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<div class="PlainText">Michiel,<br>
<br>
Good question, and I am eager to hear from <br>
others. I have encouraged users at my location <br>
to move up to EP2.0.10, but that's going slowly, <br>
and we do run into some troubles because we have <br>
to get used to new ways of doing things in <br>
EP2.0.10. So I do not have a lot of development <br>
experience with it yet, my experience so far is <br>
mostly instructional and explorational. Based <br>
only on that, I like EP2.0.10 a lot, it <br>
introuduces a *lot* of good features, even some <br>
of the problems turn out to be features once they <br>
are properly understood (Generate PreRun is one <br>
of those, and I will mention another below).<br>
<br>
Now to address a couple points in particular.<br>
<br>
First, EP2 is not just "pretty much" a final <br>
release, it *is* officially a final release since EP2.0.10.242.<br>
<br>
And your commenting example... Yes, that <br>
trippped me up at first too, and it breaks one of <br>
the exercises in my video course, and I found it <br>
very annoying because I used /* */ a lot to <br>
comment things out & in. But try the <br>
following: Select some lines of code. Now press <br>
Ctrl+' (that's the Ctrl key along with the <br>
apostrophe key). See all those lines get <br>
commented with a "'" added to the start? Now for <br>
the fun part, with those lines still selected, <br>
press Ctrl+Shift+' -- see all those lines now <br>
become uncommented? Now press Ctrl+' twice -- <br>
see it add two "'" at the start of each <br>
line? Then press Ctrl+Shift+' once, then twice, <br>
to see it remove each leading "'" in <br>
turn. Pretty cool, huh? I sure thought so once <br>
I figured it out. So much easier than "/* <br>
*/"! Now I just use "''" (double "'") to mark <br>
provisional lines during development, I can <br>
easily search for "''" throughout the program <br>
later to fix up those lines before final release <br>
of a program. Etc. So this is one of those <br>
"problems" that is really a feature.<br>
<br>
Once again, PST makes a pretty good product, but <br>
utterly fails to explain it well enough to <br>
customers. Just business as usual for them, but <br>
opening opportunities for people like me.<br>
<br>
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David McFarlane<br>
E-Prime training <br>
online: <a title="http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx" href="http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx" target="_parent">http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx</a><br>
Twitter: @EPrimeMaster (https://twitter.com/EPrimeMaster )<br>
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At 10/10/2013 09:20 AM Thursday, Cognitology wrote:<br>
>Given that E-Prime 2 is now pretty much a final <br>
>release, I was wondering how many of you feel it <br>
>remains *particularly* instable? I mean, <br>
>E-Studio (2, pro), latest version, and I don’t <br>
>stupid crashes (say, recursively calling the <br>
>sessionproc from a list within sessionproc). Just things like<br>
>· Writing inline:<br>
>Try typing:<br>
>/*<br>
>Hoppa<br>
>*/.<br>
><br>
>Works! Automatically becomes<br>
>‘/*<br>
>‘Hoppa<br>
>‘*/.<br>
><br>
>Now commented out. However, type in an inline (not the user part)<br>
>‘/*<br>
>Hoppa<br>
>*/....CRASH!<br>
><br>
>· Just dragging objects around, adding <br>
>attributes, all sorts of randomness. Sometimes, <br>
>there are nice big red crosses where graphics usually are.<br>
><br>
>The latter is the more annoying part. In <br>
>general, when I’m developing something, on both <br>
>my laptop and home pc (both win7prox64), this <br>
>happens. In my experience, in fact, most people, <br>
>even if they are very experienced, have random <br>
>stability issues with e-studio. My question then <br>
>is: does the list have similar issues? Say, if <br>
>you’ve been doing some development, what is the <br>
>chance that e-prime will crash within 60 <br>
>minutes? I’m estimating it at 80% here.<br>
><br>
>Cheers,<br>
>Michiel<br>
><br>
>Michiel Sovijärvi-Spapé<br>
>Helsinki Institute for Information Technology<br>
>Aalto & Helsingin Yliopisto,<br>
>Finland<br>
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