimental design for a
> professor. The task that i have right now is to wire two LEDs to a DAQ card
> and make them light up independently and randomly using Eprime inline code.
> We also need to make it so we can track the lighting so we know which light
> the participants may be responding to. I have found dozens
> of references regarding DAQ card coding but it all seems to be acquiring
> data through the card and not not using it to control a component.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had an idea about what the coding might look
> like or how to accomplish this.
>
>
> Thank you in advance for the help!!
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From tjwall000 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 13:14:27 2012
From: tjwall000 at gmail.com (Tom Wallace)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:14:27 -0700
Subject: Timing question
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.061427.0700.>

Hello all -

I am having some difficulty setting up the correct timing intervals for my 
experiment. 

Subjects are shown a slide with a stimulus on it, to which they must enter 
a response using the keyboard. I need the timing between the slides to be 
constant. Lets use 15 seconds as an example; if for for one slide the 
subject enters a response at 2 seconds, the program should wait 13 seconds 
after their response to show the new slide. If the subject responds at 5 
seconds, the program should wait 10 seconds. I can't figure out how to do 
this with the "timing/duration" options under properties. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Tom Wallace 

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 28 16:01:40 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:01:40 -0400
Subject: Timing question
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Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.120140.0400.>

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At 6/28/2012 09:14 AM Thursday, Tom Wallace wrote:
>Hello all -
>
>I am having some difficulty setting up the correct timing intervals 
>for my experiment.
>
>Subjects are shown a slide with a stimulus on it, to which they must 
>enter a response using the keyboard. I need the timing between the 
>slides to be constant. Lets use 15 seconds as an example; if for for 
>one slide the subject enters a response at 2 seconds, the program 
>should wait 13 seconds after their response to show the new slide. 
>If the subject responds at 5 seconds, the program should wait 10 
>seconds. I can't figure out how to do this with the 
>"timing/duration" options under properties. Any ideas?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tom Wallace

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From mcfarla9 at msu.edu  Thu Jun 28 20:53:07 2012
From: mcfarla9 at msu.edu (David McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:53:07 -0400
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <201206261620.q5QGKLQw016939@mail9.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <THU.28.JUN.2012.165307.0400.>

Also see the post at https://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic6087-2-1.aspx .

-- David McFarlane


At 6/26/2012 12:20 PM Tuesday, Peter Quain wrote:

>If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
>well use it. You can be pretty sure then that 
>you will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.
>
>At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>>
>>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>>Diagonal Size: 22"
>>Viewable Size: 22"
>>Panel Type: TN
>>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>>Response Time: 5 ms
>>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>>
>>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>>22.5 mm neck CRT
>>0.28 mm dot pitch
>>90? deflection
>>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>>Scanning Frequency:
>>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>>slightly different frequencies:
>>Scanning frequency:
>>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>>
>>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>>even matters?), thanks.

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From alphonse.stickle at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 07:58:51 2012
From: alphonse.stickle at gmail.com (Alphonse Stickle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:58:51 +1000
Subject: LCD vs CRT for dot probe task
In-Reply-To: <4fecc43c.268c320a.53ad.04c4SMTPIN_ADDED@gmr-mx.google.com>
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ssshhhhhh ... or you will frighten the (machine 
variance) elephant, in our room  :)))

OP, search the group archive for "LCD Input lag 
", there was something on this a while ago. 
Follow some of the links and decide for 
yourselves. We have scrounged and now have a nice 
cupboard full of CRT monitors to replace any failures, into the future.

In fact, here is the post (from 2011):

----------------------------------------------
LCD monitors and Input lag

The issue of LCD monitors has been raised 
periodically on this list. Because CRTs have gone 
way of the dinosaur many labs use LCDs now for 
experiment presentation, and my guess is that 
some aren't aware of some possible pitfalls of 
doing so. My understanding is, basically, LCDs 
work differently to CRT monitors, and the key 
issue for display timing accuracy is that LCD 
monitors have onboard image processing engines 
that do their own thing with the frames sent to 
them by graphics card, prior to displaying them, 
and this processing can take (varied) time, with 
range that can be perhaps 0 to 70 ms across 
frames, and average lag which can be in the 30-40 
ms range. The variation compounds the problem LCD 
screens may pose for some types of experimental psychology.

This means 1) that you don't have a clue what is 
going on with display timing unless you test your 
LCD monitors for input lag (and then it likely 
will fluctuate across trials anyway) ; and 2) 
Just because it shows a picture, you can't just 
treat an LCD monitor as though it is a CRT 
monitor for purposes of time critical paradigms.

Additionally, any concurrent audio would be out 
of sync because the audio is not routed through 
the display, and so would experience no delay.

Also, without testing the monitor, it may not be 
possible to trust the "refresh rate" setting at 
anything other than the native refresh (mostly 
60Hz) even though Windows may provide an option 
for the monitor to run at a higher "refresh" (say 
75Hz), which some researchers may choose in their 
experiment. I have seen results showing that when 
refresh is set to 75Hz on a 60Hz native refresh 
LCD, frames are redrawn every ~13ms (instead of 
~17ms), however 1 in every 6 frames was skipped 
(no display). So, in 167ms only 10 frames were 
displayed, not 12. Looked like the engine was 
correcting back to native refresh. You test this 
with high speed camera (same as to test input lag).

As far as e-prime goes, this means that you could 
write a tidy paradigm where timing was tested as 
perfect on a good PC, and e-prime would log all 
durations as being so. However, at the display 
level the timing could be all over the place. 
Nobody would know, and effectively all the time 
taken to use e-prime for millisecond precision 
would be wasted. On monitors that have a big 
range of input lag, some paradigms would really 
be impossible to implement accurately.?

I'm no expert in this, have just been fishing 
round on the net. For anyone who might be 
interested, below are some useful links providing 
a little digestible background on how LCDs work, 
how they differ from CRTs, and how to go about 
testing for input lag. Note that to do this 
properly you need a CRT monitor as baseline. 
Don't be tempted to use another LCD, which would 
include using a laptop screen, and my advice 
would be to definitely use a PC (with dual head 
graphics card in clone mode) not a laptop.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good old Wikipedia defining input lag:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

A basic primer on how LCDs / CRTs function, and differences:

<http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/20/how_crt_and_lcd_monitors_work/>http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/20/how_crt_and_lcd_monitors_work/

Here is an interesting site describing CRTs and 
LCDs (from gamer perspective). Navigate through 
the next few pages forward / backward using buttons down the bottom:

<http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html>http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html

How to test your monitors for input lag?

Here is a brief description, and a little counter program you can download:

<http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229335064>http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229335064

Here is another description with some useful info 
about type of camera that is suitable:

<http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464>http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464

A neat site who say they have done a lot of 
testing re: input lag, and provide comparison 
output for many LCD monitors. Note, lags might be 
different on your monitor even though it is same 
model tested. You need to test each individual monitor:

<http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=121&p1=1303&ma2=284&mo2=326&p2=3097&ph=12>http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=121&p1=1303&ma2=284&mo2=326&p2=3097&ph=12

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At 06:53 AM 29/06/2012, you wrote:
>Also see the post at https://support.pstnet.com/forum/Topic6087-2-1.aspx .
>
>-- David McFarlane
>
>
>At 6/26/2012 12:20 PM Tuesday, Peter Quain wrote:
>
>>If you have access to a CRT monitor you may as 
>>well use it. You can be pretty sure then that 
>>you will have no hard to find timing issues from the monitor.
>>
>>At 03:07 PM 26/06/2012, you wrote:
>>>Hi, I've been researching the whole LCD vs CRT debate and I still am
>>>confused.  I am putting together a simple dot probe task that will be
>>>looking at very small response time differences so I am concerned with
>>>getting it right.  I have two monitors to choose from:  A brand
>>>spankin' new Dell P2210 LCD or an old (2002) Gateway EV700 CRT.  I'd
>>>like any advice on which you'd recommend.  I will be using the most
>>>recent version of Eprime running on a new Dell computer with windows
>>>7. Here are the relevant specs:
>>>
>>>**************Dell P2210 Specs*********************
>>>Display Type:  LCD monitor / TFT active matrix
>>>Diagonal Size: 22"
>>>Viewable Size: 22"
>>>Panel Type: TN
>>>Aspect Ratio: Widescreen - 16:10
>>>Native Resolution: 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz
>>>Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
>>>Brightness: 250 cd/m2
>>>Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
>>>Response Time: 5 ms
>>>Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170
>>>Vertical Viewing Angle: 160
>>>Features: 83% color gamut, HDCP
>>>
>>>*************Gateway EV700 (EV700AA on back) Specs***************
>>>Gateway EV700 17-Inch SVGA Color Monitor
>>>  17-inch diagonal with 15.9 inches viewable area
>>>22.5 mm neck CRT
>>>0.28 mm dot pitch
>>>90? deflection
>>>Resolution: 1,280 dots maximum horizontal
>>>1,024 lines maximum vertical
>>>Scanning Frequency:
>>>Horizontal: 31 to 69 kHz
>>>Vertical: 50 to 160 Hz
>>>NOTE: I also found on gateways site the same model listed with
>>>slightly different frequencies:
>>>Scanning frequency:
>>>Horizontal, 30 - 70 KHz (automatic)
>>>Vertical, 50 - 120 Hz (automatic)
>>>Also a link to some sort of timing table:
>>>https://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/7003421/700342103.shtml
>>>
>>>I'd really appreciate any advice on which I should choose (or if it
>>>even matters?), thanks.
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From helminenterhi at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 12:01:14 2012
From: helminenterhi at gmail.com (terhi helminen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:01:14 +0300
Subject: joystick response & looming videos
Message-ID: <FRI.29.JUN.2012.150114.0300.>

Hi,

I am trying to create an experiment, where a subjects have to answer to a
movie stimuli by moving a joystick backward or forward. According the
subjects response, the video should loom bigger (backward movement)  or
smaller (forward movement).

I thought I could do this by using a feedback object: forward movement
could be coded as correct answer and backward movement as wrong answer. And
a feedback for correct answer could be a video looming smaller and for
incorrect answer there could be a video looming bigger.

I have already added a joystick device to the experimental design, and using
an inLine object I inserted a script  to decode the movement of the
joystick as response, and that works alright. (I found the script from this
forum
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/e-prime/joystic/e-prime/cu8Fm6lbE_I/JcZaf_ORhk8J...
I even use the same joystick!)

Dim nInitY As Integer
Dim nCurrentY As Integer
Dim nDiff As Integer

nInitY = Joystick.CursorY

Do
   nCurrentY = Joystick.CursorY
   nDiff = nInitY - nCurrentY

Loop Until Abs(nDiff) > 50

Stimulus.RTTime = Clock.Read
Stimulus.RT = Stimulus.RTTime - Stimulus.OnsetTime

If nDiff > 0 Then
   Stimulus.RESP = "Forward"
Else
   Stimulus.RESP = "Backward"
End If

However, I don't know how to make the program to understand the forward
movement as "Correct" answer. I tried to write another inLine script with
my minor programming skills without success:

    If Stimulus.RESP = "Forward" Then
        'Set the ActiveState to Correct
        Feedback.ActiveState = "Correct"
        End If

    If Stimulus.RESP = "Backward" Then
        'Set the ActiveState to Incorrect
        Feedback.ActiveState = "Incorrect"

        End If

Could you help me with that?

Another questions concerns the looming videos: I found that it would be
possible to create looming pictures with a script (
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/e-prime/joystick/e-prime/qD0NwsXD7i4/bk1hMejJ3u8J),
but do you know if that's possible with video stimuli?

Thanks in advance,
Terhi

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From wobaidan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 17:18:10 2012
From: wobaidan at gmail.com (Dan Brenner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:18:10 -0700
Subject: Traveling with the serial response button box
Message-ID: <FRI.29.JUN.2012.101810.0700.>

I'm leaving for New Zealand in a week for data collection, and wondering 
about the power supply for the serial button box. The model we have (200A, 
an older model) specifies 120V/60Hz AC power in, while New Zealand's power 
grid is 240V/50Hz, so different voltage, different alternating frequency. 
If I get a step-down transformer in NZ, will the main frequency still fry 
the button box? The current model button box features 100 - 240VAC in, but 
says nothing about the main frequency. Is the new model likely to have any 
better time with the different main frequency than the model we have? 
Should I invest in the new model, or use a transformer with the model we 
have?

Much obliged for prompt responses. Sorry about the rush. I realized far too 
late that this was an issue.

Dan

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